After Wlad ko's Haye in the 12th, where will he stand on the All Time Greats list?

[killersheep]

Wlad is one of the most boring Heavyweights of all time. His record sucks and he has been battered by 3 nobodies!

Name two heavyweights that are still active TODAY with better records.

[BIG H]

Wlad is one of the most boring Heavyweights of all time. His record sucks and he has been battered by 3 nobodies!

Name two heavyweights that are still active TODAY with better records.

What's that got do with anything. The thread is about whether he is an ATG and as explained in the post directly above, in that context his record sucks balls!

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Based on his short domination and unification attempts, I used to have Mike Tyson clinging on to the No.10 spot on my little top 10 list.
However, I always said that if Wladimir Klitschko unified the division, I'd happily regard him as the 10th best Heavyweight ever.

There really is no point picking holes in his opposition. For me it's about being a dominant champion, regardless of the era you fight in.
Besides, how often do you see a heavyweight fighting other 'great' heavyweights (that aren't washed up or out of their better suited weight class)?

Not often. Infact, hardly ever

Those that do, or have, i think you'll find are quite high up on your respective Top.10's... So there's definitely space for Wladdy somewhere

[BIG H]

Based on his short domination and unification attempts, I used to have Mike Tyson clinging on to the No.10 spot on my little top 10 list.
However, I always said that if Wladimir Klitschko unified the division, I'd happily regard him as the 10th best Heavyweight ever.

There really is no point picking holes in his opposition. For me it's about being a dominant champion, regardless of the era you fight in.
Besides, how often do you see a heavyweight fighting other 'great' heavyweights (that aren't washed up or out of their better suited weight class)?

Not often. Infact, hardly ever

Those that do, or have, i think you'll find are quite high up on your respective Top.10's... So there's definitely space for Wladdy somewhere

Even after getting KTFO in his Pomp, 3 no marks?

Which other top 10 ATG would have lost in or around their prime, to opposition as poor as Wlad has!

[generalbulldog]

Based on his short domination and unification attempts, I used to have Mike Tyson clinging on to the No.10 spot on my little top 10 list.
However, I always said that if Wladimir Klitschko unified the division, I'd happily regard him as the 10th best Heavyweight ever.

There really is no point picking holes in his opposition. For me it's about being a dominant champion, regardless of the era you fight in.
Besides, how often do you see a heavyweight fighting other 'great' heavyweights (that aren't washed up or out of their better suited weight class)?

Not often. Infact, hardly ever

Those that do, or have, i think you'll find are quite high up on your respective Top.10's... So there's definitely space for Wladdy somewhere

Even after getting KTFO in his Pomp, 3 no marks?

Which other top 10 ATG would have lost in or around their prime, to opposition as poor as Wlad has!

That was then, this is now. Wlad has dominated his opposition for years now. And I agree with JimBoogie that dominance is mainly factored into who is an ATG in boxing, of course it would help if they have great opposition. One can't help if they fought in a weak era, but what they can do is dominate it.

Even though he is not an HW, going by your logic one can say Pacquiao is not an ATG (like him or hate him, the general consensus he is one) because he got ko by nobodies in his prime.

[BIG H]

Based on his short domination and unification attempts, I used to have Mike Tyson clinging on to the No.10 spot on my little top 10 list.
However, I always said that if Wladimir Klitschko unified the division, I'd happily regard him as the 10th best Heavyweight ever.

There really is no point picking holes in his opposition. For me it's about being a dominant champion, regardless of the era you fight in.
Besides, how often do you see a heavyweight fighting other 'great' heavyweights (that aren't washed up or out of their better suited weight class)?

Not often. Infact, hardly ever

Those that do, or have, i think you'll find are quite high up on your respective Top.10's... So there's definitely space for Wladdy somewhere

Even after getting KTFO in his Pomp, 3 no marks?

Which other top 10 ATG would have lost in or around their prime, to opposition as poor as Wlad has!

That was then, this is now. Wlad has dominated his opposition for years now. And I agree with JimBoogie that dominance is mainly factored into who is an ATG in boxing, of course it would help if they have great opposition. One can't help if they fought in a weak era, but what they can do is dominate it.

Even though he is not an HW, going by your logic one can say Pacquiao is not an ATG (like him or hate him, the general consensus he is one) because he got ko by nobodies in his prime.

You're right that it's not his fault it is a weak era, but it IS his fault that he lost (badly) 3 of those fights. Marciano is difficult to rate becuase his era was weak, but at least he baet the weaklings as wasn't brutalised!

When did Pac get Koed in his prime? Pac was Koed 11 years ago after just 20 fights and at least 30 pounds below his prime weight. Wlad was Koed in 2003 and 2004 after already being World Champion for 4 years and after 40 fights (in his prime!)

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Based on his short domination and unification attempts, I used to have Mike Tyson clinging on to the No.10 spot on my little top 10 list.
However, I always said that if Wladimir Klitschko unified the division, I'd happily regard him as the 10th best Heavyweight ever.

There really is no point picking holes in his opposition. For me it's about being a dominant champion, regardless of the era you fight in.
Besides, how often do you see a heavyweight fighting other 'great' heavyweights (that aren't washed up or out of their better suited weight class)?

Not often. Infact, hardly ever

Those that do, or have, i think you'll find are quite high up on your respective Top.10's... So there's definitely space for Wladdy somewhere

Even after getting KTFO in his Pomp, 3 no marks?

Which other top 10 ATG would have lost in or around their prime, to opposition as poor as Wlad has!

Joe Louis

Okay, it's not quite as bad but he did:
* Get KTFO one year before becoming Champion of the world.
* Go on to be the Boxing's most dominant Champion.
* Fight a long list of weak opposition

[ono]

Wlad is one of the most boring Heavyweights of all time. His record sucks and he has been battered by 3 nobodies!

Name two heavyweights that are still active TODAY with better records.

To be fair he was responding to the OP's claim of both Klitschko's being ATGs, so i think BIG H's comment is in relation to the resumes of other Heavyweight ATGs.