Pavlik - Martinez/Bute - Miranda fight talk

[DaxxKahn]

I thought it was a bit of an early stoppage in the Miranda vs. Bute fight.

Reminded me of Oliver McCall vs. Lennox Lewis I.

Nothing early about that one....If you looked at Mirandas face when he stood up you could see he was done....Bute would have came in and put the exclamation on it is all...Bute is good when he has his man in trouble...

[DaxxKahn]

great win for bute. all of sudden he is packing some power. along with his boxing skills this guy is very dangerous. right now I would take him against any of the super six.

martinez was nothing short of spectacular. he is a top 5 p4p. he fights the best fighters and is simply amazing! I thought pavlik had turned it around and was on his way to a tko or ko, but that left in the 9th obviously changed everything. I'm sure kelly will be back. I mean without the cut over the right eye he most likely wins..can't wait for II

Martinez is not top 5 P4P.....

Bute has 21 KO's out of 26 fights...The power is not a new novelty......

Martinez fights too reckless...The kid has shit on his resume but Cintron and Williams....He has little power and very poor defense....

Martinez fights another fighter with similar speed he is a memory..

Foreman at 154 beats him to a UD IMO....Cotto beats him up and takes his Body away....(Pacquiao's speed bothered Cotto...Martinez is no Pacquiao in speed terms)...

Pacquiao, Mayweather, JMM, Dawson, Mosley, Bradley, Bute, Ward, Alexander, Darchinyan......to name a few...

Who is this kid better then P4P?.....I pick Manny and Shane to both beat him up at 154.....If Ward made 160 for 1 fight this guy would be on his back before the 3rd......

This guy is not top 5 P4P...

[Eloking]

I thought it was a bit of an early stoppage in the Miranda vs. Bute fight.

Reminded me of Oliver McCall vs. Lennox Lewis I.

If the guy doesn't object the decision, then it's a good call.

[HattonTheHammer]

FINALLY sergio gets a decision in the states

Even though he battered pavlik i seriously pondered whether martinez would actually get the decision

Pavlik is the most fabricated world champ of all time. Ive said from day one a top quality fighter will always get the better of kelly and i was right all along.

martinez is the bees knees, seriously hoping to see him in with williams again down the line

[Rantcatrat]

Congrats to the new champ!

I may be in the minority(which is fine) but I thought in the rounds prior to the cut Pavlik was starting to figure him out. He was starting to make Sergio miss wildly and frequently out jabbing him. I thought Pavlik was on his way to eeking out a close points win...maybe a disputed decision to some. Once he got cut, he just broke down like Juan Diaz.

Speaking of Diaz's. Where the hell was Pavlik's cutman Miguel Diaz?


What the hell was Miranda thinking Before the knockout, I thought he looked helluva lot better technically than he has in the past. In retrospect his handlers should have probably waited for another shot at Stieglitz.

Totally agree. Once he was cut, he didn't really continue. He said as much in the post fight presser. He said that he couldn't see out of his right side. In my opinion, Pavlik needs a new trainer.

How tremendous did Bute look? Geez. That upper cut was vicious.

[The Fightfan]

Congrats to the new champ!

I may be in the minority(which is fine) but I thought in the rounds prior to the cut Pavlik was starting to figure him out. He was starting to make Sergio miss wildly and frequently out jabbing him. I thought Pavlik was on his way to eeking out a close points win...maybe a disputed decision to some. Once he got cut, he just broke down like Juan Diaz.

Speaking of Diaz's. Where the hell was Pavlik's cutman Miguel Diaz?


What the hell was Miranda thinking Before the knockout, I thought he looked helluva lot better technically than he has in the past. In retrospect his handlers should have probably waited for another shot at Stieglitz.

Totally agree. Once he was cut, he didn't really continue. He said as much in the post fight presser. He said that he couldn't see out of his right side. In my opinion, Pavlik needs a new trainer.

How tremendous did Bute look? Geez. That upper cut was vicious.

In total agreement with Rantacrat. I was there for the fight in A.C. and it seemed that Kelly was taking the fight over until the ninth round and the cut happened. Later I watched it on T.V. and you can hear him say as soon as the round was over"I can't see shit" and Loew spews out "don't f**king say that" yes I agree 110% with the new trainer theory. Jack Loew is a horrible trainer and didn't even know what to tell his man except"you have to pressure this kid". For christ's sake the cutman should be shot. An absolute disgrace that he couldn't get the cut to stop bleeding even just a little bit. I would be asking Emanuel Steward and someone like Joe Souza in the corner if I were Pavlik.

I don't believe however that Pavlik is done or is a fabricated champ as someone had mentioned. I just think he doesn't belong in the 160 lbs class anymore. I mean he completely dehydrated himself to make 160 and comes in at 178 a day later. That is way too much weight to quickly. I mean shit think about it 18lbs in 24 hours That's f**king insane.He belong's in the super middleweight's but Pavlik will probably get the rematch at 160 and I still think he can beat Martinez late in that fight.

Bute I really don't even need to comment on. Right now the man is clearly the best super middleweight and I don't think anyone in the super six can beat him.

[DaxxKahn]

FINALLY sergio gets a decision in the states

Even though he battered pavlik i seriously pondered whether martinez would actually get the decision

Pavlik is the most fabricated world champ of all time. Ive said from day one a top quality fighter will always get the better of kelly and i was right all along.

martinez is the bees knees, seriously hoping to see him in with williams again down the line

Bees..Knees...

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