question about martinez

[killersheep]

TBH I am not sure...I mean shit how can you not give a guy his deserved credit for winning the MW championship at a weight class not truly his but on the other hand....you have to think

What IF the cut did not happen?
What IF Pavlik had not been so inactive and fighting only his mandatories over the last year?
Was this the BEST version of Kelly?

I am tough on fighters when it comes to big wins who don't have a really impressive past resume.....I give them more credit for the big win after I see what they do next....If they rematch and Martinez wins again then no way not to say...Kelly had an off night and Martinez had a great one....

The middle rounds Martinez seemed to be baffled after Pavlik seemed to figure him out....Martinez had no plan B (Neither did Pavlik but)

Great win for Martinez but is he really nothing more then just speedy?

For being as fast as he is at 35, I have to give him a lot of credit he came in the smaller man against a very very strong Middleweight ( who also happened to be the champ ) Martinez has a pretty good record IMO, he straight up got robbed twice against Cintron, and did very very well against Williams. I mean I don't know who else at 160 or 154 he would have to fight?

If Pavlik chooses not to take the rematch clause who would he have to beat at 160 or 154 to prove his ability and improve his resume?

I personally don';t know why he would want to stay at MW just for that reason...154 is starting to pick up again...that is where the money is!!!....Like you said he is 35...not many years left this is the time to cash in while your name is hot....

I give him credit for being the smaller man (Maybe I said it in another thread) and like I said he came in from another weight class and beat the champion...Not a title holder but Champion....have to give credit for that but I am just not sold on him yet as a superstar....I mean someone posted on another thread or maybe this one that he is top 5 P4P?.....This win does not put him in the top 5

Yeah I hear ya, it's pretty common for people to blow up fighters after a big win. The only guy in his weightclass range (I'm assuming 154-160) that I think really trumps him style vs. style is Foreman and that's because of his own speed and movement. Something that's really telling though are the faces of Martinez's last opponents. People keep saying he's hittable, he gets hit WAY too much and all that, but he's not marking maybe he has that Andrade gene?

Pavlik - 3 cuts caused by punches (Martinez mouse under one eye)

Williams - 2 cuts caused by punches (Martinez unmarked)

Cintron - Small cut, and swollen eye from punches (Martinez unmarked)

Bunema - both eyes almost swollen shut (Martinez unmarked)