question about martinez

[killersheep]

TBH I am not sure...I mean shit how can you not give a guy his deserved credit for winning the MW championship at a weight class not truly his but on the other hand....you have to think

What IF the cut did not happen?
What IF Pavlik had not been so inactive and fighting only his mandatories over the last year?
Was this the BEST version of Kelly?

I am tough on fighters when it comes to big wins who don't have a really impressive past resume.....I give them more credit for the big win after I see what they do next....If they rematch and Martinez wins again then no way not to say...Kelly had an off night and Martinez had a great one....

The middle rounds Martinez seemed to be baffled after Pavlik seemed to figure him out....Martinez had no plan B (Neither did Pavlik but)

Great win for Martinez but is he really nothing more then just speedy?

But add in his fights with Cintron & Williams & its an impressive run of fights!!!

Agreed...I am just not sold on him as elite yet...I think he is a world class fighter who has the ability to upset anyone near his division but I won't say he is P4P or is he the best fighter even at 154

Who do you have ahead of him at 154? Light middle is really weak right now, there's some upcoming young guns, but the old guard has been really inactive.

[DaxxKahn]

But add in his fights with Cintron & Williams & its an impressive run of fights!!!

Agreed...I am just not sold on him as elite yet...I think he is a world class fighter who has the ability to upset anyone near his division but I won't say he is P4P or is he the best fighter even at 154

Who do you have ahead of him at 154? Light middle is really weak right now, there's some upcoming young guns, but the old guard has been really inactive.

Cotto I put ahead of him....I mentioned somewhere on the forum that IMO Cotto has the perfect style to KO Martinez...Sergio moves a lot and depends on it to keep his opp off....Cotto knows how to cut the ring off...He has big body shots.....He will slow Martinez down....Martinez not a guy who can fight off ropes or is he comfortable in close.....Cotto once slowing him down would either force him to stand and fight or shell up on the ropes....Similar to the Malignaggi bout where he chases and beats him up but I don't think Martinez is a durable as Paulie was back then..

We already spoke of Foreman who IMO beats him just as fast and younger...Martinez I noticed in the Pavlik fight can not keep the gas on all 12 rds....He also does not have a really high output in punches..

Depending on what Version of Spinks shows up is another close one....He has a rematch with Williams due...Though they might just do that at MW.....If Williams rematch W Quintana showed us anything that is Williams comes more prepared for rematches....

Those are 4 good fights for him...I favor him only over Spinks but still good fight......People rather see him fight Cotto, Foreman, Williams as far as earning potential then just abt any MW..

Plus a few WW guys will be coming up in the next year....

Like I stated he is 35 and time for paychecks are running down....

[killersheep]

Agreed...I am just not sold on him as elite yet...I think he is a world class fighter who has the ability to upset anyone near his division but I won't say he is P4P or is he the best fighter even at 154

Who do you have ahead of him at 154? Light middle is really weak right now, there's some upcoming young guns, but the old guard has been really inactive.

Cotto I put ahead of him....I mentioned somewhere on the forum that IMO Cotto has the perfect style to KO Martinez...Sergio moves a lot and depends on it to keep his opp off....Cotto knows how to cut the ring off...He has big body shots.....He will slow Martinez down....Martinez not a guy who can fight off ropes or is he comfortable in close.....Cotto once slowing him down would either force him to stand and fight or shell up on the ropes....Similar to the Malignaggi bout where he chases and beats him up but I don't think Martinez is a durable as Paulie was back then..

We already spoke of Foreman who IMO beats him just as fast and younger...Martinez I noticed in the Pavlik fight can not keep the gas on all 12 rds....He also does not have a really high output in punches..

Depending on what Version of Spinks shows up is another close one....He has a rematch with Williams due...Though they might just do that at MW.....If Williams rematch W Quintana showed us anything that is Williams comes more prepared for rematches....

Those are 4 good fights for him...I favor him only over Spinks but still good fight......People rather see him fight Cotto, Foreman, Williams as far as earning potential then just abt any MW..

Plus a few WW guys will be coming up in the next year....

Like I stated he is 35 and time for paychecks are running down....

Fair enough, I think this kind of gets to heart of how we look at him.
I think Cotto is not what he used to be and whether or not his power carries up to 154 is completely unproven, not to mention his reach deficit increases considerably. Spinks is an old man himself, I don't think he really can get a crowd behind him even in his last fight against Latimore his home crowd was decidedly behind Latimore. The two fights at 154 that interest me the most are a Williams rematch and Foreman.

[J_Undisputed]

I think Martinez has had an impressive run. Theres a few question marks surround this fight. The fact That Martinez is should be at 154. Didnt he come in closer to his natural weight against Williams.? He seemed more sure of himself and also seemed more willing to engage Williams in the trenches. Can't say I blame him for staying out of range against a Pavlik who, rehydrated past the light heavyweight limit.
I find myself wanting to take points off for the showboating, but considering its half his game in creating his opportunities to use his speed. Its really hard to dislike this guy, except for the girly pouty face he was making in the post fight interview when he saw the mouse under his eye on camera. WTF was that about? lol