So have we just lost potentially one of the best fighters ever..?

[Violent Demise]

No let's not overrate this bum, he fought with his chin in the air and was a knockout waiting to happen.

Why couldn't Valero killed your stupid ass instead. It's annoying reading posts from dumb fukks like you who can't separate the mans personal life from his ring life. Ok he butchered his wife for no reason. Get the fukk over it. That don't make him a bum as a boxer. The man was an outstanding talent. Any knowledgeable fan (ok maybe that don't include you) can see that. At 140 against a steroid free Pacquiao, yeah I would favor Valero to win in a great fire fight

[piye]

No let's not overrate this bum, he fought with his chin in the air and was a knockout waiting to happen.

Why couldn't Valero killed your stupid ass instead. It's annoying reading posts from dumb fukks like you who can't separate the mans personal life from his ring life. Ok he butchered his wife for no reason. Get the fukk over it. That don't make him a bum as a boxer. The man was an outstanding talent. Any knowledgeable fan (ok maybe that don't include you) can see that. At 140 against a steroid free Pacquiao, yeah I would favor Valero to win in a great fire fight

Ahh hahah, have you caught feelings you lil bi tch? lol wow, I wont waste anymore time on you how do i put this fa g on ignore? as for Valero he really never beat anyone of note and so gets no credit from me. He also demonstrated he was a coward in real life so I imagine when faced with adversity in the ring he would have done the same thing as he did in life and quit.

[Violent Demise]

No let's not overrate this bum, he fought with his chin in the air and was a knockout waiting to happen.

Why couldn't Valero killed your stupid ass instead. It's annoying reading posts from dumb fukks like you who can't separate the mans personal life from his ring life. Ok he butchered his wife for no reason. Get the fukk over it. That don't make him a bum as a boxer. The man was an outstanding talent. Any knowledgeable fan (ok maybe that don't include you) can see that. At 140 against a steroid free Pacquiao, yeah I would favor Valero to win in a great fire fight

Ahh hahah, have you caught feelings you lil bitch? lol wow, I wont waste anymore time on you how do i put this fag on ignore? as for Valero he really never beat anyone of note and so gets no credit from me. He also demonstrated he was a coward in real life so I imagine when faced with adversity in the ring he would have done the same thing as he did in life and quit.

Only a clueless idiot would not consider going into hostile Panama and taking the title from the vastly underrated Vincent Mosquera not to be an impressive feat.

I await the who's Vincent Mosquera reply next

[ICB]

No let's not overrate this bum, he fought with his chin in the air and was a knockout waiting to happen.

Why couldn't Valero killed your stupid ass instead. It's annoying reading posts from dumb fukks like you who can't separate the mans personal life from his ring life. Ok he butchered his wife for no reason. Get the fukk over it. That don't make him a bum as a boxer. The man was an outstanding talent. Any knowledgeable fan (ok maybe that don't include you) can see that. At 140 against a steroid free Pacquiao, yeah I would favor Valero to win in a great fire fight

Ahh hahah, have you caught feelings you lil bitch? lol wow, I wont waste anymore time on you how do i put this fag on ignore? as for Valero he really never beat anyone of note and so gets no credit from me. He also demonstrated he was a coward in real life so I imagine when faced with adversity in the ring he would have done the same thing as he did in life and quit.

Edwin Valero did show adversity in the ring twice, when he was badly cut by an elbow vs Antonio DeMarco. And he kept on fighting like nothing happened.

And against Vicente Mosquera who was a good fighter. Where Edwin Valero was knocked down, but he got up and won a real battle.

As i said just because of what he done outside the ring, doesn't effect him for what he done inside the ring.

I mean hell Carlos Monzon murdered his wife, and was a wife beater. No real different to Edwin Valero, but people still see him as one of top 3 Middleweights of all time.

[piye]

Why couldn't Valero killed your stupid ass instead. It's annoying reading posts from dumb fukks like you who can't separate the mans personal life from his ring life. Ok he butchered his wife for no reason. Get the fukk over it. That don't make him a bum as a boxer. The man was an outstanding talent. Any knowledgeable fan (ok maybe that don't include you) can see that. At 140 against a steroid free Pacquiao, yeah I would favor Valero to win in a great fire fight

Ahh hahah, have you caught feelings you lil bitch? lol wow, I wont waste anymore time on you how do i put this fag on ignore? as for Valero he really never beat anyone of note and so gets no credit from me. He also demonstrated he was a coward in real life so I imagine when faced with adversity in the ring he would have done the same thing as he did in life and quit.

Only a clueless idiot would not consider going into hostile Panama and taking the title from the vastly underrated Vincent Mosquera not to be an impressive feat.

I await the who's Vincent Mosquera reply next

Mate your 30 years old, are you really that much of a tw@t? are you really trying to prove you know more than me about boxing? why? for the benefit of who? does it make you feel better to have that over someone?

Mate don't you have kids you should be looking after or something? Just fuc k off and do that then.

[piye]

Why couldn't Valero killed your stupid ass instead. It's annoying reading posts from dumb fukks like you who can't separate the mans personal life from his ring life. Ok he butchered his wife for no reason. Get the fukk over it. That don't make him a bum as a boxer. The man was an outstanding talent. Any knowledgeable fan (ok maybe that don't include you) can see that. At 140 against a steroid free Pacquiao, yeah I would favor Valero to win in a great fire fight

Ahh hahah, have you caught feelings you lil bitch? lol wow, I wont waste anymore time on you how do i put this fag on ignore? as for Valero he really never beat anyone of note and so gets no credit from me. He also demonstrated he was a coward in real life so I imagine when faced with adversity in the ring he would have done the same thing as he did in life and quit.

Edwin Valero did show adversity in the ring twice, when he was badly cut by an elbow vs Antonio DeMarco. And he kept on fighting like nothing happened.

And against Vicente Mosquera who was a good fighter. Where Edwin Valero was knocked down, but got up and won a real battle.

As i said just because of what he done outside the ring, doesn't effect him for what he done inside the ring.

I mean hell Carlos Monzon murdered his wife, and was a wife beater. No real different to Edwin Valero, but people still see him as one of top 3 Middleweights of all time.

Ok I can respect you opinion but were the opponents he proved this ability to fight through adversity worthy of elite status? no! I think the fact that he has never fought an elite opponent means he should get no theoretical credit, and now that he is dead he will continue to get overrated.

[CFH]

No ones knows how good he would have ended up being. Did he have power and a lot of potential? Absolutely, and he was on his way towards realizing a lot of that potential. However, boxing has been filled with fighter who have been unable to succeed despite an abundance of physical skills.

[Violent Demise]

Ahh hahah, have you caught feelings you lil bitch? lol wow, I wont waste anymore time on you how do i put this fag on ignore? as for Valero he really never beat anyone of note and so gets no credit from me. He also demonstrated he was a coward in real life so I imagine when faced with adversity in the ring he would have done the same thing as he did in life and quit.

Only a clueless idiot would not consider going into hostile Panama and taking the title from the vastly underrated Vincent Mosquera not to be an impressive feat.

I await the who's Vincent Mosquera reply next

Mate your 30 years old, are you really that much of a tw@t? are you really trying to prove you know more than me about boxing? why? for the benefit of who? does it make you feel better to have that over someone?

Mate don't you have kids you should be looking after or something? Just fuc k off and do that then.

The boys are in school. I got about another an hour to continue to expose your stupidity.

And what happen to your faggot ass putting me on ignore?

[piye]

Only a clueless idiot would not consider going into hostile Panama and taking the title from the vastly underrated Vincent Mosquera not to be an impressive feat.

I await the who's Vincent Mosquera reply next

Mate your 30 years old, are you really that much of a tw@t? are you really trying to prove you know more than me about boxing? why? for the benefit of who? does it make you feel better to have that over someone?

Mate don't you have kids you should be looking after or something? Just fuc k off and do that then.

The boys are in school. I got about another an hour to continue to expose your stupidity.

And what happen to your f@ggot ass putting me on ignore?

An hour to expose my stupidity to who? I could give a Fvck about you opinion so how could you possibly expose me? your a 30 year old under achieving bum who thinks it's funny to mock dead mothers and now has his knickers in a bunch cause I addressed you like the coward you are.

Do you think it's ok to hit women?

[Violent Demise]

Mate your 30 years old, are you really that much of a tw@t? are you really trying to prove you know more than me about boxing? why? for the benefit of who? does it make you feel better to have that over someone?

Mate don't you have kids you should be looking after or something? Just fuc k off and do that then.

The boys are in school. I got about another an hour to continue to expose your stupidity.

And what happen to your f@ggot ass putting me on ignore?

An hour to expose my stupidity to who? I could give a Fvck about you opinion so how could you possibly expose me? your a 30 year old under achieving bum who thinks it's funny to mock dead mothers and now has his knickers in a bunch cause I addressed you like the coward you are.

Do you think it's ok to hit women?

Was it your sister Valero killed that you have that much hate for him? Or are you really that stupid that you can't separate the mans personal life from his ring life? The thread title had nothing to do with his personal life. It was simply asking about his chances against Manny Pac. Yet here comes piye, the dumb fukk who's still trying to save Boxing on Setanta saying fukk him. He's a bum cuz he killed his wife. You see the problem? Comment on the muthafukkin topic with related boxing thoughts without bring in the man personal life. Is that possible for you to do? Or is that asking to much

[boozeboxer]

Man this has taken me by complete surprise. What a shame.

[Saddo]

take your crap to the hidden board guys.

as for the video the main thing that stuck out to me was the poor kid he had on his shoulder towards the end of the video.

i'm guessing she was his child... pretty sad stuff she must have gone through and a massive difference to the proud child shown in that clip.

[smashup]

take your crap to the hidden board guys.

as for the video the main thing that stuck out to me was the poor kid he had on his shoulder towards the end of the video.

i'm guessing she was his child... pretty sad stuff she must have gone through and a massive difference to the proud child shown in that clip.

Cute as that kid

Terrible thing that will affect various people for a long long time.

I like that killer straight left to the middle of the body followed by a thumping right hook.

Fierce natural power

[markb018]

I think edwin could have possibly edged Pac. Valero just looked like a man possessed when he was firing shots away. I think Pac lacks that even though he throws like a mad man as well. Valero just looked crazy and that nothing would stop him, only death in that ring and think that is what would have propelled Valero

As another poster already mentioned or questioned, I think the drugs and alcohol definitely contributed to his performance in the ring. Once people start getting level headed, more money etc. they start losing that edge.

[smashup]

I think edwin could have possibly edged Pac. Valero just looked like a man possessed when he was firing shots away. I think Pac lacks that even though he throws like a mad man as well. Valero just looked crazy and that nothing would stop him, only death in that ring and think that is what would have propelled Valero

As another poster already mentioned or questioned, I think the drugs and alcohol definitely contributed to his performance in the ring. Once people start getting level headed, more money etc. they start losing that edge.

Good point fella...just watching those highlights you can tell he was a wildman the sort who wouldn't give a f8ck if he died in their.

Thats one dangerous fucker to be fighting against.

trust me...i know the sort