So have we just lost potentially one of the best fighters ever..?

[markb018]

I think edwin could have possibly edged Pac. Valero just looked like a man possessed when he was firing shots away. I think Pac lacks that even though he throws like a mad man as well. Valero just looked crazy and that nothing would stop him, only death in that ring and think that is what would have propelled Valero

As another poster already mentioned or questioned, I think the drugs and alcohol definitely contributed to his performance in the ring. Once people start getting level headed, more money etc. they start losing that edge.

[smashup]

I think edwin could have possibly edged Pac. Valero just looked like a man possessed when he was firing shots away. I think Pac lacks that even though he throws like a mad man as well. Valero just looked crazy and that nothing would stop him, only death in that ring and think that is what would have propelled Valero

As another poster already mentioned or questioned, I think the drugs and alcohol definitely contributed to his performance in the ring. Once people start getting level headed, more money etc. they start losing that edge.

Good point fella...just watching those highlights you can tell he was a wildman the sort who wouldn't give a f8ck if he died in their.

Thats one dangerous fucker to be fighting against.

trust me...i know the sort

[generalbulldog]

Valero had great talent and potential, but he hasn't fought elite A-Level opposition yet, so I'm not going to speculate that he beats an ATG fighter like Pacquiao that is still in his prime.

Plus he was entering the 140 pound class, I don't even know if he would have beaten Bradley or Alexander much less the top 147 pound ones.

[Spicoli]

Valero had great talent and potential, but he hasn't fought elite A-Level opposition yet, so I'm not going to speculate that he beats an ATG fighter like Pacquiao that is still in his prime.

Plus he was entering the 140 pound class, I don't even know if he would have beaten Bradley or Alexander much less the top 147 pound ones.

Agreed.Think alot of the mystery and uncertainty will trump him up.Will go down as a we'll never know.Alot can be made of numbers but I think Ko's are over rated to a degree.Even if he was around long term the travel,medical restrictions would and did impede his true exposure and possibility.Impressed against a still improving Demarco,just destroyed him but thats a long way from the very best.