Hasegawa vs Montiel on 4/30, who you got?

[Kev]

And yet these 7 stone weaklings can probably whip your ass in the boxing ring and in a street fight.

Mate most of the American Under 10's national girls baton twirling team could probably beat me in a fight but it doesn't qualify them for p4p status.

It just annoys me these guys fight in a weight class in which only about 200 people compete worldwide and they rise to the top of this tiny pile and are considered to be the equals of true stars like Mosely, Hopkins and Cotto.

Wisla Krakow are the most successful current football club in Poland with back to back league championship wins in 08 and 09 bu it doesn't rank them alongside the likes of Manchester United and Barcelona because they play in a shitty league.

Yet in boxing it seems I am the only person capable of realising this important distinction.

When Montiel or Donaire inevitably lose their world titles to either a figher with half as many losses as wins or else less than double figure fights no one will consider it was becuase they just weren't that good. Instead they will just hail this new 'crab fisherman cum fighter' as the next great star to put down his rod, scythe or plough and prove himself amongst the world's boxing elite...

I think you're exaggerating greatly when you say that guys like Donaire and Montiel are consider to be stars of the same caliber of Cotto, Hopkins, Mosley.

So were Barrera, Morales, Salvador Sanchez, Manny Pacquiao, Hamed, Willie Pep, Alexis Arguello, not consider to be true boxing stars that fought the majority of their careers in these lower weight classes?

I remember you said somewhere that guys under 10 stone or 140 pounds were not real fighters or boxers or something of that nature. Which I find ridiculous.

If you like the higher weight guys then say so, no need to talk bad about the lower weight guys because they are smaller men.

True boxing fans will still like to see a great fight at 118, 122, 126, or any weight class for that matter. Doesn't have a bearing on what weight class it is for someone like me.

Well according to Ring Magazine Donaire is better than Hopkins and Cotto.

I don't criticise guys like Barrera and Morales at all. They went through multiple weight classes and absolutely proved themselves to be elite.

But the 115 lb guys who never move beyond the weight class, or if they do lose to unknown paper champs like Joseph Agbeko are simply not nearly of the same calibre as even guys like Carl Froch and Kelly Pavlik.

There is no way any elite guy (top 3 or 4 in a weight class) would ever go life and death with a 14-3-1 club fighter like Donaire did. And these guys routinely lose their titles to part timers with records like 11-0.

I mean look at Mijares, this 'star' of boxing loses twice to a 16-0 part time fighter who himself has since lost to a little known belt holder.

It just couldn't happen in the higer weight classes because there is too much competition.

Boxing in the 115 lb weight division is like playing football in the Albanian Superliga, or the Blue Square Premier league (UK non league), being the best there doesn't mean you are actually any good in an absolute sense.

I'm not saying great fighters can't come out of these leagues, but if they do they prove their greatness by moving up and winning belts in multiple weight classes against professional opposition.

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Mate most of the American Under 10's national girls baton twirling team could probably beat me in a fight but it doesn't qualify them for p4p status.

It just annoys me these guys fight in a weight class in which only about 200 people compete worldwide and they rise to the top of this tiny pile and are considered to be the equals of true stars like Mosely, Hopkins and Cotto.

Wisla Krakow are the most successful current football club in Poland with back to back league championship wins in 08 and 09 bu it doesn't rank them alongside the likes of Manchester United and Barcelona because they play in a shitty league.

Yet in boxing it seems I am the only person capable of realising this important distinction.

When Montiel or Donaire inevitably lose their world titles to either a figher with half as many losses as wins or else less than double figure fights no one will consider it was becuase they just weren't that good. Instead they will just hail this new 'crab fisherman cum fighter' as the next great star to put down his rod, scythe or plough and prove himself amongst the world's boxing elite...

I think you're exaggerating greatly when you say that guys like Donaire and Montiel are consider to be stars of the same caliber of Cotto, Hopkins, Mosley.

So were Barrera, Morales, Salvador Sanchez, Manny Pacquiao, Hamed, Willie Pep, Alexis Arguello, not consider to be true boxing stars that fought the majority of their careers in these lower weight classes?

I remember you said somewhere that guys under 10 stone or 140 pounds were not real fighters or boxers or something of that nature. Which I find ridiculous.

If you like the higher weight guys then say so, no need to talk bad about the lower weight guys because they are smaller men.

True boxing fans will still like to see a great fight at 118, 122, 126, or any weight class for that matter. Doesn't have a bearing on what weight class it is for someone like me.

Well according to Ring Magazine Donaire is better than Hopkins and Cotto.

I don't criticise guys like Barrera and Morales at all. They went through multiple weight classes and absolutely proved themselves to be elite.

But the 115 lb guys who never move beyond the weight class, or if they do lose to unknown paper champs like Joseph Agbeko are simply not nearly of the same calibre as even guys like Carl Froch and Kelly Pavlik.

There is no way any elite guy (top 3 or 4 in a weight class) would ever go life and death with a 14-3-1 club fighter like Donaire did. And these guys routinely lose their titles to part timers with records like 11-0.

I mean look at Mijares, this 'star' of boxing loses twice to a 16-0 part time fighter who himself has since lost to a little known belt holder.

It just couldn't happen in the higer weight classes because there is too much competition.

Boxing in the 115 lb weight division is like playing football in the Albanian Superliga, or the Blue Square Premier league (UK non league), being the best there doesn't mean you are actually any good in an absolute sense.

I'm not saying great fighters can't come out of these leagues, but if they do they prove their greatness by moving up and winning belts in multiple weight classes against professional opposition.

You're just cherry picking certain fights to aid your argument.
We can play this game.

Wladimir Klitschko got KO by bums and he holds the grandest prize in all of boxing, the HW championship. There goes your theory!

How about a few more in the higher weight classes that you are so fond of?
David Haye who some people here are touting as the next great HW champ went life and death with Monte Barret and got ko by Carl Thompson. lol

How about Kostya Tszyu that got sparked out by Vince Phillips, not an elite fighter in my eyes at all?
ANd your favorite fighter Amir Khan who fights at the higher weight classes you love got sparked out in 56 secs against what looks to be a journeyman at 135. lol

Come on man.

And Ring magazine is subjective with it's p4p rankings, just like how different people have their own top 10 fighters.