Now some time has passed.. Your final vote on Pac's refusal...

[miron_lang]

Yup Miron you are totally right and I can't disagree. Although shane and floyd did 3 months more testing than pac's ever done....

So Floyd is offering a testing scheme that is just as Flawed if the participants are expert roider right?


So why did Floyd refuse? I hope you can come up with a logical explanation mate

[InTheNeutralCorner]

In the first Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiation, there was a disagreement with regards to the timing of the blood test. Although my belief is that Floyd did not want to fight Manny and that Manny just did not want to give in to Floyd's demand, I was disappointed with the shit excuses that they came up with. I had wished that Manny called in Mayweather's bluff.

Fast forward to the second negotiation. Pacquiao agreed to the drug test demand of Mayweather. But Floyd did not call Manny's bluff. Why is that? If, as one poster here said, that the gap between the two negotiations gave Manny time to clean his system, then shouldn't that be an easy fight for Mayweather? That would be a great opportunity for Floyd to prove his accusation. When he beats Manny to a pulp, this will be an excellent argument that Manny lost because he has no drugs in his system. But Floyd did not want to fight Manny or call his bluff (probably because he did not think Manny is bluffing). Floyd came up with a shit excuse that he is going on vacation! FLOYD WALKED AWAY FROM AN EASY FIGHT WITH MILLIONS AT STAKE TO GO ON VACATION!!!

So, my assumption is that Floyd really did not want to fight Manny and did not believe that Manny will be any different 'with or without the drugs in his system'. The accuser does not believe his own accusation.

If Manny gets his strenght from some drugs, then he must be crazy to fight Mayweather (a top caliber P4P boxer) without those drugs and be exposed.

My conclusion: Pacquiao is 'clean' until proven otherwise.

[mnmc10]

In the first Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiation, there was a disagreement with regards to the timing of the blood test. Although my belief is that Floyd did not want to fight Manny and that Manny just did not want to give in to Floyd's demand, I was disappointed with the shit excuses that they came up with. I had wished that Manny called in Mayweather's bluff.

Fast forward to the second negotiation. Pacquiao agreed to the drug test demand of Mayweather. But Floyd did not call Manny's bluff. Why is that? If, as one poster here said, that the gap between the two negotiations gave Manny time to clean his system, then shouldn't that be an easy fight for Mayweather? That would be a great opportunity for Floyd to prove his accusation. When he beats Manny to a pulp, this will be an excellent argument that Manny lost because he has no drugs in his system. But Floyd did not want to fight Manny or call his bluff (probably because he did not think Manny is bluffing). Floyd came up with a shit excuse that he is going on vacation! FLOYD WALKED AWAY FROM AN EASY FIGHT WITH MILLIONS AT STAKE TO GO ON VACATION!!!

So, my assumption is that Floyd really did not want to fight Manny and did not believe that Manny will be any different 'with or without the drugs in his system'. The accuser does not believe his own accusation.

If Manny gets his strenght from some drugs, then he must be crazy to fight Mayweather (a top caliber P4P boxer) without those drugs and be exposed.

My conclusion: Pacquiao is 'clean' until proven otherwise.

AMEN! this is exactly what im thinking.

[Hornfinger]

Yup Miron you are totally right and I can't disagree. Although shane and floyd did 3 months more testing than pac's ever done....

So Floyd is offering a testing scheme that is just as Flawed if the participants are expert roider right?


So why did Floyd refuse? I hope you can come up with a logical explanation mate

The actual testing scheme isn't flawed though, unlike a urine test which detects absolutely non of the modern days sports enhancers. Was the testing done as extensively as olympic? No. But to do that you'd actually need a time machine. As far as I know those things don't exist.

To reieterate in a nutshell, you are saying the test duration is flawed (not the actual taking and testing of blood and urine). If that is the case then you should have major major problems with pac requesting 14 day cut offs and the like.

For three months during the training camp it wasn't flawed and both athletes were clean in the run up to the fight and clean when they got in the ring. Both had no steroids or enhancers in their respective systems.

The 'scheme' floyd offered although not totally perfect in it's duration was enough to scare the shit out of the pac team. If floyd's scheme was so flawed surely pac's team wouldn't have been so fazed by it.


What exactly did floyd refuse? If you are refering to the actual fight. I'll answer with another question. Would manny go into a fight without freddie roach in his corner? Uncle roger was looking at jail time around the proposed date of the fight/training camp. Floyd would have had too many distractions.

And finally. USADA take their job very very seriously. If they had thought that the proposed testing wasn't strict enough/didn't meat their criteria they wouldn't have agreed to do it. What with the international interest and the coverage of the 24/7 programme, if their testing had been 'flawed' it would have been exposed for the whole world to see.

hope that helps.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Is there somewhere I can find a universally credible account of the facts?
Preferably in the format of a timeline?

[generalbulldog]

A-side meth that is the name of the drug Pac is on and the one that the Mayweathers are certain he is on. The drug makes you invincible to .38 and .45 caliber bullets on the battlefield of war and invincible to punches in the boxing ring. One can keep on coming forward without being stopped This drug was invented by the Flip military to battle the US armed forces. It makes you 3 times stronger that what you are.

Mayweather Sr. Uncensored: Fires Hot Bullets at Pacquiao - Boxing News

That mothefucker is on the A-side meth, that's what the fuck he's on," "It's called the A-side meth. He on that or he on something else. The A-side meth is what they used to have 500 years ago. Remember when the Philippines were fighting the US soldiers? They were shooting them motherfuckers with 45s. And 45s were bouncing off their motherfuckinng ass. They weren't even dying!"

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

You are relentless with this A-side meth talk man!

[generalbulldog]

You are relentless with this A-side meth talk man!

I think Amir is also using it, I mean he took flush shots from Paulie without being wobbled!

Pac must have hooked him up with some of that special Flip drug, Amir's chin has improved to the point where it's considered to be granite now!

[erics44]

You are relentless with this A-side meth talk man!

I think Amir is also using it, I mean he took flush shots from Paulie without being wobbled!

Pac must have hooked him up with some of that special Flip drug, Amir's chin has improved to the point where it's considered to be granite now!

where do i get some from?

will it make my willy bigger?

[:::PSL:::]

A-side meth that is the name of the drug Pac is on and the one that the Mayweathers are certain he is on. The drug makes you invincible to .38 and .45 caliber bullets on the battlefield of war and invincible to punches in the boxing ring. One can keep on coming forward without being stopped This drug was invented by the Flip military to battle the US armed forces. It makes you 3 times stronger that what you are.

Mayweather Sr. Uncensored: Fires Hot Bullets at Pacquiao - Boxing News

That mothefucker is on the A-side meth, that's what the fuck he's on," "It's called the A-side meth. He on that or he on something else. The A-side meth is what they used to have 500 years ago. Remember when the Philippines were fighting the US soldiers? They were shooting them motherfuckers with 45s. And 45s were bouncing off their motherfuckinng ass. They weren't even dying!"

A-side meth is no myth. It's true. I got 'em.

Anybody want some? Ofcourse we have to test it out for effectiveness after you take it. It's part of money back guarantee policy.

I dont have 45cal though. I only have this pussy ass austrian glock 9mm.






'Kiddin

[Memphis]

A-side meth that is the name of the drug Pac is on and the one that the Mayweathers are certain he is on. The drug makes you invincible to .38 and .45 caliber bullets on the battlefield of war and invincible to punches in the boxing ring. One can keep on coming forward without being stopped This drug was invented by the Flip military to battle the US armed forces. It makes you 3 times stronger that what you are.

Mayweather Sr. Uncensored: Fires Hot Bullets at Pacquiao - Boxing News

That mothefucker is on the A-side meth, that's what the fuck he's on," "It's called the A-side meth. He on that or he on something else. The A-side meth is what they used to have 500 years ago. Remember when the Philippines were fighting the US soldiers? They were shooting them motherfuckers with 45s. And 45s were bouncing off their motherfuckinng ass. They weren't even dying!"

Now if he'd called him a homosection yellow midget and used the phrase by no means necessary that would have been perfection.