Is this the nail in the coffin of Pac/Mayweather?

[Gandalf]

I'm not sure that this was the best way to entice Mayweather to the discussion table....

Discuss.

[Majesty]

I'm not sure that this was the best way to entice Mayweather to the discussion table....

Discuss.

I look at it this way, it will probably be a perfect last fight for Mayweather and Pacquiao.
How it will be hyped wise

Mayweather beat Marquez who was Pacquiao's rival, and Shane Mosley who was the lineal 147 champ.

Pacquiao just beat Cotto and Margarito, two people, that people like to say Mayweather ducked.

So therefore, if Pacquiao beats Mayweather, people can say he took apart the lineal 147 pound champ and best p4p in the world. And if Mayweather beats Pacquiao, they'll say he is greater because he beat the guy who decimated the two fighters people say he ducked.

So it's a win win for both, so the filler fights make sense. But only on the outside looking in as if it was a book.

But if knocking out Margarito in brutal fashion would deter Mayweather from fighting someone, he never would have took on Shane.

[generalbulldog]

Floyd needs to clear up his legal troubles first before the possiblity of a match even takes place.

[Gandalf]

I just don't see how Mayweather can keep Pac honest. Manny is more explosive, just as fast, punches harder and throws so much more. It's a fight I just struggle to see Mayweather winning. Pac just has too much of everything.

I think deep down, Mayweather probably knows this and seeing what we saw here, he is unlikely to want to step up and face this beast any time soon.

Mayweather signing a contract to fight Pac will in itself earn my respect. But I do think Manny needs to agree to drug testing with no windows. The fight should also be at 147.

[Julius Rain]

I just don't see how Mayweather can keep Pac honest. Manny is more explosive, just as fast, punches harder and throws so much more. It's a fight I just struggle to see Mayweather winning. Pac just has too much of everything.

I think deep down, Mayweather probably knows this and seeing what we saw here, he is unlikely to want to step up and face this beast any time soon.

Mayweather signing a contract to fight Pac will in itself earn my respect. But I do think Manny needs to agree to drug testing with no windows. The fight should also be at 147.

Miles that opinion of yours is not base on the fact that pac just whoop margarito is it? Cause Majesty made a good point about how floyd face Shane who just ko'ed Tony.

[Kev]

I just don't see how Mayweather can keep Pac honest. Manny is more explosive, just as fast, punches harder and throws so much more. It's a fight I just struggle to see Mayweather winning. Pac just has too much of everything.

I think deep down, Mayweather probably knows this and seeing what we saw here, he is unlikely to want to step up and face this beast any time soon.

Mayweather signing a contract to fight Pac will in itself earn my respect. But I do think Manny needs to agree to drug testing with no windows. The fight should also be at 147.

It's kind of relative though. Manny is amazing because he is a little man moving up and beating up much bigger guys. If a guy in the same natural weight class as the bigger guy does the same job beating him up as Manny does however it is maybe regarded a little less.

In relative terms Manny's performance against a much bigger Margarito was amazing. In absolute terms it wasn't much more onesided than Sugar Shanes, and he didn't brutally KO him like Shane did. We all saw how much trouble Shane posed to Floyd. Outside of one big punch, not much.

I think Floyd will win, but I'd love Manny to pull the upset. He is a legend.

Interestingly I think if Manny beats Floyd he will get far more plaudits for it than if Floyd beats Manny. Honestly, even if Floyd does beat Manny most every round, his critics will still point to Pac's leaky defence, the 'fact' that Marquez beat him twice, and that this result 'was what every really knowledgeable person about the sport of boxing knew would happen'....

[:::PSL:::]

I bet Pac scared Floyd more.

[Dizaster]

I just don't see how Mayweather can keep Pac honest. Manny is more explosive, just as fast, punches harder and throws so much more. It's a fight I just struggle to see Mayweather winning. Pac just has too much of everything.

I think deep down, Mayweather probably knows this and seeing what we saw here, he is unlikely to want to step up and face this beast any time soon.

Mayweather signing a contract to fight Pac will in itself earn my respect. But I do think Manny needs to agree to drug testing with no windows. The fight should also be at 147.

It's kind of relative though. Manny is amazing because he is a little man moving up and beating up much bigger guys. If a guy in the same natural weight class as the bigger guy does the same job beating him up as Manny does however it is maybe regarded a little less.

In relative terms Manny's performance against a much bigger Margarito was amazing. In absolute terms it wasn't much more onesided than Sugar Shanes, and he didn't brutally KO him like Shane did. We all saw how much trouble Shane posed to Floyd. Outside of one big punch, not much.

I think Floyd will win, but I'd love Manny to pull the upset. He is a legend.

Interestingly I think if Manny beats Floyd he will get far more plaudits for it than if Floyd beats Manny. Honestly, even if Floyd does beat Manny most every round, his critics will still point to Pac's leaky defence, the 'fact' that Marquez beat him twice, and that this result 'was what every really knowledgeable person about the sport of boxing knew would happen'....

Aside from whether Floyd and Manny ever fight, for Floyd to have the equal medal of achievement as Pac has, Floyd would need to be fighting at 160 right now and beating the best there..

That is basically what Pac is doing.. Fighting 2 to 3 classes above where he could have comfortable sat, beat everyone, and still be considered P4P 1.

Mayweather skill wise is as good as you will ever see... But as far as outright accomplishments and balls and thirst for great legacy, Pac is whooping his ass...

(If they don't fight) Unless Mayweather fights at 154 his next fight, then 160,,,, they will both retire with Pac having won the legacy battle... I can find no one on Mayweather list, in their Prime or otherwise, who could step in the ring with Pac at 140 or 147 or 154 and beat him right now...

[Gandalf]

I just don't see how Mayweather can keep Pac honest. Manny is more explosive, just as fast, punches harder and throws so much more. It's a fight I just struggle to see Mayweather winning. Pac just has too much of everything.

I think deep down, Mayweather probably knows this and seeing what we saw here, he is unlikely to want to step up and face this beast any time soon.

Mayweather signing a contract to fight Pac will in itself earn my respect. But I do think Manny needs to agree to drug testing with no windows. The fight should also be at 147.

It's kind of relative though. Manny is amazing because he is a little man moving up and beating up much bigger guys. If a guy in the same natural weight class as the bigger guy does the same job beating him up as Manny does however it is maybe regarded a little less.

In relative terms Manny's performance against a much bigger Margarito was amazing. In absolute terms it wasn't much more onesided than Sugar Shanes, and he didn't brutally KO him like Shane did. We all saw how much trouble Shane posed to Floyd. Outside of one big punch, not much.

I think Floyd will win, but I'd love Manny to pull the upset. He is a legend.

Interestingly I think if Manny beats Floyd he will get far more plaudits for it than if Floyd beats Manny. Honestly, even if Floyd does beat Manny most every round, his critics will still point to Pac's leaky defence, the 'fact' that Marquez beat him twice, and that this result 'was what every really knowledgeable person about the sport of boxing knew would happen'....

I don't really regard this fight as going up in weight. 150 is closer to 147 than 154 and that means we've pretty much had 3 Pac fights on the trot at WW. Margarito is perhaps the biggest, but I don't think it's such a big deal. So, I regard it as Manny maintaining his WW form rather than this as an serious attempt at 154.

I regard Pac's win as more impressive because he did it in the purest way. Just boxing. No holding whatsoever and with no limitations in output. Mosley can't throw a hundred punches a round and Manny does it against everyone. To do that round after round is more impressive to me than stopping Margarito in 8. Also, this was a Margarito seemingly in shape and Pac even eased up in the final two rounds. Mosley hits harder than Manny IMO, but he cannot sustain that kind of output along with the power. We saw that with Mosley against Mayweather, a great second round, but afterwards shut out. Mosley at 39 just does not have the footwork and stamina that Manny has. Manny has advantages over Mayweather that Mosley doesn't have, and I also think Manny has the legs that Floyd just doesn't quite have anymore.

It's the output that is the difference for me. Manny won't throw a hundred punches a round against Floyd, but Floyd just cannot let his hands go like Manny and it will tell on the cards. Manny can pepper the arms, the body all night long and you can be sure that if Floyd does open up then Manny will be just as quick in making it tell. Floyd cannot potshot his way to victory against Manny IMO and if he does open up will take a lot of damage along the way.

[zhubin]

I just don't see how Mayweather can keep Pac honest. Manny is more explosive, just as fast, punches harder and throws so much more. It's a fight I just struggle to see Mayweather winning. Pac just has too much of everything.

I think deep down, Mayweather probably knows this and seeing what we saw here, he is unlikely to want to step up and face this beast any time soon.

Mayweather signing a contract to fight Pac will in itself earn my respect. But I do think Manny needs to agree to drug testing with no windows. The fight should also be at 147.

Pac just beat a one dimensional, slow as molasses cheater. Floyd will do what Marquez did against Pac...except 100 times more effectively. You think Floyd is going to war?! You think Floyd doesn't have a plan A, B, and C?! Floyd has the legs to dance ALL NIGHT. He is too slick, too skilled, and too smart. Roach has cherry picked perfect guys for Pac the last few fights. Credit to him for handling his job. But Floyd is the most naturally gifted pure boxer in the game. It will be a great fight...but i see Floyd putting on a master class. Pac needs to take the tests and Floyd needs to clear up his legal issues.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

I just don't see how Mayweather can keep Pac honest. Manny is more explosive, just as fast, punches harder and throws so much more. It's a fight I just struggle to see Mayweather winning. Pac just has too much of everything.

I think deep down, Mayweather probably knows this and seeing what we saw here, he is unlikely to want to step up and face this beast any time soon.

Mayweather signing a contract to fight Pac will in itself earn my respect. But I do think Manny needs to agree to drug testing with no windows. The fight should also be at 147.

Pac just beat a one dimensional, slow as molasses cheater. Floyd will do what Marquez did against Pac...except 100 times more effectively. You think Floyd is going to war?! You think Floyd doesn't have a plan A, B, and C?! Floyd has the legs to dance ALL NIGHT. He is too slick, too skilled, and too smart. Roach has cherry picked perfect guys for Pac the last few fights. Credit to him for handling his job. But Floyd is the most naturally gifted pure boxer in the game. It will be a great fight...but i see Floyd putting on a master class. Pac needs to take the tests and Floyd needs to clear up his legal issues.

What Floyd doesn't have is balls. I hope he grows some in time for the third negotiation.

[Chino]

But I do think Manny needs to agree to drug testing with no windows. The fight should also be at 147.

I thought Manny and his team agreed until the last 24/7 when they said they agree ONLY if they let him have a 7 day window . So I guess the whole "We agree to the blood tests" that Bob Arum said was just not true.

[Taeth]

I just don't see how Mayweather can keep Pac honest. Manny is more explosive, just as fast, punches harder and throws so much more. It's a fight I just struggle to see Mayweather winning. Pac just has too much of everything.

I think deep down, Mayweather probably knows this and seeing what we saw here, he is unlikely to want to step up and face this beast any time soon.

Mayweather signing a contract to fight Pac will in itself earn my respect. But I do think Manny needs to agree to drug testing with no windows. The fight should also be at 147.

So many people didn't know how Mayweather would keep Mosley honest, but he totally nullified Shane's offense. One I might add that destroyed Margarito even worse than Pacquiao.

Mayweather doesn't beat guys with just his speed, it's his timing his defense. Manny needs to be faster than you to win, he needs to be allowed to fight his fight, and he looks great when he is allowed to do his style of fight, but his last few opponents have been picked to make him look exceptionally good. When was the last time we saw him against a skilled counter punching type fighter? Marquez and Barrera, and in both those second fights Pacquiao didn't look all that impressive offensively. Look how much faster and better Mayweather is than them.

People are getting too caught up on the wrong aspects of speed when they think Mayweather-pacquiao. Pacquiao isn't any faster on the outside than Mosley was, I'm sorry but he didn't look all that fast last night except when he was throwing combinations, and you need a relatively stationary target to throw combinations the way he does. I mean look at Marquez he is tireless in there ring and a great combination puncher, his offensive almost rivaled Pacquiao's when they fought, but he couldn't get off at all on Floyd because Floyd either landed a stiff jab before he ever good started or danced away. Watch the last half of Pacquiao-Cotto fight when Cotto is moving and PAcquiao can't get off combinations the same way because he had a moving opponent, the same thing happened with Mosley against Cotto as well, but you take a guy like Floyd who won't be moving away because he has to and Manny will not look good offensively at all.

[Dizaster]

The fact Pac is a southpaw triples his chances alone compared to most of Mayweathers opponents mentioned..

But Taeth is right about Mayweathers defence making ANY output fighter look slow and inaccurate.. He is possibly the best fighter of any era at nullifying his opponents offence..

It's Pac's angles and stance that hold him in decent stead...

The question is whether he can win enough rounds... Like Cotto v Margarito.. Cotto won a lot of rounds simply from landing meaningful counterpuches and having better ring generalship.. Mayweather is the best in the business regarding that. 10 times better than Cotto...

Roach would just need a gameplan to win rounds... The rest after that would be gravy.,

[Julius Rain]

They should lock floyd up and tell him the only way he can get out of jail is if he fights pac. No wait, he will gladly stay in jail.

I dont know the answer.