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I'm not sure about how familiar you are with boxing history but the wiegh ins used to be on the day of the fight.

They were moved to the day before in the television era of Ali etc, and then the weigh in itself was used to hype the fight.

It gives larger fighters the advantage against a smaller guy.

Normally it doesn't matter as not many fighters rise up 10 weight classes but Manny is the exception. All he has sought (and only twice ever) is that his opponents make a slight concession too, to balane the unequal distribution of fairness for them having a 24 hour window to gain weight considerably over and above the maximum weight limit.

I'll say it again. No fighter has been stopped from weighing even more than the weight limit on the day of the fight.

Manny has never asked for same day weigh ins. He has negotiated two catchweights, both voluntarily agreed into by his opponent, both of whom had fought at a much lower weight than even the catchweight in the not too distant past.

Hatton and Clottey were not catchweight fights, and they got their asses handed to them just the same.

It's such an overblown objection.

The only fighter who has ever had to drop weight to a catchweight was Cotto, by a single pound over and above what he voluntarily weighed against Clottey. Margarito was a welterweight moving up to 154 so didnt have to cut anything.

Imagine this scenario. Roy Jones moves up to heavyweight and instead of fighting John Ruiz he fights Lennox Lewis or Vitali Klitschko, with a contractual stipulation that they must weigh lets say 1 lb below their lowest fighting weight from the previous two years, that would be an approximate analagy.

So Lewis or Vitali would have to weigh in below 245 lbs for the fight, rather than their usual 248 or so.

Then Roy Jones beats the snot out of them knocking one out and dominating the other over 12 rounds.

According to your standards that would not be as impressive to you as him beating John Ruiz, because Ruiz was not subjected to the weight agreement.

It really is that absurd.
mate you are funny

they arent the rules now, so if they would make them the rules for a manny fight then they would be changing the rules wouldnt they?

so fighters fight in a weight class that suits them yes? so all is equal

if manny wants to fight at a weight class that is at the limit of his weight where he cant put on any more weight and be effective then he should expect to be fighting a bigger man shouldnt he?

it only benefits the bigger man when his opponent is moving up in weight and when a fighter is moving up in weight he should expect to fight bigger men

i dont know how to say it any clearer dude
Once again you are confused. Manny has never tried to get a fighter to have a same day weigh in. He has rather negotiated two fights to take place at a catchweight in order to counteract the unfair size advantage the bigger man would get through being able to rehydrate to a point far above the maximum weight limit by the time of the fight.

Manny has no problem fighting a 154 lb man at junior middle, he just didn't want to face a 170lb man. By arranging a catchweight and requiring Margarito to weight 150lb a day before the fight he limited the amount of extra weight he could put on to 165 lbs, or 11lbs above the 154 lb limit.

Catchweights are entirely within the rules so Manny has not attempted to change any rules. The only fighter who has in recent years is Floyd Mayweather in attempting to bring in new drug testing regulations.
no dude you are confused

you said to make it fair thats what they should do

i said but if they did that it would be bending the rules

read back

and i say again, it might be an unfair size advantage but manny is going up in weight so thats what he should expect

if he is fighting for the light middleweight world championship then the fairest way to do that is to fight within the same rules that everyone else fights at

i stress again, i like manny and i am enjoying the ride, im just not sure his welterweight and light middleweight world titles are as legit as someones who hasnt moved the goal post