calzaghe v hopkins

[erics44]

You have a tiny penis.

its probly slightly larger than yours mind and has almost definately visited more vaginas

[Pugilistic]

I thought Hopkins edged it 114-113 but it was really close the whole way through with Hopkins taking majority of the early rounds and Calzaghe finishing the fight well.

The majority of people thought Calzaghe outworked Hopkins and deserved to win, i can't disagree with them to be honest, tough fight to score so i have no compliants with anyone on how they scored it.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Then I took points from Calzaghe for being English

''Pound a wuuuuhhh''

[Fenster]

Hopkins "clean effective punching" is exaggerated by his lack of success in the fight.

Look at these very revealing statistics from Hopkins last eight fights. Apart from the fact that Calzaghe hit Hopkins MORE times than any other fighter in history (I know, all those punches don't count ), the stats highlight that Hopkins had more trouble effectively hitting Calzaghe than any other fighter he faced.

Hopkins - 130/317, (35%) Taylor - 124 of 391, (32%)
Hopkins - 133/417, (32%) Tarver - 78/437, (18%)
Hopkins - 152/640, (24%) Wright - 167/618 (27%)
Hopkins - 127/468, (27%) Calzaghe - 232/707 (33%)
Hopkins - 172/530, (32% ) Pavlik - 108/463 (23%)
Hopkins - 205/497 (41%) Ornelas - 113/508 (22%)
Hopkins - 185/526 (35%) Jones - 82/274 (30%)
Hopkins - 171/445 (38%) Pascal - 105/353 (29%)

Cazlaghe simply stopped Hopkins game. He should surely get credit for that? And it obviously highlights why the MAJORITY saw Calzaghe win the fight

no way joe landed 232 in that fight noway........ like i've siad before its more 150...170 if i count someother pity patters.......look there are plenty of guys here who are or where boxer......me being one of them, as a ex fighter i'm telling you 232 is not the total....compubox is someone in the crowd with a counter in there hand clicking it everytime they think a punch is thrown.....that night must have been a bad night for who ever counted joes landed punches.....theres a big diff to punching and touching....that night joe touched hopkins plenty lol but punched him 155ish

So ex-fighters can count better than normal humans? Tell me this then, as an expert ex-fighter, would you have landed 232, sorry i mean 170 punches on Hopkins, which is still MORE than any other fighter?

Your superior ex-fighter counting ability still makes Calzaghe more successful than anyone else. And doesn't change the fact that Hopkins found Calzaghe harder to hit than anyone else. Fact.

i was in no way pulling rank as a ex boxer or suggesting i no better then anyone else...the truth is there are people who have had over 100 bouts as ama and pro who know very little and those who've never even put a pair of gloves on that are experts......my point was there is a big difference in hitting someone and touching.......i can say to you that you have to add anothe 40 punches connected on calzaghe..everytime b-hop held, grabbed him in made contact did he not so thats a hit....no.....i'm saying i would not have credited joe with 70-75 of those punches because they werent punches, if you drop that many shots then hopkins clearly wins as its only the 232 that argues in joes favour in many people eyes.....i can touch or poke with my little finger at you 100 times and you wont class it a punch....if someone hits you once you know about it........watch the fight again and then say that 232 is the total.........the person who did the counting that night must have been trigger happy on the button to class that many punches thats all a ment........once again sorry if it was taken wrong the ex boxers comment it was ment to emply no such thing

I suppose all of those 127 punches from Hopkins were clean, effective earth shudderers, right?

And Hopkins defense was wonderful, unlike Calzaghe who deserves no credit whatsoever for making it so awkward for Hopkins to hit him (as my figures show - less than any other fighter Hopkins had fought in years).

And, of course, Hopkin's superior ring generalship was clear for everyone to see, apart from when Cazlaghe put him under so much pressure he resorted to begging the ref for breathers and trying to get the totally ineffective slapper disqualified.

To be honest - it's quite surprising Hopkins ever wasted his time challenging such an inferior opponent. Fact.

[NUCLEAR BULL]

Hopkins "clean effective punching" is exaggerated by his lack of success in the fight.

Look at these very revealing statistics from Hopkins last eight fights. Apart from the fact that Calzaghe hit Hopkins MORE times than any other fighter in history (I know, all those punches don't count ), the stats highlight that Hopkins had more trouble effectively hitting Calzaghe than any other fighter he faced.

Hopkins - 130/317, (35%) Taylor - 124 of 391, (32%)
Hopkins - 133/417, (32%) Tarver - 78/437, (18%)
Hopkins - 152/640, (24%) Wright - 167/618 (27%)
Hopkins - 127/468, (27%) Calzaghe - 232/707 (33%)
Hopkins - 172/530, (32% ) Pavlik - 108/463 (23%)
Hopkins - 205/497 (41%) Ornelas - 113/508 (22%)
Hopkins - 185/526 (35%) Jones - 82/274 (30%)
Hopkins - 171/445 (38%) Pascal - 105/353 (29%)

Cazlaghe simply stopped Hopkins game. He should surely get credit for that? And it obviously highlights why the MAJORITY saw Calzaghe win the fight

no way joe landed 232 in that fight noway........ like i've siad before its more 150...170 if i count someother pity patters.......look there are plenty of guys here who are or where boxer......me being one of them, as a ex fighter i'm telling you 232 is not the total....compubox is someone in the crowd with a counter in there hand clicking it everytime they think a punch is thrown.....that night must have been a bad night for who ever counted joes landed punches.....theres a big diff to punching and touching....that night joe touched hopkins plenty lol but punched him 155ish

So ex-fighters can count better than normal humans? Tell me this then, as an expert ex-fighter, would you have landed 232, sorry i mean 170 punches on Hopkins, which is still MORE than any other fighter?

Your superior ex-fighter counting ability still makes Calzaghe more successful than anyone else. And doesn't change the fact that Hopkins found Calzaghe harder to hit than anyone else. Fact.

i was in no way pulling rank as a ex boxer or suggesting i no better then anyone else...the truth is there are people who have had over 100 bouts as ama and pro who know very little and those who've never even put a pair of gloves on that are experts......my point was there is a big difference in hitting someone and touching.......i can say to you that you have to add anothe 40 punches connected on calzaghe..everytime b-hop held, grabbed him in made contact did he not so thats a hit....no.....i'm saying i would not have credited joe with 70-75 of those punches because they werent punches, if you drop that many shots then hopkins clearly wins as its only the 232 that argues in joes favour in many people eyes.....i can touch or poke with my little finger at you 100 times and you wont class it a punch....if someone hits you once you know about it........watch the fight again and then say that 232 is the total.........the person who did the counting that night must have been trigger happy on the button to class that many punches thats all a ment........once again sorry if it was taken wrong the ex boxers comment it was ment to emply no such thing

I suppose all of those 127 punches from Hopkins were clean, effective earth shudderers, right?

And Hopkins defense was wonderful, unlike Calzaghe who deserves no credit whatsoever for making it so awkward for Hopkins to hit him (as my figures show - less than any other fighter Hopkins had fought in years).

And, of course, Hopkin's superior ring generalship was clear for everyone to see, apart from when Cazlaghe put him under so much pressure he resorted to begging the ref for breathers and trying to get the totally ineffective slapper disqualified.

To be honest - it's quite surprising Hopkins ever wasted his time challenging such an inferior opponent. Fact.

hahahahaha hey fenster i like your style, infact i'm thinking your maybe mr joe calzaghe himself...( if you are say hello to the old man, we'll finish that debate we start few years back in manchester with him)

dont take to much to heart about thses matters, its my view and theres your view and everyone elses.......i feel hopkins won a close fight....i was a calzaghe fan but later not so much....i am a fan of hopkins to......and many other fighters........i'l send you a drink or two mate its xmas always a pleasure to converse with the fenster

[Gandalf]

Hopkins "clean effective punching" is exaggerated by his lack of success in the fight.

Look at these very revealing statistics from Hopkins last eight fights. Apart from the fact that Calzaghe hit Hopkins MORE times than any other fighter in history (I know, all those punches don't count ), the stats highlight that Hopkins had more trouble effectively hitting Calzaghe than any other fighter he faced.

Hopkins - 130/317, (35%) Taylor - 124 of 391, (32%)
Hopkins - 133/417, (32%) Tarver - 78/437, (18%)
Hopkins - 152/640, (24%) Wright - 167/618 (27%)
Hopkins - 127/468, (27%) Calzaghe - 232/707 (33%)
Hopkins - 172/530, (32% ) Pavlik - 108/463 (23%)
Hopkins - 205/497 (41%) Ornelas - 113/508 (22%)
Hopkins - 185/526 (35%) Jones - 82/274 (30%)
Hopkins - 171/445 (38%) Pascal - 105/353 (29%)

Cazlaghe simply stopped Hopkins game. He should surely get credit for that? And it obviously highlights why the MAJORITY saw Calzaghe win the fight

no way joe landed 232 in that fight noway........ like i've siad before its more 150...170 if i count someother pity patters.......look there are plenty of guys here who are or where boxer......me being one of them, as a ex fighter i'm telling you 232 is not the total....compubox is someone in the crowd with a counter in there hand clicking it everytime they think a punch is thrown.....that night must have been a bad night for who ever counted joes landed punches.....theres a big diff to punching and touching....that night joe touched hopkins plenty lol but punched him 155ish

So ex-fighters can count better than normal humans? Tell me this then, as an expert ex-fighter, would you have landed 232, sorry i mean 170 punches on Hopkins, which is still MORE than any other fighter?

Your superior ex-fighter counting ability still makes Calzaghe more successful than anyone else. And doesn't change the fact that Hopkins found Calzaghe harder to hit than anyone else. Fact.

I don't think you're understanding the gravity of what he is saying mate. He's ex fighter. You're just a fat civilian who looks a bit like Shuan Murphy.

When you've laced up a pair of gloves and hit the heavybag at your community youth centre then your opinion might stand for something. Right now you are as much an authority of boxing as Miles is on Middle East issues.

What an incredibly dumb argument. That's like saying you cannot be an expert on WW1 history unless you have actually fought in the actual war. Of course actual experience would count, but if the combatant were an illiterate pleb with no ability to formulate a cogent argument, then surely that would place the academic who is able to interpret documents and evidence on a much higher pedestal.

As someone who follows boxing as closely as Fenster does, his opinion is as valid as anyone elses. And just as valid as Butterbeans too for that matter.

You are a silly, silly man.

[Gandalf]

I think compubox is defective, but it is doesn't just formulate numbers randomly. Calzaghe was clearly landing on Hopkins, but I question the total figures that compubox offers us, but I think Calzaghe clearly outlanded Hopkins by a fair margin and won a relatively close fight.

[NUCLEAR BULL]

and yo fenster......enzo told me that every punch hopkins landed WAS LIKE A SLEDGEHAMMER....in fact hopkins hit joe so hard so so quick so many times that calzaghe thought he was surrounded hahaha....hopkins was so quick it broke all compubox gadjets, the poeple doing the counting passed out wet there bets and now get treatment everytime the see numbers hahahaha

merry xmas the present with calzaghe stuck on it is from me

[Fenster]

I'm not taking anything to heart. I don't expect for a minute to change your mind, or anyones mind that saw Hopkins win, just countering why the majority saw Calzaghe win, that's all.

And my posts are the best. Fact.

[ono]

and yo fenster......enzo told me that every punch hopkins landed WAS LIKE A SLEDGEHAMMER....in fact hopkins hit joe so hard so so quick so many times that calzaghe thought he was surrounded hahaha....hopkins was so quick it broke all compubox gadjets, the poeple doing the counting passed out wet there bets and now get treatment everytime the see numbers hahahaha

merry xmas the present with calzaghe stuck on it is from me

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Mentalist.

[NUCLEAR BULL]

and yo fenster......enzo told me that every punch hopkins landed WAS LIKE A SLEDGEHAMMER....in fact hopkins hit joe so hard so so quick so many times that calzaghe thought he was surrounded hahaha....hopkins was so quick it broke all compubox gadjets, the poeple doing the counting passed out wet there bets and now get treatment everytime the see numbers hahahaha

merry xmas the present with calzaghe stuck on it is from me

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Mentalist.

i also cook mean steak ONO.....................ONO you just made it to 3rd on my list....my xmas list....expect a package with some cheap beer in it.......the expensive stuff is for fenster......thatnk for the grammer homework ONO

[Kev]

Hopkins "clean effective punching" is exaggerated by his lack of success in the fight.

Look at these very revealing statistics from Hopkins last eight fights. Apart from the fact that Calzaghe hit Hopkins MORE times than any other fighter in history (I know, all those punches don't count ), the stats highlight that Hopkins had more trouble effectively hitting Calzaghe than any other fighter he faced.

Hopkins - 130/317, (35%) Taylor - 124 of 391, (32%)
Hopkins - 133/417, (32%) Tarver - 78/437, (18%)
Hopkins - 152/640, (24%) Wright - 167/618 (27%)
Hopkins - 127/468, (27%) Calzaghe - 232/707 (33%)
Hopkins - 172/530, (32% ) Pavlik - 108/463 (23%)
Hopkins - 205/497 (41%) Ornelas - 113/508 (22%)
Hopkins - 185/526 (35%) Jones - 82/274 (30%)
Hopkins - 171/445 (38%) Pascal - 105/353 (29%)

Cazlaghe simply stopped Hopkins game. He should surely get credit for that? And it obviously highlights why the MAJORITY saw Calzaghe win the fight

no way joe landed 232 in that fight noway........ like i've siad before its more 150...170 if i count someother pity patters.......look there are plenty of guys here who are or where boxer......me being one of them, as a ex fighter i'm telling you 232 is not the total....compubox is someone in the crowd with a counter in there hand clicking it everytime they think a punch is thrown.....that night must have been a bad night for who ever counted joes landed punches.....theres a big diff to punching and touching....that night joe touched hopkins plenty lol but punched him 155ish

So ex-fighters can count better than normal humans? Tell me this then, as an expert ex-fighter, would you have landed 232, sorry i mean 170 punches on Hopkins, which is still MORE than any other fighter?

Your superior ex-fighter counting ability still makes Calzaghe more successful than anyone else. And doesn't change the fact that Hopkins found Calzaghe harder to hit than anyone else. Fact.

I don't think you're understanding the gravity of what he is saying mate. He's ex fighter. You're just a fat civilian who looks a bit like Shuan Murphy.

When you've laced up a pair of gloves and hit the heavybag at your community youth centre then your opinion might stand for something. Right now you are as much an authority of boxing as Miles is on Middle East issues.

What an incredibly dumb argument. That's like saying you cannot be an expert on WW1 history unless you have actually fought in the actual war. Of course actual experience would count, but if the combatant were an illiterate pleb with no ability to formulate a cogent argument, then surely that would place the academic who is able to interpret documents and evidence on a much higher pedestal.

As someone who follows boxing as closely as Fenster does, his opinion is as valid as anyone elses. And just as valid as Butterbeans too for that matter.

You are a silly, silly man.

hahahahaha Miles is clearly so wound up and agitated by his self imposed politics ban that he's not even reading posts properly and cannot detect even the most obvious of sarcasms.

Read it again Miles, I'm not mocking Fenster, I'm mocking the guy who said he knew more because he was a fighter

PS, some good political threads planned for later, the Obama revival, and mounting evidence of a nuclear arms pact between North Korea and Iran. They will wind you mightily, but sadly you cannot have an opinion until February.

[erics44]

by the way in an earlier post i said it was a clear win for calzaghi

by that i didnt mean he won by miles, i know it was a close-ish fight

i just meant it was clear who the winner was

if you get me?

[Taeth]

Hopkins "clean effective punching" is exaggerated by his lack of success in the fight.

Look at these very revealing statistics from Hopkins last eight fights. Apart from the fact that Calzaghe hit Hopkins MORE times than any other fighter in history (I know, all those punches don't count ), the stats highlight that Hopkins had more trouble effectively hitting Calzaghe than any other fighter he faced.

Hopkins - 130/317, (35%) Taylor - 124 of 391, (32%)
Hopkins - 133/417, (32%) Tarver - 78/437, (18%)
Hopkins - 152/640, (24%) Wright - 167/618 (27%)
Hopkins - 127/468, (27%) Calzaghe - 232/707 (33%)
Hopkins - 172/530, (32% ) Pavlik - 108/463 (23%)
Hopkins - 205/497 (41%) Ornelas - 113/508 (22%)
Hopkins - 185/526 (35%) Jones - 82/274 (30%)
Hopkins - 171/445 (38%) Pascal - 105/353 (29%)

Cazlaghe simply stopped Hopkins game. He should surely get credit for that? And it obviously highlights why the MAJORITY saw Calzaghe win the fight

no way joe landed 232 in that fight noway........ like i've siad before its more 150...170 if i count someother pity patters.......look there are plenty of guys here who are or where boxer......me being one of them, as a ex fighter i'm telling you 232 is not the total....compubox is someone in the crowd with a counter in there hand clicking it everytime they think a punch is thrown.....that night must have been a bad night for who ever counted joes landed punches.....theres a big diff to punching and touching....that night joe touched hopkins plenty lol but punched him 155ish

So ex-fighters can count better than normal humans? Tell me this then, as an expert ex-fighter, would you have landed 232, sorry i mean 170 punches on Hopkins, which is still MORE than any other fighter?

Your superior ex-fighter counting ability still makes Calzaghe more successful than anyone else. And doesn't change the fact that Hopkins found Calzaghe harder to hit than anyone else. Fact.

i was in no way pulling rank as a ex boxer or suggesting i no better then anyone else...the truth is there are people who have had over 100 bouts as ama and pro who know very little and those who've never even put a pair of gloves on that are experts......my point was there is a big difference in hitting someone and touching.......i can say to you that you have to add anothe 40 punches connected on calzaghe..everytime b-hop held, grabbed him in made contact did he not so thats a hit....no.....i'm saying i would not have credited joe with 70-75 of those punches because they werent punches, if you drop that many shots then hopkins clearly wins as its only the 232 that argues in joes favour in many people eyes.....i can touch or poke with my little finger at you 100 times and you wont class it a punch....if someone hits you once you know about it........watch the fight again and then say that 232 is the total.........the person who did the counting that night must have been trigger happy on the button to class that many punches thats all a ment........once again sorry if it was taken wrong the ex boxers comment it was ment to emply no such thing

I completely agree about the punches landed thing, there is no way Calzaghe landed that many, in some rounds I was utterly purplexed because I saw him land like 4-5 punches and they showed the compubox and he had like 17-18 landed punches.

[NUCLEAR BULL]

goto say you gents do take things very serious, all this attacking coz i said i'm a ex boxer......i've spoken to a person just to make sure its ok for me to let you guys in on something. a t.v channel in the uk was playing with the idea of adding the compubox biz, they tested by having two people sit near each other clocking the same fighter...they found there was at time big difference in the counts 40,50,60, 70 punch difference, that was punches landed... so they dropped the idea.......this was a few years back when the channel was showing quite a bit of action.

besides i have laughed about this fight with joe, when i said no way you landed nearly 250 even he smiled.

you boys seem to turn things into arguements, lighten up and have fun with it for crying out loud

ONO I EXPECT A FULL SPELL, GRAMMER and whatever check from you please SIR