Quote Originally Posted by bzkfn View Post
Quote Originally Posted by Pavlik View Post
It's amazing just a few years back Cotto, Clottey, Margarito and Mosely ruled the welters now since they have lost each before facing PAC now they're not ENOUGH for Manny.
I'll reverse the scenario PAC just like what Max Kellerman said got hit more and does not look like the PAC from 2 yrs ago, IF PAC LOSES IN THE FUTURE I WILL NOT CREDIT ANY OF THEM BECAUSE PAC IS NOT IN HIS PRIME ANYMORE.
You're kidding me right? The guy is currently the best fighter in the sport, so if anyone beat him, then that would be a great achievement. I am no hater of Manny Pacquiao, I love watching the guy fight, but truly stupid statements like this make me want him to fail.
I think Pavlik makes a very good point actually. In the eyes of the fickle fight fans a fighter really is only as good as his last fight.

For years Floyd was dodging the best welters in Margarito and Mosley. Hatton was unbeatable at light welter, the undisputed Ring champ. Clottey was one of the most underated fighters around (as weirdly is Collazo still because he hasn't had a big fight yet), and they were the kind of fighters Floyd wanted nothing off.

Then fast forward a couple of years and because they have since suffered losses they are just fodder for a cherry picking Filipino. Beating them means nothing, hell any decent fighter should be able to knock them out.

Right now it's guys like Bradley or Berto, or Martinez that Manny is avoiding (not counting Marquez) but if Bradley were to lose to Alexander, or Martinez to some other middleweight then they will be nothing fighters once again, and people will groan if Manny fights them.

Look at Paul Williams, knocked out by Martinez and now written off as finished. Pavlik is finished. Mosley is finished.

Hopkins was finished yet again after the second Jones Jr fight and is now back to being truly an all time great who was robbed against Calzaghe and Pascal.

The great thing about armchair fans and internat warriors is their opinions don't have to be permanent. What they say in May can be completely retracted in September.

Personally I don't believe human beings decline in skills over the period of a summer, or only have a period of 16 months where they are good at what they do, but that is the mindset of the average forum posting boxing fan.