Pacquiao-Mosley done deal

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It's amazing just a few years back Cotto, Clottey, Margarito and Mosely ruled the welters now since they have lost each before facing PAC now they're not ENOUGH for Manny.
I'll reverse the scenario PAC just like what Max Kellerman said got hit more and does not look like the PAC from 2 yrs ago, IF PAC LOSES IN THE FUTURE I WILL NOT CREDIT ANY OF THEM BECAUSE PAC IS NOT IN HIS PRIME ANYMORE.

You're kidding me right? The guy is currently the best fighter in the sport, so if anyone beat him, then that would be a great achievement. I am no hater of Manny Pacquiao, I love watching the guy fight, but truly stupid statements like this make me want him to fail.

I think Pavlik makes a very good point actually. In the eyes of the fickle fight fans a fighter really is only as good as his last fight.

For years Floyd was dodging the best welters in Margarito and Mosley. Hatton was unbeatable at light welter, the undisputed Ring champ. Clottey was one of the most underated fighters around (as weirdly is Collazo still because he hasn't had a big fight yet), and they were the kind of fighters Floyd wanted nothing off.

Then fast forward a couple of years and because they have since suffered losses they are just fodder for a cherry picking Filipino. Beating them means nothing, hell any decent fighter should be able to knock them out.

Right now it's guys like Bradley or Berto, or Martinez that Manny is avoiding (not counting Marquez) but if Bradley were to lose to Alexander, or Martinez to some other middleweight then they will be nothing fighters once again, and people will groan if Manny fights them.

Look at Paul Williams, knocked out by Martinez and now written off as finished. Pavlik is finished. Mosley is finished.

Hopkins was finished yet again after the second Jones Jr fight and is now back to being truly an all time great who was robbed against Calzaghe and Pascal.

The great thing about armchair fans and internat warriors is their opinions don't have to be permanent. What they say in May can be completely retracted in September.

Personally I don't believe human beings decline in skills over the period of a summer, or only have a period of 16 months where they are good at what they do, but that is the mindset of the average forum posting boxing fan.

I completely agree that fans are fickle, but you can pick an idiot apart with facts. Anyone who claims Manny is ducking/not fighting the best is a complete idiot. Just putting linking to boxrec an checking his resume is proof of that. On first read of Pavlik's post though, it came across to me that he was making a defensive statement that Pacquiao was no longer on top of his game when he clearly is. Also, to my knowledge, I didn't see any recent posts in this thread claiming he was ducking. They are debating whether or not Mosley is the correct choice of opponent.

[Kev]

It's amazing just a few years back Cotto, Clottey, Margarito and Mosely ruled the welters now since they have lost each before facing PAC now they're not ENOUGH for Manny.
I'll reverse the scenario PAC just like what Max Kellerman said got hit more and does not look like the PAC from 2 yrs ago, IF PAC LOSES IN THE FUTURE I WILL NOT CREDIT ANY OF THEM BECAUSE PAC IS NOT IN HIS PRIME ANYMORE.

You're kidding me right? The guy is currently the best fighter in the sport, so if anyone beat him, then that would be a great achievement. I am no hater of Manny Pacquiao, I love watching the guy fight, but truly stupid statements like this make me want him to fail.

I think Pavlik makes a very good point actually. In the eyes of the fickle fight fans a fighter really is only as good as his last fight.

For years Floyd was dodging the best welters in Margarito and Mosley. Hatton was unbeatable at light welter, the undisputed Ring champ. Clottey was one of the most underated fighters around (as weirdly is Collazo still because he hasn't had a big fight yet), and they were the kind of fighters Floyd wanted nothing off.

Then fast forward a couple of years and because they have since suffered losses they are just fodder for a cherry picking Filipino. Beating them means nothing, hell any decent fighter should be able to knock them out.

Right now it's guys like Bradley or Berto, or Martinez that Manny is avoiding (not counting Marquez) but if Bradley were to lose to Alexander, or Martinez to some other middleweight then they will be nothing fighters once again, and people will groan if Manny fights them.

Look at Paul Williams, knocked out by Martinez and now written off as finished. Pavlik is finished. Mosley is finished.

Hopkins was finished yet again after the second Jones Jr fight and is now back to being truly an all time great who was robbed against Calzaghe and Pascal.

The great thing about armchair fans and internat warriors is their opinions don't have to be permanent. What they say in May can be completely retracted in September.

Personally I don't believe human beings decline in skills over the period of a summer, or only have a period of 16 months where they are good at what they do, but that is the mindset of the average forum posting boxing fan.

I completely agree that fans are fickle, but you can pick an idiot apart with facts. Anyone who claims Manny is ducking/not fighting the best is a complete idiot. Just putting linking to boxrec an checking his resume is proof of that. On first read of Pavlik's post though, it came across to me that he was making a defensive statement that Pacquiao was no longer on top of his game when he clearly is. Also, to my knowledge, I didn't see any recent posts in this thread claiming he was ducking. They are debating whether or not Mosley is the correct choice of opponent.

I think he's just highlighting the fickleness of fans. Once a fighter loses he's a bum, shot, finished, a corpse and Manny beating him means nothing. So he's just being sarcastic in saying that if Manny ever loses he will just say well he was past his prime, shot, finished, too old etc and thus beating him at that point meant nothing.

Regarding Shane. It's not the hardest available fight but Manny is in his 30's and has just torn through 4 weight classes in the past few years beating a who's who of the best fighters of the last several years around the welterweight division.

And contrary to many fan's, the goal for Manny and his team is for him to have a sucessful career maximising his earning, long term legacy against name opponents, and to keep winning.

A lot of fans just like to imagine the toughest opponent they can who be most likely to beat him and demand he face him.

Well Manny will do, when the money is right, but he's less interested in getting beat than his haters are and so he understandably factors in risk vs reward.

Every fighter does that, they would be insane not to.

Why fight an unproven fighter like Bradley, Berto, Martinez when the jury is still out on them and they are not household names? Better to let them grow their reputations and prove themselves and then fight in a bigger fight.

Coming after Marquez, De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey and Margarito I'm perfectly happy for a post 30 year old Manny, who is also now a full time politician to take a slightly easier fight for decent money whilst we wait for Floyd to sort himself out and see how the chips fall later on.

Contrary to the haters interperatations Manny didn't have an easy night against Margarito. That fight was a hard fight for him. He got hit, he got hurt at times and had to suck it up.

Mosley may be a foregone conclusion for us, and I too think Manny will win, but for Manny in there fighting the fight, taking the shots it won't be an easy fight. Mosley is a Hall of Famer, with vast experience, knockout power he's still never been stopped or ruined in a fight yet. It's a fight Manny should win. But Mosley is a live underdog, and a tough challenge.

Look at Marquez Diaz 2 or Marquez Katsidis. We all knew they were dead cert wins for Marqyuez. But he had to dig deep to win them. He didn't win by just turning up.

That will likely be the same here for Manny against Mosley.

When has Shane been in a dull fight? Even against Mora he piled it on in the championship rounds to the extent that Merchant and Kellerman were gushing in their praise of him.

He's a great fighter, crowd pleasing, never gives up, always has the power to turn a fight, and deserves a chance, just like all great old fighters before him to be the old fox underdog trying to turn back the hands of time.

Ali, Foreman, Hopkins, Jones Jr, Oscar, Barrera, Morrales etc all got the opportunity to be the old warhorse, why not Mosley?

I think it will be a very crowd friendly fight, and if Manny did dominate and destroy him it would be to his credit as nobody has done that yet.