Pacquiao-Mosley done deal

[Julius Rain]

For those who say this is a gimmie or just a stay busy or a money making fight...

Well come on let's keep it real so were Clottey and Margarito.

I actually agree with you Mick. I think there's really nothing else out there for pac but Mayweather. Same goes for Floyd. I dont think Timothy, Alexander, Berto, JMM (floyd already proved) or anybody else is anything but a gimmie or just stay busy or a money making fight.

The only real task would be above welterweight -> Sergio Martinez

How can anyone say that a potential Marquez fight at 140 is a "gimmie"? That is an outrageous statement considering that Marquez has had two fights with Manny, gone down 4 times and yet still outboxed him in the vast majority of the rounds. Also Bradley is young, fast, skilled and undefeated. Berto considerably less so, but still undefeated. And we are to believe that Clottey, Margarito and a slumped Mosley are the best challenges we can give Manny?

Everyone would like to see the Mayweather fight, but let's not kid ourselves that there aren't more viable options out there than what we are currently being spoonfed. Martinez at 154 would be great too, but at WW and below there are still good fights to be had.

Miles your saying Marquez would be a tough fight for Pac at 140? Thats your opinion and I guess your entitled to it. Let JMM fight at 140 first before you truly delude yourself. I too have an opinion, I think pac beats JMM in a third fight and I know what you will say afterwards. JMM is old, past it, out of his weight class. Its the same song. I am not saying Mosley is a better fight, but at least Mosley isn't removed from his weight class. I don't think you can use that one on this fight.

As for the other 140 pounders, from what I've seen I think they are all a level below Pac and Floyd but there names do not carry the same weight as a Cotto, Margarito, Mosley. Pac is the biggest name in boxing, he will be pit against other big names. Timothy, Alexander, Berto and anyone else are just not there yet. But I think eventually pac will run out of big name fighters and will get to these guys if the Floyd fight continues to stall.

I stick to my opinion, the only real fight out there for Pac is Floyd, anything else in WW is a stay busy, money maker fight.

I think Marquez has a couple of fights in him max. It would be interesting to see him step up to 140 in his next fight, but there is no denying that Marquez is the one fighter above all others that has given Pac the most problems. Morales did it the one time, but Marquez has won the majority of the rounds twice in a row. Marquez deserves respect and more so considering most writers thought he won the last fight. We are all entitled to our opinions and I haven't even said that Marquez beats Pacquiao at 140, but it is most definitely a credible fight. The facts speak for themselves. These guys have history and Marquez has outboxed Pacquiao in both fights. The only doubting factor is the weight, but if Manny were to come down in weight and Marquez go up then that evens the playing field somewhat. Noone realistically expects Manny to boil down to 135 at this stage and it is ludicrious to even go there.

There is a trend in Pac's recent opponents and that is the fact that Arum owns them all. We are only getting Mosley/Pac because Mosley went rogue and against the wishes of Goldenboy who wanted the fight for Marquez. To suggest that Margarito deserved a shot at Pac is crazy talk. What has Mosley done recently to deserve a shot either? Marquez should have had his shot this time out. There was a demand from the fans who know the history and once again Arum and Pac have given a big middle finger to the expectations of the fans. Nobody is getting any fun from the current match up if it goes according to how many of us fear it will.

Of all the fighters at 140, I think Tim Bradley is the real deal. Sure, maybe he isn't quite known enough, but I think all the ingredients of a quality fighter are there. Tim Bradley would certainly be more deserving of a shot than Clottey was. Face it, we are being dicked around by Arum and Pac again and people keep on trying to justify bare faced crookery.

You're right about Marquez being the guy who has trouble pac twice. There is no denying that. There is no denying the fact that JMM is going down more often in fights and is fighting a more aggressive fight. There is no denying the other fact that, the welterweight pacman is not the same featherweight JMM had fought. The other fact that you can not deny is pac have proven himself at welterweight while JMM has not.

Also Miles, you have such a big problem with pac having fights at catch weights. What did you think about the JMM/Floyd match up. Or the fact that you are suggesting pac to have a fight with JMM at well a catchweight 140? JMM is not a 140 fighter and pac is a 147 fighter which technically would be a catch weight for that match up, right?

I hope JMMs next fight is at 140 and not against the likes of Katsidis, Diaz who are guys suited for his style. 3 of his last 4 fights have been against those two and its been inside 2 years. While pac has gone up and dominated 6 fights since they last fought. You like to criticize who pac fights, well if you loook at their resume aside from floyd (who was a sound lost) on JMMs resume, pacs oppenent beats JMMs p4p or no matter how you look at it.

Diaz
Katsidis
Casamayor

Are those three wins better then

Margarito
Clottey
Cotto
Hatton
Dela Hoya

Not even close. I dont want take away how impressive JMM look going up and getting those wins, but you can not compare his wins over pacs wins. You want to call pacs oppenent old, wash up, drain, or any other excuse you can come up with. How about Casa who was 2 fights remove from a lost to Santa Cruz, a fight remove from struggling to katsidis who yes is JMMs last fight. Now why would JMM fight a guy who was already Ko'd by the guy who he tko'd Casa? Wait infact why would he rematch a guy who he already ko'd DIAz!!!!! In the last two years, JMM have only won fights against Diaz and Katsidis. In the last two years Pac have wins over Dela Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito. Whos selection of oppenent in the past two years has look shitty now MIles?

You like criticizes pacs opponents or the fights he takes well take a look at other fighters. JMM is actually worst.

Julius, just out of interest, do you have an issue with Pac-Marquez at Welter? Because while I agree with Miles that a fight at 140lb would be more of an even fight, I accept that this is boxing, and when you hold the marbles, you get to make demands and personally, while people think JMM has no business above Lightweight, I think he does...if Pacquiao is the opponent. JMM has proved himself against Pacquiao twice and that for me is enough to warrant a 3rd fight.

I do not have an issue with Pac-JMM at 140, I actually think thats the only weight they can have a fight at but JMM has not yet fought there. I would agree with you about the two close fights with Pac warrants a third with JMM but at 140 I would prefer to see JMM fight there first. I'm just sick of people making excuses and taking credit from where it is due. If they fight at 140 without JMM doing anything at 140 in the past and pac totally dominates him, they will just say JMM is out of his weigth class and pac just cherry picked a lightweight to fight at junior welters.

I would like to see JMM get a win over a decent name at 140 first, for the mean time pac will fight Mosley at 147. If JMM does great at 140 then I definitely think a JMM Pac III at 140 is a must.

[JT Rock]

As far as Pac vs Bradley goes, I think people are getting way ahead of themselves on Bradley. IMO he is going to get stopped late against Alexander anyway

[:::PSL:::]

As far as Pac vs Bradley goes, I think people are getting way ahead of themselves on Bradley. IMO he is going to get stopped late against Alexander anyway

I have the same opinion.

[Julius Rain]

As far as Pac vs Bradley goes, I think people are getting way ahead of themselves on Bradley. IMO he is going to get stopped late against Alexander anyway

I think if JMM can handle the weight at 140, he beats Bradley.

[Gandalf]

As far as Pac vs Bradley goes, I think people are getting way ahead of themselves on Bradley. IMO he is going to get stopped late against Alexander anyway

I think if JMM can handle the weight at 140, he beats Bradley.

I don't think Marquez needs to even beat the best at 140, but should be able to fight anyone ranked in the top 6 to get his shot at Pac. Just prove the weight is fine and the history between the two seals the deal. It's not as though Manny jumped up and fought the best at 135 and he wasn't facing the best fighter at WW when he fought Cotto at a CW, so Marquez should be entitled to simply face a credible fighter at 140 like Pac has been able to do in certain divisions. Then there is no reason for anyone to be against a Pac/Marquez fight at 140.

And like I say, I am not even sure that Marquez can beat him, but I am convinced that he can make it interesting and test Manny in a way that other fighters are not able to. Size is not the challenge for Manny, it is precision counter punching and all any of us are asking is that Manny test himself. Get away from Arum and his constant in house shenanigans and get Manny in there with fighters on a winning streak or else are unbeaten. Enough with these damaged or tainted fighters. It is doing nothing to enhance Manny's reputation.

[generalbulldog]

As far as Pac vs Bradley goes, I think people are getting way ahead of themselves on Bradley. IMO he is going to get stopped late against Alexander anyway

I think if JMM can handle the weight at 140, he beats Bradley.

I don't think Marquez needs to even beat the best at 140, but should be able to fight anyone ranked in the top 6 to get his shot at Pac. Just prove the weight is fine and the history between the two seals the deal. It's not as though Manny jumped up and fought the best at 135 and he wasn't facing the best fighter at WW when he fought Cotto at a CW, so Marquez should be entitled to simply face a credible fighter at 140 like Pac has been able to do in certain divisions. Then there is no reason for anyone to be against a Pac/Marquez fight at 140.

And like I say, I am not even sure that Marquez can beat him, but I am convinced that he can make it interesting and test Manny in a way that other fighters are not able to. Size is not the challenge for Manny, it is precision counter punching and all any of us are asking is that Manny test himself. Get away from Arum and his constant in house shenanigans and get Manny in there with fighters on a winning streak or else are unbeaten. Enough with these damaged or tainted fighters. It is doing nothing to enhance Manny's reputation.

With hindsight being 20/20 it's easy to come up with excuses why a guy wins. If I'm not mistaken you and I think most of this forum picked Hatton and Cotto to smash Pacquiao, but after Pacquiao wins it's they were damage, weight drain, shot, over the hill, and tainted, along with other myriad of excuses like Mayweather Sr. didn't do a good job of training or whoever that was training Cotto.

If it was Berto and Pacquiao won, it would have been he was too green. If it was Bradley and Pac won, it would have been Bradley was too small and green. And if Pac did fight JMM at 140 and he won, it would have been JMM was 37 and did'nt belong at 140 as an excuse. And more than likely the same people that would have wanted those fights and picking those guys to beat him would come out with the excuses I just made after Pac beats them.

I think that's how one acts like a boxing Nastradamus.

[Master]

I was the same, but Manny Pac beat the hell out of any opponent I favoured. You just have to accept he is a remarkable fighter. The Marg fight was amazing to watch and I really think he is beyond JMM.

[fan johnny]

I was the same, but Manny Pac beat the hell out of any opponent I favoured. You just have to accept he is a remarkable fighter. The Marg fight was amazing to watch and I really think he is beyond JMM.

I have that fight recorded and have watched it a few times now. Most people don't realize how competitive Margarito was in the fight all the way up to round 10. Every time Margarito started getting somewhere against Pacquiao, Pacquiao would turn on the punch wheel and just wipe out what ever Margarito did scoring wise.

[Ant Live]

As far as Pac vs Bradley goes, I think people are getting way ahead of themselves on Bradley. IMO he is going to get stopped late against Alexander anyway

I think if JMM can handle the weight at 140, he beats Bradley.

I don't think Marquez needs to even beat the best at 140, but should be able to fight anyone ranked in the top 6 to get his shot at Pac. Just prove the weight is fine and the history between the two seals the deal. It's not as though Manny jumped up and fought the best at 135 and he wasn't facing the best fighter at WW when he fought Cotto at a CW, so Marquez should be entitled to simply face a credible fighter at 140 like Pac has been able to do in certain divisions. Then there is no reason for anyone to be against a Pac/Marquez fight at 140.

And like I say, I am not even sure that Marquez can beat him, but I am convinced that he can make it interesting and test Manny in a way that other fighters are not able to. Size is not the challenge for Manny, it is precision counter punching and all any of us are asking is that Manny test himself. Get away from Arum and his constant in house shenanigans and get Manny in there with fighters on a winning streak or else are unbeaten. Enough with these damaged or tainted fighters. It is doing nothing to enhance Manny's reputation.

With hindsight being 20/20 it's easy to come up with excuses why a guy wins. If I'm not mistaken you and I think most of this forum picked Hatton and Cotto to smash Pacquiao, but after Pacquiao wins it's they were damage, weight drain, shot, over the hill, and tainted, along with other myriad of excuses like Mayweather Sr. didn't do a good job of training or whoever that was training Cotto.

If it was Berto and Pacquiao won, it would have been he was too green. If it was Bradley and Pac won, it would have been Bradley was too small and green. And if Pac did fight JMM at 140 and he won, it would have been JMM was 37 and did'nt belong at 140 as an excuse. And more than likely the same people that would have wanted those fights and picking those guys to beat him would come out with the excuses I just made after Pac beats them.

I think that's how one acts like a boxing Nastradamus.

If Pacman beat Floyd, I'm going to say Floyd had to many distractions outside the ring. Or he was off to long without a fight and lose his sharpness.

[Julius Rain]

As far as Pac vs Bradley goes, I think people are getting way ahead of themselves on Bradley. IMO he is going to get stopped late against Alexander anyway

I think if JMM can handle the weight at 140, he beats Bradley.

I don't think Marquez needs to even beat the best at 140, but should be able to fight anyone ranked in the top 6 to get his shot at Pac. Just prove the weight is fine and the history between the two seals the deal. It's not as though Manny jumped up and fought the best at 135 and he wasn't facing the best fighter at WW when he fought Cotto at a CW, so Marquez should be entitled to simply face a credible fighter at 140 like Pac has been able to do in certain divisions. Then there is no reason for anyone to be against a Pac/Marquez fight at 140.

And like I say, I am not even sure that Marquez can beat him, but I am convinced that he can make it interesting and test Manny in a way that other fighters are not able to. Size is not the challenge for Manny, it is precision counter punching and all any of us are asking is that Manny test himself. Get away from Arum and his constant in house shenanigans and get Manny in there with fighters on a winning streak or else are unbeaten. Enough with these damaged or tainted fighters. It is doing nothing to enhance Manny's reputation.

I'm not saying he has to beat the best at 140, I'm just saying if he can handle the weight at 140 I believe he will beat Bradley.

Miles you can set your cross hire on any fighter and discredit their wins. You have such problems with the opponent pac faces but I thought I heard JMM will be fighting Morales next? You also seem to have miss my respond to your post a few pages back.

In the last two years JMM has wins over only two guys! Diaz and Katsidis. You like that better then a guy who has wins over Dela Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito? Those are in the last two years. Is your standard for other fighters that much lower or do you think pac should do even better?

[Gandalf]

As far as Pac vs Bradley goes, I think people are getting way ahead of themselves on Bradley. IMO he is going to get stopped late against Alexander anyway

I think if JMM can handle the weight at 140, he beats Bradley.

I don't think Marquez needs to even beat the best at 140, but should be able to fight anyone ranked in the top 6 to get his shot at Pac. Just prove the weight is fine and the history between the two seals the deal. It's not as though Manny jumped up and fought the best at 135 and he wasn't facing the best fighter at WW when he fought Cotto at a CW, so Marquez should be entitled to simply face a credible fighter at 140 like Pac has been able to do in certain divisions. Then there is no reason for anyone to be against a Pac/Marquez fight at 140.

And like I say, I am not even sure that Marquez can beat him, but I am convinced that he can make it interesting and test Manny in a way that other fighters are not able to. Size is not the challenge for Manny, it is precision counter punching and all any of us are asking is that Manny test himself. Get away from Arum and his constant in house shenanigans and get Manny in there with fighters on a winning streak or else are unbeaten. Enough with these damaged or tainted fighters. It is doing nothing to enhance Manny's reputation.

I'm not saying he has to beat the best at 140, I'm just saying if he can handle the weight at 140 I believe he will beat Bradley.

Bradley is the best at 140, so what the fuck are you talking about? Manny has never even gone there so why should Marquez? Because Manny only fights a certain kind of come forward fighter. He will avoid Bradley and of course he will avoid Marquez too.

But, you want to defend the Mosley fight? Pathetic.

[Julius Rain]

As far as Pac vs Bradley goes, I think people are getting way ahead of themselves on Bradley. IMO he is going to get stopped late against Alexander anyway

I think if JMM can handle the weight at 140, he beats Bradley.

I don't think Marquez needs to even beat the best at 140, but should be able to fight anyone ranked in the top 6 to get his shot at Pac. Just prove the weight is fine and the history between the two seals the deal. It's not as though Manny jumped up and fought the best at 135 and he wasn't facing the best fighter at WW when he fought Cotto at a CW, so Marquez should be entitled to simply face a credible fighter at 140 like Pac has been able to do in certain divisions. Then there is no reason for anyone to be against a Pac/Marquez fight at 140.

And like I say, I am not even sure that Marquez can beat him, but I am convinced that he can make it interesting and test Manny in a way that other fighters are not able to. Size is not the challenge for Manny, it is precision counter punching and all any of us are asking is that Manny test himself. Get away from Arum and his constant in house shenanigans and get Manny in there with fighters on a winning streak or else are unbeaten. Enough with these damaged or tainted fighters. It is doing nothing to enhance Manny's reputation.

I'm not saying he has to beat the best at 140, I'm just saying if he can handle the weight at 140 I believe he will beat Bradley.

Bradley is the best at 140, so what the fuck are you talking about? Manny has never even gone there so why should Marquez? Because Manny only fights a certain kind of come forward fighter. He will avoid Bradley and of course he will avoid Marquez too.

But, you want to defend the Mosley fight? Pathetic.

Last time Pac was at 140, he slaughter the lineal champion in 2 rounds. What part do you not understand, I said if JMM can handle the weight at 140 I think he beats Bradley weather you think Bradley is now the best there or not. I dont see anybody at 140 that can beat JMM if he can handle the weight. I dont have a problem with the fact that a third match between pac and jmm is not happening because like I said I would like to see JMM fight at 140 first, which I believe he will win. Therefor giving more value to a fight with pac at 140.

I am not defending the Mosley fight, I called it a gimmie, stay busy, money making fight, remember?

How are you suppose to defend JMM if he fights Morales?

[Kev]

As far as Pac vs Bradley goes, I think people are getting way ahead of themselves on Bradley. IMO he is going to get stopped late against Alexander anyway

I think if JMM can handle the weight at 140, he beats Bradley.

I don't think Marquez needs to even beat the best at 140, but should be able to fight anyone ranked in the top 6 to get his shot at Pac. Just prove the weight is fine and the history between the two seals the deal. It's not as though Manny jumped up and fought the best at 135 and he wasn't facing the best fighter at WW when he fought Cotto at a CW, so Marquez should be entitled to simply face a credible fighter at 140 like Pac has been able to do in certain divisions. Then there is no reason for anyone to be against a Pac/Marquez fight at 140.

And like I say, I am not even sure that Marquez can beat him, but I am convinced that he can make it interesting and test Manny in a way that other fighters are not able to. Size is not the challenge for Manny, it is precision counter punching and all any of us are asking is that Manny test himself. Get away from Arum and his constant in house shenanigans and get Manny in there with fighters on a winning streak or else are unbeaten. Enough with these damaged or tainted fighters. It is doing nothing to enhance Manny's reputation.

I'm not saying he has to beat the best at 140, I'm just saying if he can handle the weight at 140 I believe he will beat Bradley.

Bradley is the best at 140, so what the fuck are you talking about? Manny has never even gone there so why should Marquez? Because Manny only fights a certain kind of come forward fighter. He will avoid Bradley and of course he will avoid Marquez too.

But, you want to defend the Mosley fight? Pathetic.

Manny did go there, he knocked out the long time Ring undisputed champion at the weight Ricky Hatton in two blistering rounds.

Thenew guys like Bradley, Alexander, Khan etc are fighting to establish themselves as the next Ring champ following on from Hatton. Right now they are all challengers rather than the true champ.

But Hatton was unquestionably the light welterweight king and Manny smashed him.

[hardcore_crash]

In the last two years JMM has wins over only two guys! Diaz and Katsidis. You like that better then a guy who has wins over Dela Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito? Those are in the last two years. Is your standard for other fighters that much lower or do you think pac should do even better?

JMM fought Pacquiao, then moved up to 135 to chase Manny ( Manny fought a paper champ) defeated the Ring lineal LW champion, defended it in a FOTY, moved up to face Mayweather, moved back down to rematch his opponent for the previous FOTY, and defends it against his mandatory in another possible FOTY...

[Julius Rain]

In the last two years JMM has wins over only two guys! Diaz and Katsidis. You like that better then a guy who has wins over Dela Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito? Those are in the last two years. Is your standard for other fighters that much lower or do you think pac should do even better?

JMM fought Pacquiao, then moved up to 135 to chase Manny ( Manny fought a paper champ) defeated the Ring lineal LW champion, defended it in a FOTY, moved up to face Mayweather, moved back down to rematch his opponent for the previous FOTY, and defends it against his mandatory in another possible FOTY...

You find that better than what Pac has done?

I bet you're going to say yes

In two years he has wins only against two guys, Diaz and Katsidis. If he fights and gets destroyed by pac, thats exactly what you will use as an excuse to discredit pacs victory.