Pacquiao-Mosley done deal

[Julius Rain]

As far as Pac vs Bradley goes, I think people are getting way ahead of themselves on Bradley. IMO he is going to get stopped late against Alexander anyway

I think if JMM can handle the weight at 140, he beats Bradley.

[Gandalf]

As far as Pac vs Bradley goes, I think people are getting way ahead of themselves on Bradley. IMO he is going to get stopped late against Alexander anyway

I think if JMM can handle the weight at 140, he beats Bradley.

I don't think Marquez needs to even beat the best at 140, but should be able to fight anyone ranked in the top 6 to get his shot at Pac. Just prove the weight is fine and the history between the two seals the deal. It's not as though Manny jumped up and fought the best at 135 and he wasn't facing the best fighter at WW when he fought Cotto at a CW, so Marquez should be entitled to simply face a credible fighter at 140 like Pac has been able to do in certain divisions. Then there is no reason for anyone to be against a Pac/Marquez fight at 140.

And like I say, I am not even sure that Marquez can beat him, but I am convinced that he can make it interesting and test Manny in a way that other fighters are not able to. Size is not the challenge for Manny, it is precision counter punching and all any of us are asking is that Manny test himself. Get away from Arum and his constant in house shenanigans and get Manny in there with fighters on a winning streak or else are unbeaten. Enough with these damaged or tainted fighters. It is doing nothing to enhance Manny's reputation.

[generalbulldog]

As far as Pac vs Bradley goes, I think people are getting way ahead of themselves on Bradley. IMO he is going to get stopped late against Alexander anyway

I think if JMM can handle the weight at 140, he beats Bradley.

I don't think Marquez needs to even beat the best at 140, but should be able to fight anyone ranked in the top 6 to get his shot at Pac. Just prove the weight is fine and the history between the two seals the deal. It's not as though Manny jumped up and fought the best at 135 and he wasn't facing the best fighter at WW when he fought Cotto at a CW, so Marquez should be entitled to simply face a credible fighter at 140 like Pac has been able to do in certain divisions. Then there is no reason for anyone to be against a Pac/Marquez fight at 140.

And like I say, I am not even sure that Marquez can beat him, but I am convinced that he can make it interesting and test Manny in a way that other fighters are not able to. Size is not the challenge for Manny, it is precision counter punching and all any of us are asking is that Manny test himself. Get away from Arum and his constant in house shenanigans and get Manny in there with fighters on a winning streak or else are unbeaten. Enough with these damaged or tainted fighters. It is doing nothing to enhance Manny's reputation.

With hindsight being 20/20 it's easy to come up with excuses why a guy wins. If I'm not mistaken you and I think most of this forum picked Hatton and Cotto to smash Pacquiao, but after Pacquiao wins it's they were damage, weight drain, shot, over the hill, and tainted, along with other myriad of excuses like Mayweather Sr. didn't do a good job of training or whoever that was training Cotto.

If it was Berto and Pacquiao won, it would have been he was too green. If it was Bradley and Pac won, it would have been Bradley was too small and green. And if Pac did fight JMM at 140 and he won, it would have been JMM was 37 and did'nt belong at 140 as an excuse. And more than likely the same people that would have wanted those fights and picking those guys to beat him would come out with the excuses I just made after Pac beats them.

I think that's how one acts like a boxing Nastradamus.

[Master]

I was the same, but Manny Pac beat the hell out of any opponent I favoured. You just have to accept he is a remarkable fighter. The Marg fight was amazing to watch and I really think he is beyond JMM.

[fan johnny]

I was the same, but Manny Pac beat the hell out of any opponent I favoured. You just have to accept he is a remarkable fighter. The Marg fight was amazing to watch and I really think he is beyond JMM.

I have that fight recorded and have watched it a few times now. Most people don't realize how competitive Margarito was in the fight all the way up to round 10. Every time Margarito started getting somewhere against Pacquiao, Pacquiao would turn on the punch wheel and just wipe out what ever Margarito did scoring wise.

[Gandalf]

I was the same, but Manny Pac beat the hell out of any opponent I favoured. You just have to accept he is a remarkable fighter. The Marg fight was amazing to watch and I really think he is beyond JMM.

I have that fight recorded and have watched it a few times now. Most people don't realize how competitive Margarito was in the fight all the way up to round 10. Every time Margarito started getting somewhere against Pacquiao, Pacquiao would turn on the punch wheel and just wipe out what ever Margarito did scoring wise.

I respect Margarito for trying to make the fight, unlike Clottey. He would take 2 to land his 1. You also have to consider that Margarito had a broken face after 4 and couldn't see for a large part of the fight.

That is why I struggle to see Mosley making an impact, he cannot throw 800+ punches and he doesn't have Margarito's legs and relative youth.

[GAME]

I was the same, but Manny Pac beat the hell out of any opponent I favoured. You just have to accept he is a remarkable fighter. The Marg fight was amazing to watch and I really think he is beyond JMM.

I have that fight recorded and have watched it a few times now. Most people don't realize how competitive Margarito was in the fight all the way up to round 10. Every time Margarito started getting somewhere against Pacquiao, Pacquiao would turn on the punch wheel and just wipe out what ever Margarito did scoring wise.

I respect Margarito for trying to make the fight, unlike Clottey. He would take 2 to land his 1. You also have to consider that Margarito had a broken face after 4 and couldn't see for a large part of the fight.

That is why I struggle to see Mosley making an impact, he cannot throw 800+ punches and he doesn't have Margarito's legs and relative youth.

Or weight advantage. . . . . If Marg wasnt so much bigger than Pac I think he would have been out of there in 3 or 4 rounds. But his size got him through the rough patches and helped carry him through that fight. I think Pac was 1 sustained attack away from stopping Marg throughout that fight. Whenever he was on the brink of stopping Tony, he would just get back to his boxing and the gameplan.

Although it was a physically demanding fight for Pac I disagree that Marg came close to winning. He landed 1 punch that caused a reaction which was a body shot in round 6. Thats it. Apart from that I dont think he ever had Pac in any trouble. He was always on top of the action controlling the Mexican. He had to dig deep but was always in the driving seat.

Mosley has a good left hook to the body and as Freddie said, Mosley will attack in a more considered way than Tony. He has that touch of class in his boxing Tony didnt and is a bigger banger too. The advantage Tony had over Pac was height and weight but Shane hasnt really got that and as ever speed kills. That will be the deciding factor. Shane at 40 just wont be quick enough when it matters.

[KananKrus]

I was the same, but Manny Pac beat the hell out of any opponent I favoured. You just have to accept he is a remarkable fighter. The Marg fight was amazing to watch and I really think he is beyond JMM.

I have that fight recorded and have watched it a few times now. Most people don't realize how competitive Margarito was in the fight all the way up to round 10. Every time Margarito started getting somewhere against Pacquiao, Pacquiao would turn on the punch wheel and just wipe out what ever Margarito did scoring wise.

Just to add...(IMHO)

The Margarito that showed up to face Pacquiao is a much better prepared fighter than the version that have faced Sugar Shane Mosley. Tony's stamina on that November 13th fight was superb, his jabs and uppercuts were effective, and his counters against a side to side Pac and the cutting of the ring was next to none. It would not be a surprise if this version would have performed better in the fight with Mosley.

His trainer Robert Garcia deserve credit on that note but certainly likewise deserve stiff admonishment for allowing his fighter to foolishly continue on despite being fully aware of the futility in outcome and an endangerment in health involved for Tony in having done so.

Boxing on Youtube: UPDATE: Antonio Margarito's injury from the Manny Pacquiao fight

The terrible thing mostly gone unnoticed was the remarkable skill level needed to defeat a determined version of Margarito that gave no quarters and fought tooth and nail. That one had no quit and certainly no surrender. It’s a shame how the referee, Lawrence Cole, allowed that kind of a beating to progress.

How valiant those two protagonists fought! Pac showed a well above in rudimentary skill to overcome this tough one, and in Tony, an unbelievable spunk and will to win, to keep on trying despite the evident futility.

I believe some fans have gotten a bit spoiled, a bit numb in under appreciating this fight. They thought they saw just an OK fight, nothing out of the ordinary... Wrong! Pac and Tony were both in a life and death situation just to bring that fight on.

Jerry Jones who owns among others, the "Dallas Cowboys" and the billion dollar plus stadium where this football franchise play and where on this night, the fight took place, got it right on the dot... he had fully appreciated what had transpired... the fierce battle that took place, the significance it entailed, the fighters gracing and honoring his venue with their blood, sweat, and tears. It had moved him well enough to whisper in Tony Margarito's ears... that in him, Tony had a friend for life!

[Master]

You are right Marg was one or two shots away from victory.

[Ant Live]

As far as Pac vs Bradley goes, I think people are getting way ahead of themselves on Bradley. IMO he is going to get stopped late against Alexander anyway

I think if JMM can handle the weight at 140, he beats Bradley.

I don't think Marquez needs to even beat the best at 140, but should be able to fight anyone ranked in the top 6 to get his shot at Pac. Just prove the weight is fine and the history between the two seals the deal. It's not as though Manny jumped up and fought the best at 135 and he wasn't facing the best fighter at WW when he fought Cotto at a CW, so Marquez should be entitled to simply face a credible fighter at 140 like Pac has been able to do in certain divisions. Then there is no reason for anyone to be against a Pac/Marquez fight at 140.

And like I say, I am not even sure that Marquez can beat him, but I am convinced that he can make it interesting and test Manny in a way that other fighters are not able to. Size is not the challenge for Manny, it is precision counter punching and all any of us are asking is that Manny test himself. Get away from Arum and his constant in house shenanigans and get Manny in there with fighters on a winning streak or else are unbeaten. Enough with these damaged or tainted fighters. It is doing nothing to enhance Manny's reputation.

With hindsight being 20/20 it's easy to come up with excuses why a guy wins. If I'm not mistaken you and I think most of this forum picked Hatton and Cotto to smash Pacquiao, but after Pacquiao wins it's they were damage, weight drain, shot, over the hill, and tainted, along with other myriad of excuses like Mayweather Sr. didn't do a good job of training or whoever that was training Cotto.

If it was Berto and Pacquiao won, it would have been he was too green. If it was Bradley and Pac won, it would have been Bradley was too small and green. And if Pac did fight JMM at 140 and he won, it would have been JMM was 37 and did'nt belong at 140 as an excuse. And more than likely the same people that would have wanted those fights and picking those guys to beat him would come out with the excuses I just made after Pac beats them.

I think that's how one acts like a boxing Nastradamus.

If Pacman beat Floyd, I'm going to say Floyd had to many distractions outside the ring. Or he was off to long without a fight and lose his sharpness.

[Julius Rain]

As far as Pac vs Bradley goes, I think people are getting way ahead of themselves on Bradley. IMO he is going to get stopped late against Alexander anyway

I think if JMM can handle the weight at 140, he beats Bradley.

I don't think Marquez needs to even beat the best at 140, but should be able to fight anyone ranked in the top 6 to get his shot at Pac. Just prove the weight is fine and the history between the two seals the deal. It's not as though Manny jumped up and fought the best at 135 and he wasn't facing the best fighter at WW when he fought Cotto at a CW, so Marquez should be entitled to simply face a credible fighter at 140 like Pac has been able to do in certain divisions. Then there is no reason for anyone to be against a Pac/Marquez fight at 140.

And like I say, I am not even sure that Marquez can beat him, but I am convinced that he can make it interesting and test Manny in a way that other fighters are not able to. Size is not the challenge for Manny, it is precision counter punching and all any of us are asking is that Manny test himself. Get away from Arum and his constant in house shenanigans and get Manny in there with fighters on a winning streak or else are unbeaten. Enough with these damaged or tainted fighters. It is doing nothing to enhance Manny's reputation.

I'm not saying he has to beat the best at 140, I'm just saying if he can handle the weight at 140 I believe he will beat Bradley.

Miles you can set your cross hire on any fighter and discredit their wins. You have such problems with the opponent pac faces but I thought I heard JMM will be fighting Morales next? You also seem to have miss my respond to your post a few pages back.

In the last two years JMM has wins over only two guys! Diaz and Katsidis. You like that better then a guy who has wins over Dela Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito? Those are in the last two years. Is your standard for other fighters that much lower or do you think pac should do even better?

[Gandalf]

As far as Pac vs Bradley goes, I think people are getting way ahead of themselves on Bradley. IMO he is going to get stopped late against Alexander anyway

I think if JMM can handle the weight at 140, he beats Bradley.

I don't think Marquez needs to even beat the best at 140, but should be able to fight anyone ranked in the top 6 to get his shot at Pac. Just prove the weight is fine and the history between the two seals the deal. It's not as though Manny jumped up and fought the best at 135 and he wasn't facing the best fighter at WW when he fought Cotto at a CW, so Marquez should be entitled to simply face a credible fighter at 140 like Pac has been able to do in certain divisions. Then there is no reason for anyone to be against a Pac/Marquez fight at 140.

And like I say, I am not even sure that Marquez can beat him, but I am convinced that he can make it interesting and test Manny in a way that other fighters are not able to. Size is not the challenge for Manny, it is precision counter punching and all any of us are asking is that Manny test himself. Get away from Arum and his constant in house shenanigans and get Manny in there with fighters on a winning streak or else are unbeaten. Enough with these damaged or tainted fighters. It is doing nothing to enhance Manny's reputation.

I'm not saying he has to beat the best at 140, I'm just saying if he can handle the weight at 140 I believe he will beat Bradley.

Bradley is the best at 140, so what the fuck are you talking about? Manny has never even gone there so why should Marquez? Because Manny only fights a certain kind of come forward fighter. He will avoid Bradley and of course he will avoid Marquez too.

But, you want to defend the Mosley fight? Pathetic.

[Julius Rain]

As far as Pac vs Bradley goes, I think people are getting way ahead of themselves on Bradley. IMO he is going to get stopped late against Alexander anyway

I think if JMM can handle the weight at 140, he beats Bradley.

I don't think Marquez needs to even beat the best at 140, but should be able to fight anyone ranked in the top 6 to get his shot at Pac. Just prove the weight is fine and the history between the two seals the deal. It's not as though Manny jumped up and fought the best at 135 and he wasn't facing the best fighter at WW when he fought Cotto at a CW, so Marquez should be entitled to simply face a credible fighter at 140 like Pac has been able to do in certain divisions. Then there is no reason for anyone to be against a Pac/Marquez fight at 140.

And like I say, I am not even sure that Marquez can beat him, but I am convinced that he can make it interesting and test Manny in a way that other fighters are not able to. Size is not the challenge for Manny, it is precision counter punching and all any of us are asking is that Manny test himself. Get away from Arum and his constant in house shenanigans and get Manny in there with fighters on a winning streak or else are unbeaten. Enough with these damaged or tainted fighters. It is doing nothing to enhance Manny's reputation.

I'm not saying he has to beat the best at 140, I'm just saying if he can handle the weight at 140 I believe he will beat Bradley.

Bradley is the best at 140, so what the fuck are you talking about? Manny has never even gone there so why should Marquez? Because Manny only fights a certain kind of come forward fighter. He will avoid Bradley and of course he will avoid Marquez too.

But, you want to defend the Mosley fight? Pathetic.

Last time Pac was at 140, he slaughter the lineal champion in 2 rounds. What part do you not understand, I said if JMM can handle the weight at 140 I think he beats Bradley weather you think Bradley is now the best there or not. I dont see anybody at 140 that can beat JMM if he can handle the weight. I dont have a problem with the fact that a third match between pac and jmm is not happening because like I said I would like to see JMM fight at 140 first, which I believe he will win. Therefor giving more value to a fight with pac at 140.

I am not defending the Mosley fight, I called it a gimmie, stay busy, money making fight, remember?

How are you suppose to defend JMM if he fights Morales?

[bzkfn]

As far as Pac vs Bradley goes, I think people are getting way ahead of themselves on Bradley. IMO he is going to get stopped late against Alexander anyway

I think if JMM can handle the weight at 140, he beats Bradley.

I don't think Marquez needs to even beat the best at 140, but should be able to fight anyone ranked in the top 6 to get his shot at Pac. Just prove the weight is fine and the history between the two seals the deal. It's not as though Manny jumped up and fought the best at 135 and he wasn't facing the best fighter at WW when he fought Cotto at a CW, so Marquez should be entitled to simply face a credible fighter at 140 like Pac has been able to do in certain divisions. Then there is no reason for anyone to be against a Pac/Marquez fight at 140.

And like I say, I am not even sure that Marquez can beat him, but I am convinced that he can make it interesting and test Manny in a way that other fighters are not able to. Size is not the challenge for Manny, it is precision counter punching and all any of us are asking is that Manny test himself. Get away from Arum and his constant in house shenanigans and get Manny in there with fighters on a winning streak or else are unbeaten. Enough with these damaged or tainted fighters. It is doing nothing to enhance Manny's reputation.

I'm not saying he has to beat the best at 140, I'm just saying if he can handle the weight at 140 I believe he will beat Bradley.

Bradley is the best at 140, so what the fuck are you talking about? Manny has never even gone there so why should Marquez? Because Manny only fights a certain kind of come forward fighter. He will avoid Bradley and of course he will avoid Marquez too.

But, you want to defend the Mosley fight? Pathetic.

Last time Pac was at 140, he slaughter the lineal champion in 2 rounds. What part do you not understand, I said if JMM can handle the weight at 140 I think he beats Bradley weather you think Bradley is now the best there or not. I dont see anybody at 140 that can beat JMM if he can handle the weight. I dont have a problem with the fact that a third match between pac and jmm is not happening because like I said I would like to see JMM fight at 140 first, which I believe he will win. Therefor giving more value to a fight with pac at 140.

I am not defending the Mosley fight, I called it a gimmie, stay busy, money making fight, remember?

How are you suppose to defend JMM if he fights Morales?

If you check the Marquez-Morales thread, you'll see he doesn't defend it. None of us can. Marquez & Pacquiao should be fighting each other, rather than the opponents they have chosen.

[Kev]

As far as Pac vs Bradley goes, I think people are getting way ahead of themselves on Bradley. IMO he is going to get stopped late against Alexander anyway

I think if JMM can handle the weight at 140, he beats Bradley.

I don't think Marquez needs to even beat the best at 140, but should be able to fight anyone ranked in the top 6 to get his shot at Pac. Just prove the weight is fine and the history between the two seals the deal. It's not as though Manny jumped up and fought the best at 135 and he wasn't facing the best fighter at WW when he fought Cotto at a CW, so Marquez should be entitled to simply face a credible fighter at 140 like Pac has been able to do in certain divisions. Then there is no reason for anyone to be against a Pac/Marquez fight at 140.

And like I say, I am not even sure that Marquez can beat him, but I am convinced that he can make it interesting and test Manny in a way that other fighters are not able to. Size is not the challenge for Manny, it is precision counter punching and all any of us are asking is that Manny test himself. Get away from Arum and his constant in house shenanigans and get Manny in there with fighters on a winning streak or else are unbeaten. Enough with these damaged or tainted fighters. It is doing nothing to enhance Manny's reputation.

I'm not saying he has to beat the best at 140, I'm just saying if he can handle the weight at 140 I believe he will beat Bradley.

Bradley is the best at 140, so what the fuck are you talking about? Manny has never even gone there so why should Marquez? Because Manny only fights a certain kind of come forward fighter. He will avoid Bradley and of course he will avoid Marquez too.

But, you want to defend the Mosley fight? Pathetic.

Manny did go there, he knocked out the long time Ring undisputed champion at the weight Ricky Hatton in two blistering rounds.

Thenew guys like Bradley, Alexander, Khan etc are fighting to establish themselves as the next Ring champ following on from Hatton. Right now they are all challengers rather than the true champ.

But Hatton was unquestionably the light welterweight king and Manny smashed him.