Top 5 P4P Now?

[:::PSL:::]

MY personal top 5 p4p does not include Floyd Mayweather.

(collective sigh of disbelief from Mayweather fans)

I just don't think that having fought the overrated Hatton, undersized JMM, and over-the-hill Mosley in about 3 1/2 frigging years is action enough to warrant a top 5 p4p ranking for the Pretty Boy. (Even RJJ himself was calling him inactive during last night's telecast.... and he LIKES Floyd).

That being said, let the insults rain, and the booing begin........

If you are removing him from the ratings altogether on the grounds that he is inactive/retired then it's a fair position to hold, although for myself I still have him at two as he's not not publicly retired.

If you're saying you have him further down your list however and just don't think his current opposition is worthy of a top 5 placement then that is the most retarded thing I've heard on Saddo's this week at least, certainly since Seanie's plan to get doctor's to lead the protests for better fight matchups

Then it's the former.


No, seriously... it's both. But Seanie's plan is STILL way more retarded. C'mon... you're still carrying Pretty Boy's torch even though he's done little in the last 3+ years to deserve it? Seriously? I mean... p4p should be based on recent accomplishments and on that basis alone. Are you honestly going to defend PBF's record in the last 3+ years as worthy of p4p? How long are you Floyd fans going to carry his jock... er... torch? C'mon!! The guy's dangling you fans on a string and playing you like yo-yo's. Look at his recent resume again:

Hatton - Enough said about that.
JMM - A true ATG... just not at the weight he fought Floyd. He was in WAY over his head.
Mosley - The guy aged before our very eyes.

What else has he done? Well.... besides dancing with the stars and wrestling Big Show. He's beaten up women and security guards... but those don't count for p4p ratings. What has he done? He ain't done JACK. All he does is run at the mouth, and... frankly... some of us are damn tired of it.

P4P? Not for this boxing fan.

Well hang on he's beat Oscar, Hatton, Marquez and Mosley. Manny has beat Oscar, Hatton, Marquez (controversially) and is next to fight Mosley.

Every guy he beat, he beat after Floyd had already beaten them, apart from Marquez and a large majority think he lost.

So you either a) also don't have Pacquiao in the top 5 either

or b) You rate Manny's wins over Clottey and Margarito as being so much more significant that they justify his inclusion in the top 5.

Either way you are challenging Seanie for the 'tard thought' of the week

Mayweather's win over Dela Hoya was questionable too, and Pac destroyed Dela Hoya. Plus Pac did way quicker job against Hatton than Floyd did.

Mayweather is just a part time fighter. And there's no denying the fact that Mayweather avoided Margarito. That makes him a big pussy.

[CFH]

MY personal top 5 p4p does not include Floyd Mayweather.

(collective sigh of disbelief from Mayweather fans)

I just don't think that having fought the overrated Hatton, undersized JMM, and over-the-hill Mosley in about 3 1/2 frigging years is action enough to warrant a top 5 p4p ranking for the Pretty Boy. (Even RJJ himself was calling him inactive during last night's telecast.... and he LIKES Floyd).

That being said, let the insults rain, and the booing begin........

If you are removing him from the ratings altogether on the grounds that he is inactive/retired then it's a fair position to hold, although for myself I still have him at two as he's not not publicly retired.

If you're saying you have him further down your list however and just don't think his current opposition is worthy of a top 5 placement then that is the most retarded thing I've heard on Saddo's this week at least, certainly since Seanie's plan to get doctor's to lead the protests for better fight matchups

Then it's the former.


No, seriously... it's both. But Seanie's plan is STILL way more retarded. C'mon... you're still carrying Pretty Boy's torch even though he's done little in the last 3+ years to deserve it? Seriously? I mean... p4p should be based on recent accomplishments and on that basis alone. Are you honestly going to defend PBF's record in the last 3+ years as worthy of p4p? How long are you Floyd fans going to carry his jock... er... torch? C'mon!! The guy's dangling you fans on a string and playing you like yo-yo's. Look at his recent resume again:

Hatton - Enough said about that.
JMM - A true ATG... just not at the weight he fought Floyd. He was in WAY over his head.
Mosley - The guy aged before our very eyes.

What else has he done? Well.... besides dancing with the stars and wrestling Big Show. He's beaten up women and security guards... but those don't count for p4p ratings. What has he done? He ain't done JACK. All he does is run at the mouth, and... frankly... some of us are damn tired of it.

P4P? Not for this boxing fan.

Well hang on he's beat Oscar, Hatton, Marquez and Mosley. Manny has beat Oscar, Hatton, Marquez (controversially) and is next to fight Mosley.

Every guy he beat, he beat after Floyd had already beaten them, apart from Marquez and a large majority think he lost.

So you either a) also don't have Pacquiao in the top 5 either

or b) You rate Manny's wins over Clottey and Margarito as being so much more significant that they justify his inclusion in the top 5.

Either way you are challenging Seanie for the 'tard thought' of the week

Mayweather's win over Dela Hoya was questionable too, and Pac destroyed Dela Hoya. Plus Pac did way quicker job against Hatton than Floyd did.

Mayweather is just a part time fighter. And there's no denying the fact that Mayweather avoided Margarito. That makes him a big pussy.

There was nothing questionable about Mayweather's win over ODH.

[C-Lo]

Just to put it out there. The pound for pound ratings just got updated. Here it is:

1. Manny
2. Floyd
3. Nonito
4. Sergio
5. Juan Manuel

[Kev]

Just to put it out there. The pound for pound ratings just got updated. Here it is:

1. Manny
2. Floyd
3. Nonito
4. Sergio
5. Juan Manuel

Fucking hell I thought it was bad enough that Donaire had jumped to 3 but they seem to want to court as much controversy as possible.

Wonjongkam at number 6 (really??), Wlad at 7 and Giovani Segura at 10

Utterly bizarre.


Is there really the competition at 108lbs to justify being rated in the top 10 p4p?

There is so so so much more strength in depth in the lightweight-welterweight and super middleweight classes that I can only see this is some kind of political point, positive discrimination .

Calderon for all his skills would not have been successful were he a welterweight as he simply does not have the power. Super skilful guy but he did so well because he fought in a weak division where you don't need to be a complete fighter to be the best.

Segura is simply not as good a fighter as higher weight guys like Martinez, Ward, Froch, Hopkins, Marquez, Lopez, Bradley, Khan etc etc. He's champ in a weak division.

It's like being the undisputed woman's middleweight champ or something, yeah it's good and all, but you don't need to be as complete a fighter to win that as you would the men's middleweight title.

The Ring are losing my respect.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Just to put it out there. The pound for pound ratings just got updated. Here it is:

1. Manny
2. Floyd
3. Nonito
4. Sergio
5. Juan Manuel

Fucking hell I thought it was bad enough that Donaire had jumped to 3 but they seem to want to court as much controversy as possible.

Wonjongkam at number 6 (really??), Wlad at 7 and Giovani Segura at 10

Utterly bizarre.


Is there really the competition at 108lbs to justify being rated in the top 10 p4p?

There is so so so much more strength in depth in the lightweight-welterweight and super middleweight classes that I can only see this is some kind of political point, positive discrimination .

Calderon for all his skills would not have been successful were he a welterweight as he simply does not have the power. Super skilful guy but he did so well because he fought in a weak division where you don't need to be a complete fighter to be the best.

Segura is simply not as good a fighter as higher weight guys like Martinez, Ward, Froch, Hopkins, Marquez, Lopez, Bradley, Khan etc etc. He's champ in a weak division.

It's like being the undisputed woman's middleweight champ or something, yeah it's good and all, but you don't need to be as complete a fighter to win that as you would the men's middleweight title.

The Ring are losing my respect.

Bilbo that's utter bullshit, Malignaggi has zero power and is nowhere as skilled as Calderon, his combination punching, defense and movement would have led him to be successful at any weight if his size was different

[KKisser]

Just to put it out there. The pound for pound ratings just got updated. Here it is:

1. Manny
2. Floyd
3. Nonito
4. Sergio
5. Juan Manuel

Fucking hell I thought it was bad enough that Donaire had jumped to 3 but they seem to want to court as much controversy as possible.

Wonjongkam at number 6 (really??), Wlad at 7 and Giovani Segura at 10

Utterly bizarre.


Is there really the competition at 108lbs to justify being rated in the top 10 p4p?

There is so so so much more strength in depth in the lightweight-welterweight and super middleweight classes that I can only see this is some kind of political point, positive discrimination .

Calderon for all his skills would not have been successful were he a welterweight as he simply does not have the power. Super skilful guy but he did so well because he fought in a weak division where you don't need to be a complete fighter to be the best.

Segura is simply not as good a fighter as higher weight guys like Martinez, Ward, Froch, Hopkins, Marquez, Lopez, Bradley, Khan etc etc. He's champ in a weak division.

It's like being the undisputed woman's middleweight champ or something, yeah it's good and all, but you don't need to be as complete a fighter to win that as you would the men's middleweight title.

The Ring are losing my respect.

Bilbo that's utter bullshit, Malignaggi has zero power and is nowhere as skilled as Calderon, his combination punching, defense and movement would have led him to be successful at any weight if his size was different

i agree, and segura stopping calderon who's perennially been in most p4p lists prior to their meeting delivers a compelling reason why he should be in the top 10, although personally i would have him just outside of it.

[Kev]

Just to put it out there. The pound for pound ratings just got updated. Here it is:

1. Manny
2. Floyd
3. Nonito
4. Sergio
5. Juan Manuel

Fucking hell I thought it was bad enough that Donaire had jumped to 3 but they seem to want to court as much controversy as possible.

Wonjongkam at number 6 (really??), Wlad at 7 and Giovani Segura at 10

Utterly bizarre.


Is there really the competition at 108lbs to justify being rated in the top 10 p4p?

There is so so so much more strength in depth in the lightweight-welterweight and super middleweight classes that I can only see this is some kind of political point, positive discrimination .

Calderon for all his skills would not have been successful were he a welterweight as he simply does not have the power. Super skilful guy but he did so well because he fought in a weak division where you don't need to be a complete fighter to be the best.

Segura is simply not as good a fighter as higher weight guys like Martinez, Ward, Froch, Hopkins, Marquez, Lopez, Bradley, Khan etc etc. He's champ in a weak division.

It's like being the undisputed woman's middleweight champ or something, yeah it's good and all, but you don't need to be as complete a fighter to win that as you would the men's middleweight title.

The Ring are losing my respect.

Bilbo that's utter bullshit, Malignaggi has zero power and is nowhere as skilled as Calderon, his combination punching, defense and movement would have led him to be successful at any weight if his size was different

Mallignaggi is actually a good reference imo. Decent boxer but not close to the elite guys. If Calderon had been a welter I don't think he beats the tops guys like Floyd, Mosley, Cotto, Berto etc. He has all the skills, but simply not enough power. I stand by that. He would still be a good and respected fighter, just not p4p.

Who has Calderon ever beat that was as good as Andre Berto even?

Just do a quick boxrec check of all the pro's

There are 311 Straw weight fighters compared to 1398 at welterweight

Please explain mathematically how the straw weight guys can have as much strength in depth as the welterweights?

plus the vast majority of the smallest guys are part timers as well.

There are 1000 more fighters at welterweight to overcome. It's mathematically impossible for the competition to be as high and it's clear to see. Guys like Hugo Cazares would never get a world title in the more competitive divisions.

It's a fact that you need to be a more complete fighter to win one of the stacked weight classes than you would the straw weight division.

[erics44]

Martinez isnt top 5 lb4lb fighter in the world

he is a very good fighter but hasnt done enough to be top 5

geeky i know but i have just boxrecced his last 5 fights

Williams W KO 2
Pavlik W UD
Williams L MD
Cintron D
Bunema W RTD 8

there are many boxers with better records in their last 5 fights

[generalbulldog]

Just to put it out there. The pound for pound ratings just got updated. Here it is:

1. Manny
2. Floyd
3. Nonito
4. Sergio
5. Juan Manuel

Fucking hell I thought it was bad enough that Donaire had jumped to 3 but they seem to want to court as much controversy as possible.

Wonjongkam at number 6 (really??), Wlad at 7 and Giovani Segura at 10

Utterly bizarre.


Is there really the competition at 108lbs to justify being rated in the top 10 p4p?

There is so so so much more strength in depth in the lightweight-welterweight and super middleweight classes that I can only see this is some kind of political point, positive discrimination .

Calderon for all his skills would not have been successful were he a welterweight as he simply does not have the power. Super skilful guy but he did so well because he fought in a weak division where you don't need to be a complete fighter to be the best.

Segura is simply not as good a fighter as higher weight guys like Martinez, Ward, Froch, Hopkins, Marquez, Lopez, Bradley, Khan etc etc. He's champ in a weak division.

It's like being the undisputed woman's middleweight champ or something, yeah it's good and all, but you don't need to be as complete a fighter to win that as you would the men's middleweight title.

The Ring are losing my respect.

Bilbo that's utter bullshit, Malignaggi has zero power and is nowhere as skilled as Calderon, his combination punching, defense and movement would have led him to be successful at any weight if his size was different

Mallignaggi is actually a good reference imo. Decent boxer but not close to the elite guys. If Calderon had been a welter I don't think he beats the tops guys like Floyd, Mosley, Cotto, Berto etc. He has all the skills, but simply not enough power. I stand by that. He would still be a good and respected fighter, just not p4p.

Who has Calderon ever beat that was as good as Andre Berto even?

Just do a quick boxrec check of all the pro's

There are 311 Straw weight fighters compared to 1398 at welterweight

Please explain mathematically how the straw weight guys can have as much strength in depth as the welterweights?

plus the vast majority of the smallest guys are part timers as well.

There are 1000 more fighters at welterweight to overcome. It's mathematically impossible for the competition to be as high and it's clear to see. Guys like Hugo Cazares would never get a world title in the more competitive divisions.

It's a fact that you need to be a more complete fighter to win one of the stacked weight classes than you would the straw weight division.

I have to say you make an excellent point. Calderon wouldn't have what it takes to beat Mayweather, Pacman, Berto, Mosley, etc. In fact looking at boxing history the welterweight division has been the deepest in terms of talent, it's been like that for every generation if one were to think about it.

This is why when people compared the careers of say Ricardo Lopez and Sugar Ray Leonard, Leonard wins by a landslide. Lopez does look like the perfect fighter, but his level of competition pales in comparison to Leonard's so maybe that's why he looks so invincible. If Lopez was to take Leonard's place and fought Tommy Hearns, Duran, Benitez, at welterweight I don't think he comes out unscathed with a perfect career record that he has. But if you were to put Leonard as a strawweight I would put my money on it he goes undefeated.

This is why I think they should get rid of some of the lower weights to make it more competitive. Get rid of strawweight and jr. flyweight and start at flyweight (112) as the lowest weight class, probably get rid of the 115 lb weight class also. This would increase the level of competition imo. Too many damn weight classes which dilutes the level of competition.

And yeah I do agree Calderon would probably be another Paulie Maglinaggi if he was an welterweight. Great boxing ability but crappy power to hurt Mosley, Floyd, Pacman, etc.