Haye v Klitschko is on official .........apparently

[generalbulldog]

This is what will likely happen if the 2 fights. Massive amount of shit talking from both sides to stir up the fight, it probably will get mainstream attention and then billed as the biggest fight in boxing for the unified HW championship, HBO or Showtime will pick it up.

But then once both gets in the ring. Wlad is going to paw with his left or jab, jab, jab, tries to land the right, then clinch/hold if Haye gets close, repeat and rinse like he has done with every opponent he faces (there's a reason why he's called boring by hardcore and casual fans). Haye more than likely will try to fight Wlad like he did against Valuev (which was a shit fight) and try to outbox Wlad from the outside.

The mainstream press will cover the fight, casual fans will tune in thinking that this will be Holyfield/Bowe or Ali/Frazier and will be massively bored and disappointed saying wtf? There will then be countless articles and airtime why boxing is dead and no one cares because the HW division is so shit when the biggest HW championship fight in a decade that is so massively hyped and is considered to be the biggest fight in boxing is a dud.

Let me ask you guys this, when has Wlad been in an exciting fight that hardcore boxing and casual sports fan were both in agreement that it was an awesome fight? None, exactly. The fight will be a dud, mark my words.

[Fenster]

This is what will likely happen if the 2 fights. Massive amount of shit talking from both sides to stir up the fight, it probably will get mainstream attention and then billed as the biggest fight in boxing for the unified HW championship, HBO or Showtime will pick it up.

But then once both gets in the ring. Wlad is going to paw with his left or jab, jab, jab, tries to land the right, then clinch/hold if Haye gets close, repeat and rinse like he has done with every opponent he faces (there's a reason why he's called boring by hardcore and casual fans). Haye more than likely will try to fight Wlad like he did against Valuev (which was a shit fight) and try to outbox Wlad from the outside.

The mainstream press will cover the fight, casual fans will tune in thinking that this will be Holyfield/Bowe or Ali/Frazier and will be massively bored and disappointed saying wtf? There will then be countless articles and airtime why boxing is dead and no one cares because the HW division is so shit when the biggest HW championship fight in a decade that is so massively hyped and is considered to be the biggest fight in boxing is a dud.

Let me ask you guys this, when has Wlad been in an exciting fight that hardcore boxing and casual sports fan were both in agreement that it was an awesome fight? None, exactly. The fight will be a dud, mark my words.

This.

It will be a million times better build-up than actual fight. There's no way safety Wlad is gonna come out of his shell against the most dangerous puncher he's faced in donkey's years and there's no way Haye is gonna go in all guns blazing.

If it's an early KO Haye is the more likely. Wlad will wait until Haye is tired and lost his sharpness before risking taking him out.

[El Kabong]

This.

It will be a million times better build-up than actual fight. There's no way safety Wlad is gonna come out of his shell against the most dangerous puncher he's faced in donkey's years and there's no way Haye is gonna go in all guns blazing.

If it's an early KO Haye is the more likely. Wlad will wait until Haye is tired and lost his sharpness before risking taking him out.

See people are buying into this idea that "Wlad will just come out establish the jab and maybe in round 5 finally throw a right cross" when the reality of the situation is that vs Sam Peter a dangerous albeit slower puncher than the WBA "Super" title holder, Wlad threw power punches from the get go, one of the first punches landed was a right cross...a right cross that would end this fight.

I have no doubts that we'll see the WBA "Super" title holder get hurt early on and try to hold on for dear life...a beautiful case of irony since part of the trash talk has been directed at "safety first" and jabbing and holding....Wlad MAY try to carry him, but he may just have a little too much fun beating the shit out of the guy and end it sooner. Plus we've got no idea how the WBA title holder's chin will hold up to Wlad's jab let alone the cross or the hook....if Ruiz can catch you and hurt you then the Magic 8 Ball says "Outlook Bad" for fighting Wladimir a guy with more KO wins (at heavyweight) than his opponent has fights (in total)

[Fenster]

This.

It will be a million times better build-up than actual fight. There's no way safety Wlad is gonna come out of his shell against the most dangerous puncher he's faced in donkey's years and there's no way Haye is gonna go in all guns blazing.

If it's an early KO Haye is the more likely. Wlad will wait until Haye is tired and lost his sharpness before risking taking him out.

See people are buying into this idea that "Wlad will just come out establish the jab and maybe in round 5 finally throw a right cross" when the reality of the situation is that vs Sam Peter a dangerous albeit slower puncher than the WBA "Super" title holder, Wlad threw power punches from the get go, one of the first punches landed was a right cross...a right cross that would end this fight.

I have no doubts that we'll see the WBA "Super" title holder get hurt early on and try to hold on for dear life...a beautiful case of irony since part of the trash talk has been directed at "safety first" and jabbing and holding....Wlad MAY try to carry him, but he may just have a little too much fun beating the shit out of the guy and end it sooner. Plus we've got no idea how the WBA title holder's chin will hold up to Wlad's jab let alone the cross or the hook....if Ruiz can catch you and hurt you then the Magic 8 Ball says "Outlook Bad" for fighting Wladimir a guy with more KO wins (at heavyweight) than his opponent has fights (in total)

Sam Peter is a statue compared with Haye. He can't move and he's P4P one of the slowest fuckers on earth. PLUS - the fat plodder tired himself out doing a Joe Frazier impersonation in the first minute of round one. He was begging for an oxygen mask after that.

Tyson Fury would have beat him quicker than safety Wlad. Fact.

[El Kabong]

Sam Peter is a statue compared with Haye. He can't move and he's P4P one of the slowest fuckers on earth. PLUS - the fat plodder tired himself out doing a Joe Frazier impersonation in the first minute of round one.

Tyson Fury would have beat him quicker than safety Wlad. Fact.

Oh hold on....

press play and then continue on with your little rant

Sam Peter has a heart, a chin, and some guts....that's more than YOUR BOY can boast about.

[Fenster]

Sam Peter is a statue compared with Haye. He can't move and he's P4P one of the slowest fuckers on earth. PLUS - the fat plodder tired himself out doing a Joe Frazier impersonation in the first minute of round one.

Tyson Fury would have beat him quicker than safety Wlad. Fact.

Sam Peter has a heart, a chin, and some guts....that's more than YOUR BOY can boast about.

How has Haye got no heart or guts? That's ridiculous.

So all you're left with is plodder Peter has a better chin (although for a fighter with no chin Haye is yet to be flattened for a ten count).

Haye can boast that he is faster than Peter, more elusive, a naturally more talented athlete, won more titles, has a higher KO percentage and has never been beaten at heavyweight.

Haye pisses all over Peter. Fact.

[El Kabong]

Sam Peter is a statue compared with Haye. He can't move and he's P4P one of the slowest fuckers on earth. PLUS - the fat plodder tired himself out doing a Joe Frazier impersonation in the first minute of round one.

Tyson Fury would have beat him quicker than safety Wlad. Fact.

Sam Peter has a heart, a chin, and some guts....that's more than YOUR BOY can boast about.

How has Haye got no heart or guts? That's ridiculous.

So all you're left with is plodder Peter has a better chin (although for a fighter with no chin Haye is yet to be flattened for a ten count).

Haye can boast that he is faster than Peter, more elusive, a naturally more talented athlete, won more titles, has a higher KO percentage and has never been beaten at heavyweight.

Haye pisses all over Peter. Fact.

...he's also never fought anyone with a pulse at heavyweight and yet he's still been down and been hurt, yet we are to believe that he'll beat Wladimir Klitschko? Funny guy

No guts, because he took the easy route to the top (Evander Holyfield didn't do that, he fought some live bodies)....no heart because he's already focused on retirement.

Its a big fight, but it's an EASY EASY fight for Wlad...sure people will play up his slip ups, Purrity, Sanders, Brewster and people will downplay the WBA title holder's issues with stamina and his chin. You guys can go ahead and think it's a fair fight, but after all is said and done you'll be asking for a Super Heavyweight Division.

If Wlad takes his time the fight could go 6-8 but he's going to have to have a willing opponent....if he steps on the gas he can make it a very short night.

[badr_hari]

Massive amount of shit talking from both sides to stir up the fight, it probably will get mainstream attention and then billed as the biggest fight in boxing for the unified HW championship, HBO or Showtime will pick it up.

Trash talking is part of the bussiness. Biggest fight in boxing ? NO WAY. As much as Haye talks (other than BRITS) people won't believe he beats Klitschko (an ATG that has been smashing every opponent for the last 6-7 years).

But then once both gets in the ring. Wlad is going to paw with his left or jab, jab, jab, tries to land the right, then clinch/hold if Haye gets close, repeat and rinse like he has done with every opponent he faces (there's a reason why he's called boring by hardcore and casual fans). Haye more than likely will try to fight Wlad like he did against Valuev (which was a shit fight) and try to outbox Wlad from the outside.

What's wrong with this. A lot of fighters use their JAB and land the right. A lot of fighters try to outbox their opponents from the outside.

The mainstream press will cover the fight, casual fans will tune in thinking that this will be Holyfield/Bowe or Ali/Frazier and will be massively bored and disappointed saying wtf? There will then be countless articles and airtime why boxing is dead and no one cares because the HW division is so shit when the biggest HW championship fight in a decade that is so massively hyped and is considered to be the biggest fight in boxing is a dud.

The casual fans you are talking about are, i think, the CASUAL BRITISH FANS. Yes casual british fans will think its like Holyfield/Bowe or Ali/Frazier, and OF COURSE it won't be, because its not a close fight its more of a 75-25 fight.
And, this fight is no bigger than Wladimir's fights with Ibragimov, Thompson, Chagaev and some others.

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[boozeboxer]

It is good to see some excitement in the HW division. The bullshit is immense and I was tired of Haye's trashtalking while he was still at cruiser....and I do admit he did well at the weakest weight division in boxing.


I just hope for a good fight.

I would bet the fight does not happen, but if it does, I bet it does not go the distance.

[Mark TKO]

I give Wlad a massive 70-30 chance in winning this one. As I have said for about 2 years now if both were physically the same size Haye would be a very strong favourite in my eyes - but they aren't and that for me will be the crucial, and deciding, factor.

70-30 was the same way I thought when Mayweather v Hatton was announced (though I admit that after 4 days on the pop in Vegas and getting carried away with the hype by the time fight night arrived I had been converted to 0-100 in Hatton's favour........)

[Fenster]

Massive amount of shit talking from both sides to stir up the fight, it probably will get mainstream attention and then billed as the biggest fight in boxing for the unified HW championship, HBO or Showtime will pick it up.

Trash talking is part of the bussiness. Biggest fight in boxing ? NO WAY. As much as Haye talks (other than BRITS) people won't believe he beats Klitschko (an ATG that has been smashing every opponent for the last 6-7 years).

But then once both gets in the ring. Wlad is going to paw with his left or jab, jab, jab, tries to land the right, then clinch/hold if Haye gets close, repeat and rinse like he has done with every opponent he faces (there's a reason why he's called boring by hardcore and casual fans). Haye more than likely will try to fight Wlad like he did against Valuev (which was a shit fight) and try to outbox Wlad from the outside.

What's wrong with this. A lot of fighters use their JAB and land the right. A lot of fighters try to outbox their opponents from the outside.

The mainstream press will cover the fight, casual fans will tune in thinking that this will be Holyfield/Bowe or Ali/Frazier and will be massively bored and disappointed saying wtf? There will then be countless articles and airtime why boxing is dead and no one cares because the HW division is so shit when the biggest HW championship fight in a decade that is so massively hyped and is considered to be the biggest fight in boxing is a dud.

The casual fans you are talking about are, i think, the CASUAL BRITISH FANS. Yes casual british fans will think its like Holyfield/Bowe or Ali/Frazier, and OF COURSE it won't be, because its not a close fight its more of a 75-25 fight.
And, this fight is no bigger than Wladimir's fights with Ibragimov, Thompson, Chagaev and some others.

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That's ridiculous. This is the biggest fight in boxing outside Pac-Floyd.

Casual Brit fans will buy it. German fans will buy it (60,000 punters). HBO wil buy it. And EVERY hardcore boxing fan around the world will watch it.

Whether the fight is entertaining or not is irrelevant. It is huge.

[badr_hari]

That's ridiculous. This is the biggest fight in boxing outside Pac-Floyd.

Casual Brit fans will buy it. German fans will buy it (60,000 punters). HBO wil buy it. And EVERY hardcore boxing fan around the world will watch it.

Whether the fight is entertaining or not is irrelevant. It is huge.

Its not the first time HBO buys a heavyweight fight and a hardcore fan should usually catch every fight with the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world.
European fans will buy NOTHING, they have it FOR FREE on RTL like EVERY Klitschko fight (except Britain of course).

I understand you mate, you are British. Its a huge fight, exactly.

[Fenster]

That's ridiculous. This is the biggest fight in boxing outside Pac-Floyd.

Casual Brit fans will buy it. German fans will buy it (60,000 punters). HBO wil buy it. And EVERY hardcore boxing fan around the world will watch it.

Whether the fight is entertaining or not is irrelevant. It is huge.

Its not the first time HBO buys a heavyweight fight and a hardcore fan should usually catch every fight with the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world.
European fans will buy NOTHING, they have it FOR FREE on RTL like EVERY Klitschko fight (except Britain of course).

I understand you mate, you are British. Its a huge fight, exactly.

I know German fans have it free on RTL that's why I listed the gate - 60,000. The TV numbers could be in excess of 10 million in Germany.

HBO have recently been refusing to buy Wlad fights because they are unhappy with his "boring" fights and level of competition. However, they previously stated they are interested in buying Wlad-Haye.

If EVERY hardcore boxing fan in the world is interested, an enormous live gate of 60,000+, a million Brits on PPV and HBO screening it for American fans isn't a big fight than what is? NOTHING could surpass this match barring FLoyd-Pac. It is a fact.

[El Kabong]

That's ridiculous. This is the biggest fight in boxing outside Pac-Floyd.

Casual Brit fans will buy it. German fans will buy it (60,000 punters). HBO wil buy it. And EVERY hardcore boxing fan around the world will watch it.

Whether the fight is entertaining or not is irrelevant. It is huge.

Its not the first time HBO buys a heavyweight fight and a hardcore fan should usually catch every fight with the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world.
European fans will buy NOTHING, they have it FOR FREE on RTL like EVERY Klitschko fight (except Britain of course).

I understand you mate, you are British. Its a huge fight, exactly.

I know German fans have it free on RTL that's why I listed the gate - 60,000. The TV numbers could be in excess of 10 million in Germany.

HBO have recently been refusing to buy Wlad fights because they are unhappy with his "boring" fights and level of competition. However, they previously stated they are interested in buying Wlad-Haye.

If EVERY hardcore boxing fan in the world is interested, an enormous live gate of 60,000+, a million Brits on PPV and HBO screening it for American fans isn't a big fight than what is? NOTHING could surpass this match barring FLoyd-Pac. It is a fact.

Really? I know the HBO people might SAY that but the numbers don't bare that out as both Wlad and Vitali have done very good numbers for HBO recently. The MAIN reason for their choice not to air Wlad or Vitali's fights stems from TIME. If they don't fight at 10 or 11:00 EST then it takes extra timeslots from HBO's major money maker MOVIES/TV SERIES .....thems the facts friend.


As for the "you guys" that's for the people who don't like Wlad and the people that believe tha the WBA title holder poses a threat to him.....so when I say "You guys are going to be very disappointed" that's who I'm talking to.

I don't think the fight is pointless, far from it, I think it's long overdue. I just don't think it will be competitive....at all. And don't say I don't give credit to the WBA title holder, I give him his due, I just don't get suckered in to giving him more than his due. I have yet to see a fighter TALK their way to victory. Is the guy good? Yeah he's got skills, he's got quick hands, he's got decent pop, but my issues with him deal with not only his piss poor attitude and loud mouth, but his lack of strategy and his focus on wide looping power punches....he could learn a bit from Holyfield if you ask me. He needs better defense, a more consistent attack not based on 1 big bomb, and he's got to fight in a composed manner. It may seem like I'm telling him to fight "safety first" but I think he should fight to his best abilities and utilize his best attributes...handspeed, power, athletic ability. He won't do any of that and because of his weakness on defense, his weak chin, and his focus on trying to land 1 big bomb he should be less dangerous than Sam Peter who could (and did) take a ton of punishment before getting stopped.

I think he'd be more competitive vs the likes of Povetkin, Adamek, Boytsov, etc...I wouldn't have minded seeing him take on Dimitrenko as that MAY have helped him deal with the height or Arreola that would have given him lots of helpful rounds vs a dangerous puncher....but he's going from the shallow end of the kiddie pool to swimming with Jaws...I wouldn't be shocked if the 1st jab buckled him a bit. You've got to admit it's a HUGE step up in competition for him.

[generalbulldog]

You're delusional Lyle. It's because Wlad is a boring fighter to casual boxing fans and many hardcore boxing fans that's the reason why he's not on HBO or Showtime. It's not because of the time difference.

Explain Mike Tyson fighting Tony Tubbs and Buster Douglas in Japan? HBO still went over there and televise the fights. Or how about Foreman vs Ali in Zaire? Or Ali vs Frazier 3 in Manilla? Or Forman vs Frazier 1 in Jamaica? HBO still went over there to televise those fights. Face it Wlad is a boring fighter and that's why HBO dropped him like a bad habit.

Since you like facts so much. Here are the facts. Wlad is the only lineal HW champ not to have his fights televise by both HBO and Showtime. That didn't happened to Tyson, Ali, Holmes, Holyfield, Foreman, Frazier, Moorer, Lennox Lewis, etc. Only Wlad. You can't spin that.