Haye v Klitschko is on official .........apparently

[Fenster]

That's ridiculous. This is the biggest fight in boxing outside Pac-Floyd.

Casual Brit fans will buy it. German fans will buy it (60,000 punters). HBO wil buy it. And EVERY hardcore boxing fan around the world will watch it.

Whether the fight is entertaining or not is irrelevant. It is huge.

Its not the first time HBO buys a heavyweight fight and a hardcore fan should usually catch every fight with the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world.
European fans will buy NOTHING, they have it FOR FREE on RTL like EVERY Klitschko fight (except Britain of course).

I understand you mate, you are British. Its a huge fight, exactly.

I know German fans have it free on RTL that's why I listed the gate - 60,000. The TV numbers could be in excess of 10 million in Germany.

HBO have recently been refusing to buy Wlad fights because they are unhappy with his "boring" fights and level of competition. However, they previously stated they are interested in buying Wlad-Haye.

If EVERY hardcore boxing fan in the world is interested, an enormous live gate of 60,000+, a million Brits on PPV and HBO screening it for American fans isn't a big fight than what is? NOTHING could surpass this match barring FLoyd-Pac. It is a fact.

[El Kabong]

That's ridiculous. This is the biggest fight in boxing outside Pac-Floyd.

Casual Brit fans will buy it. German fans will buy it (60,000 punters). HBO wil buy it. And EVERY hardcore boxing fan around the world will watch it.

Whether the fight is entertaining or not is irrelevant. It is huge.

Its not the first time HBO buys a heavyweight fight and a hardcore fan should usually catch every fight with the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world.
European fans will buy NOTHING, they have it FOR FREE on RTL like EVERY Klitschko fight (except Britain of course).

I understand you mate, you are British. Its a huge fight, exactly.

I know German fans have it free on RTL that's why I listed the gate - 60,000. The TV numbers could be in excess of 10 million in Germany.

HBO have recently been refusing to buy Wlad fights because they are unhappy with his "boring" fights and level of competition. However, they previously stated they are interested in buying Wlad-Haye.

If EVERY hardcore boxing fan in the world is interested, an enormous live gate of 60,000+, a million Brits on PPV and HBO screening it for American fans isn't a big fight than what is? NOTHING could surpass this match barring FLoyd-Pac. It is a fact.

Really? I know the HBO people might SAY that but the numbers don't bare that out as both Wlad and Vitali have done very good numbers for HBO recently. The MAIN reason for their choice not to air Wlad or Vitali's fights stems from TIME. If they don't fight at 10 or 11:00 EST then it takes extra timeslots from HBO's major money maker MOVIES/TV SERIES .....thems the facts friend.


As for the "you guys" that's for the people who don't like Wlad and the people that believe tha the WBA title holder poses a threat to him.....so when I say "You guys are going to be very disappointed" that's who I'm talking to.

I don't think the fight is pointless, far from it, I think it's long overdue. I just don't think it will be competitive....at all. And don't say I don't give credit to the WBA title holder, I give him his due, I just don't get suckered in to giving him more than his due. I have yet to see a fighter TALK their way to victory. Is the guy good? Yeah he's got skills, he's got quick hands, he's got decent pop, but my issues with him deal with not only his piss poor attitude and loud mouth, but his lack of strategy and his focus on wide looping power punches....he could learn a bit from Holyfield if you ask me. He needs better defense, a more consistent attack not based on 1 big bomb, and he's got to fight in a composed manner. It may seem like I'm telling him to fight "safety first" but I think he should fight to his best abilities and utilize his best attributes...handspeed, power, athletic ability. He won't do any of that and because of his weakness on defense, his weak chin, and his focus on trying to land 1 big bomb he should be less dangerous than Sam Peter who could (and did) take a ton of punishment before getting stopped.

I think he'd be more competitive vs the likes of Povetkin, Adamek, Boytsov, etc...I wouldn't have minded seeing him take on Dimitrenko as that MAY have helped him deal with the height or Arreola that would have given him lots of helpful rounds vs a dangerous puncher....but he's going from the shallow end of the kiddie pool to swimming with Jaws...I wouldn't be shocked if the 1st jab buckled him a bit. You've got to admit it's a HUGE step up in competition for him.

[generalbulldog]

You're delusional Lyle. It's because Wlad is a boring fighter to casual boxing fans and many hardcore boxing fans that's the reason why he's not on HBO or Showtime. It's not because of the time difference.

Explain Mike Tyson fighting Tony Tubbs and Buster Douglas in Japan? HBO still went over there and televise the fights. Or how about Foreman vs Ali in Zaire? Or Ali vs Frazier 3 in Manilla? Or Forman vs Frazier 1 in Jamaica? HBO still went over there to televise those fights. Face it Wlad is a boring fighter and that's why HBO dropped him like a bad habit.

Since you like facts so much. Here are the facts. Wlad is the only lineal HW champ not to have his fights televise by both HBO and Showtime. That didn't happened to Tyson, Ali, Holmes, Holyfield, Foreman, Frazier, Moorer, Lennox Lewis, etc. Only Wlad. You can't spin that.

[El Kabong]

You're delusional Lyle. It's because Wlad is a boring fighter to casual boxing fans and many hardcore boxing fans that's the reason why he's not on HBO or Showtime. It's not because of the time difference.

Explain Mike Tyson fighting Tony Tubbs and Buster Douglas in Japan? HBO still went over there and televise the fights. Or how about Foreman vs Ali in Zaire? Or Ali vs Frazier 3 in Manilla? Or Forman vs Frazier 1 in Jamaica? HBO still went over there to televise those fights. Face it Wlad is a boring fighter and that's why HBO dropped him like a bad habit.

Since you like facts so much. Here are the facts. Wlad is the only lineal HW champ not to have his fights televise by both HBO and Showtime. That didn't happened to Tyson, Ali, Holmes, Holyfield, Foreman, Frazier, Moorer, Lennox Lewis, etc. Only Wlad. You can't spin that.

Easy to explain...... PPV was that difficult or hard to understand? I don't know how PPV works where you are, but where I come from it doesn't block originally schedualed programming because it's on a different channel. Now as for "Why isn't Wlad on PPV?" then yeah he hasn't had many intriguing fights that will make people shell out $60. Also the fights you listed were the EXCEPTION not the rule, USUALLY everyone fought in the US ergo no special scheduling for the fight happening live at 5:00 EST and then a replay at 10:00. See how much scheduling that eats up on a regular fight

If the WBA title holder was sooooo exciting then why hasn't he been on Showtime or HBO? That kind of favors my view of things doesn't it.....I mean unless of course the WBA title holder ISN'T such a hot prospect either and if he isn't why are Showtime and HBO trying to land this fight?

....but you know better than me of course is it some sort of conspiracy that the last Klitschko fight to air on HBO was #1 In America and #2 The highest rated non-Pacquiao/Mayweather related fight of the year? I guess that all had to do with Arreola...oh and Vitali, because it's not like HBO Exec Ross Greenberg said "The fans can't tell the brothers apart, etc etc"...but I digress, you're totally 100% right......totally absolutely correct, you couldn't be more right, you're as right as they get

[boxingbantz]

Haye on Sky Sports today.

[El Kabong]

Haye on Sky Sports today.

I like how he compares himself with Brewster and Sanders and says that Wlad has "avoided fighters with my style". Well to be honest the WBA title holder does have a pretty original style for a heavyweight but it's not one I'd compare with Sanders or Brewster at all. People can call me a hater all they want but I know full well that the WBA title holder doesn't have what it takes to win the way Lamon Brewster won which is absorb everything Wlad throws at you and remain standing as he tires out...I don't see it happening especially after Ruiz hurt him. As for Sanders, he just went out there guns a blazing, threw straight, quick, powerful punches (still had to follow up) and also it's important to note that Wlad obliged him and went toe to toe with him, he even fought in a crouch until he got hurt...he gave up his height and reach something I haven't seen him do recently. Also Sanders is a southpaw and that meant different angles and that the right cross would be THE punch for him to counter etc etc.

If the WBA title holder is going to win he's going to have to work his way inside without getting hit or tied up and then flurry...or he's going to be like everyone else Wlad has fought and just try for 1 big Hail Mary punch. And that's the way I see it....he'll be cocky until he eats a jab or right cross and then he's going to be using a lot of movement and feinting....if he's able to.

[Fenster]

Haye has been live on primetime American TV. Showtime bought the Enzo Macc fight, which started around 2am in London.

HBO paid for Calzaghe-Kessler to start primetime USA - which meant early hours in Britain. Calzaghe-Lacy the same deal on Showtime, Froch-Dirrell, Hatton-Tsyzu etc.. there are plenty of fights HBO/Showtime will pay EXTRA to get the timezone in their favour.

These major TV companies have been refusing to buy Wlad fights on delayed coverage let alone competing to get him live. Fact.

[NUCLEAR BULL]

Haye on Sky Sports today.

I like how he compares himself with Brewster and Sanders and says that Wlad has "avoided fighters with my style". Well to be honest the WBA title holder does have a pretty original style for a heavyweight but it's not one I'd compare with Sanders or Brewster at all. People can call me a hater all they want but I know full well that the WBA title holder doesn't have what it takes to win the way Lamon Brewster won which is absorb everything Wlad throws at you and remain standing as he tires out...I don't see it happening especially after Ruiz hurt him. As for Sanders, he just went out there guns a blazing, threw straight, quick, powerful punches (still had to follow up) and also it's important to note that Wlad obliged him and went toe to toe with him, he even fought in a crouch until he got hurt...he gave up his height and reach something I haven't seen him do recently. Also Sanders is a southpaw and that meant different angles and that the right cross would be THE punch for him to counter etc etc.

If the WBA title holder is going to win he's going to have to work his way inside without getting hit or tied up and then flurry...or he's going to be like everyone else Wlad has fought and just try for 1 big Hail Mary punch. And that's the way I see it....he'll be cocky until he eats a jab or right cross and then he's going to be using a lot of movement and feinting....if he's able to.

i like the way you call him the wba title holder........................i think its a waste of time talking about this, haye will prob pull out a few weeks before the fight with a COUGH COUGH. On a serious note heavyweight boxing needs this fight as it seems people feel the Klits and Haye are the 3 best in the division....lets hope it sticks this time and they get it on

[generalbulldog]

Yes you got an excuse for everything when it comes to Wlad, Lyle. The only lineal HW champ not to get picked up by HBO or Showtime. Didn't happen to other ones but your boy. Face it he's considered to be boring by hardcore and casual fans. And Vitali/Arreola had high ratings, maybe just maybe because 15% of the American population is Hispanic and Arreola is one? I'm pretty sure that didn't have anything to do with Arreola trying to become the 1st Mexican-American to win a HW title and HBO high ratings.

[El Kabong]

Yes you got an excuse for everything when it comes to Wlad, Lyle. The only lineal HW champ not to get picked up by HBO or Showtime. Didn't happen to other ones but your boy. Face it he's considered to be boring by hardcore and casual fans. And Vitali/Arreola had high ratings, maybe just maybe because 15% of the American population is Hispanic and Arreola is one? I'm pretty sure that didn't have anything to do with Arreola trying to become the 1st Mexican-American to win a HW title and HBO high ratings.

You're absolutely right....don't bother to address what I said, just go off and make another point because you're right.

[0james0]

I actually think this will happen this time. Haye will either win a historic fight, or he will be in tears in two rounds after the one-two's start landing.

The sad thing is, I heard Haye say this the other day:

"after Manny Pac and Mayweather this is the second biggest fight around for a long time"

It's sad because it's true. They've hyped and dragged out and built this fight into a money machine.

Something else that is sad is that I would be well up for going to where ever this is. But it's a bit shit booking it, sorting it all out only for them to pull at the 11th hour. Then your stuck watching Hanz Jurgen vs Fury.

[AdamGB]

I'd also be interested to hear what The boxing message board account holder has to say about the shit I have been reading today.

The fight is 99% done but is also hanging by a thread because Wlad has a random, possibly phantom injury... the way the contract stands as I understand it, Haye can plan and prepare to fight Wlad and then Wlad can either pull out or pull a switch on Haye and have him fight a different opponent than the one has has prepared for (ie: get his big brother to fight for him if he doesn't fancy it).

Seems like a typical example of the type of ridiculous shit you get from negotiating the Ukrainian brothers... only this time they've left out the ridiculous rematch clauses and worked it so they can pick and swap the opponent.

Also it's a little hypocritical considering the stick Haye got for his back injury (or whatever...) that Wlad already has something banked and ready to use...

Just wondering what the boxing message board account holder's thoughts on this are?

[El Kabong]

The "2/3rds Western Hemispherian" part was a joke.....sorry it wasn't dry and unamusing enough to suit your British style of "humoUr"

Where were Lennox Lewis' biggest fights held overseas or in America?.....thank you


As for what you've read, the fight will happen, Wlad will fight the WBA title holder and Wlad will beat him, I honestly see very little difference in fighting the WBA title holder or Chisora other than the money 1 fight means, it's not like either have a snowball's chance in Hell of winning. If the "injury" upsets anyone (especially Chisora) they need not worry, it's not like Wlad will retire in October so they can have their fight then.

I certainly will enjoy seeing your boy KO'd and officially retired by Wladimir...don't cry when it happens

[AdamGB]

I won't cry Mr. Boxing Message Board Account Holder... it's just a sport and I do not personally know or care for David Haye.

Don't assume that all fans feel the same as you do about Wlad!

Yeah Lewis fought in America... his style (it certainatly wasn't his fucking character... hahah) made him of interest and a draw there... so he traveled. Shocking stuff, unheard of for a lot of Heavies nowdays.

Wlad doesn't have the style to be a continuous draw in America, simple fact... that is why HBO don't want him.

I have a feeling that the fight will come off, sure... I was more interested on your thoughts regarding the uncertainty that they have created as to who will be fighting and why Wlad is already whinging that his injury may not heal in time.

If haye is going to be such a walk over and you are happy to take 50/50 in Germany with him then just sign the fucking dotted line and show up... why the need for the security blanket(s)

...and no Mr. Boxing Message Board Account Holder, your 'humoUr' just wasn't funny!