What a sad time it is in the heavyweights when wlad v haye is such a big fight!

[0james0]

I watched the Lewis fight the other day and for me Vitali will finish with by far the better reputation compared to Wlad.

I think he would compete with any heavyweight in history. Wlad has holes, Vitali not so much.

But Wlad is more marketable, he's the cheeky younger brother.

I think this fight is a huge fight, biggest in a very long time.

[Beanflicker]

To me, this is just senseless nitpicking. So what if Wlad was knocked down? Muhammad Ali was on his ass more than once too. Wlad and Vitali have ruled the HW division for almost a decade. It's not that they are fighting shit opposition, it's that they are head and shoulders above the rest (much like Lennox was in his day).

David Haye is green as hell at HW, that much I agree with, and has largely positioned himself so highly with his trash talk and hype. But that aside, he obviously possesses an extremely dangerous pair of hands and brings a level of speed and power to the table that the Klitschko's haven't been faced with. So it is, and should be, a big fight IMO.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

If Joe Bloggs gets the hype, then I certainly do.

[BIG H]

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To me, this is just senseless nitpicking. So what if Wlad was knocked down? Muhammad Ali was on his ass more than once too. Wlad and Vitali have ruled the HW division for almost a decade. It's not that they are fighting shit opposition, it's that they are head and shoulders above the rest (much like Lennox was in his day).

David Haye is green as hell at HW, that much I agree with, and has largely positioned himself so highly with his trash talk and hype. But that aside, he obviously possesses an extremely dangerous pair of hands and brings a level of speed and power to the table that the Klitschko's haven't been faced with. So it is, and should be, a big fight IMO.

But 11 times!!! In his pomp!!! Wlad goes down more than once every five fights on average

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

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To me, this is just senseless nitpicking. So what if Wlad was knocked down? Muhammad Ali was on his ass more than once too. Wlad and Vitali have ruled the HW division for almost a decade. It's not that they are fighting shit opposition, it's that they are head and shoulders above the rest (much like Lennox was in his day).

David Haye is green as hell at HW, that much I agree with, and has largely positioned himself so highly with his trash talk and hype. But that aside, he obviously possesses an extremely dangerous pair of hands and brings a level of speed and power to the table that the Klitschko's haven't been faced with. So it is, and should be, a big fight IMO.

But 11 times!!! In his pomp!!! Wlad goes down more than once every five fights on average

So he's over due!!

[El Kabong]

But 11 times!!! In his pomp!!! Wlad goes down more than once every five fights on average

...well to be completely accurate here (and not just an asshole) you must admit Wlad got up a number of times whereas other fighters with as many or even more KO losses (Mike Tyson) usually got knocked down once and stayed down.

Wlad like many other heavyweight greats has also gotten up from being knocked down in order to WIN a fight....Lennox Lewis never did that...just saying

[generalbulldog]

But 11 times!!! In his pomp!!! Wlad goes down more than once every five fights on average

...well to be completely accurate here (and not just an asshole) you must admit Wlad got up a number of times whereas other fighters with as many or even more KO losses (Mike Tyson) usually got knocked down once and stayed down.

Wlad like many other heavyweight greats has also gotten up from being knocked down in order to WIN a fight....Lennox Lewis never did that...just saying

I know 1 thing and many will agree with me, that an old, semi-shot, out of shape, inactive Lewis managed to tore up prime Vitali's face. In fact that version would still beat Wlad today or has a high chance of doing it.

[El Kabong]

But 11 times!!! In his pomp!!! Wlad goes down more than once every five fights on average

...well to be completely accurate here (and not just an asshole) you must admit Wlad got up a number of times whereas other fighters with as many or even more KO losses (Mike Tyson) usually got knocked down once and stayed down.

Wlad like many other heavyweight greats has also gotten up from being knocked down in order to WIN a fight....Lennox Lewis never did that...just saying

I know 1 thing and many will agree with me, that an old, semi-shot, out of shape, inactive Lewis managed to tore up prime Vitali's face. In fact that version would still beat Wlad today or has a high chance of doing it.

And as I guess ONLY I will point out to you it was a short notice fight for Vitali too and we can't judge how 1 fighter would do against 1 brother based on how he did vs the other...My prime examples Chris Byrd and Corrie Sanders. Lennox never fought Wlad so you can't just make wild ass assumptions about how who would do against who especially if both camps were given a full training camp to prepare.


But I digress....continue your Klitschko bashing, go right along your merry way

[Master]

Haye is hype, Wlad has earned his right as a true champion and been more active that Vitali so is better champ.

Wlad could not beat the Bowe that fought Holyfield the first time but the other versions after he could have. The rest of the other competition in the 90's he beats bar Lewis and certain versions of Holyfield.

[jon09]

Gotta disagree with the title here. First off bravo to Haye for selling himself when other heavies just sit around and do nothing David Rodriguez, David Tua I'm talking to you. And the brothers are doing a helluva job doing their job and thats destroying any and all contenders in their path and shame on HBO and Showtime for letting these 2 pass by when in the past we sat through Lewis vs Botha or Bowe vs Dokes etc etc. I think its a good time and I will miss both of these Hall of fame heavies when their gone.

[generalbulldog]

I watched the Lewis fight the other day and for me Vitali will finish with by far the better reputation compared to Wlad.

I think he would compete with any heavyweight in history. Wlad has holes, Vitali not so much.

But Wlad is more marketable, he's the cheeky younger brother.

I think this fight is a huge fight, biggest in a very long time.

This I agree. Vitali with that iron chin, toughness, size, can hang with any HW in history. Wlad's weak chin is the reason why not too many can say he will hang with the ATGs in history.

[Beanflicker]

Wlad's weak chin is the reason why not too many can say he will hang with the ATGs in history.

Anyone who says Wlad couldn't hang with the ATGs in history is either A) ignorant, B)biased against the Klitschkos, or C) all of the above. Look at the guys who put Wlad on his ass. Samuel Peter, 240-250lbs with HUGE knockout power. Lamon Brewster, Corey Saunders... not the greatest fighters, but HUGE KO punchers. And like mentioned before, more often than not he gets up (and has come back to win)

[generalbulldog]

Wlad's weak chin is the reason why not too many can say he will hang with the ATGs in history.

Anyone who says Wlad couldn't hang with the ATGs in history is either A) ignorant, B)biased against the Klitschkos, or C) all of the above. Look at the guys who put Wlad on his ass. Samuel Peter, 240-250lbs with HUGE knockout power. Lamon Brewster, Corey Saunders... not the greatest fighters, but HUGE KO punchers. And like mentioned before, more often than not he gets up (and has come back to win)

Ain't just me, a lot of forum members believe that Wlad can't hang with Holyfield, Ali, Lewis, Holmes, Tyson, etc.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...lewis-etc.html

[BIG H]

Wlad's weak chin is the reason why not too many can say he will hang with the ATGs in history.

Anyone who says Wlad couldn't hang with the ATGs in history is either A) ignorant, B)biased against the Klitschkos, or C) all of the above. Look at the guys who put Wlad on his ass. Samuel Peter, 240-250lbs with HUGE knockout power. Lamon Brewster, Corey Saunders... not the greatest fighters, but HUGE KO punchers. And like mentioned before, more often than not he gets up (and has come back to win)

Well clearly he didn't against those guys

[El Kabong]

Wlad's weak chin is the reason why not too many can say he will hang with the ATGs in history.

Anyone who says Wlad couldn't hang with the ATGs in history is either A) ignorant, B)biased against the Klitschkos, or C) all of the above. Look at the guys who put Wlad on his ass. Samuel Peter, 240-250lbs with HUGE knockout power. Lamon Brewster, Corey Saunders... not the greatest fighters, but HUGE KO punchers. And like mentioned before, more often than not he gets up (and has come back to win)

Well clearly he didn't against those guys

Just like Lennox Lewis didn't get up to win vs all time greats Oliver 'Cry Me A River' McCall and Hasim 'Watch for the Right Hand' Rahman....just saying