I am attempting to join the ARMY.

[Gandalf]

Well, again Ghost has been rude to me and I did nothing to warrant it. That in itself is a lack of respect. I questioned his attitude regarding violence towards children and was told that I had selective reading issues and again he has said it in the previous post. I understood his post perfectly well. I disagreed with it and simply emphasised the point that I was particularly displeased with.

I thought everything was cool, but again my name is being brought up. Seems some people on here want the discourse to sound like Bach whilst at the same time be able to be rude to other people themselves. Just not cool either.

[Gandalf]

I am not that offended really, but am just pointing out that sometimes those harping on about courtesy can also come across as arrogant and rude in their own ways too. Respect works on many levels.

The only times I really get offended are when people go on a sad click rampage (I'm quite over that now though) or call me names in an aggressive manner. That usually happens when I express a particular opinion about something. It bewilders me actually that people can be so offended by an opinion that they they just start cussing and calling names. I'm not talking about Ghost here at all who has never done that, but just giving my general thoughts about when others become rude and disrespectful. On the whole I try not to call names or insult people, but I do sometimes snap after someone calls me a name and I retaliate, on the whole I try not to though. The only time I have really gone off the deep end was with Yuri Foreman, but thankfully he doesn't post here. Usually I am man enough to apologise if I think I have gone a bit too far and every man should have the courage to do so. Not everyone can though.

[Gandalf]

I feel like posting some more, so I will.

Everyone is going on about respect, but I think Boozeboxer made a very good point earlier in this thread. Basically, No Contest has started a thread saying that he is joining the army and on the whole it has been a lot of backslapping and handshakes, which is nice. But I struggle to see why people are getting so upset when a dissident voice comes into the mix. We all know Hornfinger has his own particular posting style and that it is rather in your face, but I don't think that No Contest has been in any way upset by any of it. I happen to think he has made some very good points and it is good to make someone think more about the important life decision that is going to be made. No contest will either listen to it or dismiss it and that is his call, but the only ones getting upset by it are people who have absolutely no stake in that decision.

Just seems a bit silly to me. Nobody has attempted to counter any of Hornfingers arguments at all and that is quite telling. Instead it's a whole lot of "Young man, you must stay in your place and show some respect!". It is absurd really. Like I said earlier, I wish No contest well and will respect whatever decision he comes to make, but for others to attempt to wash out any discussion of that life choice is too much. This is a hidden board on a boxing site and it thrives on a bunch of oddballs saying their thing and acting in their own particular ways. I wouldn't want to eradicate any of that. Sure, I want people to get along and on the whole most of us do, but as long as none of us going too far and saying "No contest, I hate the military, you motherfucker. Die!", then none of us should be getting too upset. That last example is obviously where the line is crossed and I think everyone would agree on that, but I don't think that line has been reached.

[generalbulldog]

I feel like posting some more, so I will.

Everyone is going on about respect, but I think Boozeboxer made a very good point earlier in this thread. Basically, No Contest has started a thread saying that he is joining the army and on the whole it has been a lot of backslapping and handshakes, which is nice. But I struggle to see why people are getting so upset when a dissident voice comes into the mix. We all know Hornfinger has his own particular posting style and that it is rather in your face, but I don't think that No Contest has been in any way upset by any of it. I happen to think he has made some very good points and it is good to make someone think more about the important life decision that is going to be made. No contest will either listen to it or dismiss it and that is his call, but the only ones getting upset by it are people who have absolutely no stake in that decision.

Just seems a bit silly to me. Nobody has attempted to counter any of Hornfingers arguments at all and that is quite telling. Instead it's a whole lot of "Young man, you must stay in your place and show some respect!". It is absurd really. Like I said earlier, I wish No contest well and will respect whatever decision he comes to make, but for others to attempt to wash out any discussion of that life choice is too much. This is a hidden board on a boxing site and it thrives on a bunch of oddballs saying their thing and acting in their own particular ways. I wouldn't want to eradicate any of that. Sure, I want people to get along and on the whole most of us do, but as long as none of us going too far and saying "No contest, I hate the military, you motherfucker. Die!", then none of us should be getting too upset. That last example is obviously where the line is crossed and I think everyone would agree on that, but I don't think that line has been reached.

Ah, but here's the thing Miles, never has anyone in this thread has a problem with any dissenting voice it was the manner in that it was presented, the troll's 1st post was on how the guy was wasting his life in joining the military and that he was going to murder and bully people just because he likes to. To you that is not disrepectfull or rude, but to others it is. And about addressing or rebutting it? It was done by Vanchilds who attempted to humor the troll a few pages back. And Ghost is right you are very selective in what you want to read where you pick and choose and tend to put words in other people's mouth and then try to rebut that imaginary viewpoint that others didn't put forth. Him and I never did once said we had problems with other people's opinions as you and the troll asserted. And don't forget it was Ghost and I that brought up about other people's viewpoints, opinions, and freedom of speech. It was you and the troll that asserted we were against the dissenting opinion.

BTW, Booze gave his opinion. I don't have a problem with it and I'm pretty sure others don't. Why? Because it wasn't rude, crass, and disrespectful. Hell even VD gave his opinion and it wasn't rude.

One last thing don't put words in other people's mouth or misinterpret it when you're trying to debate. I'm pretty sure you know what strawman arguments are.

[Gandalf]

I feel like posting some more, so I will.

Everyone is going on about respect, but I think Boozeboxer made a very good point earlier in this thread. Basically, No Contest has started a thread saying that he is joining the army and on the whole it has been a lot of backslapping and handshakes, which is nice. But I struggle to see why people are getting so upset when a dissident voice comes into the mix. We all know Hornfinger has his own particular posting style and that it is rather in your face, but I don't think that No Contest has been in any way upset by any of it. I happen to think he has made some very good points and it is good to make someone think more about the important life decision that is going to be made. No contest will either listen to it or dismiss it and that is his call, but the only ones getting upset by it are people who have absolutely no stake in that decision.

Just seems a bit silly to me. Nobody has attempted to counter any of Hornfingers arguments at all and that is quite telling. Instead it's a whole lot of "Young man, you must stay in your place and show some respect!". It is absurd really. Like I said earlier, I wish No contest well and will respect whatever decision he comes to make, but for others to attempt to wash out any discussion of that life choice is too much. This is a hidden board on a boxing site and it thrives on a bunch of oddballs saying their thing and acting in their own particular ways. I wouldn't want to eradicate any of that. Sure, I want people to get along and on the whole most of us do, but as long as none of us going too far and saying "No contest, I hate the military, you motherfucker. Die!", then none of us should be getting too upset. That last example is obviously where the line is crossed and I think everyone would agree on that, but I don't think that line has been reached.

Ah, but here's the thing Miles, never has anyone in this thread has a problem with any dissenting voice it was the manner in that it was presented, the troll's 1st post was on how the guy was wasting his life in joining the military and that he was going to murder and bully people just because he likes to. To you that is not disrepectfull or rude, but to others it is. And about addressing or rebutting it? It was done by Vanchilds who attempted to humor the troll a few pages back. And Ghost is right you are very selective in what you want to read where you pick and choose and tend to put words in other people's mouth and then try to rebut that imaginary viewpoint that others didn't put forth. Him and I never did once said we had problems with other people's opinions as you and the troll asserted. And don't forget it was Ghost and I that brought up about other people's viewpoints, opinions, and freedom of speech. It was you and the troll that asserted we were against the dissenting opinion.

BTW, Booze gave his opinion. I don't have a problem with it and I'm pretty sure others don't. Why? Because it wasn't rude, crass, and disrespectful. Hell even VD gave his opinion and it wasn't rude.

One last thing don't put words in other people's mouth or misinterpret it when you're trying to debate. I'm pretty sure you know what strawman arguments are.

I have already said that I think Hornfinger could use a little more tact, but at the end of the day No Contest seems pretty cool about everything so I don't really get why it is such a big deal.

And I do not put words in peoples mouths. You did that yesterday by falsely quoting me, but it was done in humour and it was funny. That is putting words in peoples mouths, all I do is take the part of the argument that I have issues with and then I hash it out. I have already said I agree with aspects of what Ghost said, but take exception to the bullying tone of something like "if you were my kid then you wouldn't sit down for a month". I don't like that and I said as much. Now where does this imply that I am skipping anything? I have skipped nothing, but simply raised my concerns about the part that I didn't actually agree with.

[No Contest]

Gaza militants fire rockets deep into Israel - Yahoo! News
Eh Miles? You know you want to.

[Gandalf]

Gaza militants fire rockets deep into Israel - Yahoo! News
Eh Miles? You know you want to.

See what I mean, No Contest is loving the attention. He is even urging me to comment on the Palestinian issue. That's how laid back he is about it all. That is what I like, a top fellow.

As for the rockets being fired into Israel, well I wish they wouldn't do that. But likewise, I really wish that the Israeli's wouldn't build settlements on illegally occupied lands. The whole thing is a mighty clusterfuck and only Norman Finkelstein can make any sense of it all. You see how the US holds their hand and says that what the Gazan's are doing is 'repugnant' but at the same time it is repugnant that in the UN the US refuses to endorse a resolution condemning the settlements as illegal or how the blockade was tolerated for so many years. A very obvious case of the US taking sides and acting in an extremely questionable manner.

That's all I am going to say on that issue as I want to see where Hornfinger takes this thread next. Though I am sure Booze is devising some kind of SALT 3 or something along those lines.

[No Contest]

Gaza militants fire rockets deep into Israel - Yahoo! News
Eh Miles? You know you want to.

See what I mean, No Contest is loving the attention. He is even urging me to comment on the Palestinian issue. That's how laid back he is about it all. That is what I like, a top fellow.

As for the rockets being fired into Israel, well I wish they wouldn't do that. But likewise, I really wish that the Israeli's wouldn't build settlements on illegally occupied lands. The whole thing is a mighty clusterfuck and only Norman Finkelstein can make any sense of it all. You see how the US holds their hand and says that what the Gazan's are doing is 'repugnant' but at the same time it is repugnant that in the UN the US refuses to endorse a resolution condemning the settlements as illegal or how the blockade was tolerated for so many years. A very obvious case of the US taking sides and acting in an extremely questionable manner.

That's all I am going to say on that issue as I want to see where Hornfinger takes this thread next. Though I am sure Booze is devising some kind of SALT 3 or something along those lines.

BILBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!?!!?!!
Notice it was all quiet just building houses for people to live in, then bam rockets. Nice way to get your point across I guess, what happened to peaceful protests?

[Ghost]

Well, again Ghost has been rude to me and I did nothing to warrant it. That in itself is a lack of respect. I questioned his attitude regarding violence towards children and was told that I had selective reading issues and again he has said it in the previous post. I understood his post perfectly well. I disagreed with it and simply emphasised the point that I was particularly displeased with.

I thought everything was cool, but again my name is being brought up. Seems some people on here want the discourse to sound like Bach whilst at the same time be able to be rude to other people themselves. Just not cool either.

Guess you have never been spanked when you were a kid, miles. Spanking has nothing to do with "violence". I am Not talking about beating a child to within an inch of their lives here. There is A Big difference.

Not one of my kids would dis-respect people the way they do here in this section of the forum and I have 5 kids, all over the age of 30. My kids will show people the respect they deserve because of the way they were raised and the discipline they received when they were young. Take note, I said discipline, not "Beating".

Rude? Calling you a pussy wiped sadsack, baby killing SOB would be rude. Telling you that you did not read my post correctly or mis-quoted me, is correcting a mis-understanding. Again, Big difference.


I have no problems with your point of views on politics, religion or any thing else you want to post about. Or anyone else's. I do have a problem with being mis-quoted, mis-read and people in general who try and shove their point of view down my throat, under the banner of "Freedom of Speech".

[Gandalf]

Well, again Ghost has been rude to me and I did nothing to warrant it. That in itself is a lack of respect. I questioned his attitude regarding violence towards children and was told that I had selective reading issues and again he has said it in the previous post. I understood his post perfectly well. I disagreed with it and simply emphasised the point that I was particularly displeased with.

I thought everything was cool, but again my name is being brought up. Seems some people on here want the discourse to sound like Bach whilst at the same time be able to be rude to other people themselves. Just not cool either.

Guess you have never been spanked when you were a kid, miles. Spanking has nothing to do with "violence". I am Not talking about beating a child to within an inch of their lives here. There is A Big difference.

Not one of my kids would dis-respect people the way they do here in this section of the forum and I have 5 kids, all over the age of 30. My kids will show people the respect they deserve because of the way they were raised and the discipline they received when they were young. Take note, I said discipline, not "Beating".

Rude? Calling you a pussy wiped sadsack, baby killing SOB would be rude. Telling you that you did not read my post correctly or mis-quoted me, is correcting a mis-understanding. Again, Big difference.


I have no problems with your point of views on politics, religion or any thing else you want to post about. Or anyone else's. I do have a problem with being mis-quoted, mis-read and people in general who try and shove their point of view down my throat, under the banner of "Freedom of Speech".

Yes, I was hit as a child and though on some occasions it was warranted, on numerous others it was simply because my mother was poorly equipped to be a parent and wasn't willing to put the time in to understand her children. Basically I have grown up to rebel against everything that my parents have stood for in their lives and one of those things is needless violence. I just don't think that is fair, but like I say I can understand the occasional slap. I don't think our core values are all that far apart really, but that comment about not being able to sit down for a month, seemed a somewhat harsh thing to say to another poster well into his 20's. I don't think I have any problems with you nor GB, but did feel it unfair to single me out for not reading what you said. I did read and understand what you said. In fact I agreed with the vast bulk of it.