I am attempting to join the ARMY.

[generalbulldog]

I feel like posting some more, so I will.

Everyone is going on about respect, but I think Boozeboxer made a very good point earlier in this thread. Basically, No Contest has started a thread saying that he is joining the army and on the whole it has been a lot of backslapping and handshakes, which is nice. But I struggle to see why people are getting so upset when a dissident voice comes into the mix. We all know Hornfinger has his own particular posting style and that it is rather in your face, but I don't think that No Contest has been in any way upset by any of it. I happen to think he has made some very good points and it is good to make someone think more about the important life decision that is going to be made. No contest will either listen to it or dismiss it and that is his call, but the only ones getting upset by it are people who have absolutely no stake in that decision.

Just seems a bit silly to me. Nobody has attempted to counter any of Hornfingers arguments at all and that is quite telling. Instead it's a whole lot of "Young man, you must stay in your place and show some respect!". It is absurd really. Like I said earlier, I wish No contest well and will respect whatever decision he comes to make, but for others to attempt to wash out any discussion of that life choice is too much. This is a hidden board on a boxing site and it thrives on a bunch of oddballs saying their thing and acting in their own particular ways. I wouldn't want to eradicate any of that. Sure, I want people to get along and on the whole most of us do, but as long as none of us going too far and saying "No contest, I hate the military, you motherfucker. Die!", then none of us should be getting too upset. That last example is obviously where the line is crossed and I think everyone would agree on that, but I don't think that line has been reached.

Ah, but here's the thing Miles, never has anyone in this thread has a problem with any dissenting voice it was the manner in that it was presented, the troll's 1st post was on how the guy was wasting his life in joining the military and that he was going to murder and bully people just because he likes to. To you that is not disrepectfull or rude, but to others it is. And about addressing or rebutting it? It was done by Vanchilds who attempted to humor the troll a few pages back. And Ghost is right you are very selective in what you want to read where you pick and choose and tend to put words in other people's mouth and then try to rebut that imaginary viewpoint that others didn't put forth. Him and I never did once said we had problems with other people's opinions as you and the troll asserted. And don't forget it was Ghost and I that brought up about other people's viewpoints, opinions, and freedom of speech. It was you and the troll that asserted we were against the dissenting opinion.

BTW, Booze gave his opinion. I don't have a problem with it and I'm pretty sure others don't. Why? Because it wasn't rude, crass, and disrespectful. Hell even VD gave his opinion and it wasn't rude.

One last thing don't put words in other people's mouth or misinterpret it when you're trying to debate. I'm pretty sure you know what strawman arguments are.

[Gandalf]

I feel like posting some more, so I will.

Everyone is going on about respect, but I think Boozeboxer made a very good point earlier in this thread. Basically, No Contest has started a thread saying that he is joining the army and on the whole it has been a lot of backslapping and handshakes, which is nice. But I struggle to see why people are getting so upset when a dissident voice comes into the mix. We all know Hornfinger has his own particular posting style and that it is rather in your face, but I don't think that No Contest has been in any way upset by any of it. I happen to think he has made some very good points and it is good to make someone think more about the important life decision that is going to be made. No contest will either listen to it or dismiss it and that is his call, but the only ones getting upset by it are people who have absolutely no stake in that decision.

Just seems a bit silly to me. Nobody has attempted to counter any of Hornfingers arguments at all and that is quite telling. Instead it's a whole lot of "Young man, you must stay in your place and show some respect!". It is absurd really. Like I said earlier, I wish No contest well and will respect whatever decision he comes to make, but for others to attempt to wash out any discussion of that life choice is too much. This is a hidden board on a boxing site and it thrives on a bunch of oddballs saying their thing and acting in their own particular ways. I wouldn't want to eradicate any of that. Sure, I want people to get along and on the whole most of us do, but as long as none of us going too far and saying "No contest, I hate the military, you motherfucker. Die!", then none of us should be getting too upset. That last example is obviously where the line is crossed and I think everyone would agree on that, but I don't think that line has been reached.

Ah, but here's the thing Miles, never has anyone in this thread has a problem with any dissenting voice it was the manner in that it was presented, the troll's 1st post was on how the guy was wasting his life in joining the military and that he was going to murder and bully people just because he likes to. To you that is not disrepectfull or rude, but to others it is. And about addressing or rebutting it? It was done by Vanchilds who attempted to humor the troll a few pages back. And Ghost is right you are very selective in what you want to read where you pick and choose and tend to put words in other people's mouth and then try to rebut that imaginary viewpoint that others didn't put forth. Him and I never did once said we had problems with other people's opinions as you and the troll asserted. And don't forget it was Ghost and I that brought up about other people's viewpoints, opinions, and freedom of speech. It was you and the troll that asserted we were against the dissenting opinion.

BTW, Booze gave his opinion. I don't have a problem with it and I'm pretty sure others don't. Why? Because it wasn't rude, crass, and disrespectful. Hell even VD gave his opinion and it wasn't rude.

One last thing don't put words in other people's mouth or misinterpret it when you're trying to debate. I'm pretty sure you know what strawman arguments are.

I have already said that I think Hornfinger could use a little more tact, but at the end of the day No Contest seems pretty cool about everything so I don't really get why it is such a big deal.

And I do not put words in peoples mouths. You did that yesterday by falsely quoting me, but it was done in humour and it was funny. That is putting words in peoples mouths, all I do is take the part of the argument that I have issues with and then I hash it out. I have already said I agree with aspects of what Ghost said, but take exception to the bullying tone of something like "if you were my kid then you wouldn't sit down for a month". I don't like that and I said as much. Now where does this imply that I am skipping anything? I have skipped nothing, but simply raised my concerns about the part that I didn't actually agree with.