p4p, legacy, and resume which one takes it? PBF,Pac, RJJ

[miron_lang]

Curious to know what you consider Pacs prime...
When did it start?

I would say David Diaz.

[CutMeMick]

Curious to know what you consider Pacs prime...
When did it start?

I would say David Diaz.

Wow!!! So everything he did pre-Diaz was just him before he reached his prime?

I've said this before in another thread where we discussed his prime.
I said that to me Pac has had one of the longest primes.
I think it started since the MAB fight and it's still on today.

[Spicoli]

P4P is a gawdy marketing tool. Thats about it.

I think Mayweather is the most fundamentally sound boxer of the three. He also has the cleanest record with a big fat "0". I think thats THE only reason he fought JMM was for mythical p4p cred. I could flip a coin on Jones and Pac. Who's faced the best of his era and all comers....Manny for me. Jones jr on paper wipes deck with Benn-Eubanks etc etc....but...he didn't. Doing and talking about doing are different animals entirely. Then Mayweather who at times acts like he's more suited for some bad episode of 'The Jersey shore' then a professional ring.

[miron_lang]

Curious to know what you consider Pacs prime...
When did it start?

I would say David Diaz.

Wow!!! So everything he did pre-Diaz was just him before he reached his prime?

I've said this before in another thread where we discussed his prime.
I said that to me Pac has had one of the longest primes.
I think it started since the MAB fight and it's still on today.

IMO

Fighters prime can be attributed to two things.

1. Technical Prime - Where fighters add techniques and adjust styles
2. Physical Prime - Can easily be described as fighters natural gifts like speed, stamina, remarkable chin etc.


I agree Pac's Physical prime came againts Barrera but his skills is still developing at that time which i think he reached againts Diaz with the addition of the consistent right hand and better defense.


When physical prime goes down hill of course everything follows. Roy is not as effective when his insane reflexes faded.

again just my opinion.

[generalbulldog]

Yall must have forgot!




Roy's 2 biggest wins in Toney and Hopkins > Pac's win over faded MAB, declining and catchweight Cotto and Floyd's win over Corrales and 147 Hatton.

[Kev]

Yall must have forgot!




Roy's 2 biggest wins in Toney and Hopkins > Pac's win over faded MAB, declining and catchweight Cotto and Floyd's win over Corrales and 147 Hatton.

Why must you once again denigrate Manny's wins here compared to the others?

Wasn't Toney massively weight drained? And Hopkins still fairly green, compared to the technical king of awkwardness he would later become?

And didn't Floyd force Coralles to fight in a weight class he could no longer make? And didn't he force Ricky up to a weight class he was clearly not suited for?

I'm not criticising these fighters, or the fights, just highlighting the anti Pac bias that we have on these boards.

Knocking out Barrera and Miguel Cotto are MASSIVE wins and arguably more impressive than outpointing Toney and Hopknis like Jones Jr did.

Also Jones won a world title at heavy against a notoriously mediocre belt holder. Manny has beaten, nay destroyed the best fighters in the weight classes he has move up to.

You can argue about catchweights, but no fighter in history has moved the weight classes like Manny has, and destroyed the best the weight classes can offer.

[miron_lang]

Juan Manuel Marquez in 2008 is almost equal to Barrera and maybe even a little better than Cotto.

at end of 2007 before he fought Manny Marquez was ranked #3 pound for pound
The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: 2007 - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia
at end of 2008 after he fought Manny Marquez was ranked #2 pound for pound
The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: 2008 - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia


Marco Antonio Barrera in 2003

at end of 2002 before he fought Manny Barrera was ranked #3
at end of 2004 Barrera was ranked #7 pound for pound
The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: 2004 - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia
at end of 2005 Barrera was ranked #3 pound for pound
The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: 2005 - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia




These two wins are better than Toney And Hopkins.


Toney was ranked #3 pound for pound but after the loss to Jones he was never rated again.

Hopkins would later be pound for pound #1 but was just ranked #8 Middleweight at the time of the Jones fight. This would indicate that Hopkins was still developing at age 29.
Had Jones beat Hopkins after the Trinidad fight ( Jones was looking forward to fight Tito for the money) then it can be argued that that win plus Toney was better.