should mayweather continue to be ranked in the top P4P in 2011?

[IamInuit]

Sure fighters aren't as active as in the past, but to hardened boxing fans PFP does matter. Whats a hardened boxing fan and define it. Personally, it isn't something I care too much about because it is extremely subjective, but I can see why some fans take it quite seriously. Wait a second... you just tried to justify it? I do think that if a current PFP list is to exist in the eyes of fans then it should consist of current active fighters who are taking part in meaningful bouts, even if only twice a year. The term p4p should be stricken from the list.

Floyd for me is disqualified in that regard. In what regard? And Floyd coming back and beating Paulie Malignaggi or whoever should not be enough to put him at the top of the pile. If Floyd wants a tune up then so be it. He needs to make the meaningful fights that exist out there for him and that means Manny or Martinez. You can't come back and be top dog on the back of tune up fights. Leonard came off a three year retirement. Can Floyd still beat the best in his mid 30's? Can Hopkins? There is no sign of us finding out as of yet and tune ups aren't going to help us distinguish anything.

I agree with Elterrible that Martinez is the most impressive fighter today in that regard. Straight fights against very solid opposition. No catchweights, no questionable timing of opponents etc. The man is on the trajectory up. Manny has stalled with his leftovers and Floyd has gone AWOL.

No argument on Martinez. Put my answers in bold Ftr.

[Gandalf]

Sure fighters aren't as active as in the past, but to hardened boxing fans PFP does matter. Whats a hardened boxing fan and define it. Personally, it isn't something I care too much about because it is extremely subjective, but I can see why some fans take it quite seriously. Wait a second... you just tried to justify it? I do think that if a current PFP list is to exist in the eyes of fans then it should consist of current active fighters who are taking part in meaningful bouts, even if only twice a year. The term p4p should be stricken from the list.

Floyd for me is disqualified in that regard. In what regard? And Floyd coming back and beating Paulie Malignaggi or whoever should not be enough to put him at the top of the pile. If Floyd wants a tune up then so be it. He needs to make the meaningful fights that exist out there for him and that means Manny or Martinez. You can't come back and be top dog on the back of tune up fights. Leonard came off a three year retirement. Can Floyd still beat the best in his mid 30's? Can Hopkins? There is no sign of us finding out as of yet and tune ups aren't going to help us distinguish anything.

I agree with Elterrible that Martinez is the most impressive fighter today in that regard. Straight fights against very solid opposition. No catchweights, no questionable timing of opponents etc. The man is on the trajectory up. Manny has stalled with his leftovers and Floyd has gone AWOL.

No argument on Martinez. Put my answers in bold Ftr.

PFP is about opinions. I put forth earlier that it was my opinion that a year out with no fight planned = disqualification. He has no reason to be in any list, he is effectively retired.

If Floyd wants a tune up then fair enough, but it isn't enough to catapult him back to the top of any list. You have to beat meaningful opposition to deserve PFP status and not just wins attained however many years ago.

Leonard did indeed come back off of a long layoff, but for those 18 months when there NOTHING happening then he too was effectively retired. Didn't he say as much too?

Hopkins can and does compete, he hasn't retired. He has fought stiff opposition in Pascal, Calzaghe and Pavlik.

[IamInuit]

Sure fighters aren't as active as in the past, but to hardened boxing fans PFP does matter. Whats a hardened boxing fan and define it. Personally, it isn't something I care too much about because it is extremely subjective, but I can see why some fans take it quite seriously. Wait a second... you just tried to justify it? I do think that if a current PFP list is to exist in the eyes of fans then it should consist of current active fighters who are taking part in meaningful bouts, even if only twice a year. The term p4p should be stricken from the list.

Floyd for me is disqualified in that regard. In what regard? And Floyd coming back and beating Paulie Malignaggi or whoever should not be enough to put him at the top of the pile. If Floyd wants a tune up then so be it. He needs to make the meaningful fights that exist out there for him and that means Manny or Martinez. You can't come back and be top dog on the back of tune up fights. Leonard came off a three year retirement. Can Floyd still beat the best in his mid 30's? Can Hopkins? There is no sign of us finding out as of yet and tune ups aren't going to help us distinguish anything.

I agree with Elterrible that Martinez is the most impressive fighter today in that regard. Straight fights against very solid opposition. No catchweights, no questionable timing of opponents etc. The man is on the trajectory up. Manny has stalled with his leftovers and Floyd has gone AWOL.

No argument on Martinez. Put my answers in bold Ftr.

PFP is about opinions. I put forth earlier that it was my opinion that a year out with no fight planned = disqualification. He has no reason to be in any list, he is effectively retired.

If Floyd wants a tune up then fair enough, but it isn't enough to catapult him back to the top of any list. You have to beat meaningful opposition to deserve PFP status and not just wins attained however many years ago.

Leonard did indeed come back off of a long layoff, but for those 18 months when there NOTHING happening then he too was effectively retired. Didn't he say as much too?

Hopkins can and does compete, he hasn't retired. He has fought stiff opposition in Pascal, Calzaghe and Pavlik.

Thanks for clarifying that. Its a crock. A popularity contest with no basis in fact. Its a buzz word like you see in power point presentations.

[Gandalf]

Sure fighters aren't as active as in the past, but to hardened boxing fans PFP does matter. Whats a hardened boxing fan and define it. Personally, it isn't something I care too much about because it is extremely subjective, but I can see why some fans take it quite seriously. Wait a second... you just tried to justify it? I do think that if a current PFP list is to exist in the eyes of fans then it should consist of current active fighters who are taking part in meaningful bouts, even if only twice a year. The term p4p should be stricken from the list.

Floyd for me is disqualified in that regard. In what regard? And Floyd coming back and beating Paulie Malignaggi or whoever should not be enough to put him at the top of the pile. If Floyd wants a tune up then so be it. He needs to make the meaningful fights that exist out there for him and that means Manny or Martinez. You can't come back and be top dog on the back of tune up fights. Leonard came off a three year retirement. Can Floyd still beat the best in his mid 30's? Can Hopkins? There is no sign of us finding out as of yet and tune ups aren't going to help us distinguish anything.

I agree with Elterrible that Martinez is the most impressive fighter today in that regard. Straight fights against very solid opposition. No catchweights, no questionable timing of opponents etc. The man is on the trajectory up. Manny has stalled with his leftovers and Floyd has gone AWOL.

No argument on Martinez. Put my answers in bold Ftr.

PFP is about opinions. I put forth earlier that it was my opinion that a year out with no fight planned = disqualification. He has no reason to be in any list, he is effectively retired.

If Floyd wants a tune up then fair enough, but it isn't enough to catapult him back to the top of any list. You have to beat meaningful opposition to deserve PFP status and not just wins attained however many years ago.

Leonard did indeed come back off of a long layoff, but for those 18 months when there NOTHING happening then he too was effectively retired. Didn't he say as much too?

Hopkins can and does compete, he hasn't retired. He has fought stiff opposition in Pascal, Calzaghe and Pavlik.

Thanks for clarifying that. Its a crock. A popularity contest with no basis in fact. Its a buzz word like you see in power point presentations.

I think we basically agree on this really. I rarely get into those kinds of threads where people are positing endless lists of P4P fighters and arguing back and forth on it. I do believe that inactivity should automoatically exclude a fighter from such lists and I do believe it quite sensible to come to relatively sane conclusions concerning who the top fighters are, but coming up with long lists and debating it is beyond me. I just don't care enough about that really. Yeah, to a large extent I think it probably is about people going on what they like and that is what the Manny/Floyd debate is often about. I think it is a very valid argument to dismiss a fighter who doesn't fight though and I think that is a very simple argument to make and Floyd is what this thread is all about.

[IamInuit]

Sure fighters aren't as active as in the past, but to hardened boxing fans PFP does matter. Whats a hardened boxing fan and define it. Personally, it isn't something I care too much about because it is extremely subjective, but I can see why some fans take it quite seriously. Wait a second... you just tried to justify it? I do think that if a current PFP list is to exist in the eyes of fans then it should consist of current active fighters who are taking part in meaningful bouts, even if only twice a year. The term p4p should be stricken from the list.

Floyd for me is disqualified in that regard. In what regard? And Floyd coming back and beating Paulie Malignaggi or whoever should not be enough to put him at the top of the pile. If Floyd wants a tune up then so be it. He needs to make the meaningful fights that exist out there for him and that means Manny or Martinez. You can't come back and be top dog on the back of tune up fights. Leonard came off a three year retirement. Can Floyd still beat the best in his mid 30's? Can Hopkins? There is no sign of us finding out as of yet and tune ups aren't going to help us distinguish anything.

I agree with Elterrible that Martinez is the most impressive fighter today in that regard. Straight fights against very solid opposition. No catchweights, no questionable timing of opponents etc. The man is on the trajectory up. Manny has stalled with his leftovers and Floyd has gone AWOL.

No argument on Martinez. Put my answers in bold Ftr.

PFP is about opinions. I put forth earlier that it was my opinion that a year out with no fight planned = disqualification. He has no reason to be in any list, he is effectively retired.

If Floyd wants a tune up then fair enough, but it isn't enough to catapult him back to the top of any list. You have to beat meaningful opposition to deserve PFP status and not just wins attained however many years ago.

Leonard did indeed come back off of a long layoff, but for those 18 months when there NOTHING happening then he too was effectively retired. Didn't he say as much too?

Hopkins can and does compete, he hasn't retired. He has fought stiff opposition in Pascal, Calzaghe and Pavlik.

Thanks for clarifying that. Its a crock. A popularity contest with no basis in fact. Its a buzz word like you see in power point presentations.

I think we basically agree on this really. I rarely get into those kinds of threads where people are positing endless lists of P4P fighters and arguing back and forth on it. I do believe that inactivity should automoatically exclude a fighter from such lists and I do believe it quite sensible to come to relatively sane conclusions concerning who the top fighters are, but coming up with long lists and debating it is beyond me. I just don't care enough about that really. Yeah, to a large extent I think it probably is about people going on what they like and that is what the Manny/Floyd debate is often about. I think it is a very valid argument to dismiss a fighter who doesn't fight though and I think that is a very simple argument to make and Floyd is what this thread is all about.

Fair enough. I suppose it makes a great deal to Floyd to be removed from this list. Like Leonard coming off a 3 year retirement to fight Hagler.