No comments regarding Tomasz adamek vs kevin mcbride???

[JazMerkin]

Alright I completely disagree with you there. Vitali and Wlad may be too big of a bite to chew for Adamek. Who are you considering #3? If it is Povetkin, I'd give Adamek a solid shot to win. If it is Haye, same. Remember: Adamek did more at cruiserweight than Haye did, and honestly, basically just as much at heavyweight or at least close.

I would sig bet that Haye KOs him in 8 rounds or less were they to fight. Adamek's advantages against other HWs (speed, skill) wouldn't be there against Haye. All he is more durable, but he doesn't have Haye's athleticism, & if nothing else Haye has a special kind of power. Apparently Adam Booth was chomping at the bit to get Haye in with Adamek because of how easy a fight he thought it was & I definitely agree. Not cause Adamek is bad, it's just at HW, he's a terrible match-up for Haye. His people probably know that Vitali's age & lack of movement make him the best of the beltholders for Adamek. He still will struggle to win a round.

[Rantcatrat]

Alright I completely disagree with you there. Vitali and Wlad may be too big of a bite to chew for Adamek. Who are you considering #3? If it is Povetkin, I'd give Adamek a solid shot to win. If it is Haye, same. Remember: Adamek did more at cruiserweight than Haye did, and honestly, basically just as much at heavyweight or at least close.

I would sig bet that Haye KOs him in 8 rounds or less were they to fight. Adamek's advantages against other HWs (speed, skill) wouldn't be there against Haye. All he is more durable, but he doesn't have Haye's athleticism, & if nothing else Haye has a special kind of power. Apparently Adam Booth was chomping at the bit to get Haye in with Adamek because of how easy a fight he thought it was & I definitely agree. Not cause Adamek is bad, it's just at HW, he's a terrible match-up for Haye. His people probably know that Vitali's age & lack of movement make him the best of the beltholders for Adamek. He still will struggle to win a round.

Won't sigbet on that because Haye should be favored going into that fight. But, I don't believe the disparity in talent is as wide as you do. I also believe Adamek has done more with his career than Haye has. Haye picked the perfect heavyweights to fight so far just like Adamek has. Adamek would have beat Ruiz and Valuev too. To me, and I know a lot of people on this board disagree, but I believe at heavyweight, it is Wlad and Vitali, then the rest. That was my point in that last post. Povetkin, Haye, and Adamek are the next group, and then there's the Tony Thompson's etc.

[JazMerkin]

Alright I completely disagree with you there. Vitali and Wlad may be too big of a bite to chew for Adamek. Who are you considering #3? If it is Povetkin, I'd give Adamek a solid shot to win. If it is Haye, same. Remember: Adamek did more at cruiserweight than Haye did, and honestly, basically just as much at heavyweight or at least close.

I would sig bet that Haye KOs him in 8 rounds or less were they to fight. Adamek's advantages against other HWs (speed, skill) wouldn't be there against Haye. All he is more durable, but he doesn't have Haye's athleticism, & if nothing else Haye has a special kind of power. Apparently Adam Booth was chomping at the bit to get Haye in with Adamek because of how easy a fight he thought it was & I definitely agree. Not cause Adamek is bad, it's just at HW, he's a terrible match-up for Haye. His people probably know that Vitali's age & lack of movement make him the best of the beltholders for Adamek. He still will struggle to win a round.

Won't sigbet on that because Haye should be favored going into that fight. But, I don't believe the disparity in talent is as wide as you do. I also believe Adamek has done more with his career than Haye has. Haye picked the perfect heavyweights to fight so far just like Adamek has. Adamek would have beat Ruiz and Valuev too. To me, and I know a lot of people on this board disagree, but I believe at heavyweight, it is Wlad and Vitali, then the rest. That was my point in that last post. Povetkin, Haye, and Adamek are the next group, and then there's the Tony Thompson's etc.

I'd be tempted to agree with the part in bold, but the difference is that I feel Haye is just a weight-class bigger naturally. Adamek was a big LHW who became the best at CW. Haye was a big CW (also The Man at the weight) who has become a quality HW.

Like I said earlier, I feel Haye is quicker, stronger & the better boxer. Adamek is more durable & I reckon has a better chin, but I think Haye is all wrong for him. I also think the Klitschkos are definitely better, but the fact is I believe Haye 'could' (not would or is likely to) beat both. I don't think Adamek could beat either. Let's say that fight gets made, I'll sigbet that Haye has him out of there in 8. If Adamek wins or even lasts longer, then I lose

[Rantcatrat]

Alright I completely disagree with you there. Vitali and Wlad may be too big of a bite to chew for Adamek. Who are you considering #3? If it is Povetkin, I'd give Adamek a solid shot to win. If it is Haye, same. Remember: Adamek did more at cruiserweight than Haye did, and honestly, basically just as much at heavyweight or at least close.

I would sig bet that Haye KOs him in 8 rounds or less were they to fight. Adamek's advantages against other HWs (speed, skill) wouldn't be there against Haye. All he is more durable, but he doesn't have Haye's athleticism, & if nothing else Haye has a special kind of power. Apparently Adam Booth was chomping at the bit to get Haye in with Adamek because of how easy a fight he thought it was & I definitely agree. Not cause Adamek is bad, it's just at HW, he's a terrible match-up for Haye. His people probably know that Vitali's age & lack of movement make him the best of the beltholders for Adamek. He still will struggle to win a round.

Won't sigbet on that because Haye should be favored going into that fight. But, I don't believe the disparity in talent is as wide as you do. I also believe Adamek has done more with his career than Haye has. Haye picked the perfect heavyweights to fight so far just like Adamek has. Adamek would have beat Ruiz and Valuev too. To me, and I know a lot of people on this board disagree, but I believe at heavyweight, it is Wlad and Vitali, then the rest. That was my point in that last post. Povetkin, Haye, and Adamek are the next group, and then there's the Tony Thompson's etc.

I'd be tempted to agree with the part in bold, but the difference is that I feel Haye is just a weight-class bigger naturally. Adamek was a big LHW who became the best at CW. Haye was a big CW (also The Man at the weight) who has become a quality HW.

Like I said earlier, I feel Haye is quicker, stronger & the better boxer. Adamek is more durable & I reckon has a better chin, but I think Haye is all wrong for him. I also think the Klitschkos are definitely better, but the fact is I believe Haye 'could' (not would or is likely to) beat both. I don't think Adamek could beat either. Let's say that fight gets made, I'll sigbet that Haye has him out of there in 8. If Adamek wins or even lasts longer, then I lose

Alright. Let me think about it. A lot is possible in between the fight. If Haye is clobbered and demoralized by Wlad, we may never see him in a ring again; he has, lest we forget, claimed he is retiring soon. Same goes for Adamek.

One more thing about Adamek and Vitali. Isn't the fight planned to be at this new stadium in Warsaw? Maybe he'll take a few rounds on the cards as a result. Just sayin'.

How do you feel about Povetkin and Haye. See that is a match that I think is very even at least with Povetkin on a good day because Povetkin has a chin and Haye doesn't.

[badr_hari]

Haye and Adamek have very hard fights against the Klitschko's next. A loss will probably mean end of career for both of them, so don't even expect to see a clash between these two EVER.

How do you feel about Povetkin and Haye. See that is a match that I think is very even at least with Povetkin on a good day because Povetkin has a chin and Haye doesn't.

Povetkin is better than both, Haye and Adamek.

[El Kabong]

Povetkin-The WBA titleholder is a more fair fight...those guys are similar in stature, they both have their flaws, the majority of which occur in their defense. I still question Povetkin's chin...Chambers stuck him good in their fight but bad news for the WBA titleholder it was with a very quick, very sharp, straight as an arrow right cross. I would give 60-40 odds in favor of the WBA title holder simply due to speed and athletic ability....vs Wlad he stands a little better odds than Adamek vs Vitali but not much, I see it 80-20 in Wlad's favor and maybe closing in on 90-10 given the outside distractions that are already popping up for him.

[Kev]

My thoughts on Adamek vs Haye.

I don't think it's easy to say who is better between the two. I give Haye a better shot against the Klitschko's, especially Wlad because of one thing, power.

Haye does at least have a punchers chance. To me, that is the only chance either of these guys would have against either Klitschko, and it's clear Adamek doesn't have that, most definitely not against Vitali.

I believe Haye might have the power to hurt him if he lands and thus in theory his winning chances are higher. That side, I by no means think Haye will necessarily do better than Adamek against either, in fact I think he is more likely to get stopped than Adamek.

Regarding their careers, saying who has had the better career is not easy.

Haye was a unified cruiserweight champion knocking out both Mormeck and Maccarinnelli. Those were significant wins, even though in reality I don't think either was a great fighter, and I think Adamek could have beat them both too.

I disagree with Hulk that Adamek's resume at cruiser is better. He got a KO over O'Neil Bell but that was a weird fight. Bell seemed mentally ill at that time and just quit in the fight. No question Haye would have easily beaten him that night as well. The Bell that knocked out Mormeck however was a whole different animal and a challenge to both. But he was a weird hot and cold fighter and mentally not right. He was going to lose to whoever the night Adamek beat him imo. It was like McCall in the Lewis rematch, very strange.

As for edging Cunningham in a split decision is that a great win? Not if you're thinking of a man to beat Vitali it's certainly not.

Honestly I think Hayes wins at cruiser were more significant he was the unified champ knocking out two reigning world champs.

Adamek had one former champ quit the fight becuase he felt sick and dizzy and retired from the sport, and a close win over Cunningham who whilst a decent fighter isn't someone I think is world class in any way.

Johnathon Banks isn't a big win really either seeing as he had to battle to a draw against a 19-7-3 Jason Gavern last year.

At heavyweight again I have to favour Haye. Adameks resume Arreola aside is actually a bit embarrassing I think.

I'm sorry to say but Golota, Grant, Maddalone and Kevin McBride are joke fights. Grant and Golota are on a par with Audley Harrison, the other two well below even him, they would be very poor opponents for any of the other top heavyweights to face.

I don't rate Valuev, and think Ruiz and Hoylfield also beat him as well as Haye, but he was still a reigning world champ and well above the four guys mentioned above. Ruiz was probably equal to Arreola, Barrett and Harrison poor opposition but not Maddalone or McBride poor.

Neither has a resume to compare even to Eddie Chambers or Tony Thompson, Chambers with impressive wins over Sam Peter,Calvin Brock and Dimitrenko, Thompson having beaten Timor Ibragimov, Krusneqi and Chazz Witherspoon.

Really though none of the contenders have done much at all. The Klitschko's are head and shoulders above the rest in terms of resume's.

I think in a head to head Adamek vs Haye is a great matchup. Haye's power and speed vs Adameks toughness and workrate. I think it's a 50/50 fight against each other, I'd lean towards Haye if pushed but Adamek could definitely beat him.

I'm still not convinced that either of them is really as good as Chambers, Thompson, Povetkin, Juan Carlos Gomez or Solis however, but really that is personal opinion more than based on anything objective.

Certainly I would have Haye as number 3 in the world right now and Adamek, maybe 6 after Chambers and Povetkin.

I really don't see why he's considered a top 5 fighter decisioning the likes of Michael Grant and Kevin Mcbride. If anything taking those fights should have moved him down.

Arreola aside even Derek Chisora has a better resume with KO wins over Sam Sexton and Danny Williams

[Rantcatrat]

My thoughts on Adamek vs Haye.

I don't think it's easy to say who is better between the two. I give Haye a better shot against the Klitschko's, especially Wlad because of one thing, power.

Haye does at least have a punchers chance. To me, that is the only chance either of these guys would have against either Klitschko, and it's clear Adamek doesn't have that, most definitely not against Vitali.

I believe Haye might have the power to hurt him if he lands and thus in theory his winning chances are higher. That side, I by no means think Haye will necessarily do better than Adamek against either, in fact I think he is more likely to get stopped than Adamek.

Regarding their careers, saying who has had the better career is not easy.

Haye was a unified cruiserweight champion knocking out both Mormeck and Maccarinnelli. Those were significant wins, even though in reality I don't think either was a great fighter, and I think Adamek could have beat them both too.

I disagree with Hulk that Adamek's resume at cruiser is better. He got a KO over O'Neil Bell but that was a weird fight. Bell seemed mentally ill at that time and just quit in the fight. No question Haye would have easily beaten him that night as well. The Bell that knocked out Mormeck however was a whole different animal and a challenge to both. But he was a weird hot and cold fighter and mentally not right. He was going to lose to whoever the night Adamek beat him imo. It was like McCall in the Lewis rematch, very strange.

As for edging Cunningham in a split decision is that a great win? Not if you're thinking of a man to beat Vitali it's certainly not.

Honestly I think Hayes wins at cruiser were more significant he was the unified champ knocking out two reigning world champs.

Adamek had one former champ quit the fight becuase he felt sick and dizzy and retired from the sport, and a close win over Cunningham who whilst a decent fighter isn't someone I think is world class in any way.

Johnathon Banks isn't a big win really either seeing as he had to battle to a draw against a 19-7-3 Jason Gavern last year.

At heavyweight again I have to favour Haye. Adameks resume Arreola aside is actually a bit embarrassing I think.

I'm sorry to say but Golota, Grant, Maddalone and Kevin McBride are joke fights. Grant and Golota are on a par with Audley Harrison, the other two well below even him, they would be very poor opponents for any of the other top heavyweights to face.

I don't rate Valuev, and think Ruiz and Hoylfield also beat him as well as Haye, but he was still a reigning world champ and well above the four guys mentioned above. Ruiz was probably equal to Arreola, Barrett and Harrison poor opposition but not Maddalone or McBride poor.

Neither has a resume to compare even to Eddie Chambers or Tony Thompson, Chambers with impressive wins over Sam Peter,Calvin Brock and Dimitrenko, Thompson having beaten Timor Ibragimov, Krusneqi and Chazz Witherspoon.

Really though none of the contenders have done much at all. The Klitschko's are head and shoulders above the rest in terms of resume's.

I think in a head to head Adamek vs Haye is a great matchup. Haye's power and speed vs Adameks toughness and workrate. I think it's a 50/50 fight against each other, I'd lean towards Haye if pushed but Adamek could definitely beat him.

I'm still not convinced that either of them is really as good as Chambers, Thompson, Povetkin, Juan Carlos Gomez or Solis however, but really that is personal opinion more than based on anything objective.

Certainly I would have Haye as number 3 in the world right now and Adamek, maybe 6 after Chambers and Povetkin.

I really don't see why he's considered a top 5 fighter decisioning the likes of Michael Grant and Kevin Mcbride. If anything taking those fights should have moved him down.

Arreola aside even Derek Chisora has a better resume with KO wins over Sam Sexton and Danny Williams

Bilbo, it may seem strange, but I actually often see eye to eye with you, however, I completely disagree with you about Haye having a better cruiser resume than Adamek. Haye's biggest win at cruiser was probably over Fragomeni, maybe over Mormeck. Maca is not a good win. I'm sorry, but it isn't. It's like having a win over BJ Flores. Yes, Haye unified, but unifying against Maca isn't very impressive. To put it in perspective, Maca beat Mark Hobson to get the title in the first place. Mark Hobson!

A win over Cunningham is better than any win on Haye's cruiserweight resume by far - and really, although it's a little bit of a stetch, probably better than any win Haye has at all. Going into the Adamek fight, Cunningham had beat Guillermo Jones, the Polish guy with the name I can't pronounce who is a perenial top five cruiserweight, and Marco Huck. Those are all top five cruiserweights who have beat other top five cruiserweights. Maca has never beat a top five cruiserweight, let alone a top 30 cruiserweight. Fragomeni is a decent win, but that's it, just decent. The win over O'Neil Bell is on par with Haye's win over Mormeck. Hell, even Cunningham has a far better resume than Haye at cruiserweight even with his loss against Adamek.

Looking back at your post, you say "Haye's wins at cruiserweight are more significant than Adamek's." Maybe unifying the belts at a weight class is more significant than one better victory. That's a subjective. I don't agree, but that's just me.

Now, I'm not saying I believe Adamek would beat Haye. I'd lean toward Haye in that fight. The longer it went, the better it would be for Adamek though. I'm saying that Adamek's career is more impressive than Haye's given that Haye had more natural gifts than Adamek, yet Adamek has accomplished more.

[Rantcatrat]

Bilbo, in regards to your opinion that you aren't convinced that Haye and Adamek are better than Chambers, Povetkin, or Thompson. I agree with you. I also agree that I would have Haye ranked above Adamek in the heavyweight rankings. Adamek has two decent wins at heavyweight, Arreola and Estrada. Haye's wins over Ruiz and Valuev are better wins. Even those wins though, aren't super impressive. The rest aren't impressive. There's a reason that Adamek didn't choose Thompson to face in preparation for Klitschko given that Thompson is huge too. Careful matchmaking.