WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???

[InTheNeutralCorner]

That's only if your talking about pac vs floyd. And the reasons why that fight didn't happen. I'm not talking about that so much.

Pac could have demanded drug testing in all/any of his fights since the first floyd negotiation.

It would have been sensible to do that for a number of reasons.....

It would have made it look without a shadow of a doubt that floyd was ducking him

It would have shown whatever floyd can do manny can do better

It would have proven him clean

It would have made him look like a pioneering hero of the sport

It would have pissed off all his detractors no end.


The list could honestly go on.

If I'd been in pacs shoes that's what I'd have done.

It would have been amazing and add to his status if he did ths.

But not doing it should not make his accomplishments any less. It isn't his obligation to do this. None of the boxers now or before him has done it so why put it on Manny's shoulders? If someone else does it in the future, then he gets that admiration. I don't even think Floyd's actual intention with those blood test demand is to clean up the sport but I'm still waiting for him to prove me wrong.

[Hornfinger]

It's not that it was placed on manny's shoulders. What I'm saying is he could have chosen to take it on and elvated himself further. He chose not to. That frustrated me.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

It's not that it was placed on manny's shoulders. What I'm saying is he could have chosen to take it on and elvated himself further. He chose not to. That frustrated me.

But if he has chosen not to and not elevate himself further, so be it.

It's not up to the boxer to clean up the sport. That's what the boxing commissions should be doing. You should be frustrated with them.

[Hornfinger]

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

We are now going into the dirty politics behind boxing. And you are now blaming all the boxers but putting most of the responsibility on Pacquaio.

Do you really expect them to go on strike? Do you think if Pacquiao calls on the boxers to go on strike to clean up the sport that they would all listen? I don't think he can even convince his own countrymen to do this. They would just tell him that it's easy for him to say this because he had already earned millions.

Boxing is not like some team sports (basketball, football, baseball) where they can easily unite and have a single voice since they have union representatives. Boxing is an individual sport and one boxer can not speak for the rest.

[Hornfinger]

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

We are now going into the dirty politics behind boxing. And you are now blaming all the boxers but putting most of the responsibility on Pacquaio.

Do you really expect them to go on strike? Do you think if Pacquiao calls on the boxers to go on strike to clean up the sport that they would all listen? I don't think he can even convince his own countrymen to do this. They would just tell him that it's easy for him to say this because he had already earned millions.

Boxing is not like some team sports (basketball, football, baseball) where they can easily unite and have a single voice since they have union representatives. Boxing is an individual sport and one boxer can not speak for the rest.

Yes we are going into the dirty polloticks

Nope I'm not blaming the boxers

And nope I'm not lumping it all on pacquiao. You're back in pactard territory, taking what I'm saying out of context and to rediculous extremes.

As I said in my post (me repeating things for you again!?) '....boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.'

Boxers can change the sport. But first they must realise they can and then they have to decide if they want to or not.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

We are now going into the dirty politics behind boxing. And you are now blaming all the boxers but putting most of the responsibility on Pacquaio.

Do you really expect them to go on strike? Do you think if Pacquiao calls on the boxers to go on strike to clean up the sport that they would all listen? I don't think he can even convince his own countrymen to do this. They would just tell him that it's easy for him to say this because he had already earned millions.

Boxing is not like some team sports (basketball, football, baseball) where they can easily unite and have a single voice since they have union representatives. Boxing is an individual sport and one boxer can not speak for the rest.

Yes we are going into the dirty polloticks

Nope I'm not blaming the boxers
If your statement that "If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies." isn't blaming them, then what is it?

And nope I'm not lumping it all on pacquiao. You're back in pactard territory, taking what I'm saying out of context and to rediculous extremes.
Another statement of yours: "Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator." That's putting more responsibilities on Manny, and I didn't say "all".

As I said in my post (me repeating things for you again!?) '....boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.'

Boxers can change the sport. But first they must realise they can and then they have to decide if they want to or not.
And how do you think the boxers will be able to decide to change the sports? Go to a big boxer conference/meeting and come up with a solitary position on how to change the sport, then put it into action as a collective?.

What you are insinuating is easier said than done.

[fan johnny]

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

You don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.

The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.

[Hornfinger]

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

You don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.

The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.

HAHAHAHAHA So where does their money come from? The tooth fairy? Or do you think their people work for free? You're not an economist are you? And you're calling me an idiot? Way to go retard.

Also the commisions are doing an excellent job caring for fighters health with their out of date, stone age, crap, can't detect fuck all, half arsed urine testing.

LOL might want to start thinking before you type especially when accusing people of knowing 'fuck all'

[fan johnny]

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

You don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.

The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.

HAHAHAHAHA So where does their money come from? The tooth fairy? Or do you think their people work for free? You're not an economist are you? And you're calling me an idiot? Way to go retard.

Also the commisions are doing an excellent job caring for fighters health with their out of date, stone age, crap, can't detect fuck all, half arsed urine testing.

LOL might want to start thinking before you type especially when accusing people of knowing 'fuck all'

It comes from the tax payers.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

You don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.

The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.

See hornfinger, I told you I'm not the only one who calls you that.

And you have made several statements here where you don't know what you're talking about.

[mafiajoey]

And you guys believe if Manny said 2 weeks that this was on paper and Floyd refused? I want proof. These guys need to put this shit on paper.

But as far as testing If you go over to the "Off topic" I love how Marbleheadmaui has a different approach when it;s not Manny.... lol

[Hornfinger]

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

You don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.

The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.

See hornfinger, I told you I'm not the only one who calls you that.

And you have made several statements here where you don't know what you're talking about.

So what? you pactards stick together. Why would that bother me. Just cuz theres more than opne of you doesn't make you any less stupid.