Roy Jones, where did it all go wrong?

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It's also funny that some talk about BHOP's technical skills, yet roy clearly out pointed him. But I guess BHOP was too green, even though he had more fights than roy, and he was ranked #1 MW and Roy #2. Roy is discredited as if he was prime and BHOP wasn't. The best version of Roy would have beaten the best version bhop 9 out 10 times.

BHOP was ranked #9 at the time.

You can skip to 29 seconds....

Um those are th IBF rankings and therefore meaningless. Ring had BHOP ninth.

Okay, fine let's do it your way, since only the RING rankings matter. Ring had Roy at the top, bhop at 8. Roy get's discredited on his resume even though he beat 5 out of 9 of them. ranked by ring. Then as a super middleweight he beat most of the RING RANKED opponents, and LHW, he beat most them too. But his resume sucks? BHOP is ATG and a technical genius, although by comparison his resume is weaker than RJJ's.... go figure.

Why is BHOP the resume standard again? I think BHOP belongs very close to Dick Tiger, both 160 and 175 champs, both beat 20 or so ranked guys and both beat several HOFers. According to where Ring ranks Tiger that puts BHOP somewhere in the 30's since 1922 and by implication probably around 40-50 or so all-time. According to Bert Sugar that puts BHOP around 60ish all-time.

Now I've got Tiger a little better than that. Probably in the 40's somewhere.

Now checking a few things I've got Roy beating 2 HOFers, a one division champ (apples to apples with how I count BHOP's and Tigers) and by my quick count, beat 16 ranked guys. Enormously impressive. But is that really measurably better than BHOP's? Looks pretty close to me.

Bhop beat blown up WW HOFers, if you count them, then RJJ beat at least 4 HOFers. BHOP, TONEY, MCCallum,PAZ, Tito,

I try to count everyone. That's six for Tiger, four for Roy (thanks!) and three for BHOP.

I find it REALLY amusing that in one post you hammer Bernard for fighting blown up welters and then give Roy credit for beating Tito ten pounds heavier yet and in his first fight in three years

Again, don't these resumes (all three) look pretty close to you?

Notice i said "IF YOU COUNT THEM", I normally just count BHOP and TONEY for Jones. But since bhop gets credit for beating obviously faded out shape Oscar and blown up tito, then roy get's credit too.

LOL, thought I'd sneak that past you

But back to the question I asked. Don't those resumes seem really similar to you?

They could be similar, but I find it inconsistent that it would have bHOP ranked some 20 spots ahead of RJJ when his resume is clearly weaker.

I don't know who "it" is that has BHOP 20 positions ahead. I also don't see how you can agree they are similar and then assert BHOP's is clearly weaker. I missed something somewhere.

Maybe I was unclear. I am arguing Tiger-BHOP-Roy all belong in the same area and then saying where Ring and Sugar and I have Dick Tiger. Ring would say Tiger is 40-50, Sugar says he's 63 IIRC and I say 40-50.

I hope that's more clear.