< David Haye vs. Monte Barrett > It's go time... Let's talk it out.

[Fenster]

Booth has been counting his punches per round for a while now.. i think back to the Abdoul fight (schooling in public session).

I don't think his stamina is a big problem.. the majority of his fights wont last 6 rounds - win or lose.

I think Barrett (although possibly drunk) came to fight. And is a lot faster than many "better" heavyweights Haye might face.

[El Kabong]

Speed doesn't mean much without control and accuracy

[Kev]

JT whenever a fighter hypes himself up as much as Haye he's going to be looked at more closely. Haye has been hyped by himself and his fans and from what I saw he wanted to have a show last night and for the most part he did but he also showed off some flaws.


My question is this: Do you want boxing fans to tell you what they see or do you want them to help you hype up your favorite fighter?


Haye KO'd Monte Barrett, it's what was expected of him....it doesn't mean in doing so that there are no flaws in Haye's game or that he fought a picture perfect match....he didn't and he'd be lying to everyone if he said otherwise.


There is a difference in being truthful and being a hater or a nut hugger....I am happy Haye won but I forsee trouble for him in the future and not with Wlad or Vitali but with maybe a guy like James Toney or someone else...we'll just have to see who he fights next and what route to a title he wants to take.

I agree 100% Haye should stay the hell away from Toney at this point, james would have a blast picking him apart and countering.. David is still growing and maturing as a fighter..Haye has tremendous upside and is great for the division..

No way does Haye have a snowballs chance in hell against Vitali if he is healthy

I don't know I love James Toney he's a legend but he's looked bad in recent outings. We can't really tell anything from the fight with Rahman as it was over before it began but Toney looked God awful against that Bachelder bum and pretty terrible against Sam Peter in their rematch. He hardly impressive in the first Rahman fight either.

I don't think he'll get past Thompson to be honest, I think he's just about ready to retire now.

I can't see him beating David Haye at this stage in his career. I'd love to see him [ut an ass whupping on the Hayemaker but the Toney that stopped Holyfield, that beat up Jirov and owned John Ruiz is sadly long gone imo.

[JT Rock]

JT whenever a fighter hypes himself up as much as Haye he's going to be looked at more closely. Haye has been hyped by himself and his fans and from what I saw he wanted to have a show last night and for the most part he did but he also showed off some flaws.


My question is this: Do you want boxing fans to tell you what they see or do you want them to help you hype up your favorite fighter?


Haye KO'd Monte Barrett, it's what was expected of him....it doesn't mean in doing so that there are no flaws in Haye's game or that he fought a picture perfect match....he didn't and he'd be lying to everyone if he said otherwise.


There is a difference in being truthful and being a hater or a nut hugger....I am happy Haye won but I forsee trouble for him in the future and not with Wlad or Vitali but with maybe a guy like James Toney or someone else...we'll just have to see who he fights next and what route to a title he wants to take.

I agree 100% Haye should stay the hell away from Toney at this point, james would have a blast picking him apart and countering.. David is still growing and maturing as a fighter..Haye has tremendous upside and is great for the division..

No way does Haye have a snowballs chance in hell against Vitali if he is healthy

I don't know I love James Toney he's a legend but he's looked bad in recent outings. We can't really tell anything from the fight with Rahman as it was over before it began but Toney looked God awful against that Bachelder bum and pretty terrible against Sam Peter in their rematch. He hardly impressive in the first Rahman fight either.

I don't think he'll get past Thompson to be honest, I think he's just about ready to retire now.

I can't see him beating David Haye at this stage in his career. I'd love to see him [ut an ass whupping on the Hayemaker but the Toney that stopped Holyfield, that beat up Jirov and owned John Ruiz is sadly long gone imo.

Even at this stage I see him ducking and rolling an over anxious Hayes punches and Haye getting tired or losing steam on his punches.. Toney always looks like a sitting duck, rotund and stationary but he makes you miss and then you pay with counters...

[El Kabong]

...agreed, if you don't throw straight punches James Toney will abuse you with his defense

[SweetPea]

I don't know I love James Toney he's a legend but he's looked bad in recent outings. We can't really tell anything from the fight with Rahman as it was over before it began but Toney looked God awful against that Bachelder bum and pretty terrible against Sam Peter in their rematch. He hardly impressive in the first Rahman fight either.

I don't think he'll get past Thompson to be honest, I think he's just about ready to retire now.

I can't see him beating David Haye at this stage in his career. I'd love to see him [ut an ass whupping on the Hayemaker but the Toney that stopped Holyfield, that beat up Jirov and owned John Ruiz is sadly long gone imo.

Agreed. The Toney of 4-5 years ago could've beaten Haye. But Toney is an old, old fighter at this point.

[DaxxKahn]

Seems as though you are letting your emotions get the better of you. I have watched Hayes entire career as I purchased his career set have you? ok well anyway I know that he can stick to a game plan he allowed himself to be dragged into a brawl as he knew he would win. He would not take the same mentality into the ring with either Klitscho brother.

No I don't let my emotions get the better of me when assessing a fighter...I go by performances and what they are doing in the ring....You are using fanboy mentality....

You show your fanboy mentality by saying things such as "I have his career set do you?".....As if you are a kid showing off his new bike.....give it a break....If the guy allows someone like Barrett to make them fight his fight then someone the caliber of Vitaly would certainly have no problem....

But just to save you from any further headaches of trying to defend your fighter I will just put it straight..

Haye does not have the punching power to stop Vitaly...(neither does anyone else in the division).....He will not outbox Vitaly...He will not outslug Vitaly....He can not beat Vitaly simple as that

Oh please. I'm a grown man I'm not a 'fanboy' nor do I follow internet lingo; the purpose of me identifying that I have the David Haye box set was to let you know I have seen every single fight I have many other Box sets also not all of fighters I am a fan of.

Now having watched every fight boxers like Mormeck and Fragomeni (I'm not saying they are better than the Klitscho brothers) had a good enough amount of respect from Haye to ensure he sticks to his game plan until the knockout! My point was just because Haye didn't display that amount of respect here in one fight does not show his inability to stick to a game plan or be calm etc.

You have made an assessment of athletic ability based upon how many fights? where as I have made my assessment based on a career.

Firstoff "Fanboy" is not just internet lingo...There are biased announcers that exibit the same thing at times.....

If you actually believe that I have only seen one of Hayes fights and judge him on that alone then you just add to the Fanboy mentality IMO you are approaching your opinion of Haye with.....

If you actually read everything I said about Haye you would see I never said he always fought like that I used the fight with Barrett as a point on how he can not act if he ever expects to succeed in the HW division and if he is getting overzealous with a guy like Barrett and allowing a guy like Barrett to make him fight that erratic then what will he do when a genuine hard hitting mega HW is in there tapping him...

Fighters like many fans do not seem to realize the power difference between the CW division even the hardest of bangers and that of a 6'5" or 6'6" 245lb HW...or even one at 6'2" and 225lbs...whatis considered a light hitter in the HW ranks can be a power puncher in the CW division....

A fighter taste power he is not used to he can lose control...very easily....add that power coming from a man with skill and control that makes it even more dangerous....

Both klitschkos have that power..they hit hard for even heavyweights...Vitaly is especially brutal when he wants to be...He can also take the punches of the divisions biggest hitters and walk through them....Peter could not phase him..(Regardless of peoples opp of his chin or skill set the man can hit hard)....Lennox who was a huge puncher could not take him off his feet...

Vitaly is skilled...I believe he may have the highest KO% in the sport among champions i know he is over 90%......

He can box...he will be ugly if need be...he has no problem with fighting close nor waiting for the big shot to land......

I don't give a shit if you have seen Hayes fights 200 times and reenacted them in your backyard while drinking beer with your buddies...fact is

Unless Vitaly Klitschko goes in with 2 broke arms....David Haye can not beat the man....

[Fenster]

No I don't let my emotions get the better of me when assessing a fighter...I go by performances and what they are doing in the ring....You are using fanboy mentality....

You show your fanboy mentality by saying things such as "I have his career set do you?".....As if you are a kid showing off his new bike.....give it a break....If the guy allows someone like Barrett to make them fight his fight then someone the caliber of Vitaly would certainly have no problem....

But just to save you from any further headaches of trying to defend your fighter I will just put it straight..

Haye does not have the punching power to stop Vitaly...(neither does anyone else in the division).....He will not outbox Vitaly...He will not outslug Vitaly....He can not beat Vitaly simple as that

Oh please. I'm a grown man I'm not a 'fanboy' nor do I follow internet lingo; the purpose of me identifying that I have the David Haye box set was to let you know I have seen every single fight I have many other Box sets also not all of fighters I am a fan of.

Now having watched every fight boxers like Mormeck and Fragomeni (I'm not saying they are better than the Klitscho brothers) had a good enough amount of respect from Haye to ensure he sticks to his game plan until the knockout! My point was just because Haye didn't display that amount of respect here in one fight does not show his inability to stick to a game plan or be calm etc.

You have made an assessment of athletic ability based upon how many fights? where as I have made my assessment based on a career.

Firstoff "Fanboy" is not just internet lingo...There are biased announcers that exibit the same thing at times.....

If you actually believe that I have only seen one of Hayes fights and judge him on that alone then you just add to the Fanboy mentality IMO you are approaching your opinion of Haye with.....

If you actually read everything I said about Haye you would see I never said he always fought like that I used the fight with Barrett as a point on how he can not act if he ever expects to succeed in the HW division and if he is getting overzealous with a guy like Barrett and allowing a guy like Barrett to make him fight that erratic then what will he do when a genuine hard hitting mega HW is in there tapping him...

Fighters like many fans do not seem to realize the power difference between the CW division even the hardest of bangers and that of a 6'5" or 6'6" 245lb HW...or even one at 6'2" and 225lbs...whatis considered a light hitter in the HW ranks can be a power puncher in the CW division....

A fighter taste power he is not used to he can lose control...very easily....add that power coming from a man with skill and control that makes it even more dangerous....

Both klitschkos have that power..they hit hard for even heavyweights...Vitaly is especially brutal when he wants to be...He can also take the punches of the divisions biggest hitters and walk through them....Peter could not phase him..(Regardless of peoples opp of his chin or skill set the man can hit hard)....Lennox who was a huge puncher could not take him off his feet...

Vitaly is skilled...I believe he may have the highest KO% in the sport among champions i know he is over 90%......

He can box...he will be ugly if need be...he has no problem with fighting close nor waiting for the big shot to land......

I don't give a shit if you have seen Hayes fights 200 times and reenacted them in your backyard while drinking beer with your buddies...fact is

Unless Vitaly Klitschko goes in with 2 broke arms....David Haye can not beat the man....

The best thing about Haye is.. he accepts and admits his weaknesses.

Haye said: "Barrett's jabs were the equivalent of a cruiserweight’s right hand. That is something I’ve got to get comfortable with.”

“I’m nowhere near the finished article, but I’m getting there. I will be the finished article in a couple of years and I will be unstoppable.”

[DaxxKahn]

Oh please. I'm a grown man I'm not a 'fanboy' nor do I follow internet lingo; the purpose of me identifying that I have the David Haye box set was to let you know I have seen every single fight I have many other Box sets also not all of fighters I am a fan of.

Now having watched every fight boxers like Mormeck and Fragomeni (I'm not saying they are better than the Klitscho brothers) had a good enough amount of respect from Haye to ensure he sticks to his game plan until the knockout! My point was just because Haye didn't display that amount of respect here in one fight does not show his inability to stick to a game plan or be calm etc.

You have made an assessment of athletic ability based upon how many fights? where as I have made my assessment based on a career.

Firstoff "Fanboy" is not just internet lingo...There are biased announcers that exibit the same thing at times.....

If you actually believe that I have only seen one of Hayes fights and judge him on that alone then you just add to the Fanboy mentality IMO you are approaching your opinion of Haye with.....

If you actually read everything I said about Haye you would see I never said he always fought like that I used the fight with Barrett as a point on how he can not act if he ever expects to succeed in the HW division and if he is getting overzealous with a guy like Barrett and allowing a guy like Barrett to make him fight that erratic then what will he do when a genuine hard hitting mega HW is in there tapping him...

Fighters like many fans do not seem to realize the power difference between the CW division even the hardest of bangers and that of a 6'5" or 6'6" 245lb HW...or even one at 6'2" and 225lbs...whatis considered a light hitter in the HW ranks can be a power puncher in the CW division....

A fighter taste power he is not used to he can lose control...very easily....add that power coming from a man with skill and control that makes it even more dangerous....

Both klitschkos have that power..they hit hard for even heavyweights...Vitaly is especially brutal when he wants to be...He can also take the punches of the divisions biggest hitters and walk through them....Peter could not phase him..(Regardless of peoples opp of his chin or skill set the man can hit hard)....Lennox who was a huge puncher could not take him off his feet...

Vitaly is skilled...I believe he may have the highest KO% in the sport among champions i know he is over 90%......

He can box...he will be ugly if need be...he has no problem with fighting close nor waiting for the big shot to land......

I don't give a shit if you have seen Hayes fights 200 times and reenacted them in your backyard while drinking beer with your buddies...fact is

Unless Vitaly Klitschko goes in with 2 broke arms....David Haye can not beat the man....

The best thing about Haye is.. he accepts and admits his weaknesses.

Haye said: "Barrett's jabs were the equivalent of a cruiserweight’s right hand. That is something I’ve got to get comfortable with.”

“I’m nowhere near the finished article, but I’m getting there. I will be the finished article in a couple of years and I will be unstoppable.”

I have heard Haye after many of his fights and he is almost like PBF...An asshole until the fight and after he is a gent....I do give him credit for admitting his weaknesses...Shows he is not as full of himself as many think...

But with that being said...

Haye pretty much answered much of the debate with Piye...If he can admit a guy like Barretts jabs were like most cruisers right hands just imagine the effect of one of the better punchers..especially Vitaly....

In a way with his statement of knowing it will be a few years he is almost saying that he knows he is not ready for either of the Brothers Grimm...But he is marketing himself

[Fenster]

Firstoff "Fanboy" is not just internet lingo...There are biased announcers that exibit the same thing at times.....

If you actually believe that I have only seen one of Hayes fights and judge him on that alone then you just add to the Fanboy mentality IMO you are approaching your opinion of Haye with.....

If you actually read everything I said about Haye you would see I never said he always fought like that I used the fight with Barrett as a point on how he can not act if he ever expects to succeed in the HW division and if he is getting overzealous with a guy like Barrett and allowing a guy like Barrett to make him fight that erratic then what will he do when a genuine hard hitting mega HW is in there tapping him...

Fighters like many fans do not seem to realize the power difference between the CW division even the hardest of bangers and that of a 6'5" or 6'6" 245lb HW...or even one at 6'2" and 225lbs...whatis considered a light hitter in the HW ranks can be a power puncher in the CW division....

A fighter taste power he is not used to he can lose control...very easily....add that power coming from a man with skill and control that makes it even more dangerous....

Both klitschkos have that power..they hit hard for even heavyweights...Vitaly is especially brutal when he wants to be...He can also take the punches of the divisions biggest hitters and walk through them....Peter could not phase him..(Regardless of peoples opp of his chin or skill set the man can hit hard)....Lennox who was a huge puncher could not take him off his feet...

Vitaly is skilled...I believe he may have the highest KO% in the sport among champions i know he is over 90%......

He can box...he will be ugly if need be...he has no problem with fighting close nor waiting for the big shot to land......

I don't give a shit if you have seen Hayes fights 200 times and reenacted them in your backyard while drinking beer with your buddies...fact is

Unless Vitaly Klitschko goes in with 2 broke arms....David Haye can not beat the man....

The best thing about Haye is.. he accepts and admits his weaknesses.

Haye said: "Barrett's jabs were the equivalent of a cruiserweight’s right hand. That is something I’ve got to get comfortable with.”

“I’m nowhere near the finished article, but I’m getting there. I will be the finished article in a couple of years and I will be unstoppable.”

I have heard Haye after many of his fights and he is almost like PBF...An asshole until the fight and after he is a gent....I do give him credit for admitting his weaknesses...Shows he is not as full of himself as many think...

But with that being said...

Haye pretty much answered much of the debate with Piye...If he can admit a guy like Barretts jabs were like most cruisers right hands just imagine the effect of one of the better punchers..especially Vitaly....

In a way with his statement of knowing it will be a few years he is almost saying that he knows he is not ready for either of the Brothers Grimm...But he is marketing himself

I wouldn't give him much chance against Vitali (much as in NO chance).. he has a chance against Wlad though.. Haye certainly hits hard enough to exploit anyone with a suspect chin.

[El Kabong]

We don't know about that at the heavyweight division...sorry KO-ing Monte Barrett doesn't mean much after Couser did it...and to a lesser extent Valuev

[Kirkland Laing]

The best thing about Haye is.. he accepts and admits his weaknesses.

Haye said: "Barrett's jabs were the equivalent of a cruiserweight’s right hand. That is something I’ve got to get comfortable with.”

“I’m nowhere near the finished article, but I’m getting there. I will be the finished article in a couple of years and I will be unstoppable.”

I have heard Haye after many of his fights and he is almost like PBF...An asshole until the fight and after he is a gent....I do give him credit for admitting his weaknesses...Shows he is not as full of himself as many think...

But with that being said...

Haye pretty much answered much of the debate with Piye...If he can admit a guy like Barretts jabs were like most cruisers right hands just imagine the effect of one of the better punchers..especially Vitaly....

In a way with his statement of knowing it will be a few years he is almost saying that he knows he is not ready for either of the Brothers Grimm...But he is marketing himself

I wouldn't give him much chance against Vitali (much as in NO chance).. he has a chance against Wlad though.. Haye certainly hits hard enough to exploit anyone with a suspect chin.

You can't call that chin suspect anymore, it got found guilty a long time ago.

[piye]

No I don't let my emotions get the better of me when assessing a fighter...I go by performances and what they are doing in the ring....You are using fanboy mentality....

You show your fanboy mentality by saying things such as "I have his career set do you?".....As if you are a kid showing off his new bike.....give it a break....If the guy allows someone like Barrett to make them fight his fight then someone the caliber of Vitaly would certainly have no problem....

But just to save you from any further headaches of trying to defend your fighter I will just put it straight..

Haye does not have the punching power to stop Vitaly...(neither does anyone else in the division).....He will not outbox Vitaly...He will not outslug Vitaly....He can not beat Vitaly simple as that

Oh please. I'm a grown man I'm not a 'fanboy' nor do I follow internet lingo; the purpose of me identifying that I have the David Haye box set was to let you know I have seen every single fight I have many other Box sets also not all of fighters I am a fan of.

Now having watched every fight boxers like Mormeck and Fragomeni (I'm not saying they are better than the Klitscho brothers) had a good enough amount of respect from Haye to ensure he sticks to his game plan until the knockout! My point was just because Haye didn't display that amount of respect here in one fight does not show his inability to stick to a game plan or be calm etc.

You have made an assessment of athletic ability based upon how many fights? where as I have made my assessment based on a career.

Firstoff "Fanboy" is not just internet lingo...There are biased announcers that exibit the same thing at times.....

If you actually believe that I have only seen one of Hayes fights and judge him on that alone then you just add to the Fanboy mentality IMO you are approaching your opinion of Haye with.....

If you actually read everything I said about Haye you would see I never said he always fought like that I used the fight with Barrett as a point on how he can not act if he ever expects to succeed in the HW division and if he is getting overzealous with a guy like Barrett and allowing a guy like Barrett to make him fight that erratic then what will he do when a genuine hard hitting mega HW is in there tapping him...

Fighters like many fans do not seem to realize the power difference between the CW division even the hardest of bangers and that of a 6'5" or 6'6" 245lb HW...or even one at 6'2" and 225lbs...whatis considered a light hitter in the HW ranks can be a power puncher in the CW division....

A fighter taste power he is not used to he can lose control...very easily....add that power coming from a man with skill and control that makes it even more dangerous....

Both klitschkos have that power..they hit hard for even heavyweights...Vitaly is especially brutal when he wants to be...He can also take the punches of the divisions biggest hitters and walk through them....Peter could not phase him..(Regardless of peoples opp of his chin or skill set the man can hit hard)....Lennox who was a huge puncher could not take him off his feet...

Vitaly is skilled...I believe he may have the highest KO% in the sport among champions i know he is over 90%......

He can box...he will be ugly if need be...he has no problem with fighting close nor waiting for the big shot to land......

I don't give a shit if you have seen Hayes fights 200 times and reenacted them in your backyard while drinking beer with your buddies...fact is

Unless Vitaly Klitschko goes in with 2 broke arms....David Haye can not beat the man....

Honestly, so you call me a fanboy but then say in the same amount of stupid text that there is no way that this man Vitali can lose right? and every boxing fan knows anything can happen in a ring; in a heavyweight fight a fight can change in one punch but not when Vitali Klitscho is involved is that what your saying? and you accuse me of being a 'fanboy' you just made one of the most rediculous posts I have seen and I don't really feel like communicating with you any more as I am wasting my time.

[DaxxKahn]

Oh please. I'm a grown man I'm not a 'fanboy' nor do I follow internet lingo; the purpose of me identifying that I have the David Haye box set was to let you know I have seen every single fight I have many other Box sets also not all of fighters I am a fan of.

Now having watched every fight boxers like Mormeck and Fragomeni (I'm not saying they are better than the Klitscho brothers) had a good enough amount of respect from Haye to ensure he sticks to his game plan until the knockout! My point was just because Haye didn't display that amount of respect here in one fight does not show his inability to stick to a game plan or be calm etc.

You have made an assessment of athletic ability based upon how many fights? where as I have made my assessment based on a career.

Firstoff "Fanboy" is not just internet lingo...There are biased announcers that exibit the same thing at times.....

If you actually believe that I have only seen one of Hayes fights and judge him on that alone then you just add to the Fanboy mentality IMO you are approaching your opinion of Haye with.....

If you actually read everything I said about Haye you would see I never said he always fought like that I used the fight with Barrett as a point on how he can not act if he ever expects to succeed in the HW division and if he is getting overzealous with a guy like Barrett and allowing a guy like Barrett to make him fight that erratic then what will he do when a genuine hard hitting mega HW is in there tapping him...

Fighters like many fans do not seem to realize the power difference between the CW division even the hardest of bangers and that of a 6'5" or 6'6" 245lb HW...or even one at 6'2" and 225lbs...whatis considered a light hitter in the HW ranks can be a power puncher in the CW division....

A fighter taste power he is not used to he can lose control...very easily....add that power coming from a man with skill and control that makes it even more dangerous....

Both klitschkos have that power..they hit hard for even heavyweights...Vitaly is especially brutal when he wants to be...He can also take the punches of the divisions biggest hitters and walk through them....Peter could not phase him..(Regardless of peoples opp of his chin or skill set the man can hit hard)....Lennox who was a huge puncher could not take him off his feet...

Vitaly is skilled...I believe he may have the highest KO% in the sport among champions i know he is over 90%......

He can box...he will be ugly if need be...he has no problem with fighting close nor waiting for the big shot to land......

I don't give a shit if you have seen Hayes fights 200 times and reenacted them in your backyard while drinking beer with your buddies...fact is

Unless Vitaly Klitschko goes in with 2 broke arms....David Haye can not beat the man....

Honestly, so you call me a fanboy but then say in the same amount of stupid text that there is no way that this man Vitali can lose right? and every boxing fan knows anything can happen in a ring; in a heavyweight fight a fight can change in one punch but not when Vitali Klitscho is involved is that what your saying? and you accuse me of being a 'fanboy' you just made one of the most rediculous posts I have seen and I don't really feel like communicating with you any more as I am wasting my time.

Your kidding me right?...You are going to pout now because I believe in no uncertain terms could David Haye defeat Vitaly Klitschko....

Lennox Lewis could not put Vitaly down...Are you having us to believe that Haye is even 20% the fighter Lennox was at HW?......I made plenty of reasons why Haye can not beat Vitaly...Have you come up with one on why he can?...No you haven't......So it goes to show again your "Fanboy" mentality because you can not debate it...Sure anything can happen in a HW boxing ring but fact is if the two are healthy and met I see no way Haye can beat him...Lets weight it up

Speed--Haye...Though Vitaly is not exactly a turtle

Power--Vitaly

Chin--Vitaly

Size--Vitaly

Reach--Vitaly

Strength--Vitaly

Boxing ability--Vitaly

So please show me where I am wrong....Funny how not one other poster agrees with you on Haye having a chance against Vitaly....

[Pugilistic]

Firstoff "Fanboy" is not just internet lingo...There are biased announcers that exibit the same thing at times.....

If you actually believe that I have only seen one of Hayes fights and judge him on that alone then you just add to the Fanboy mentality IMO you are approaching your opinion of Haye with.....

If you actually read everything I said about Haye you would see I never said he always fought like that I used the fight with Barrett as a point on how he can not act if he ever expects to succeed in the HW division and if he is getting overzealous with a guy like Barrett and allowing a guy like Barrett to make him fight that erratic then what will he do when a genuine hard hitting mega HW is in there tapping him...

Fighters like many fans do not seem to realize the power difference between the CW division even the hardest of bangers and that of a 6'5" or 6'6" 245lb HW...or even one at 6'2" and 225lbs...whatis considered a light hitter in the HW ranks can be a power puncher in the CW division....

A fighter taste power he is not used to he can lose control...very easily....add that power coming from a man with skill and control that makes it even more dangerous....

Both klitschkos have that power..they hit hard for even heavyweights...Vitaly is especially brutal when he wants to be...He can also take the punches of the divisions biggest hitters and walk through them....Peter could not phase him..(Regardless of peoples opp of his chin or skill set the man can hit hard)....Lennox who was a huge puncher could not take him off his feet...

Vitaly is skilled...I believe he may have the highest KO% in the sport among champions i know he is over 90%......

He can box...he will be ugly if need be...he has no problem with fighting close nor waiting for the big shot to land......

I don't give a shit if you have seen Hayes fights 200 times and reenacted them in your backyard while drinking beer with your buddies...fact is

Unless Vitaly Klitschko goes in with 2 broke arms....David Haye can not beat the man....

Honestly, so you call me a fanboy but then say in the same amount of stupid text that there is no way that this man Vitali can lose right? and every boxing fan knows anything can happen in a ring; in a heavyweight fight a fight can change in one punch but not when Vitali Klitscho is involved is that what your saying? and you accuse me of being a 'fanboy' you just made one of the most rediculous posts I have seen and I don't really feel like communicating with you any more as I am wasting my time.

Your kidding me right?...You are going to pout now because I believe in no uncertain terms could David Haye defeat Vitaly Klitschko....

Lennox Lewis could not put Vitaly down...Are you having us to believe that Haye is even 20% the fighter Lennox was at HW?......I made plenty of reasons why Haye can not beat Vitaly...Have you come up with one on why he can?...No you haven't......So it goes to show again your "Fanboy" mentality because you can not debate it...Sure anything can happen in a HW boxing ring but fact is if the two are healthy and met I see no way Haye can beat him...Lets weight it up

Speed--Haye...Though Vitaly is not exactly a turtle

Power--Vitaly

Chin--Vitaly

Size--Vitaly

Reach--Vitaly

Strength--Vitaly

Boxing ability--Vitaly

So please show me where I am wrong....Funny how not one other poster agrees with you on Haye having a chance against Vitaly....

I agree with you.

haye has no chance against Vitali imo.