WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Didn't work did it (seeing as my last post pointed out i've had my views my whole life and long before I'd even heard the name floyd mayweather), instead it made yourself look like a stereotypical pactard that bleets on about mayweather anytime precious pacquiao comes under any kind of scrutiny.

It's easy for you to say that you have these views your whole life but have you expressed it here before the Mayweathers made their accusation? Have you been bitching about all the boxers who had not gone through these random drug test? I need proof (<----Why is it that I seem to have seen this before?). This can be easily done, go back to your old post pre-Mayweather accusation and post them here.

But if you really want to discuss floyd and pac then discuss the following point....

Floyd didn't acuse manny of being a steroid cheat, he simply said that from now on he'd like himself and his opponants to go through random testing before any future fights.I don't see that as being a big ask at all, especially if you are clean.

You are trying to be funny, aren't you? You discredited yourself yet again. You're the only one who didn't think that Floyd accused Manny of being a drug cheat.

I started being pro random in and out of competition testing when I was 6 years old and used to watch my father compete in the British drug free powerlifting association. My dad was frequently tested and would only lift in the drug free organisation and none of the others because the testing was much more rigorous. My dad was british champion and held records for bench, squat and dead lift.

Years later my brother started in the same organisation and then I also did the same.

Spare us your history, nobody is interested in it. I bet you, some of the posters in here have a better history growing up with sports than you and they're not bitching about the drug test.

What has this got to do with Floyd? Nothing. not a thing. But I'm sure you'll fiond to drag him into it some how.

Did you forget the title of this thread? Whose name is in it? Maybe you don't know what PBF stand for? It is you who we established that can't read.

I'm obessed with fairness in sport. not pacquiao. But like a typical pactard you think the world revolves around your man.

And you think you're the only one who care about fairness? Like what I said in my previous post, the burden of proof was with Manny in the first negotiation when he refused Floyd's demands but it had shifted in the second when he agreed to it. The ball in now in Mayweather's court.

And seeing as I was posting on this site long before you even discovered it how the hell woud you know what I've said about testing in the past?

Yep, I don't know what you have posted from long ago. Now, prove me wrong by reposting in here that you have been as passionate in your attack of the boxers who didn't go through the random drug test even before the Mayweather accusation.

I said pretty much the same things when roy jones was rumbled years ago and shane mosley.

Were you criticizing Roy Jones every opportunity you get because he did not go through those drug test?

I've ALWAYS believed in random testing in all sports.

I believe in that too but until that happens I am contented that the athletes are clean until they are proven otherwise.

You keep telling yourself you've discredited me, but the fact is you are yet to make a dent in the points that I reposted (for a second time, onto the 3rd time now), Do I need to repost them for you agiain so you can dodge them again?

If you've discredited me where the fucks the evidence?

Read my post again. I didn't say that I discredited you. You did that to yourself.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

pac hasn't passed a blood test so i don't know if he's clean (and that goes for every other athlete who hasn't passed random testing) sorry his word isn't good enough for me.

Not true. Manny has passed all the blood test that was required. If you are talking about the random drug test that Floyd demanded, then you're correct. Manny and almost every boxer out there haven't passed it. But the fault does not lie with Manny anymore after the second negotiation since he agreed to it and Floyd is the one who backed out of the fight.

testing in the sport is out of date and not good enough

Even if true, what can you do about it? Until they come up with the updated test, I have to be content with what is in place. If someone is not content with that and thinks all the athletes are dirty, they might as well get their interest out of that sport.

nevada state athletic commission don't do a good enough job and don't have the funding to do proper testing on athletes (thanks for backing up that point fanfuck johnny)

Fan johnny exposed you for not knowing what you are talking about. If the NSAC don't do a good enough job, what can you do about it? Why don't you petition yourself to be their commissioner?

[cnote111]

That is my stance. And in my opinion no one has given me any good reason or argument why I should change that point of view.

Fan johnny has given some good arguements.

PSL has been a tyopical blinkered pac fan and put forward some absolutely stupid points

Neutral corner keeps saying i'm discredited but instead of actually saying how or why I'm discredited he starts talking about floyd mayweather.

That is the small and skinny of it thus far.

Ok, just so i don't muck this up...

This is you:
1. Pac has not passed a blood test along with any other fighter that hasn't taken random blood testing. And for you that causes a great deal of distrust.
2. Drug Testing is out of date
3. NSAC is short on funds to make this better.

My response:
1. Year round olympic style is the closest full proof method. No one in professional boxing has done true olympic year round testing (which i'm for) including PBF. He has had some random blood testing and i'm sure there are other fighters that have had unscheduled blood tests and passed. However with no professional boxer is subject to year round olympic style testing this should not instill instant guilt or lack of trust. It means nothing until the system changes. They are fighters competiting in the current system. No reason to be upset about that, right?
2. Yes, not our problem - We are not competiting
3. Yes, what can anyone do about it?

[Hornfinger]

Didn't work did it (seeing as my last post pointed out i've had my views my whole life and long before I'd even heard the name floyd mayweather), instead it made yourself look like a stereotypical pactard that bleets on about mayweather anytime precious pacquiao comes under any kind of scrutiny.

It's easy for you to say that you have these views your whole life but have you expressed it here before the Mayweathers made there accusation? Have you been bitching about all the boxers who had not gone through these random drug test? I need proof (<----Why is it that I seem to have seen this before?). This can be easily done, go back to your old post pre-Mayweather accusation and post them here.

But if you really want to discuss floyd and pac then discuss the following point....

Floyd didn't acuse manny of being a steroid cheat, he simply said that from now on he'd like himself and his opponants to go through random testing before any future fights.I don't see that as being a big ask at all, especially if you are clean.

You are trying to be funny, aren't you? You discredited yourself yet again. You're the only one who didn't think that Floyd accused Manny of being a drug cheat.

I started being pro random in and out of competition testing when I was 6 years old and used to watch my father compete in the British drug free powerlifting association. My dad was frequently tested and would only lift in the drug free organisation and none of the others because the testing was much more rigorous. My dad was british champion and held records for bench, squat and dead lift.

Years later my brother started in the same organisation and then I also did the same.

Spare us your history, nobody is interested in it. I bet you, some of the posters in here have a better history growing up with sports than you and they're not bitching about the drug test.

What has this got to do with Floyd? Nothing. not a thing. But I'm sure you'll fiond to drag him into it some how.

Did you forget the title of this thread? Whose name is in it? Maybe you don't know what PBF stand for? It is you who we established that can't read.

I'm obessed with fairness in sport. not pacquiao. But like a typical pactard you think the world revolves around your man.

And you think you're the only one who care about fairness? Like what I said in my previous post, the burden of proof was with Manny in the first negotiation when he refused Floyd's demands but it had shifted in the second when he agreed to it. The ball in now in Mayweather's court.

And seeing as I was posting on this site long before you even discovered it how the hell woud you know what I've said about testing in the past?

Yep, I don't know what you have posted from long ago. Now, prove me wrong by reposting in here that you have been as passionate in your attack of the boxers who didn't go through the random drug test even before the Mayweather accusation.

I said pretty much the same things when roy jones was rumbled years ago and shane mosley.

Were you criticizing Roy Jones every opportunity you get because he did not go through those drug test?

I've ALWAYS believed in random testing in all sports.

I believe in that too but until that happens I am contented that the athletes are clean until they are proven otherwise.

You keep telling yourself you've discredited me, but the fact is you are yet to make a dent in the points that I reposted (for a second time, onto the 3rd time now), Do I need to repost them for you agiain so you can dodge them again?

If you've discredited me where the fucks the evidence?

Read my post again. I didn't say that I discredited you. You did that to yourself.

My old posts pre mayweather may or may not be still buried on this forum they are 4+ years old. Sift through the old post from 4 years ago or ask saddo to help you out. I personally can't because, i'm scared of needles, can't do it because it weakens me, the rules don't tell me i have to do it, will do it but only with 14 days notice.....

But if you need proof of that then why don't you need proof pac is clean?


At least this shows two things. 1, how hippocritical you are and 2, maybe you have learnt something from this and I have in fact educated you and you now don't just take someones word for something. So maybe you'll stop believing athletes that say 'i'm clean' and actually ask or demand some real evidence of it.

Don't ask me to justify something i.e my anti drug history and where my views stem from and then come with the 'spare me the history.....' crap, just because it blows your theory that i only have my opinions because of floyd mayweather. It discredits you (where have i heard that before?) and makes you look like a sore whining baby.

Maybe other posters on here do have a better history in drug free sports. If they choose not to argue their point of view with some pactard prat on a forum thats their business. You're very good at going off on irrelevant tangents aren't you.

You're also good at taking things out of context. I'm not sure if it's deliberate in an attempt to steer the conversation away from the points you can't answer or put a dent in or if it's just cuz you're an idiot.To repeat (common with you ain't it spacker boy) myself. Floyd's request for drug testing before his matches has nothing to do with my views/stance.


I critisised Roy because he failed a test and that there was a question mark over him. Again it's a case of awww diddums the pactard thinks pacquiao is being unfairly critisised. You really sound like a whining baby.

The only reason you're contented with the way testing is at the moment is because it suits you're fighter. If it was pacquiao asking for stricter testing you'd be siding with that. More typical pactard behavior. If you're contented with the way things are I suggest you do some more research.

And as usual your post ends with you saying I'm discredited but with no evidence of it (pactards are just like pacquiao hahahahaha) and you've still not adressed my three key points.

What a surprise

You talk alot but you say nothing.

[Chino]

Why wouldn’t Pacfans cheer for Olympic Style random blood tests? I mean, it would give everybody a slap on the face if he came out clean “Booyah! Pac is clean! Now what?! Plus he beat your fighter!” Not only that but it would make it fair for Pac as well and his fans knowing that his opponents would fight clean. It's not like a boxer is asked to fight with a hand tied behind his back, BOTH guys are going through it so its fair for both. Everybody wins with Olympic Style random blood tests.

[Hornfinger]

That is my stance. And in my opinion no one has given me any good reason or argument why I should change that point of view.

Fan johnny has given some good arguements.

PSL has been a tyopical blinkered pac fan and put forward some absolutely stupid points

Neutral corner keeps saying i'm discredited but instead of actually saying how or why I'm discredited he starts talking about floyd mayweather.

That is the small and skinny of it thus far.

Ok, just so i don't muck this up...

This is you:
1. Pac has not passed a blood test along with any other fighter that hasn't taken random blood testing. And for you that causes a great deal of distrust.
2. Drug Testing is out of date
3. NSAC is short on funds to make this better.

My response:
1. Year round olympic style is the closest full proof method. No one in professional boxing has done true olympic year round testing (which i'm for) including PBF. He has had some random blood testing and i'm sure there are other fighters that have had unscheduled blood tests and passed. However with no professional boxer is subject to year round olympic style testing this should not instill instant guilt or lack of trust. It means nothing until the system changes. They are fighters competiting in the current system. No reason to be upset about that, right?
2. Yes, not our problem - We are not competiting
3. Yes, what can anyone do about it?

#

You've been able to do in one post what neutral corner hasn't been able to do for 17 pages, and that is address the points. For that I commend you.

1. I stated in a previous post that floyd and shane were clean for their fight. fights before or after that don't included random testing have a question mark. That is my point of view.

2. No we're not but we are the consumer buying PPVs, gambling etc. We should demand/expect fair and even contests. Just cuz I'm not competing doesn't mean I shouldn't care about fairness etc. It's very easy to be apathetic towards the issue, i choose not to be

3. The boxers can do alot about it. Especially the high profile ones that conduct the big money. If they all start demanding random testing etc you'd see it implemented very quickley. As fans it's obviously alot harder to make your voice heard.

[Hornfinger]

Why wouldn’t Pacfans cheer for Olympic Style random blood tests? I mean, it would give everybody a slap on the face if he came out clean “Booyah! Pac is clean! Now what?! Plus he beat your fighter!” Not only that but it would make it fair for Pac as well and his fans knowing that his opponents would fight clean. It's not like a boxer is asked to fight with a hand tied behind his back, BOTH guys are going through it so its fair for both. Everybody wins with Olympic Style random blood tests.

[Hornfinger]

pac hasn't passed a blood test so i don't know if he's clean (and that goes for every other athlete who hasn't passed random testing) sorry his word isn't good enough for me.

Not true. Manny has passed all the blood test that was required. If you are talking about the random drug test that Floyd demanded, then you're correct. Manny and almost every boxer out there haven't passed it. But the fault does not lie with Manny anymore after the second negotiation since he agreed to it and Floyd is the one who backed out of the fight.

testing in the sport is out of date and not good enough

Even if true, what can you do about it? Until they come up with the updated test, I have to be contented with what is in place. If someone is not contented with that and thinks all the athletes are dirty, they might as well get their interest out of that sport.

nevada state athletic commission don't do a good enough job and don't have the funding to do proper testing on athletes (thanks for backing up that point fanfuck johnny)

Fanjohnny exposed you for not knowing what you are talking about. If the NSAC don't do a good enough job, what can you do about it? Why don't you petition yourself to be their commissioner?

Finally!!

I only had to post it 3 times!

Pacs word isn't good enough for me and your reply to that is 'not true' hahahahaha! It's a poor reply to be honest. and you have made no dent in the first point. But yes I am correct, pac and 99.9% of other fighters havn't passed a random test during the run up to a contest and that's why I don't believe they are clean.

So what your saying is if I can't do anything about it I shouldn't care about it. I should just stop talking about it and ignore it? Absolutely pathetic. That might be a great way of life for you but if I have a problem with something I say I have a problem. You just carry on being contented as long as it suits your pacquiao. Just shows you're a pac fan not a boxing fan.

Stay on track. Fan johnny showed us a document that said NSAC couldn't do the testing it wanted to do because lack of funding. Thats a fact. And to me that says testing isn't good enough. And like I said in the last paragraph if I see their being a problem with something I say, even if it does upset blinkered pac fans that live in their pac centered world.

[Hornfinger]

I just see that as rediculously nieve stance to take.

I'm ultra critical of these things, if you sit back and let organisations do what they want expect them to do what's right for them and their wallets, not the good of the sport. Why should I trust NSAC? As I say they will go up in my estimations when they bring in random blood testing, not before.

If you hold peoples feet to the fire and keep organisations on their toes generally I think you get better and more consistant governance.

Yes I do love big mega fights, but ultimately I'm of the opinion that by being stricter on having a level playing and doing more to deter cheating we will get more evenly matched contests and less one sided hammerings that the sport sometimes seems to be plagued with.

If you don't know the meaning of words you shouldn't try to use them. Don't try and write what others would say because you get it wrong. Your mind is completely warped around pacrtard and flomos. None needs to discredit you, you do that just fine all by yourself. You think you grew up and compete in a drug free competition. I guess that could be true if your talking about the kids baseball team.

As I've stated before you come off as a governmental theory conspirest. You stated your bull shit opinion and couldn't back up specifics with simple facts. When you are provided with facts, You partially accept what you think you comprehend and ignore the rest. Join the fukn USADA organization and lobby for federal funds to stop all PED users. You can be the USADA mascot with the "Take the Test" T-Shirt and run around the paying field accusing all the best players of being on PED's.

Plenty of words but nothing said.

[cnote111]

That is my stance. And in my opinion no one has given me any good reason or argument why I should change that point of view.

Fan johnny has given some good arguements.

PSL has been a tyopical blinkered pac fan and put forward some absolutely stupid points

Neutral corner keeps saying i'm discredited but instead of actually saying how or why I'm discredited he starts talking about floyd mayweather.

That is the small and skinny of it thus far.

Ok, just so i don't muck this up...

This is you:
1. Pac has not passed a blood test along with any other fighter that hasn't taken random blood testing. And for you that causes a great deal of distrust.
2. Drug Testing is out of date
3. NSAC is short on funds to make this better.

My response:
1. Year round olympic style is the closest full proof method. No one in professional boxing has done true olympic year round testing (which i'm for) including PBF. He has had some random blood testing and i'm sure there are other fighters that have had unscheduled blood tests and passed. However with no professional boxer is subject to year round olympic style testing this should not instill instant guilt or lack of trust. It means nothing until the system changes. They are fighters competiting in the current system. No reason to be upset about that, right?
2. Yes, not our problem - We are not competiting
3. Yes, what can anyone do about it?

#

You've been able to do in one post what neutral corner hasn't been able to do for 17 pages, and that is address the points. For that I commend you.

1. I stated in a previous post that floyd and shane were clean for their fight. fights before or after that don't included random testing have a question mark. That is my point of view.

2. No we're not but we are the consumer buying PPVs, gambling etc. We should demand/expect fair and even contests. Just cuz I'm not competing doesn't mean I shouldn't care about fairness etc. It's very easy to be apathetic towards the issue, i choose not to be

3. The boxers can do alot about it. Especially the high profile ones that conduct the big money. If they all start demanding random testing etc you'd see it implemented very quickley. As fans it's obviously alot harder to make your voice heard.

I've been on here a long time, i just don't post very often because i don't want to get drawn into a multiquote battle.

None the less.

1. A fair point of view, but a "?" does not = distrust or guilt. It falls under the current standard practice and should be acceptable until changed.
example: I test brake parts as a part of day job, if a customer sends me a part and says it is defective and i test it under all manufacturer specifications and tell them that there is nothing wrong with it. It would be inappropriate for them to attack me with distrust or with aggressive accusations because i am currently following the guidlines set in place.
2. You can fight the good fight; however, "Don't hate the playa, hate the game"

3. Why would the fighters ask for more drug testing whether they are clean or not. I just dont think they care nearly has much as you.

[Hornfinger]

I've been on here a long time, i just don't post very often because i don't want to get drawn into a multiquote battle.

None the less.

1. A fair point of view, but a "?" does not = distrust or guilt. It falls under the current standard practice and should be acceptable until changed.
example: I test brake parts as a part of day job, if a customer sends me a part and says it is defective and i test it under all manufacturer specifications and tell them that there is nothing wrong with it. It would be inappropriate for them to attack me with distrust or with aggressive accusations because i am currently following the guidlines set in place.
2. You can fight the good fight; however, "Don't hate the playa, hate the game"

3. Why would the fighters ask for more drug testing whether they are clean or not. I just dont think they care nearly has much as you.

Yes I try to ease off the multi quotes, however some, particularly on this thread, live by them.

Nope you are right a ? doesn't = guilt neccassarily BUT in my view it sn't acceptable. But that's just my view.

Do your break tests cover all new break designs? Have any of your customers crashed after your tests? I would guess the answers would be yes and no. Urine testing will not detect modern steroids and PEDS. If your tests did test modern breaks sufficiantly I'm guessing your practices would be changed rght away.

I don't hate the player. I've said i think ALL ATHLETES in ALL sports who haven't been tested have a ? over them. I don't hate the game either. I love the sport BUT I don't like the commisions, promotors and politics of it.

I think fighters don't kick up a fuss for a number of reasons. All reasons lead back to two things. Money and Steroid Cheat. Money being the main one.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Why wouldn’t Pacfans cheer for Olympic Style random blood tests? I mean, it would give everybody a slap on the face if he came out clean “Booyah! Pac is clean! Now what?! Plus he beat your fighter!” Not only that but it would make it fair for Pac as well and his fans knowing that his opponents would fight clean. It's not like a boxer is asked to fight with a hand tied behind his back, BOTH guys are going through it so its fair for both. Everybody wins with Olympic Style random blood tests.

I am for the strictest style random blood test. But until that becomes the required test I will have to be content with the one that is in place and would not continually be bitching about it.

The criticism towards Pacquiao's refusal to Floyd's drug test demand in the first negotiation is reasonable given that he had the burden of proof. Now that he agreed to such demand in the second negotiation, he still gets the blame from hornfinger. That is where the disagreement is.

Like what I said in my previous post, the burden of proof here is whether Manny is a drug cheat or Floyd is a coward. The burden of proof is now with Mayweather.

[fan johnny]

Yes I try to ease off the multi quotes, however some, particularly on this thread, live by them.

Nope you are right a ? doesn't = guilt neccassarily BUT in my view it sn't acceptable. But that's just my view.

Do your break tests cover all new break designs? Have any of your customers crashed after your tests? I would guess the answers would be yes and no. Urine testing will not detect modern steroids and PEDS. If your tests did test modern breaks sufficiantly I'm guessing your practices would be changed rght away.

I don't hate the player. I've said i think ALL ATHLETES in ALL sports who haven't been tested have a ? over them. I don't hate the game either. I love the sport BUT I don't like the commisions, promotors and politics of it.

I think fighters don't kick up a fuss for a number of reasons. All reasons lead back to two things. Money and Steroid Cheat. Money being the main one.

Or how about they just don't give a fuk!

[:::PSL:::]

Hornfinger

You're still upset cuz I destroyed you a couple of pages ago I understand that.

Destroyed you a couple of pages he said.

Where are those pages? Does those pages have evidence that Pac used steroids?

Go fetch lil' doggie. Arf! arf!

Here you go pactard, seeing as you were were too stupid to read it 1st time. what is with having to reapeat posts over and over for pactards?

Joeygotfingered,

I'm still waiting for that "Pac on PEDs" proof.

Where the fuck is it?

Yes lets only blood test athletes when we already have proof of them juicing. My God that is FUCKING genius that is. That is the cleverest idea ever! You know that's such an intelligent thing to say I'm sure the people over at MENSA will be beating down your door to get you on board. I mean shit. Let's bring that in at the olympics, the only athletes that will be tested will be the ones that we already have proof of using steroids. It's a good job Einstein is dead cuz he'd be shitting himself right now with boffins like you around. The brains at NASA pale in comparison to your superior logic.......


Sarcasm aside....

As I said in another thread. This argument is the silliest most retarded thing that you can grasp at. It dumb, stupid, idiotic, moronic.... I could go on all day...

Testing solves everything. It gives proof either way. Pacfans should be wanting their hero to take the tests so you can rub it in our faces that he's clean as a whistle. You don't want him taking the tests cuz you have your doubts. I find that funny.

Mak sure you call me daddy from now on, ok little girl.

Lmfao! How about you, calling me a Master? You're a good lil' doggie.

I ask you ONE question and you come up with all kinds of bullshit. You're just trying to spin things around and come up with weak conclusion.

And you think you are walking all over me with that garbage? You're a fucking joke.

As long as you don't have evidence, you don't have jack shit. Anyone can accuse anyone with something. That's easy. But you need get your head out of your ass and ask yourself "do I have a case". In your situation, YOU HAVE NONE, NADA, ZIP, ZILCH.

Do you comprende cabrona?

[InTheNeutralCorner]

My old posts pre mayweather may or may not be still buried on this forum they are 4+ years old. Sift through the old post from 4 years ago or ask saddo to help you out. I personally can't because, i'm scared of needles, can't do it because it weakens me, the rules don't tell me i have to do it, will do it but only with 14 days notice.....

But if you need proof of that then why don't you need proof pac is clean?


At least this shows two things. 1, how hippocritical you are and 2, maybe you have learnt something from this and I have in fact educated you and you now don't just take someones word for something. So maybe you'll stop believing athletes that say 'i'm clean' and actually ask or demand some real evidence of it.

Don't ask me to justify something i.e my anti drug history and where my views stem from and then come with the 'spare me the history.....' crap, just because it blows your theory that i only have my opinions because of floyd mayweather. It discredits you (where have i heard that before?) and makes you look like a sore whining baby.

Maybe other posters on here do have a better history in drug free sports. If they choose not to argue their point of view with some pactard prat on a forum thats their business. You're very good at going off on irrelevant tangents aren't you.

You're also good at taking things out of context. I'm not sure if it's deliberate in an attempt to steer the conversation away from the points you can't answer or put a dent in or if it's just cuz you're an idiot.To repeat (common with you ain't it spacker boy) myself. Floyd's request for drug testing before his matches has nothing to do with my views/stance.


I critisised Roy because he failed a test and that there was a question mark over him. Again it's a case of awww diddums the pactard thinks pacquiao is being unfairly critisised. You really sound like a whining baby.

The only reason you're contented with the way testing is at the moment is because it suits you're fighter. If it was pacquiao asking for stricter testing you'd be siding with that. More typical pactard behavior. If you're contented with the way things are I suggest you do some more research.

And as usual your post ends with you saying I'm discredited but with no evidence of it (pactards are just like pacquiao hahahahaha) and you've still not adressed my three key points.

What a surprise

You talk alot but you say nothing.

I have addressed every statement that you made in post #259 and your response is some rambling and middle finger which some poster here already stuck up your own ass!

You come up with this excuse about your old post being buried when I asked you for proof that you had already been passionate about this random drug test even before the Mayweather accusation. If there is one out there you will be more than happy to dig it out to shut me up. As made famous by a notorious idiot who wants to be shown evidence that boxers are clean to believe that they are clean: "WHERE IS THE PROOF?"