After Wlad ko's Haye in the 12th, where will he stand on the All Time Greats list?

[Dave Hughey]

Wlad is one of the most boring Heavyweights of all time. His record sucks and he has been battered by 3 nobodies!

Unfortunately, this thread is not about who bores you. It is about who comes out on top in toe to toe fights among the great heavyweights.

When has Wlad ever gone toe to toe? I must have missed that fight or was it when he got KTFO? by nobodys!

Gee, I thought everyone knew what "going toe to toe" meant. To me it means something like "having a fight face to face or head to head" both fighters in the same ring at the same time under the same ref and same rules. Seems like all of Wlad's fights have been that way, whether he won or lost, or bored the pants off the audience.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Unfortunately, this thread is not about who bores you. It is about who comes out on top in toe to toe fights among the great heavyweights.

When has Wlad ever gone toe to toe? I must have missed that fight or was it when he got KTFO? by nobodys!

Gee, I thought everyone knew what "going toe to toe" meant. To me it means something like "having a fight face to face or head to head" both fighters in the same ring at the same time under the same ref and same rules. Seems like all of Wlad's fights have been that way, whether he won or lost, or bored the pants off the audience.

Actually what toe to toe means is like Gatti/Ward or Margarito/Williams... It's fighting in a phone booth where neither man is backing up or using movement. But I knew what you meant.

[ICB]

I agree with BIG H Vitali Klitschko's resume is pretty poor, and he's more known for his losses than he's actual wins.

As for Wladimir Klitschko i really don't get the hype he gets, everyone keeps telling me he's improved so much. I don't see it all i see is that he's so defensive and scared of getting hit on his chin.

Which gives us the fans pretty poor so called Heavyweight championship fights. I mean is fighting scared or so defensive really an improvement ? the only reason he's allowed to get away with it, is because none of the heavyweights now have ever heard of a thing called "Slipping the jab".

And everyone keeps telling me how good Wladimir Klitschko's opposition, has been lately i don't see it.

Sultan Ibragimov = A draw against Ray Austin, won his title off a fighter with asthma who can't even fight for more than 10 seconds, he also faded against a 46 year old Evander Holyfield for christ sakes, and people make out this is some kind of dangerous opponent ? give me a break, any of the old ATG would of destroyed him.

Eddie Chambers = This wasn't a bad win for Wladimir Klitschko, Eddie Chambers isn't that bad, but again he's 2nd best to Alexander Povetkin who deserved his shot, considering he handily beat Eddie Chambers.

Chris Byrd = Already beat him the 1st time.

Lamon Brewster = Shot.

Tony Thompson = No wins worth mentioning really, except Luan Krasniqi who gave Lamon Brewster a tough fight but still lost.

Hasim Rahman = Mediorce and shot.

Calvin Brock = Decent win.

Ruslan Chagev = Beat the worst Heavyweight champion of all time, and wins over Skelton and Ruiz, not much else other than that really. Still a decent win for Wladimir Klitschko though.

Samuel Peter = I think he's seriously overrated, and his power is overrated aswell. He got a gift off a shot blown up Super Middleweight James Toney, i think Samuel Peter sucks in all honesty.

I agree with people saying that Wladimir Klitschko, is trying to fight the best available opponents. But that still doesn't mean there good opponents, its not Wladimir Klitschko's fault its a weak division.

But then again he could actually take some risks when fighting, and give the fans some excitement. Which is what boxing is all about entertainment.

Which is why i root for his brother more, but again his resume is pretty poor. And he gets way too overrated amongst fans.

[Kirkland Laing]

Sorry but you can't put somebody who got knocked out in a round by a pro-celebrity golfer on the all-time great heavyweights list.

[ninjaspy3]

The Klitschko brothers are good and I recognize they have skill, but I must admit, it has always pained me to see them beat up on smaller fighters then them (which is like 98% of their opponents).

I have always wanted to see them fight someone who would be about the same size and see how they fair. (Lewis was one of those rare occasions)
That's why, even though it wouldnt have been that great, I would have liked to see Valuev in there with a Klitschko...
Ah well.

[El Kabong]

The Klitschko brothers are good and I recognize they have skill, but I must admit, it has always pained me to see them beat up on smaller fighters then them (which is like 98% of their opponents).

I have always wanted to see them fight someone who would be about the same size and see how they fair. (Lewis was one of those rare occasions)
That's why, even though it wouldnt have been that great, I would have liked to see Valuev in there with a Klitschko...
Ah well.

Wlad has beaten at LEAST 2 guys bigger than himself, that's probably about the same as Lennox Lewis.

And I can't say this enough WLADIMIR is better than Vitali

[Lefty]

Like Wladimir will even step into a ring with David Haye.

[amat]

lol lefty are you serious? HE SIGNED TO FIGHT HIM!!!!!!!!!!!

Regardless of why Haye backed out, he backed out. Wlad is definitely not scared of him, he mocked Haye to his face when he barely even knew who the guy was. It's the other way around. When someone talks as reckless as Haye, it's usually them who gets second thoughts about steppiing into the ring.

[Lefty]

lol lefty are you serious? HE SIGNED TO FIGHT HIM!!!!!!!!!!!

Regardless of why Haye backed out, he backed out. Wlad is definitely not scared of him, he mocked Haye to his face when he barely even knew who the guy was. It's the other way around. When someone talks as reckless as Haye, it's usually them who gets second thoughts about steppiing into the ring.

Signatures dont mean shiit. Until I see Haye in one corner and Mr Bitchsko in the other, only then will I be satisfied he'll fight him.

[DaxxKahn]

lol lefty are you serious? HE SIGNED TO FIGHT HIM!!!!!!!!!!!

Regardless of why Haye backed out, he backed out. Wlad is definitely not scared of him, he mocked Haye to his face when he barely even knew who the guy was. It's the other way around. When someone talks as reckless as Haye, it's usually them who gets second thoughts about steppiing into the ring.

I had a name or sig bet w lefty for 1 yr on that fight...After Haye bitched out the name Leftylee seemed top fade away with Hayes bravado...

Coincidence or Phenomenon

[Boxer4life]

unfortunatley for them, their competition sucks, i would love to see them against a prime mike or prime lewis

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

unfortunatley for them, their competition sucks, i would love to see them against a prime mike or prime lewis

But what people tend to forget is time erases that... The same can be said for Joe Louis's "bum of the month club" and Rocky Marciano's competition... Yet there they are, all time greats... and rightfully so. You can't blame a fighter for competition levels.

Now if Tye Fields became heavyweight champion... Then I'd worry.

[match]

What's the difference between Wlad and Zab Judah?







.....Judah hasn't been knocked down nearly as many times. To answer the original question, Wlad will stand on the outside looking in

[Dave Hughey]

The Klitschko brothers are good and I recognize they have skill, but I must admit, it has always pained me to see them beat up on smaller fighters then them (which is like 98% of their opponents).

I have always wanted to see them fight someone who would be about the same size and see how they fair. (Lewis was one of those rare occasions)
That's why, even though it wouldnt have been that great, I would have liked to see Valuev in there with a Klitschko...
Ah well.

Wlad has beaten at LEAST 2 guys bigger than himself, that's probably about the same as Lennox Lewis.

And I can't say this enough WLADIMIR is better than Vitali

I wish we could see Klitschko vs. Klitschko in their primes, too.

But I'd like to add, and I can't say this enough, either, LOL. I intended this thread to be about where the Klits would rank in the list of ATG's based on their ability to win against the other ATG's in their primes in a fair boxing contest. Not based on their size, not based on whether they bore you or not, not based on how good you think their competition is or was, not based on their hair colour.

Just based on who would beat whom in a fair boxing contest.

[ICB]

The Klitschko brothers are good and I recognize they have skill, but I must admit, it has always pained me to see them beat up on smaller fighters then them (which is like 98% of their opponents).

I have always wanted to see them fight someone who would be about the same size and see how they fair. (Lewis was one of those rare occasions)
That's why, even though it wouldnt have been that great, I would have liked to see Valuev in there with a Klitschko...
Ah well.

Wlad has beaten at LEAST 2 guys bigger than himself, that's probably about the same as Lennox Lewis.

And I can't say this enough WLADIMIR is better than Vitali

I wish we could see Klitschko vs. Klitschko in their primes, too.

But I'd like to add, and I can't say this enough, either, LOL. I intended this thread to be about where the Klits would rank in the list of ATG's based on their ability to win against the other ATG's in their primes in a fair boxing contest. Not based on their size, not based on whether they bore you or not, not based on how good you think their competition is or was, not based on their hair colour.

Just based on who would beat whom in a far boxing contest.

I already answered this in your other thread, but here's another list.

Lennox Lewis
Muhammad Ali
Larry Holmes
Ike Ibeabuchi
Prime Tim Witherspoon
Prime Riddick Bowe
Mike Tyson
Prime Buster Douglas the one vs Mike Tyson
George Foreman
Evander Holyfield

Thats a quick list, but theres possibly a few more forgotten Heavyweights. Like Tony Tucker that would stand a good chance.