Where does Ali rank P4P?

[Bill Paxtom]

It is because of his resume. There isn't another heavyweight with one even close to his. It's a who's who of heavyweight royalty.

ali has only fought the whos who because ali went on about them so much

why would all of the best known hws in history all come from alis era, because they were all the best or because of ali and alis mouth?

They were great heavyweights and would have dominated in any era if Ali was not around they would have been considered greater than they are.

Foreman and Frazier are in most people top 10 heavyweight champs. Sonny would have dominated if Ali was not around.

Sonny Liston

The old man was done. He was {Age; 36 1/2} in March 1964.

Bad Left Shoulder
No Right Hand
Straddle Legged
Slow Afoot
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J & B Scotch Saturated

[mikeeod]

It is because of his resume. There isn't another heavyweight with one even close to his. It's a who's who of heavyweight royalty.

ali has only fought the whos who because ali went on about them so much

why would all of the best known hws in history all come from alis era, because they were all the best or because of ali and alis mouth?

They were great heavyweights and would have dominated in any era if Ali was not around they would have been considered greater than they are.

Foreman and Frazier are in most people top 10 heavyweight champs. Sonny would have dominated if Ali was not around.

Sonny Liston

The old man was done. He was {Age; 36 1/2} in March 1964.

Bad Left Shoulder
No Right Hand
Straddle Legged
Slow Afoot
Slow Thinking
J & B Scotch Saturated

Liston had just obliterated the previous champ (Patterson) twice, and was a significant favorite to win the first match up. Sonny was past his best, but was not shot or as pathetic as you are making him out to be.

[jon09]

It is because of his resume. There isn't another heavyweight with one even close to his. It's a who's who of heavyweight royalty.

Really? Holyfield fought everyone in his era and then some.

[mikeeod]

It is because of his resume. There isn't another heavyweight with one even close to his. It's a who's who of heavyweight royalty.

Really? Holyfield fought everyone in his era and then some.

Evander has great quality of opposition, second only to Ali. Difference for me is that Evander wasn't as consistent in winning as long or often as Ali was vs top notch opposition.

[jon09]

It is because of his resume. There isn't another heavyweight with one even close to his. It's a who's who of heavyweight royalty.

Really? Holyfield fought everyone in his era and then some.

Evander has great quality of opposition, second only to Ali. Difference for me is that Evander wasn't as consistent in winning as long or often as Ali was vs top notch opposition.

Besides Frazier (Who was steamrolled by Big George Foreman and his 2 wins vs Liston the rest of the list can be questioned for quality. A lot of his opponents were past their primes or c level competition that were elevated when they fought Ali.

[Master]

It is because of his resume. There isn't another heavyweight with one even close to his. It's a who's who of heavyweight royalty.

Really? Holyfield fought everyone in his era and then some.

Evander has great quality of opposition, second only to Ali. Difference for me is that Evander wasn't as consistent in winning as long or often as Ali was vs top notch opposition.

Besides Frazier (Who was steamrolled by Big George Foreman and his 2 wins vs Liston the rest of the list can be questioned for quality. A lot of his opponents were past their primes or c level competition that were elevated when they fought Ali.

Big George Foreman should not be forgotten. If Ali was not around Foreman would have been a dominant champion for a long time.

[Andre]

I've seen people rank Ali in the top 5 P4P, and I have to ask why. Is it because of his resume? Because, he got away with a lot of fundamental mistakes due to his speed, especially for a HW.

Some general thoughts and general questions here, thinking aloud:

I think cause he was anti authoritarian,black,could take a hit. Actually 100 hits and by choice better than anyone else in that one. (People claim people with a good beard as a prerequisite too). He was exciting to watch, due us to not knowing what approach he would take. Could move well for the weight.

' Because of fundamental mistakes used and got away with due to speed'?
Interesting;
Because there are the complete reverse in champions out there (different weight classes though) and many hate them,theres one Welsh one German and one American all undefeated. They are fighters who stick to fundamentals of boxing and a couple master just set moves to enhance their natural ability whether its speed or control and have become undefeated champions using minimalist moves and bore us all. Strange cause thats used against them by some to keep them out of the pound for pound rating too, but its the opposite to why some would choose to keep Ali out.

He pushed the limits so was exciting. Rude bastard of a smart ass business man too, so people hated him wanted him beat, paid to see it and others took to him as the underdog and paid to see him win. Which if he was a such a bad boxer as some of you make out then how did he do it against some of the best? Or was that the worse era of heavyweight boxing in your minds?

[brocktonblockbust]

Armstrong Langford carpenter Gans Willie pepp Jack Johnson even guys like Sugar Ray Leonard and Roberto Duran they are way ahead on the pound for pound list compared to Muhammad Ali

[Yuzo]

I've seen people rank Ali in the top 5 P4P, and I have to ask why. Is it because of his resume? Because, he got away with a lot of fundamental mistakes due to his speed, especially for a HW.

what mistakes are these? was it carrying his hands down by his waist, like gene tunney? or was it pulling straight back, like floyd mayweather? what mistakes are you talking about?