Prime Calzaghe vs Prime Jones Jr. who wins?

[southakron314]

ICB said that Joe has come close to losing because he got dropped, well if thats the case then Jones must also have come close because he got dropped and as someone pointed out im getting Jones opponents mixed up (its easy because they are forgetable) I think it was Del Valle.

So that answers your question as to why Jones getting dropped is close to losing

I dont believe that being dropped is close to losing but if it can be used against Calzaghe then it should be used against Jones

See how silly that was

Kessler was as good as Hopkins and Toney, before Calzaghe again proved how stellar he is Kessler was regarded as superman by alot of people here, he had unified 2 belts and been a champ for 4 years.

Toney could only manage to get 1 belt, he couldnt manage to unify anything He also had a hard time against the Blade, the same Blade that Nigel Benn wiped out 3 years earlier

Kessler? are you kidding. He could not even hold Toney's and Hopkin's jock.

[Tysonbruno]

Calzaghe nearly lost to Robin Reid and a 43 year old Hopkins so a prime Roy Jones would make Calzaghe look stupid he would punish him with his right hand down the middle he would drop him a few times then stop him in 7 rounds.look at it this way Calzaghe has made 21 or 22 defences of his super middle title Jones made 6 defences i think of his super middle title and he is recognised by most as the best super middle ever.

[BIG H]

With Jones lack of workrate there is noway he would beat a prime Calzaghe easily.

Yeh I agree with that. As I said earlier in the thread, I definitely would see RJJ winning, but it wouldn't be easy. JCC is a helluva lot beter than Di Valle or Griffin

Jones never struggled with Del Valle he won every round against Del Valle except the round he was knocked down in, and he slipped on a wetspot. Because later in the fight Del Valle also slipped on the same wet spot Jones did when he went down. And Griffin was awkward so he gave Jones some problems, but he still wiped out Griffin in the rematch so that pretty much erases the first fight.

The DiValle comment was in relation to the fact that RJJ could be knocked down, not the fact that he won the fight clearly. The 2nd Griffin doesn't really erase the first fight - it happened, so therefore cannot be erased.

I'm not arguing for JC here, I think RJJ would win the fight and probabaly comfortably, but not EASILY!

[ICB]

Yeh I agree with that. As I said earlier in the thread, I definitely would see RJJ winning, but it wouldn't be easy. JCC is a helluva lot beter than Di Valle or Griffin

Jones never struggled with Del Valle he won every round against Del Valle except the round he was knocked down in, and he slipped on a wetspot. Because later in the fight Del Valle also slipped on the same wet spot Jones did when he went down. And Griffin was awkward so he gave Jones some problems, but he still wiped out Griffin in the rematch so that pretty much erases the first fight.

The DiValle comment was in relation to the fact that RJJ could be knocked down, not the fact that he won the fight clearly. The 2nd Griffin doesn't really erase the first fight - it happened, so therefore cannot be erased.

I'm not arguing for JC here, I think RJJ would win the fight and probabaly comfortably, but not EASILY!

Well lets remember BIG H Del Valle was RJJ's sparring partner for many years so he probably picked up on some weaknesses sparring many rounds with RJJ. I know when i sparr with the same person a few times i start picking up on pattens the way feint, the way they plant there feet, knowing what to expect next, knowing there defense flaws, knowing the punches they telegraph with allowing me capitalize with a counter shot etc. I don't really think Griffin was troubling RJJ to the extent of RJJ on the verge of losing yes RJJ was losing but thats because Griffin was short and could get under the punches, and was awkward as hell. Remember RJJ did figure out Griffin by the 7th round when he knocked him down and he come on strong in the later rounds, i think the 2nd fight erases the 1st fight simply because once RJJ found the pattern on how to beat Griffin, he showed Griffin was no match for him.

[Markusdarkus]

Calzaghe nearly lost to Robin Reid and a 43 year old Hopkins so a prime Roy Jones would make Calzaghe look stupid he would punish him with his right hand down the middle he would drop him a few times then stop him in 7 rounds.look at it this way Calzaghe has made 21 or 22 defences of his super middle title Jones made 6 defences i think of his super middle title and he is recognised by most as the best super middle ever.

So what?

Mayweather nearly lost to Castillo did that mean Hatton beats Floyd NO.

3,000+ posts you know you cannot take opposition in kind as a way of pre determaning the out come of a fight. If that was the case George Foreman would have smashed Muhammad Ali in 2rds.

[Tysonbruno]

Calzaghe nearly lost to Robin Reid and a 43 year old Hopkins so a prime Roy Jones would make Calzaghe look stupid he would punish him with his right hand down the middle he would drop him a few times then stop him in 7 rounds.look at it this way Calzaghe has made 21 or 22 defences of his super middle title Jones made 6 defences i think of his super middle title and he is recognised by most as the best super middle ever.

So what?

Mayweather nearly lost to Castillo did that mean Hatton beats Floyd NO.

3,000+ posts you know you cannot take opposition in kind as a way of pre determaning the out come of a fight. If that was the case George Foreman would have smashed Muhammad Ali in 2rds.

My main point is if he can nearly lose to a Robin Reid or a 43 year old Hopkins who are nowhere near the fighter a prime jones was how could Calzaghe win he couldn't and he would get beat easy.Are you really Calzaghe?

[ross]

ICB said that Joe has come close to losing because he got dropped, well if thats the case then Jones must also have come close because he got dropped and as someone pointed out im getting Jones opponents mixed up (its easy because they are forgetable) I think it was Del Valle.

So that answers your question as to why Jones getting dropped is close to losing

I dont believe that being dropped is close to losing but if it can be used against Calzaghe then it should be used against Jones

See how silly that was

Kessler was as good as Hopkins and Toney, before Calzaghe again proved how stellar he is Kessler was regarded as superman by alot of people here, he had unified 2 belts and been a champ for 4 years.

Toney could only manage to get 1 belt, he couldnt manage to unify anything He also had a hard time against the Blade, the same Blade that Nigel Benn wiped out 3 years earlier

No your the silly one certain knockdowns are different in boxing and you would know that if you actually watched Calzaghe vs Salem or if you actually done boxing yourself, Jones vs Del Valle was a flash knockdown and the punch wasn't that hard, where as Calzaghe was knocked down heavily by a hard right hand by Salem. And he was lucky it was just below the chin otherwise he could have been in even more trouble. Now i know your a hater Toney struggled with Barkley are you kidding me ?? you haven't seen that fight have you ?? you just made yourself look ridiculous with that comment. Try watching the fight Toney beat the living hell out of Barkley winning every round, and it was one of the finest boxing master classes in recent boxing history. Kessler was considered superman ?? please his best win was over Anthony Mundine.

Heres the first part watch the whole fight and tell me Toney struggled with Barkley


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd1fx46gW2c

Compared to what Benn did to a younger fresher Barkley Toney did struggle, I have boxed, 18 amature fights wan 12, ive seen all Calzaghes fights since Mark Delaney, I have even seen the Mario Veit rematch that wasnt televised in the uk.

Toney only had 1 belt, Kessler had the top two belts and had fought as a champ for 4 years in that division

Jones was a good fighter but Calzaghe would have made him fight like no one has, he hasnt faced anyone with Joes workrate, even though Jones is older you will still see the same tactics he would have employed if they do fight, he will lean back on the ropes with a high guard till he gets stopped, same as Johnson did.

[Markusdarkus]

Calzaghe nearly lost to Robin Reid and a 43 year old Hopkins so a prime Roy Jones would make Calzaghe look stupid he would punish him with his right hand down the middle he would drop him a few times then stop him in 7 rounds.look at it this way Calzaghe has made 21 or 22 defences of his super middle title Jones made 6 defences i think of his super middle title and he is recognised by most as the best super middle ever.

So what?

Mayweather nearly lost to Castillo did that mean Hatton beats Floyd NO.

3,000+ posts you know you cannot take opposition in kind as a way of pre determaning the out come of a fight. If that was the case George Foreman would have smashed Muhammad Ali in 2rds.

My main point is if he can nearly lose to a Robin Reid or a 43 year old Hopkins who are nowhere near the fighter a prime jones was how could Calzaghe win he couldn't and he would get beat easy.Are you really Calzaghe?

The old figher A struggled with fighter B who fighter C beat easier so fighter C beats A and if you disagree throw in a favoratism comment as an ignorant way of trying to convice someone that throughout boxing that has always been the case. When infact opponents in comon and there results have no bearing on the outcome of any given fight.

Like i said as one example Ali would have had no chance against Foreman as Ali struggled and lost to both Frazier and Norton while Foreman desroyed both.

Styles its all about styles.

And from Toney until the first Tarver fight Jones really didnt fight anyone of any real quality.

Like i said if i was a betting man i would have bet on Jones but for people to say this is a mismatch or would be a one-sided beatdown know little about the game.

[ross]

certain knockdowns are different in boxing

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I don't really think Griffin was troubling RJJ to the extent of RJJ on the verge of losing yes RJJ was losing .

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[ICB]

certain knockdowns are different in boxing

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I don't really think Griffin was troubling RJJ to the extent of RJJ on the verge of losing yes RJJ was losing .

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Ross i don't know what your problem is but your acting very immature and stupid for someone that has supposedly boxed, i said RJJ was losing at that point in the fight, but he never looked in any trouble Griffin was just doing that little bit more. Until the 7th round when Jones knocked Griffin down then Jones started to have an easier time with Griffin, and as for you quoting my comment about certain knockdowns are different in boxing of course they are that is obvious isn't it ?? some knockdowns you can be off balance, some knockdowns can be down to you being caught cold etc theres many different variations. And as for your comment regarding Barkley, if you have watched the fight you should know Benn was badly shaken in that fight by a left hook from Barkley, and he hit Barkley while he was on the canvas 3 times and he should of been DQ, Toney never looked in trouble and gave Barkley a boxing master class. And for you to say Toney struggled against Barkley is damn right absurd and ridiculous. And you have seen majority of Calzaghe's fights so what ?? so have i i've got his career set. But outside of that your knowledge is very limited, you said Jones was floored by Telesco when that was BS and lies, and you said Toney struggled with Barkley which is BS and lies.

One last question which are Kessler's best wins ?? Craig Cumming, Librado Andrade, Anthony Mundine, Manny Siaca etc ??

Toney's best wins before the Jones fight were Merqui Sosa, Iran Barkley, Mike McCallum, Michael Nunn, Reggie Johnson, Tim Littles, Charles Williams, Doug De Witt, and titles at two weight classes and he was top 3 P4P fighter at the time, to say even consider that Kessler was rated higher than Toney was at the time when Jones fought him, or too even say he was a better fighter, is ludicrous and shows you know nothing about boxing and your just a plain and simple hater.

[JT Rock]

geezuc Chrise.. Calzaghe struggles with the straight right, Jones snap and hanspeed would be something to behold... Jones was backing up and busting up a 240 John Ruiz, you think he isint gonna hurt Calzaghe?

Jones punches have alot of snap and accuracey were as Joe can throw fast but they are typically arm punches and slaps designed to score points.. Jones would toy with him like he did with all the others

[leftylee]

certain knockdowns are different in boxing

Oh right

I don't really think Griffin was troubling RJJ to the extent of RJJ on the verge of losing yes RJJ was losing .

Oh right

I just hit your ass with neg rep BTW

[ross]

Im a hater Grow up with the cheesy cliches

Calzaghe struggles with straight rights? by struggling do you mean beating everyone hes faced and being the top dog in two divisions?

Oh no, ive been negative repped?

[leftylee]

Im a hater Grow up with the cheesy cliches

Either that or your up Calzaghe's ass. Anyone saying Calzaghe would beat prime RJJ is deluded and deserves neg rep.

[JT Rock]

certain knockdowns are different in boxing

Oh right

I don't really think Griffin was troubling RJJ to the extent of RJJ on the verge of losing yes RJJ was losing .

Oh right

Ross i don't know what your problem is but your acting very immature and stupid for someone that has supposedly boxed, i said RJJ was losing at that point in the fight, but he never looked in any trouble Griffin was just doing that little bit more. Until the 7th round when Jones knocked Griffin down then Jones started to have an easier time with Griffin, and as for you quoting my comment about certain knockdowns are different in boxing of course they are that is obvious isn't it ?? some knockdowns you can be off balance, some knockdowns can be down to you being caught cold etc theres many different variations. And as for your comment regarding Barkley, if you have watched the fight you should know Benn was badly shaken in that fight by a left hook from Barkley, and he hit Barkley while he was on the canvas 3 times and he should of been DQ, Toney never looked in trouble and gave Barkley a boxing master class. And for you to say Toney struggled against Barkley is damn right absurd and ridiculous. And you have seen majority of Calzaghe's fights so what ?? so have i i've got his career set. But outside of that your knowledge is very limited, you said Jones was floored by Telesco when that was BS and lies, and you said Toney struggled with Barkley which is BS and lies.

One last question which are Kessler's best wins ?? Craig Cumming, Librado Andrade, Anthony Mundine, Manny Siaca etc ??

Toney's best wins before the Jones fight were Merqui Sosa, Iran Barkley, Mike McCallum, Michael Nunn, Reggie Johnson, Tim Littles, Charles Williams, Doug De Witt, and titles at two weight classes and he was top 3 P4P fighter at the time, to say even consider that Kessler was rated higher than Toney was at the time when Jones fought him, or too even say he was a better fighter, is ludicrous and shows you know nothing about boxing and your just a plain and simple hater.

I believe that wraps up this segment of: you just got Cock Whipped by ICB