Clottey v. Pacquiao

[mad_takamura]

Clottey would be a very tough fight for Pacquiao.

I would actually pick Clottey to win. Clottey has a tight guard, can take a good punch when he has to and his offensive game is underated. Clottey has a solid jab, sneaky right hand and is good at putting punches together plus he is way natural bigger than Pacquiao.

Clottey's workrate could be his downfall because Pacquiao is an offensive manchine who can punch constantly for 12 rounds.

How many times do we have to heed the lessons of the past to look at the bright light?

Clottey is just the same as cotto. diaz. hatton. de la hoya. a guy who goes straight to his foes. That's what pac wants. and he's going to get brutalized by pac while pac is giving him different angles. A tight guard doe'snt mean a thing when your opponent is faster than you and has great footwork. Those 2 attributes pac has. and just like what you said clottey's work rate is his down fall and believe me it will. Pac would'nt give clottey a moment to breathe during his fast assault. And speed kills. most especially if:
1. the other guy is bigger therefore slower
2. the other guy doe'snt counter well in the league of jmm.pbf. and casa.
3. the other guy is not a slick. elusive fighter like pernell or pbf.

And that's the bottomline...

[TitoFan]

I thought DLH would be too big for Pac.
I thought Hatton would be too big for Pac.
I thought Cotto would be too big for Pac.

So.......

I think Clottey would be too big for Pac.

(Just kidding)

[salty trunks]

Clottey would be a very tough fight for Pacquiao.

I would actually pick Clottey to win. Clottey has a tight guard, can take a good punch when he has to and his offensive game is underated. Clottey has a solid jab, sneaky right hand and is good at putting punches together plus he is way natural bigger than Pacquiao.

Clottey's workrate could be his downfall because Pacquiao is an offensive manchine who can punch constantly for 12 rounds.

How many times do we have to heed the lessons of the past to look at the bright light?

Clottey is just the same as cotto. diaz. hatton. de la hoya. a guy who goes straight to his foes. That's what pac wants. and he's going to get brutalized by pac while pac is giving him different angles. A tight guard doe'snt mean a thing when your opponent is faster than you and has great footwork. Those 2 attributes pac has. and just like what you said clottey's work rate is his down fall and believe me it will. Pac would'nt give clottey a moment to breathe during his fast assault. And speed kills. most especially if:
1. the other guy is bigger therefore slower
2. the other guy doe'snt counter well in the league of jmm.pbf. and casa.
3. the other guy is not a slick. elusive fighter like pernell or pbf.

And that's the bottomline...

Yes but a good stiff jab can offset all that action, as we'll probably see in the Mayweather fight.

[milmascaras1]

i think clottey can definitely beat pacquiao but this fight will never happen because roach would never risk his cashcow pacquiao against a very dangerous fighter. besides, clottey wouldn't bring in the big bucks that pacquiao now demands. i also think clottey would walk through pacquiao's punches unlike cotto who's punch resistance isn't as good as clottey's. i also think clottey's superior jab would give pacquiao all kinds of problems and would have him dazed and confused. morales and marquez showed the way to beat pacquiao and that is by using a very good strong jab to keep pacquiao off balance. i think clottey wins this one in a war by late TKO.

[mad_takamura]

i think clottey can definitely beat pacquiao but this fight will never happen because roach would never risk his cashcow pacquiao against a very dangerous fighter. besides, clottey wouldn't bring in the big bucks that pacquiao now demands. i also think clottey would walk through pacquiao's punches unlike cotto who's punch resistance isn't as good as clottey's. i also think clottey's superior jab would give pacquiao all kinds of problems and would have him dazed and confused. morales and marquez showed the way to beat pacquiao and that is by using a very good strong jab to keep pacquiao off balance. i think clottey wins this one in a war by late TKO.

Morales and marquez showed the way and de la hoya followed. What did pac do against that blueprint jab? Lead lefties then rolling under to the side. Hoya is known for his good jabs and killer left hooks yet because pac is faster than him, and even if hoya pursues pac with a barrage, pac is only going to duck those punches ala calderon and get away. That's what he's going to do to clottey too. Plus the jmm and em fights are years ago, pac definitely improved and stepped up to his game.
I definitely want this fight to happen and we can have an avatar bet to see who wins. But like you said clottey is low reward for pac. But i disagree with you that he is a risk. Believe me, as strong as clottey is, pac is only going to toy with him.

[Taeth]

i think clottey can definitely beat pacquiao but this fight will never happen because roach would never risk his cashcow pacquiao against a very dangerous fighter. besides, clottey wouldn't bring in the big bucks that pacquiao now demands. i also think clottey would walk through pacquiao's punches unlike cotto who's punch resistance isn't as good as clottey's. i also think clottey's superior jab would give pacquiao all kinds of problems and would have him dazed and confused. morales and marquez showed the way to beat pacquiao and that is by using a very good strong jab to keep pacquiao off balance. i think clottey wins this one in a war by late TKO.

Morales and marquez showed the way and de la hoya followed. What did pac do against that blueprint jab? Lead lefties then rolling under to the side. Hoya is known for his good jabs and killer left hooks yet because pac is faster than him, and even if hoya pursues pac with a barrage, pac is only going to duck those punches ala calderon and get away. That's what he's going to do to clottey too. Plus the jmm and em fights are years ago, pac definitely improved and stepped up to his game.
I definitely want this fight to happen and we can have an avatar bet to see who wins. But like you said clottey is low reward for pac. But i disagree with you that he is a risk. Believe me, as strong as clottey is, pac is only going to toy with him.

Comparing PAcquiao's defensive skills to Calderon's is laughable, the biggest problem OScar had with Pacquiao was footspeed, and the fact he never threw a legitimate jab the whole night, it was a distance finder the entire fight. Marquez, Morales, Cotto, and Marquez all landed their jabs on PAcquiao with ease and regularity. The problem is none of them are great and hitting and not being hit which is something Clottey is better at, and Mayweather is the master of, unfortunately Clottey is too much of a sitting target who doesn't throw enough punches.

[miron_lang]

Clottey beats Pacquiao in these forums.

see the light

How many times do we have to heed the lessons of the past to look at the bright light?

-Takamura

[hitmanhatton]

Clottey beats Pacquiao in these forums.

see the light

How many times do we have to heed the lessons of the past to look at the bright light?

-Takamura

lessons of the past? im pretty sure pac hasnt fought clottey so that cant work can it

style make fights...... just because he can beat DLH or Hatton or Cotto doesnt just mean he can automatically beat everyone they were capable of beating or had beat or whatever... just doesnt work like that

[levi#1BoxingFan]

i think clottey can definitely beat pacquiao but this fight will never happen because roach would never risk his cashcow pacquiao against a very dangerous fighter. besides, clottey wouldn't bring in the big bucks that pacquiao now demands. i also think clottey would walk through pacquiao's punches unlike cotto who's punch resistance isn't as good as clottey's. i also think clottey's superior jab would give pacquiao all kinds of problems and would have him dazed and confused. morales and marquez showed the way to beat pacquiao and that is by using a very good strong jab to keep pacquiao off balance. i think clottey wins this one in a war by late TKO.

Riiiiight. if Clottey cant knockout Cotto how is he going to knockout Pacquiao? We all know Pacquiao's chin is way better and his movement is much better? This is just ignorance!

[hitmanhatton]

i think clottey can definitely beat pacquiao but this fight will never happen because roach would never risk his cashcow pacquiao against a very dangerous fighter. besides, clottey wouldn't bring in the big bucks that pacquiao now demands. i also think clottey would walk through pacquiao's punches unlike cotto who's punch resistance isn't as good as clottey's. i also think clottey's superior jab would give pacquiao all kinds of problems and would have him dazed and confused. morales and marquez showed the way to beat pacquiao and that is by using a very good strong jab to keep pacquiao off balance. i think clottey wins this one in a war by late TKO.

Riiiiight. if Clottey cant knockout Cotto how is he going to knockout Pacquiao? We all know Pacquiao's chin is way better and his movement is much better? This is just ignorance!

mosley couldnt ko cotto... but he could against margarito... we know margaritos chin is better.... your logic is very flawed

[Master]

Roach would probably force Clottey to fight at 145lb and pac would beat him in a hollow victory.

[15rounder]

I remember Pac-man being bruised pretty bad in the days after the Cotto fight. But seriously, I hear alot of "the jab gave pac-man problems in the first few rounds". Maybe so, but he makes adjustments. And Clotteys action doesn't increase as the fight wears on, it decreases. That's when Pac-man takes over. The factor that would take over in this fight is punch speed, not necessarily foot speed. Clottey can't block all of those shots for 12 rounds.

[mad_takamura]

Roach would probably force Clottey to fight at 145lb and pac would beat him in a hollow victory.

He might but hopefully he won't so we can see a legit result with no excuses.

[levi#1BoxingFan]

i think clottey can definitely beat pacquiao but this fight will never happen because roach would never risk his cashcow pacquiao against a very dangerous fighter. besides, clottey wouldn't bring in the big bucks that pacquiao now demands. i also think clottey would walk through pacquiao's punches unlike cotto who's punch resistance isn't as good as clottey's. i also think clottey's superior jab would give pacquiao all kinds of problems and would have him dazed and confused. morales and marquez showed the way to beat pacquiao and that is by using a very good strong jab to keep pacquiao off balance. i think clottey wins this one in a war by late TKO.

Riiiiight. if Clottey cant knockout Cotto how is he going to knockout Pacquiao? We all know Pacquiao's chin is way better and his movement is much better? This is just ignorance!

mosley couldnt ko cotto... but he could against margarito... we know margaritos chin is better.... your logic is very flawed

Margarito is a brawler, and Cotto is more of a boxer. This allowed Mosley to tee off on Margarito and Margarito wouldnt cover up. Cotto of course played defense....... sorry bud you logic is obviously the one flawed!

[hitmanhatton]

Riiiiight. if Clottey cant knockout Cotto how is he going to knockout Pacquiao? We all know Pacquiao's chin is way better and his movement is much better? This is just ignorance!

mosley couldnt ko cotto... but he could against margarito... we know margaritos chin is better.... your logic is very flawed

Margarito is a brawler, and Cotto is more of a boxer. This allowed Mosley to tee off on Margarito and Margarito wouldnt cover up. Cotto of course played defense....... sorry bud you logic is obviously the one flawed!

did you even watch the fight ? cotto him with a lot of very big shots that margarito walked through, and in my opinion this lead to him being taken out by mosley in a small way

regardless of the fact pac could take cottos shots they will have done damage... every fight you take shots like that lead you one step towards being ko'd if you continue to do it