Hatton - Pacman, If Hatton wins, will he be the p4p number 1?

Being p4p should be based on consistency not any one fight, we all know styles make fights, but they don't make one fighter consistently dominant, or make one guy consistently win against the top level of opposition no matter who it is.

The short answer is: No, Hatton wouldn't be #1 p4p.

To be sure, a strong argument would exist, however, if after beating Pacman, Hatton beat the winner of the Juan Diaz v. JMM fight. Additionally, take note that two spots in the top ten would free up if Calzaghe and Bhop retired in the next year (which is very probable).

I think, why can't Hatton be close to number 1 P4P as he's been up to 147 and beat some really decent guys there before being beaten by Mayweather who was P4P 1 and now retired... And Hatton owns 140... But that's exactly it, he's only owning 1 weight class at the moment even with his past exploits.

There are other fighters who are making a good go of getting through their division and actively looking outside their division for more challenges.. They were where Hatton was when he travelled up to 147, and there was big arguement for Hatton being P4P #2 then behind Mayweather, and if he actually beat Mayweather, in my mind would have been #1...


His only let down for the top spot is that he's unable to venture out of 140 anymore,,, and that 140 isn't the most stacked division at the moment by any means.. So the accolades just aren't there for him like other fighers.. His run at it was 1 to 2 years ago... Even if he beats Pac now I feel..

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Being p4p should be based on consistency not any one fight, we all know styles make fights, but they don't make one fighter consistently dominant, or make one guy consistently win against the top level of opposition no matter who it is.

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Except Mayweather.. But he's out of the game so Fk him... You're statement stands.. :)

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I think, why can't Hatton be close to number 1 P4P as he's been up to 147 and beat some really decent guys there before being beaten by Mayweather who was P4P 1 and now retired... And Hatton owns 140... But that's exactly it, he's only owning 1 weight class at the moment even with his past exploits.

There are other fighters who are making a good go of getting through their division and actively looking outside their division for more challenges.. They were where Hatton was when he travelled up to 147, and there was big arguement for Hatton being P4P #2 then behind Mayweather, and if he actually beat Mayweather, in my mind would have been #1...


His only let down for the top spot is that he's unable to venture out of 140 anymore,,, and that 140 isn't the most stacked division at the moment by any means.. So the accolades just aren't there for him like other fighers.. His run at it was 1 to 2 years ago... Even if he beats Pac now I feel..

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he only fought twice at 147 Mayweather and Collazo, its a shame he didn't adjust to 147 because thats where the big fights are now(apart from Pac ;D)

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good points mate! i got the feeling that people would begrudge it to him aswell because of the mayweather defeat. But having said that, the pacman has been beaten 3 times and has 2 draws. It's all very confusing to work out isnt it! Maybe Calzaghe should be p4p number 1 right now just simply because he is undefeated.

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Calzaghe is def not P4P #1. There was a good case for him prior to Pac's year, but now, Pac has seperated himself from Joe.

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yeah id probably agree, although pacman vs JMM could have gone either way. OK so most people think that should hatton win he wont be p4p number 1, then that leaves the question who would be? would pacman still be number 1 because he is fighting a guy in a higher division or would it go to somebody else?

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Most P4P lists have either Joe Calzaghe or Juan Manuel Marquez as #2 so which ever is at #2 becomes #1.

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OK so most people think that should hatton win he wont be p4p number 1, then that leaves the question who would be? would pacman still be number 1 because he is fighting a guy in a higher division or would it go to somebody else?

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It would have to go to the next highest ranked which would be Joe;D

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In my P4P list, that would have to go to Juan Manuel Marquez. Ring Magazine has JMM at #2 as well.

It's not gonna matter because Hatton is gonna get bulldozed!

The answer is flat out NO.

Why should beating a fighter who's two weight divisions above his peak fighting weight make Hatton # 1? Granted, Pac whipped DLH at 147, but you can't use that as a measuring stick.

No, but he should be in the top 6 if he does. Another top win puts him top 3 and then another win could put him top. A pretty tough thing to ask though.

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The answer is flat out NO.

Why should beating a fighter who's two weight divisions above his peak fighting weight make Hatton # 1? Granted, Pac whipped DLH at 147, but you can't use that as a measuring stick.

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yeah, these are all points to be considered. the reason i was saying this was because if hatton wins, he will have beat the p4p number 1. Like if hatton would have beat mayweather, there could have been no arguments over who was the best p4p. But this time if he beats p4p number 1 its not so clear cut as to wheather hatton would be the best p4p.

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The answer is flat out NO.

Why should beating a fighter who's two weight divisions above his peak fighting weight make Hatton # 1? Granted, Pac whipped DLH at 147, but you can't use that as a measuring stick.

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yeah, these are all points to be considered. the reason i was saying this was because if hatton wins, he will have beat the p4p number 1. Like if hatton would have beat mayweather, there could have been no arguments over who was the best p4p. But this time if he beats p4p number 1 its not so clear cut as to wheather hatton would be the best p4p.

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It's clear cut to me. If Hatton were to beat Pacquiao, the world's # 1 p4p, at Pacquiao's natural fighting weight... THEN I could see a case for Hatton being considered for the top spot. Other than that, no.

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The answer is flat out NO.

Why should beating a fighter who's two weight divisions above his peak fighting weight make Hatton # 1? Granted, Pac whipped DLH at 147, but you can't use that as a measuring stick.

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yeah, these are all points to be considered. the reason i was saying this was because if hatton wins, he will have beat the p4p number 1. Like if hatton would have beat mayweather, there could have been no arguments over who was the best p4p. But this time if he beats p4p number 1 its not so clear cut as to wheather hatton would be the best p4p.

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Flawed logic does that mean if ODLH had beat Manny Pacquiao would he have been P4P number 1 ? when Vernon Forrest beat Shane Mosley who was P4P number 1, or when Antonio Tarver beating RJJ who was one of the top P4P fighters.

They got nowhere near the top spot so i don't see why Ricky Hatton should, granted Ricky Hatton has done alot more than those fighters did when they beat the top P4P fighter.

But still no way should Ricky Hatton be P4P number 1, but i do disagree with some people here regarding weight. Manny Pacquiao when he was at the lower weightclasses was only a teenager.

So obviously that isn't his natural weight, as i've said 100's times when i was 16 i was just about 140 pounds, now im 165 pounds at 19. So Manny Pacquiao moving up that much in weight.

Isn't as much as shock as people think i think Manny Pacquiao, has fully grown into his body now. And i feel 135-140 pounds is for certain his natural weight, and probably the most comfortable weight for him at this time.

So if Ricky Hatton beats Manny Pacquiao he does deserve alot of credit, and should be atleast top 6 P4P but no way does he deserve the number 1 spot.

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The answer is flat out NO.

Why should beating a fighter who's two weight divisions above his peak fighting weight make Hatton # 1? Granted, Pac whipped DLH at 147, but you can't use that as a measuring stick.

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yeah, these are all points to be considered. the reason i was saying this was because if hatton wins, he will have beat the p4p number 1. Like if hatton would have beat mayweather, there could have been no arguments over who was the best p4p. But this time if he beats p4p number 1 its not so clear cut as to wheather hatton would be the best p4p.

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Flawed logic does that mean if ODLH had beat Manny Pacquiao would he have been P4P number 1 ? when Vernon Forrest beat Shane Mosley who was P4P number 1, or when Antonio Tarver beating RJJ who was one of the top P4P fighters.

They got nowhere near the top spot so i don't see why Ricky Hatton should, granted Ricky Hatton has done alot more than those fighters did when they beat the top P4P fighter.

But still no way should Ricky Hatton be P4P number 1, but i do disagree with some people here regarding weight. Manny Pacquiao when he was at the lower weightclasses was only a teenager.

So obviously that isn't his natural weight, as i've said 100's times when i was 16 i was just about 140 pounds, now im 165 pounds at 19. So Manny Pacquiao moving up that much in weight.

Isn't as much as shock as people think i think Manny Pacquiao, has fully grown into his body now. And i feel 135-140 pounds is for certain his natural weight, and probably the most comfortable weight for him at this time.

So if Ricky Hatton beats Manny Pacquiao he does deserve alot of credit, and should be atleast top 6 P4P but no way does he deserve the number 1 spot.

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yeah true! so i suppose the only way for hatton to get to number 1 is to beat pacman and then mayweather! not likely ey!

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The answer is flat out NO.

Why should beating a fighter who's two weight divisions above his peak fighting weight make Hatton # 1? Granted, Pac whipped DLH at 147, but you can't use that as a measuring stick.

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yeah, these are all points to be considered. the reason i was saying this was because if hatton wins, he will have beat the p4p number 1. Like if hatton would have beat mayweather, there could have been no arguments over who was the best p4p. But this time if he beats p4p number 1 its not so clear cut as to wheather hatton would be the best p4p.

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Flawed logic does that mean if ODLH had beat Manny Pacquiao would he have been P4P number 1 ? when Vernon Forrest beat Shane Mosley who was P4P number 1, or when Antonio Tarver beating RJJ who was one of the top P4P fighters.

They got nowhere near the top spot so i don't see why Ricky Hatton should, granted Ricky Hatton has done alot more than those fighters did when they beat the top P4P fighter.

But still no way should Ricky Hatton be P4P number 1, but i do disagree with some people here regarding weight. Manny Pacquiao when he was at the lower weightclasses was only a teenager.

So obviously that isn't his natural weight, as i've said 100's times when i was 16 i was just about 140 pounds, now im 165 pounds at 19. So Manny Pacquiao moving up that much in weight.

Isn't as much as shock as people think i think Manny Pacquiao, has fully grown into his body now. And i feel 135-140 pounds is for certain his natural weight, and probably the most comfortable weight for him at this time.

So if Ricky Hatton beats Manny Pacquiao he does deserve alot of credit, and should be atleast top 6 P4P but no way does he deserve the number 1 spot.

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Manny was a boy at 105-108. He's fought for over three years and has had his best, classic fights at 130. Only in his last two fights (David Diaz at 135 and DLH at 147) has Manny ventured outside 130. I see no basis for your claim that 135-140 is his natural weight. That, IMO would only add to Hatton's claim for being # 1 p4p were he to beat Pac at 140. And that's simply not true.

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yeah, these are all points to be considered. the reason i was saying this was because if hatton wins, he will have beat the p4p number 1. Like if hatton would have beat mayweather, there could have been no arguments over who was the best p4p. But this time if he beats p4p number 1 its not so clear cut as to wheather hatton would be the best p4p.

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Flawed logic does that mean if ODLH had beat Manny Pacquiao would he have been P4P number 1 ? when Vernon Forrest beat Shane Mosley who was P4P number 1, or when Antonio Tarver beating RJJ who was one of the top P4P fighters.

They got nowhere near the top spot so i don't see why Ricky Hatton should, granted Ricky Hatton has done alot more than those fighters did when they beat the top P4P fighter.

But still no way should Ricky Hatton be P4P number 1, but i do disagree with some people here regarding weight. Manny Pacquiao when he was at the lower weightclasses was only a teenager.

So obviously that isn't his natural weight, as i've said 100's times when i was 16 i was just about 140 pounds, now im 165 pounds at 19. So Manny Pacquiao moving up that much in weight.

Isn't as much as shock as people think i think Manny Pacquiao, has fully grown into his body now. And i feel 135-140 pounds is for certain his natural weight, and probably the most comfortable weight for him at this time.

So if Ricky Hatton beats Manny Pacquiao he does deserve alot of credit, and should be atleast top 6 P4P but no way does he deserve the number 1 spot.

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Manny was a boy at 105-108. He's fought for over three years and has had his best, classic fights at 130. Only in his last two fights (David Diaz at 135 and DLH at 147) has Manny ventured outside 130. I see no basis for your claim that 135-140 is his natural weight. That, IMO would only add to Hatton's claim for being # 1 p4p were he to beat Pac at 140. And that's simply not true.

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Manny Pacquiao is a fully grown man now, and has added muscle. In such a way where it hasn't effected his speed, so he naturally put the muscle on, has kept all his attributes, which leds me to believe that 135-140 is now his natural weight.

And not only that he is also an improved boxer in the last few years, so i believe Ricky Hatton does deserve alot of credit if he beat Manny Pacquiao, who i believe when he fights Ricky Hatton won't be far from his natural weight.

Titofan im just curious what do you feel Manny Pacquiao's natural weight is then ?