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The preceding links are ALL threads from Saddoboxing on the Pac/Mayweather blood test debacle, I suggest that unless you are representing a view not already covered in the previous threads maybe we should just let this die....................
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seriously this is getting creepy how obsessed some of you are. Both sides are just yelling at walls now.
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Didn't Manny volunteer to be tested up to one month before the fight and then immediately afterward? Not sure why that wouldn't be acceptable to PBF, etc... I DO know from working with Philipino people over manny years that they are a proud and rather superstitious people and I for one will give Manny the benefit as he has never been accused of this until PBF opened his mouth....I'm sure PBF would NEVER try to get into Manny's head by demanding blood tests up until fight time....So again, why is it unacceptable to test up until 1 month prior and right after the fight? Has anyone put this question to PBF?
because someone with experience could cycle around any date if they knew which date the test was on.
What good is taking a test after the fight? The test is supposed to prevent cheaters from competing.
What if Manny took something then went on to seriously injure Mayweather in their fight, then tests positive after the fight? All they'll do is change the ruling to a no contest & suspend/ban Pacquiao. Meanwhile Mayweather & his family have to deal with the pain inflicted by a cheater.
We don't need another Luis Resto/Billy Collins situation again.
Sorry, your way off base...You could NEVER "cycle" around a month time frame and not be caught, post fight. This is all a psychological ploy by Floyd and his team when they heard that Manny was superstitious about giving blood. They could test up until one month, then monitor his weight gain or even do regular urine tests, with a blood test after the fight. All of which Manny is cool with, don't be so played by PBF.
Why is it that people keep thinking i'm siding with Mayweather on this? I'm not. I do not care what Team Mayweather thinks. I do not care what Team Pacquiao thinks.
I'm not debating time limits. I simply said somebody could cycle if they knew the dates of the tests & it's the truth. I didn't say "30 days is enough time to cycle around." Because I do not know this.
My point was taking the test after the fight is pointless. These tests are designed to PREVENT cheaters from competing. They (blood or urine or blood/urine or a math test) should be administered as closely as possible before the fight without effecting a fighter's health & as soon as the fight is over without effecting a fighter's health.
Why can't anyone see that?
I'm not siding with Mayweather & I'm not siding with Pacquiao. I don't care who is right or wrong.
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Killersheep owned this thread.
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Killersheep owned this thread.
I second that.
Nothing could compete with that devastating array of links. Incredible work.
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Manny Pacquiao seem to be equating the IQ of the wider world with that of his sycophants and their quixotic imaginations. The suggestion that God takes his attention away from the tumulteous suffering and problems of this world to take the side of Manny Pacquiao against an opponent who also happens to be a Christian, is just as ludicrous as the collage of excuses being presented on his behalf. Yeah right! God likes Manny Pacquiao more than he likes Miguel Cotto and Oscar DeLahoya, so he allowed Manny to beat them up. That is in effect what he is saying when he claims that God helps him to win fights. It is backward, assinine, and insults the intelligence of everyone at or above a second grade reading level.
Floyd Mayweather did not demand that Manny Pacquiao undergo random drug testing, contrary to the many retarded interpretations of his proposal. Floyd Mayweather proposed that both he and Manny subject themselves to random drug testing during the period leading up to the fight. I seek in vain to find difficult or intricate terminologies in the presentation of this proposal that justifies or explain the scattering of obtuse responses being vomitted up to obfuscate Manny's scared back pedalling. :rolleyes:
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The Promoter
Sorry, your way off base...You could NEVER "cycle" around a month time frame and not be caught, post fight. This is all a psychological ploy by Floyd and his team when they heard that Manny was superstitious about giving blood.
Sorry, but you're talking shit - Learn about clearance times for PED's and then tell me why you couldn't cycle in a month and not get caught.
Failing that, check out one of killersheeps many links and you should find the answer to this PED debate that has been truely BEATEN TO DEATH
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Althugz
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The Promoter
Sorry, your way off base...You could NEVER "cycle" around a month time frame and not be caught, post fight. This is all a psychological ploy by Floyd and his team when they heard that Manny was superstitious about giving blood.
Sorry, but you're talking shit - Learn about clearance times for PED's and then tell me why you couldn't cycle in a month and not get caught.
Failing that, check out one of killersheeps many links and you should find the answer to this PED debate that has been truely BEATEN TO DEATH
I'm speaking Medical Reality, what PED's are you talking about? Manny's being accused of steroids(basically). Any Steroid or Pro-hormone would be caught within a 30 day window of urine tests and a post fight blood test, the urinalysis is a simple $450 test administered to suspect High School athletes today. Are you saying that if he was clean up until a month prior and then started Juicing for the month prior he would have no weight gain, that would cause suspicion?
Sorry, I don't look at other posts as fact simply because I agree with them. In case you want to know what Urine tests would catch a "cheater" during the month look up ;
Liquid Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (LC/MS/MS)
Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (GC/MS)
Again stop being so played by PBF.....
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Originally Posted by
The Promoter
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Althugz
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Originally Posted by
The Promoter
Sorry, your way off base...You could NEVER "cycle" around a month time frame and not be caught, post fight. This is all a psychological ploy by Floyd and his team when they heard that Manny was superstitious about giving blood.
Sorry, but you're talking shit - Learn about clearance times for PED's and then tell me why you couldn't cycle in a month and not get caught.
Failing that, check out one of killersheeps many links and you should find the answer to this PED debate that has been truely BEATEN TO DEATH
I'm speaking Medical Reality, what PED's are you talking about? Manny's being accused of steroids(basically). Any Steroid or Pro-hormone would be caught within a 30 day window of urine tests and a post fight blood test, the urinalysis is a simple $450 test administered to suspect High School athletes today. Are you saying that if he was clean up until a month prior and then started Juicing for the month prior he would have no weight gain, that would cause suspicion?
Sorry, I don't look at other posts as fact simply because I agree with them. In case you want to know what Urine tests would catch a "cheater" during the month look up ;
Liquid Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (LC/MS/MS)
Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (GC/MS)
Again stop being so played by PBF.....
Modern peds are far too complicated to be found only via urine, hence why the Olympic system uses as well blood test, this is also valid for the newest and most sophisticated Human growth hormones. Here's what Victor Conte, the mastermind behind the "clear" from Balco laboratories has to say about it: Drug testing in boxing - BBC Radio interview with Victor Conte and Steve Bunce from yesterday... - Bad Left Hook
IF you really think that it takes up to a month before stuff clear off your body by these days, you're 20 years obsolete in your knowledge on the topic.
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knodaledge
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Originally Posted by
The Promoter
Didn't Manny volunteer to be tested up to one month before the fight and then immediately afterward? Not sure why that wouldn't be acceptable to PBF, etc... I DO know from working with Philipino people over manny years that they are a proud and rather superstitious people and I for one will give Manny the benefit as he has never been accused of this until PBF opened his mouth....I'm sure PBF would NEVER try to get into Manny's head by demanding blood tests up until fight time....So again, why is it unacceptable to test up until 1 month prior and right after the fight? Has anyone put this question to PBF?
because someone with experience could cycle around any date if they knew which date the test was on.
What good is taking a test after the fight? The test is supposed to prevent cheaters from competing.
What if Manny took something then went on to seriously injure Mayweather in their fight, then tests positive after the fight? All they'll do is change the ruling to a no contest & suspend/ban Pacquiao. Meanwhile Mayweather & his family have to deal with the pain inflicted by a cheater.
We don't need another Luis Resto/Billy Collins situation again.
MANNY IF HE WAS ON PEDS AND FOUGHT FLOYD COULD NOT AND WOULD NOT BE A FUCKING RESTO VS COLLING SITUATION YOU IDIOT!!!!!!
THIS IS THE SHIT THAT PISSES ME OFF JUST PLAIN DUMB ASS IGNORANT COMMENTS!!!!!!!
HOW DOES A PERSON ON PEDS AND SOMEONE WITH LOADED GLOVES AND HALF THE PADDING TAKEN OUT COMPARE!!!!!!
IN WHAT FUCKING WAY!!!!!!!
YOU IDIOT!!!!
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Nameless
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The Promoter
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Althugz
Sorry, but you're talking shit - Learn about clearance times for PED's and then tell me why you couldn't cycle in a month and not get caught.
Failing that, check out one of killersheeps many links and you should find the answer to this PED debate that has been truely BEATEN TO DEATH
I'm speaking Medical Reality, what PED's are you talking about? Manny's being accused of steroids(basically). Any Steroid or Pro-hormone would be caught within a 30 day window of urine tests and a post fight blood test, the urinalysis is a simple $450 test administered to suspect High School athletes today. Are you saying that if he was clean up until a month prior and then started Juicing for the month prior he would have no weight gain, that would cause suspicion?
Sorry, I don't look at other posts as fact simply because I agree with them. In case you want to know what Urine tests would catch a "cheater" during the month look up ;
Liquid Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (LC/MS/MS)
Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (GC/MS)
Again stop being so played by PBF.....
Modern peds are far too complicated to be found only via urine, hence why the Olympic system uses as well blood test, this is also valid for the newest and most sophisticated Human growth hormones. Here's what Victor Conte, the mastermind behind the "clear" from Balco laboratories has to say about it:
Drug testing in boxing - BBC Radio interview with Victor Conte and Steve Bunce from yesterday... - Bad Left Hook
Did you listen to the interview? It's goes right to the matter Floyd is demanding blood tests up until 14 days prior while Manny agreed to 24 days prior, its a game by PBF becuase he knows Manny is superstitious. They are not using the testing I listed above which could clearly be given every day for 20 days prior to fight time and catch ANY cheating. The drugs he is referring to that could clear in 1 day are none hormonal (but even so could be tested for), steroids are hormonal and would not even be effective if they cleared in one day. Worst case a hair analysis could be done on either fighter the day of the fight to see if any banned substance was ever taken. Conte suggests random testing prior to fight time and Manny agreed to urinalysis everyday. These are two guys fighting for 10's of millions of dollars and 40k worth of testing for the last 20 days should not be a big deal. It's not like the Olympics where thousands of athletes need to be tested at a potential cost of 100's of millions, so testing is random and not full spectrum.
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Originally Posted by
The Promoter
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Originally Posted by
Nameless
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Originally Posted by
The Promoter
I'm speaking Medical Reality, what PED's are you talking about? Manny's being accused of steroids(basically). Any Steroid or Pro-hormone would be caught within a 30 day window of urine tests and a post fight blood test, the urinalysis is a simple $450 test administered to suspect High School athletes today. Are you saying that if he was clean up until a month prior and then started Juicing for the month prior he would have no weight gain, that would cause suspicion?
Sorry, I don't look at other posts as fact simply because I agree with them. In case you want to know what Urine tests would catch a "cheater" during the month look up ;
Liquid Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (LC/MS/MS)
Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (GC/MS)
Again stop being so played by PBF.....
Modern peds are far too complicated to be found only via urine, hence why the Olympic system uses as well blood test, this is also valid for the newest and most sophisticated Human growth hormones. Here's what Victor Conte, the mastermind behind the "clear" from Balco laboratories has to say about it:
Drug testing in boxing - BBC Radio interview with Victor Conte and Steve Bunce from yesterday... - Bad Left Hook
Did you listen to the interview? It's goes right to the matter Floyd is demanding blood tests up until 14 days prior while Manny agreed to 24 days prior,
its a game by PBF becuase he knows Manny is superstitious. They are not using the testing I listed above which could clearly be given every day for 20 days prior to fight time and catch ANY cheating. The drugs he is referring to that could clear in 1 day are none hormonal (but even so could be tested for), steroids are hormonal and would not even be effective if they cleared in one day. Worst case a hair analysis could be done on either fighter the day of the fight to see if any banned substance was ever taken. Conte suggests random testing prior to fight time and Manny agreed to urinalysis everyday. These are two guys fighting for 10's of millions of dollars and 40k worth of testing for the last 20 days should not be a big deal. It's not like the Olympics where thousands of athletes need to be tested at a potential cost of 100's of millions, so testing is random and not full spectrum.
superstitious of what?
http://www.stangnet.com/mustang-foru...dead_horse.gif
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killersheep
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The Promoter
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Nameless
Did you listen to the interview? It's goes right to the matter Floyd is demanding blood tests up until 14 days prior while Manny agreed to 24 days prior,
its a game by PBF becuase he knows Manny is superstitious. They are not using the testing I listed above which could clearly be given every day for 20 days prior to fight time and catch ANY cheating. The drugs he is referring to that could clear in 1 day are none hormonal (but even so could be tested for), steroids are hormonal and would not even be effective if they cleared in one day. Worst case a hair analysis could be done on either fighter the day of the fight to see if any banned substance was ever taken. Conte suggests random testing prior to fight time and Manny agreed to urinalysis everyday. These are two guys fighting for 10's of millions of dollars and 40k worth of testing for the last 20 days should not be a big deal. It's not like the Olympics where thousands of athletes need to be tested at a potential cost of 100's of millions, so testing is random and not full spectrum.
superstitious of what?
http://www.stangnet.com/mustang-foru...dead_horse.gif
Right or wrong a lot of people think having any sort of blood taken weakens them...I have some old relatives from Europe who come up with even more bizzare shit than this...Not saying right or wrong just saying he's superstitious and has offered other (just as valid) alternatives to taking blood...Why is Floyd so insistent on having blood drawn?...Boxing News 24 has a pretty good read on Manny's superstition...
Of Superstition & Old Wives’ Tales: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather
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