Pacquiao talking bollox....

[knodaledge]

Didn't Manny volunteer to be tested up to one month before the fight and then immediately afterward? Not sure why that wouldn't be acceptable to PBF, etc... I DO know from working with Philipino people over manny years that they are a proud and rather superstitious people and I for one will give Manny the benefit as he has never been accused of this until PBF opened his mouth....I'm sure PBF would NEVER try to get into Manny's head by demanding blood tests up until fight time....So again, why is it unacceptable to test up until 1 month prior and right after the fight? Has anyone put this question to PBF?

because someone with experience could cycle around any date if they knew which date the test was on.

What good is taking a test after the fight? The test is supposed to prevent cheaters from competing.

What if Manny took something then went on to seriously injure Mayweather in their fight, then tests positive after the fight? All they'll do is change the ruling to a no contest & suspend/ban Pacquiao. Meanwhile Mayweather & his family have to deal with the pain inflicted by a cheater.

We don't need another Luis Resto/Billy Collins situation again.

[generalbulldog]

Didn't Manny volunteer to be tested up to one month before the fight and then immediately afterward? Not sure why that wouldn't be acceptable to PBF, etc... I DO know from working with Philipino people over manny years that they are a proud and rather superstitious people and I for one will give Manny the benefit as he has never been accused of this until PBF opened his mouth....I'm sure PBF would NEVER try to get into Manny's head by demanding blood tests up until fight time....So again, why is it unacceptable to test up until 1 month prior and right after the fight? Has anyone put this question to PBF?

because someone with experience could cycle around any date if they knew which date the test was on.

What good is taking a test after the fight? The test is supposed to prevent cheaters from competing.

What if Manny took something then went on to seriously injure Mayweather in their fight, then tests positive after the fight? All they'll do is change the ruling to a no contest & suspend/ban Pacquiao. Meanwhile Mayweather & his family have to deal with the pain inflicted by a cheater.

We don't need another Luis Resto/Billy Collins situation again.

Now you're being overtly dramatic. To my knowledge no one has died in the ring because the other guy was on PEDs. PEDs and loading up your gloves are different.

BTW no one has talked about the Mayweathers wanting the Olympic style drug testing in the 1st place because they believed that Manny is on some special Flip drug that can make you invincible to .38 and .45 caliber bullets that Flips used in war and kept coming forward.

In their own words, it's not a steroid but a special drug that the Flip military secretly has. It's a special super human drugs Flips have. They lost all credibility right there.

[knodaledge]

Didn't Manny volunteer to be tested up to one month before the fight and then immediately afterward? Not sure why that wouldn't be acceptable to PBF, etc... I DO know from working with Philipino people over manny years that they are a proud and rather superstitious people and I for one will give Manny the benefit as he has never been accused of this until PBF opened his mouth....I'm sure PBF would NEVER try to get into Manny's head by demanding blood tests up until fight time....So again, why is it unacceptable to test up until 1 month prior and right after the fight? Has anyone put this question to PBF?

because someone with experience could cycle around any date if they knew which date the test was on.

What good is taking a test after the fight? The test is supposed to prevent cheaters from competing.

What if Manny took something then went on to seriously injure Mayweather in their fight, then tests positive after the fight? All they'll do is change the ruling to a no contest & suspend/ban Pacquiao. Meanwhile Mayweather & his family have to deal with the pain inflicted by a cheater.

We don't need another Luis Resto/Billy Collins situation again.

Now you're being overtly dramatic. To my knowledge no one has died in the ring because the other guy was on PEDs. PEDs and loading up your gloves are different.

BTW no one has talked about the Mayweathers wanting the Olympic style drug testing in the 1st place because they believed that Manny is on some special Flip drug that can make you invincible to .38 and .45 caliber bullets that Flips used in war and kept coming forward.

In their own words, it's not a steroid but a special drug that the Flip military secretly has. It's a special super human drugs Flips have. They lost all credibility right there.

Wait wait wait...now you're assuming I agree with Team Mayweather's reasoning. I do not.

I do not believe Pacquiao is on any type of drugs. I'm not even advocating taking the tests in my post.

All i'm saying is a test AFTER the fight is pointless because it could allow a fighter to be fighting with additional help. The tests, any type of drug test (blood or urine, i dont care) should be taken before the fight.

It's not fair to the opponent & it is dangerous. The first thing on the mind of the commission should be the health & safety of the fighters.

Maybe nobody has killed anyone with the help of PEDs or whatever, but my whole point is let's keep it that way. Let's not take chances.

[The Promoter]

Didn't Manny volunteer to be tested up to one month before the fight and then immediately afterward? Not sure why that wouldn't be acceptable to PBF, etc... I DO know from working with Philipino people over manny years that they are a proud and rather superstitious people and I for one will give Manny the benefit as he has never been accused of this until PBF opened his mouth....I'm sure PBF would NEVER try to get into Manny's head by demanding blood tests up until fight time....So again, why is it unacceptable to test up until 1 month prior and right after the fight? Has anyone put this question to PBF?

because someone with experience could cycle around any date if they knew which date the test was on.

What good is taking a test after the fight? The test is supposed to prevent cheaters from competing.

What if Manny took something then went on to seriously injure Mayweather in their fight, then tests positive after the fight? All they'll do is change the ruling to a no contest & suspend/ban Pacquiao. Meanwhile Mayweather & his family have to deal with the pain inflicted by a cheater.

We don't need another Luis Resto/Billy Collins situation again.

Sorry, your way off base...You could NEVER "cycle" around a month time frame and not be caught, post fight. This is all a psychological ploy by Floyd and his team when they heard that Manny was superstitious about giving blood. They could test up until one month, then monitor his weight gain or even do regular urine tests, with a blood test after the fight. All of which Manny is cool with, don't be so played by PBF.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Didn't Manny volunteer to be tested up to one month before the fight and then immediately afterward? Not sure why that wouldn't be acceptable to PBF, etc... I DO know from working with Philipino people over manny years that they are a proud and rather superstitious people and I for one will give Manny the benefit as he has never been accused of this until PBF opened his mouth....I'm sure PBF would NEVER try to get into Manny's head by demanding blood tests up until fight time....So again, why is it unacceptable to test up until 1 month prior and right after the fight? Has anyone put this question to PBF?

because someone with experience could cycle around any date if they knew which date the test was on.

What good is taking a test after the fight? The test is supposed to prevent cheaters from competing.

What if Manny took something then went on to seriously injure Mayweather in their fight, then tests positive after the fight? All they'll do is change the ruling to a no contest & suspend/ban Pacquiao. Meanwhile Mayweather & his family have to deal with the pain inflicted by a cheater.

We don't need another Luis Resto/Billy Collins situation again.

Sorry, your way off base...You could NEVER "cycle" around a month time frame and not be caught, post fight. This is all a psychological ploy by Floyd and his team when they heard that Manny was superstitious about giving blood. They could test up until one month, then monitor his weight gain or even do regular urine tests, with a blood test after the fight. All of which Manny is cool with, don't be so played by PBF.

I didn't know this. Manny went further to 24 days before the fight.

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[knodaledge]

Didn't Manny volunteer to be tested up to one month before the fight and then immediately afterward? Not sure why that wouldn't be acceptable to PBF, etc... I DO know from working with Philipino people over manny years that they are a proud and rather superstitious people and I for one will give Manny the benefit as he has never been accused of this until PBF opened his mouth....I'm sure PBF would NEVER try to get into Manny's head by demanding blood tests up until fight time....So again, why is it unacceptable to test up until 1 month prior and right after the fight? Has anyone put this question to PBF?

because someone with experience could cycle around any date if they knew which date the test was on.

What good is taking a test after the fight? The test is supposed to prevent cheaters from competing.

What if Manny took something then went on to seriously injure Mayweather in their fight, then tests positive after the fight? All they'll do is change the ruling to a no contest & suspend/ban Pacquiao. Meanwhile Mayweather & his family have to deal with the pain inflicted by a cheater.

We don't need another Luis Resto/Billy Collins situation again.

Sorry, your way off base...You could NEVER "cycle" around a month time frame and not be caught, post fight. This is all a psychological ploy by Floyd and his team when they heard that Manny was superstitious about giving blood. They could test up until one month, then monitor his weight gain or even do regular urine tests, with a blood test after the fight. All of which Manny is cool with, don't be so played by PBF.

Why is it that people keep thinking i'm siding with Mayweather on this? I'm not. I do not care what Team Mayweather thinks. I do not care what Team Pacquiao thinks.

I'm not debating time limits. I simply said somebody could cycle if they knew the dates of the tests & it's the truth. I didn't say "30 days is enough time to cycle around." Because I do not know this.

My point was taking the test after the fight is pointless. These tests are designed to PREVENT cheaters from competing. They (blood or urine or blood/urine or a math test) should be administered as closely as possible before the fight without effecting a fighter's health & as soon as the fight is over without effecting a fighter's health.

Why can't anyone see that?

I'm not siding with Mayweather & I'm not siding with Pacquiao. I don't care who is right or wrong.

[CFH]

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[Gandalf]

Killersheep owned this thread.

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[Althugz]

Sorry, your way off base...You could NEVER "cycle" around a month time frame and not be caught, post fight. This is all a psychological ploy by Floyd and his team when they heard that Manny was superstitious about giving blood.

Sorry, but you're talking shit - Learn about clearance times for PED's and then tell me why you couldn't cycle in a month and not get caught.

Failing that, check out one of killersheeps many links and you should find the answer to this PED debate that has been truely BEATEN TO DEATH

[The Promoter]

Sorry, your way off base...You could NEVER "cycle" around a month time frame and not be caught, post fight. This is all a psychological ploy by Floyd and his team when they heard that Manny was superstitious about giving blood.

Sorry, but you're talking shit - Learn about clearance times for PED's and then tell me why you couldn't cycle in a month and not get caught.

Failing that, check out one of killersheeps many links and you should find the answer to this PED debate that has been truely BEATEN TO DEATH

I'm speaking Medical Reality, what PED's are you talking about? Manny's being accused of steroids(basically). Any Steroid or Pro-hormone would be caught within a 30 day window of urine tests and a post fight blood test, the urinalysis is a simple $450 test administered to suspect High School athletes today. Are you saying that if he was clean up until a month prior and then started Juicing for the month prior he would have no weight gain, that would cause suspicion?

Sorry, I don't look at other posts as fact simply because I agree with them. In case you want to know what Urine tests would catch a "cheater" during the month look up ;
Liquid Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (LC/MS/MS)
Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (GC/MS)

Again stop being so played by PBF.....

[Nameless]

Sorry, your way off base...You could NEVER "cycle" around a month time frame and not be caught, post fight. This is all a psychological ploy by Floyd and his team when they heard that Manny was superstitious about giving blood.

Sorry, but you're talking shit - Learn about clearance times for PED's and then tell me why you couldn't cycle in a month and not get caught.

Failing that, check out one of killersheeps many links and you should find the answer to this PED debate that has been truely BEATEN TO DEATH

I'm speaking Medical Reality, what PED's are you talking about? Manny's being accused of steroids(basically). Any Steroid or Pro-hormone would be caught within a 30 day window of urine tests and a post fight blood test, the urinalysis is a simple $450 test administered to suspect High School athletes today. Are you saying that if he was clean up until a month prior and then started Juicing for the month prior he would have no weight gain, that would cause suspicion?

Sorry, I don't look at other posts as fact simply because I agree with them. In case you want to know what Urine tests would catch a "cheater" during the month look up ;
Liquid Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (LC/MS/MS)
Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometry (GC/MS)

Again stop being so played by PBF.....

Modern peds are far too complicated to be found only via urine, hence why the Olympic system uses as well blood test, this is also valid for the newest and most sophisticated Human growth hormones. Here's what Victor Conte, the mastermind behind the "clear" from Balco laboratories has to say about it: Drug testing in boxing - BBC Radio interview with Victor Conte and Steve Bunce from yesterday... - Bad Left Hook

IF you really think that it takes up to a month before stuff clear off your body by these days, you're 20 years obsolete in your knowledge on the topic.