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Re: Pac vs ODLH: Pac declines offer
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Violent Demise
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brucelee
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zhubin
Say what you want about Oscar...but Pac is dillusional to think he will get 60/40 in his favor. I could personally care less about this matchup...so hopefully it wont happen and Pac can focus on taking care of business in the lower weight classes. These kind of fights show the ugly/greedy side of boxing. Neither of these fighters should be looking for this fight to happen. There are plenty of natural/great 147 pounders Oscar could/should be fighting. And Pac has plenty of great opponents at 130/135. But $$$ and publicity sometimes trumps all in this business.
So Oscar is getting 70% and it's fair?:confused:
Come on guys, let's put down our biases here. Pac is taking the greater risk.He's the smaller guy and he's doomed to be KOed in this fight. Pac deserves 35% at least.
Pac doesn't need to promote this fight. Unlike Mayweather vs DLH, this fight is a publicity in itself.
Boxing should be beyond nationality. True boxing fans don't care about nationality.:cool:
You see the numbers to Pac last PPV?
That shows nobody really cares about Pac unless he's fighting another big name. Oscar can fight your mom and people will watch. He without a doubt deserves the bigger purse. And what the fukk is Pac even complaining about? That 30% is a career high purse. Take the money and fight. You ran your mouth. Now you going to biitch out?
Yeah. Have you seen it VD? The way you're claiming things clearly shows how bias and ignorant you are.:rolleyes:
We are talking about being fair here.We're not talking of absolute amounts. What would you feel if your favorite fighter "El Cepillo" fights Pac and be given 30% share after Pac loses against Morales (pac vs morales1... supposing we can go to back to that time)? Surely, you would not want that. Regardless of Pac's fame, you would want your fighter to get a decent share of the purse.
How much more Pac vs DLH? Remember, Pac may get seriously hurt in this fight.
Stop being a comedian and be a normal person once in a while.:cool:
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Re: Pac vs ODLH: Pac declines offer
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SaddoBoxer
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Violent Demise
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SaddoBoxer
PAC just showing that Hoya can't force his issue on everybody in boxing.
Hoya is the PPV king but offering 70-30 split is sort of a disrespect to PAC...
:lolhaha: Yeah paying a fighter double the amount of his previous highest purse is really disrespectful. Come now. Bottom line is Pac talked a good game, but never really wanted the fight. If he did he would accept his career high purse and fight. But he knows it's going to be hard to enjoy his money if he's in ICU.
What does Oscar have at the moment?
He even got NO belt.
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Yep, considering the fact that pac has the belt in 135 and also #1 p4p.
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Violent Demise
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Panadzzz
Anyways hoya is filthy rich now. Why can't he just give 10% more? 60-40. Is that too much asking since it's regarded as risky by the pac team?
He's already getting double his previous high purse. Pac is going from a coward biitch to a money hungry coward biitch. Fool ran his mouth. Than decides to punk out.
:pointlol: Manny Pacquiao
If you're going to swim in the amazon river with a lot of piranhas for a stunt then you have to demand a higher talent fee.
Same goes for pac, he is going to very high risks in fighting hoya.
Btw, i want pac vs. el cepillo too!That would be really an entertaining fight! I hope you won't come up with an excuse that casa is old for pac if ever pac beats him, huh?:cool:
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Soto vs Pac would be a goodin!
Maybe not as bankable as an Oscar fight...but more credible, IWHO.
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I understand the whole risk factor and all but Cmon 10-15 million dollar purse, for a 135 pound fighter!!! You will never ever see that again...EVER!!! Manny Pac just flushed away his opportunity to get the highest pay day he has ever gotten by almost triple, not to mention screwed over any body at that weight who will come along after him that might be lucky enough to draw a fraction of that money and Pac just flushed away this top earning precedence for any fighter at a lighter weight...
So in a fact Manny could have blazed a trail for higher earning at that weight class and he dropped the ball on that too
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Hoya was able to lure PBF to a 70-30 purse split last time since he was the champ and PBF the challenger but now Hoya got no more belt and PAC deserves to get a purse share of 35 to 40 percent IMO.
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SaddoBoxer
Hoya was able to lure PBF to a 70-30 purse split last time since he was the champ and PBF the challenger but now Hoya got no more belt and PAC deserves to get a purse share of 35 to 40 percent IMO.
Yep no Pac will fight fight Soto or Valero for peanuts now:rolleyes:
Hey I see were you guys are coming from but money is money man.... Pac has nothing to lose in this fight. If he beats Delahoya then it adds to Mannys already impressive Legacy, moving to Welter and beating the GoldenBoy and then become rich beyond his wildest dreams..
If he loses then he moved up 40 pounds over his natural weight to lose to a bigger stronger Delahoya, his PFP status and 135 title will both intact and OH YEA... HE'LL STILL BE RICH BEYOND HIS WILDEST DREAMS!!!!!!!!!
Pac stop bullshittin around and make the fight
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Pac has made the correct decision. I wasnt into this anyway. Oscar is trying to finish off his career by making the biggest fight against the smallest guy possible. Really lame IMO. Oscar is in it only for the money and it shows more than ever. Golden Boy, my arse, he's a fruit loop with his suspenders and thing for little men.
I want to see him fight Margarito if he is to fight anyone. And I hope DLH gets mauled and loses an ear lobe.
I really dont like DLH.
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JT Rock
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SaddoBoxer
Hoya was able to lure PBF to a 70-30 purse split last time since he was the champ and PBF the challenger but now Hoya got no more belt and PAC deserves to get a purse share of 35 to 40 percent IMO.
Yep no Pac will fight fight Soto or Valero for peanuts now:rolleyes:
Hey I see were you guys are coming from but money is money man.... Pac has nothing to lose in this fight. If he beats Delahoya then it adds to Mannys already impressive Legacy, moving to Welter and beating the GoldenBoy and then become rich beyond his wildest dreams..
If he loses then he moved up 40 pounds over his natural weight to lose to a bigger stronger Delahoya, his PFP status and 135 title will both intact and OH YEA... HE'LL STILL BE RICH BEYOND HIS WILDEST DREAMS!!!!!!!!!
Pac stop bullshittin around and make the fight
Are you one of those who said that this fight is a freak show when negotiation was still alive? Why you're mad when PAC dumps Oscar by standing firm on his demand for a fair share of the purse?
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Good decision by Pac, he would of got destroyed.
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It's surprising Pac is turning down $15m considering his best ever purse is $3-5m.. BUT.. Pac isn't at the very end of his career.
He wont make $15m for any other single fight, but may make MORE than that sum for his next three fights.. especially if one of those include Hatton.
Earning $15m in defeat is surely not as good as earning $15m in victory ;)
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Re: Pac vs ODLH: Pac declines offer
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SaddoBoxer
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Originally Posted by
JT Rock
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SaddoBoxer
Hoya was able to lure PBF to a 70-30 purse split last time since he was the champ and PBF the challenger but now Hoya got no more belt and PAC deserves to get a purse share of 35 to 40 percent IMO.
Yep no Pac will fight fight Soto or Valero for peanuts now:rolleyes:
Hey I see were you guys are coming from but money is money man.... Pac has nothing to lose in this fight. If he beats Delahoya then it adds to Mannys already impressive Legacy, moving to Welter and beating the GoldenBoy and then become rich beyond his wildest dreams..
If he loses then he moved up 40 pounds over his natural weight to lose to a bigger stronger Delahoya, his PFP status and 135 title will both intact and OH YEA... HE'LL STILL BE RICH BEYOND HIS WILDEST DREAMS!!!!!!!!!
Pac stop bullshittin around and make the fight
Are you one of those who said that this fight is a freak show when negotiation was still alive? Why you're mad when PAC dumps Oscar by standing firm on his demand for a fair share of the purse?
I dont believe so.. :confused:
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Re: Pac vs ODLH: Pac declines offer
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Violent Demise
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brucelee
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zhubin
Say what you want about Oscar...but Pac is dillusional to think he will get 60/40 in his favor. I could personally care less about this matchup...so hopefully it wont happen and Pac can focus on taking care of business in the lower weight classes. These kind of fights show the ugly/greedy side of boxing. Neither of these fighters should be looking for this fight to happen. There are plenty of natural/great 147 pounders Oscar could/should be fighting. And Pac has plenty of great opponents at 130/135. But $$$ and publicity sometimes trumps all in this business.
So Oscar is getting 70% and it's fair?:confused:
Come on guys, let's put down our biases here. Pac is taking the greater risk.He's the smaller guy and he's doomed to be KOed in this fight. Pac deserves 35% at least.
Pac doesn't need to promote this fight. Unlike Mayweather vs DLH, this fight is a publicity in itself.
Boxing should be beyond nationality. True boxing fans don't care about nationality.:cool:
You see the numbers to Pac last PPV? That shows nobody really cares about Pac unless he's fighting another big name. Oscar can fight your mom and people will watch. He without a doubt deserves the bigger purse. And what the fukk is Pac even complaining about? That 30% is a career high purse. Take the money and fight. You ran your mouth. Now you going to biitch out?
umm which opponent do you think can make a fight against david diaz get better ppv numbers? you think oscar can? ;D
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miles
Pac has made the correct decision. I wasnt into this anyway. Oscar is trying to finish off his career by making the biggest fight against the smallest guy possible. Really lame IMO. Oscar is in it only for the money and it shows more than ever. Golden Boy, my arse, he's a fruit loop with his suspenders and thing for little men.
I want to see him fight Margarito if he is to fight anyone. And I hope DLH gets mauled and loses an ear lobe.
I really dont like DLH.
you wanting oscar to fight margarito shows how much you hate him. ;D
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I duno who else there is out there for Oscar to fight
Ideally Margarito fights Paul Williams or Santos again. Hatton fights Pac . That leaves Oscar with a potential Mosley return or Mora fight
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GAME
I duno who else there is out there for Oscar to fight
Ideally Margarito fights Paul Williams or Santos again. Hatton fights Pac . That leaves Oscar with a potential Mosley return or Mora fight
Winky Wright would be great choice for ODLH's last stand.
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Re: Pac vs ODLH: Pac declines offer
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JT Rock
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SaddoBoxer
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JT Rock
Yep no Pac will fight fight Soto or Valero for peanuts now:rolleyes:
Hey I see were you guys are coming from but money is money man.... Pac has nothing to lose in this fight. If he beats Delahoya then it adds to Mannys already impressive Legacy, moving to Welter and beating the GoldenBoy and then become rich beyond his wildest dreams..
If he loses then he moved up 40 pounds over his natural weight to lose to a bigger stronger Delahoya, his PFP status and 135 title will both intact and OH YEA... HE'LL STILL BE RICH BEYOND HIS WILDEST DREAMS!!!!!!!!!
Pac stop bullshittin around and make the fight
Are you one of those who said that this fight is a freak show when negotiation was still alive? Why you're mad when PAC dumps Oscar by standing firm on his demand for a fair share of the purse?
I dont believe so.. :confused:
Sorry about that mate... Good to find few people who were looking forward to this very special and intriguing fight but now were mad that the fight was called off...
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I'm really confused on how I should feel about this Pac vs DLH fight. I don't want Manny to get seriously hurt but I want him to fight DLH coz I believe Pacman already wants to retire. The best way to retire is to get as much money as possible.:-\
As a true pac fan, I must honestly say that fighting ODLH is simply for the money. For me, nothing's wrong about this. Fighters do fight for the money. It's part of the game so there's nothing wrong about it. Pac had proven already that he will fight anybody. He had already proven his courage and this time it will be harvest time for his great contribution to the boxing world.:)
Besides, Pac is a philantrophist and he gives a portion of his earnings to my countrymen. This is primary the reason why I want him to have more of the split.:cool:
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Re: Pac vs ODLH: Pac declines offer
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KKisser
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Violent Demise
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brucelee
So Oscar is getting 70% and it's fair?:confused:
Come on guys, let's put down our biases here. Pac is taking the greater risk.He's the smaller guy and he's doomed to be KOed in this fight. Pac deserves 35% at least.
Pac doesn't need to promote this fight. Unlike Mayweather vs DLH, this fight is a publicity in itself.
Boxing should be beyond nationality. True boxing fans don't care about nationality.:cool:
You see the numbers to Pac last PPV? That shows nobody really cares about Pac unless he's fighting another big name. Oscar can fight your mom and people will watch. He without a doubt deserves the bigger purse. And what the fukk is Pac even complaining about? That 30% is a career high purse. Take the money and fight. You ran your mouth. Now you going to biitch out?
umm which opponent do you think can make a fight against david diaz get better ppv numbers? you think oscar can? ;D
Do you know De La Hoya once sold out the Sun Bowl in El Paso, Texas with Patrick Charpentier as his opponent? It don't matter who Oscar fights. People will watch
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The Boxing Herald Show
Thu, 14 August 2008
http://boxingherald.libsyn.com/img/podcastIcon.gif BREAKING NEWS REGARDING PACQUIAO-DE LA HOYA
http://libsyn.com/images/boxingherald/callfreddie.jpg BoxingHerald.com was just informed by Manny Pacquiao trainer Freddie Roach that negotiations for Pacquiao's fight with Oscar De La Hoya have NOT closed.
Roach also stated that he "wouldn't want a dime" if Pacquiao loses to De La Hoya.
Obviously, the LA based trainer wants the mega event to happen.
Direct download: roach808a.MP3
Category: podcasts -- posted at: 10:52 PM
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I believe in Coach Freddie Roach, he sounds sincere and genuine in PAC's safety and welfare, but I still believe PAC will lose this fight.
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Re: Pac vs ODLH: Pac declines offer
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Violent Demise
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KKisser
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Violent Demise
You see the numbers to Pac last PPV? That shows nobody really cares about Pac unless he's fighting another big name. Oscar can fight your mom and people will watch. He without a doubt deserves the bigger purse. And what the fukk is Pac even complaining about? That 30% is a career high purse. Take the money and fight. You ran your mouth. Now you going to biitch out?
umm which opponent do you think can make a fight against david diaz get better ppv numbers? you think oscar can? ;D
Do you know De La Hoya once sold out the Sun Bowl in El Paso, Texas with Patrick Charpentier as his opponent? It don't matter who Oscar fights. People will watch
PAC fully recognized Hoya as the main draw by giving Hoya the lion share or 60% of the purse. But the greedy 70-30 offer from Hoya is just unacceptable to PAC... End of negotiations...
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SaddoBoxer
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Violent Demise
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KKisser
umm which opponent do you think can make a fight against david diaz get better ppv numbers? you think oscar can? ;D
Do you know De La Hoya once sold out the Sun Bowl in El Paso, Texas with Patrick Charpentier as his opponent? It don't matter who Oscar fights. People will watch
PAC fully recognized Hoya as the main draw by giving Hoya the lion share or 60% of the purse. But the greedy 70-30 offer from Hoya is just unacceptable to PAC... End of negotiations...
Shear "Bullshit", dam Pac fans cry because the 2nd JMM fight did not materialize so soon because JMM wanted a larger percentage. No difference here except Pac just turned down an even larger load of money, (well, he gets to remain at 135) Same argument, ODLH is the vehicle behind the money as Pac was vs JMM ...
There is no $$$ @ 135 and I personally do not see a Hatton fight selling well in the USA. He will have to return to !30 to get decent purses vs Valero, Soto and Guzman.combined = a 30% cut vs ODLH.
Now we will see if he suffers JMM's same fate and loses against a lesser opponent.
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Re: Pac vs ODLH: Pac declines offer
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brucelee
I'm really confused on how I should feel about this Pac vs DLH fight. I don't want Manny to get seriously hurt but I want him to fight DLH coz I believe Pacman already wants to retire. The best way to retire is to get as much money as possible.:-\
As a true pac fan, I must honestly say that fighting ODLH is simply for the money. For me, nothing's wrong about this. Fighters do fight for the money. It's part of the game so there's nothing wrong about it. Pac had proven already that he will fight anybody. He had already proven his courage and this time it will be harvest time for his great contribution to the boxing world.:)
Besides, Pac is a philantrophist and he gives a portion of his earnings to my countrymen. This is primary the reason why I want him to have more of the split.:cool:
yes, I like how Pac remains grounded
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After PAC dumped Hoya the second time around we will see what Hoya will do... Maybe Hoya will cry "Waaa, this is getting too personal" ... ;D
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SaddoBoxer
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Violent Demise
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KKisser
umm which opponent do you think can make a fight against david diaz get better ppv numbers? you think oscar can? ;D
Do you know De La Hoya once sold out the Sun Bowl in El Paso, Texas with Patrick Charpentier as his opponent? It don't matter who Oscar fights. People will watch
PAC fully recognized Hoya as the main draw by giving Hoya the lion share or 60% of the purse. But the greedy 70-30 offer from Hoya is just unacceptable to PAC... End of negotiations...
Come on now. Seriously. Think about it. That 30% is double his highest previous purse. He can't make that fighting anybody else. Yet he turns it down. And you call Oscar greedy? :LOLATYOU:
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Violent Demise
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SaddoBoxer
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Violent Demise
Do you know De La Hoya once sold out the Sun Bowl in El Paso, Texas with Patrick Charpentier as his opponent? It don't matter who Oscar fights. People will watch
PAC fully recognized Hoya as the main draw by giving Hoya the lion share or 60% of the purse. But the greedy 70-30 offer from Hoya is just unacceptable to PAC... End of negotiations...
Come on now. Seriously. Think about it. That 30% is double his highest previous purse. He can't make that fighting anybody else. Yet he turns it down. And you call Oscar greedy? :LOLATYOU:
30% is good for PBF since he was the challenger and Oscar was the champ at that time. Since then Oscar is on a steady decline. Oscar got beaten by PBF and marked heavily by Forbes in a sleeper fight plus Oscar got no more belt.
On the other hand PAC on steady rise, belt at 130, most exciting boxer, belt at 135, no. 1 P4P best boxer, etc. So IMO seriously PAC deserves 35 to 40 percent of the purse... Get it?
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Violent Demise
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KKisser
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Violent Demise
You see the numbers to Pac last PPV? That shows nobody really cares about Pac unless he's fighting another big name. Oscar can fight your mom and people will watch. He without a doubt deserves the bigger purse. And what the fukk is Pac even complaining about? That 30% is a career high purse. Take the money and fight. You ran your mouth. Now you going to biitch out?
umm which opponent do you think can make a fight against david diaz get better ppv numbers? you think oscar can? ;D
Do you know De La Hoya once sold out the Sun Bowl in El Paso, Texas with Patrick Charpentier as his opponent? It don't matter who Oscar fights. People will watch
yeah right, when he was 10 years younger and at the peak of his career. sure oscar is still ppv king but you brought up manny's numbers fighting david diaz that's why i'm asking if anybody oscar included could turn in bigger ppv sales fighting against diaz.
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KKisser
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Violent Demise
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KKisser
umm which opponent do you think can make a fight against david diaz get better ppv numbers? you think oscar can? ;D
Do you know De La Hoya once sold out the Sun Bowl in El Paso, Texas with Patrick Charpentier as his opponent? It don't matter who Oscar fights. People will watch
yeah right, when he was 10 years younger and at the peak of his career. sure oscar is still ppv king but you brought up manny's numbers fighting david diaz
that's why i'm asking if anybody oscar included could turn in bigger ppv sales fighting against diaz.
Oscar-Diaz would have done at least twice as many PPV buys as pac-Diaz did. Maybe 3x more.
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SweetPea
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KKisser
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Violent Demise
Do you know De La Hoya once sold out the Sun Bowl in El Paso, Texas with Patrick Charpentier as his opponent? It don't matter who Oscar fights. People will watch
yeah right, when he was 10 years younger and at the peak of his career. sure oscar is still ppv king but you brought up manny's numbers fighting david diaz
that's why i'm asking if anybody oscar included could turn in bigger ppv sales fighting against diaz.
Oscar-Diaz would have done at least twice as many PPV buys as pac-Diaz did. Maybe 3x more.
that would have gotten 3x more flack than the proposed pac-dlh fight. nobody would buy that.
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Every fight Oscar is in gets flack from us hardcores it seems, I even hated the idea of PBF-Mayweather at first, yet it's not us who makes the PPV buys.
This is a joke, if Mayweather got a 70/30 split, then what makes anyone believe Manny should get anymore then that? In the mainstream press, the ESPN crowd, Mayweather has more of a name then Pacquiao anyways.
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30% is good for PBF since he was the challenger and Oscar was the champ at that time.
The belt had absolutely zero importance in that fight. That fight was about having the biggest star in the sport against the #1 PFP fighter in the world. The belt at 154 was meaningless. Most belts are meaningless. Oscar didn't get 70% against Floyd because he was a beltholder. He got 70% because he was the draw. That's why Oscar feels he deserves 70% against Pacquiao as well, because he would be the draw, not Manny.
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that would have gotten 3x more flack than the proposed pac-dlh fight. nobody would buy that.
If you're saying "nobody would buy that" about a fight involving Oscar De La Hoya, then I question how much attention you've been paying to PPV totals over the last 15 years or so. Oscar is the biggest non-heavyweight PPV draw in the history of boxing. He could fight Danny G and do more PPV buys than Pacquiao could against Marquez.
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SaddoBoxer
30% is good for PBF since he was the challenger and Oscar was the champ at that time.
The belt had absolutely zero importance in that fight. That fight was about having the biggest star in the sport against the #1 PFP fighter in the world. The belt at 154 was meaningless. Most belts are meaningless. Oscar didn't get 70% against Floyd because he was a beltholder. He got 70% because he was the draw. That's why Oscar feels he deserves 70% against Pacquiao as well, because he would be the draw, not Manny.
I also considered belts meaningless but mind you, belts has some bearing in purse negotiations...
You conveniently omitted these factors. Can you give opposing thoughts on this?
"Since then Oscar is on a steady decline. Oscar got beaten by PBF and marked heavily by Forbes in a sleeper fight.
On the other hand PAC on steady rise, belt at 130, most exciting boxer, belt at 135, no. 1 P4P best boxer, etc. So IMO seriously PAC deserves 35 to 40 percent of the purse... "
Oscar is the draw, it's a fact and giving 60% or 65% to Oscar is a clear indication that he's the draw otherwise Oscar gets 50% or less...
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"Since then Oscar is on a steady decline. Oscar got beaten by PBF and marked heavily by Forbes in a sleeper fight.
Losing to Floyd didn't indicate that Oscar was on a steady decline. In fact, I think most people thought Floyd would win in more convincing fashion than he actually did. Oscar was very competitive in that fight, more competitive than most experts thought he would be.
More importantly, Oscar's popularity (which is what effects purse splits) is not in decline. Oscar-Floyd broke all records, and then Oscar sold out a soccer stadium against a no-name in Forbes. And because this is being billed as Oscar's last fight, he will draw a huge audience again.
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On the other hand PAC on steady rise, belt at 130, most exciting boxer, belt at 135, no. 1 P4P best boxer, etc. So IMO seriously PAC deserves 35 to 40 percent of the purse... "
And how does this make Pacquiao any different than Floyd at the time of the Oscar fight last year? Floyd had risen thru 4 weight classes and was considered the #1 PFP fighter in the world. You label Pacquiao as the "most exciting boxer," yet that exciting style has not translated into PPV buys, because there are other factors that effect marketability besides a fighter's exciting style.
For example, a fighter like Floyd gets labeled as "boring", especially compared to someone like Pacquiao, but Floyd is still more marketable than Manny in a megafight because Floyd can do a much better job of promoting the fight to a US audience.
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Oscar is the draw, it's a fact and giving 60% or 65% to Oscar is a clear indication that he's the draw otherwise Oscar gets 50% or less...
But Oscar isn't just 60 or 65% of the draw, he's more than that. Look at the history of what Oscar has done in terms of PPV buys, and look at Pacquiao's history. Those numbers will show you that in an Oscar-Pacquiao fight, Oscar would be responsible for at least 70% of the people paying $50 to order the fight on PPV.
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SaddoBoxer
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SweetPea
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SaddoBoxer
30% is good for PBF since he was the challenger and Oscar was the champ at that time.
The belt had absolutely zero importance in that fight. That fight was about having the biggest star in the sport against the #1 PFP fighter in the world. The belt at 154 was meaningless. Most belts are meaningless. Oscar didn't get 70% against Floyd because he was a beltholder. He got 70% because he was the draw. That's why Oscar feels he deserves 70% against Pacquiao as well, because he would be the draw, not Manny.
I also considered belts meaningless but mind you, belts has some bearing in purse negotiations...
You conveniently omitted these factors. Can you give opposing thoughts on this?
"Since then Oscar is on a steady decline. Oscar got beaten by PBF and marked heavily by Forbes in a sleeper fight.
On the other hand PAC on steady rise, belt at 130, most exciting boxer, belt at 135, no. 1 P4P best boxer, etc. So IMO seriously PAC deserves 35 to 40 percent of the purse... "
Oscar is the draw, it's a fact and giving 60% or 65% to Oscar is a clear indication that he's the draw otherwise Oscar gets 50% or less...
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Honestly,thats pretty Subjective for a quoted Pac set??And where do "Factors" and "IMO" meet up?;D
Oscar owns the traveling circus.....Pac is looking for a front row seat ticket.
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SweetPea
The belt had absolutely zero importance in that fight. That fight was about having the biggest star in the sport against the #1 PFP fighter in the world. The belt at 154 was meaningless. Most belts are meaningless. Oscar didn't get 70% against Floyd because he was a beltholder. He got 70% because he was the draw. That's why Oscar feels he deserves 70% against Pacquiao as well, because he would be the draw, not Manny.
I also considered belts meaningless but mind you, belts has some bearing in purse negotiations...
You conveniently omitted these factors. Can you give opposing thoughts on this?
"Since then Oscar is on a steady decline. Oscar got beaten by PBF and marked heavily by Forbes in a sleeper fight.
On the other hand PAC on steady rise, belt at 130, most exciting boxer, belt at 135, no. 1 P4P best boxer, etc. So IMO seriously PAC deserves 35 to 40 percent of the purse... "
Oscar is the draw, it's a fact and giving 60% or 65% to Oscar is a clear indication that he's the draw otherwise Oscar gets 50% or less...
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Honestly,thats pretty Subjective for a quoted Pac set??And where do "Factors" and "IMO" meet up?;D
Oscar owns the traveling circus.....Pac is looking for a front row seat ticket.
Why subjective when it's all facts:
- Hoya got beat by PBF
- Hoya marked by Forbes in a sleeper fight
- PAC got a 130 belt
- PAC considered as one of the most exciting boxers around
- PAC got a 135 belt
- PAC considered as no.1 P4P best boxer
Hoya is on the decline while PAC still on the rise. It's all fact.
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Re: Pac vs ODLH: Pac declines offer
It should also be pointed out that last March, when Pacquiao rematched Marquez in what was viewed going in as a very evenly-matched fight, Pacquiao made 5 million, while Marquez only made 1.5 million. If my math is correct, that's a 71/29 split in favor of Pacquiao. How unfair!!!
See... it works both ways.
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Re: Pac vs ODLH: Pac declines offer
Well I guess that solves that ;D Consider the source IMO :-X Rooster.Ask yourself this....who can Pac fight at current reasonable weight and make what he would make here in so many area's as Name ,cred,etc? Forget all of the haggling and parlor tricks,DLH carries the check book as well as the name even at this late twilight stage and if Manny & camp really want this to come off,stop playing lawyer and agree to terms.Its pretty obvious who needs who in this status grab!!
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SweetPea
It should also be pointed out that last March, when Pacquiao rematched Marquez in what was viewed going in as a very evenly-matched fight, Pacquiao made 5 million, while Marquez only made 1.5 million. If my math is correct, that's a 71/29 split in favor of Pacquiao. How unfair!!!
See... it works both ways.
Marquez gave in because he knew he can't draw flies... PAC dumps Oscar's 70-30 split offer since he knows he's worth more than 30% share in an Oscar fight...
BTW, I guess your math is not correct but I don't really care coz we don't know really the actual purse split in PAC-JMM. I'm not even sure if PAC got $5M in that fight...
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SaddoBoxer
Marquez gave in because he knew he can't draw flies...
Marquez gave in because the Pacquiao rematch was the fight he really wanted, and because the 1.5 million was more than he would make in any other fight. Pacquiao is facing a similar decision.
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PAC dumps Oscar's 70-30 split offer since he knows he's worth more than 30% share in an Oscar fight...
Again, I would ask you to look at the historical drawing power of Oscar and Pacquiao (specifically their track records with PPV buys) and then explain how Manny is worth more than 30% if he fights Oscar.
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Well I guess that solves that ;D Consider the source IMO :-X Rooster.Ask yourself this....who can Pac fight at current reasonable weight and make what he would make here in so many area's as Name ,cred,etc? Forget all of the haggling and parlor tricks,DLH carries the check book as well as the name even at this late twilight stage and if Manny & camp really want this to come off,stop playing lawyer and agree to terms.Its pretty obvious who needs who in this status grab!!
PAC just want to try his luck in the Hoya sweepstakes and at the same time wanting 40% share of the purse. PAC has an ace for he knows he's the biggest money fight out there for Hoya besides PBF.
If Hoya will not give his 40% (I think 35% will do) demand then PAC will just be back to his happy ways fighting the Sotos, Valeros, Hattons, Campbells, Casamayors, Marquezes, Diazes, Katsidis, Guzmans, etc.
Remember PAC dumped Oscar before when Oscar tried to be his promoter. PAC dumped Oscar again since Oscar didn't give his fair share...
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