Simulated Pavlik Calzaghe fight. here is the result.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by kingfrnk

aww dis lil nigga mad cuz i told da truth well wat prime fighter had he fought yet um nobody kessler wasnt even fully prime with nobody impressive on his record at least kelly beat taylor twice who beat bhop 2wice and he dropped dat bitch in da first round

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Racism is not tolerated in these forums. You will not be here long.

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It's obvious he's using it as a saying. There's no racism behind it. To much sensitivity in this forum now a days

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I know he may not have meant to offend using the term the way he did. It is still considered one of the most vile terms to use no matter the intent. He would never go out and say it aloud in public to people he does not know, so why should he here? I certainly do not like the term, so I could only imagine how it would make our membership who are black feel.

I know the world is overly politically correct these days, but refraining from using that word in any way shape or form certainly does not add to that problem IMO.

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

I think this thread proves how crazy Pavliks fans are getting.

Why neg rep the guy for saying the "Calfaggy" post was a poor post and yet rep the guy slagging off Calzaghe? its only a few but man it makes me hate a guy i actually like.

And Violent you cocky twit Lacy up until 1 second before the first bell with Calzaghe was in no way over-rated and was expected to crush Calzaghe.

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On more than a few occasions the network fanboys likened Lacy to "conjuring images of Holyfield"....Over-hyped blurs into Over-rated.The man had some intensity and all out style but You could see that one coming Imo.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Maybe by you and fans with limited knowledge



I actually picked Calzaghe to embarrass Lacy. And he did. It's sad when you have to reduce yourself to lying. Poor kid. :LOLATYOU:



Agreed

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I have more boxing knowlege in my little toe-nail than you. Internet warrior who neg reps every comment he doesnt agree with. Your a class A prick and a hater you pick against fighters because you cant see beyond your hate which makes you about as stupid as they come. I see your prediction on Calkzaghe vs Pavlik about as accurate as your Calzaghe v Kessler pick.

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Show everybody my Calzaghe-Lacy prediction that you claim to have seen. It's pretty fukking said when you have to lie on internet forum.

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Hanging on that chessnut hater.

Exposed you dappy twat, biggest internet goon ive met on here. You just go around slamming comments with childish slurs thinking you king shit. Unless its a post belittling fighters you hate or throwing love at the ones you like then you agree.

See right through you.

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Granite chin huh ? You have to be kidding ?. A 43 yr old B-Hop who hasn't KO'd anyone in years put him down with a right hand. Compare the power in Hopkins right hand to Pavlik's and Joe would get KNFO. Only one outcome IMO.

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Hopkins power at 175 > Pavliks power at 168. Pavliks only fight above 160 went the distance against a guy he knocked out previously although Taylor did fight a smarter fight the second time round. The KD against Hopkins happened due to him being off balance and not expecting the punch, if i am correct he got up in 4, wasn't even hurt and WON the fight.

Fighters getting knocked down doesn't mean they don't have a granite chin. Look at Margarito.... he has one of the best chins in the sport and he has been down a few times.

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Margarito has only been down once if I'm correct early in his career. Also it's a bit insulting to call Pavlik one dimensional. He showed his boxing abilities in the second Jermain Taylor fight and we've seen plenty of times his power and him willing to trade.

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I'm sure he has been down more than that.

Taylor doesn't have good lateral movement like Calzaghe and always tires down the stretch, Calzaghe doesn't tire and his lateral movement is pretty good. Calzaghe's southpaw stance might pose a problem for Pavlik as well. Pavliks best weapon is his right hand, In the kessler fight Calzaghe adapted and took away Kessler's right hand who is a better technical boxer than Pavlik.... Once Calzaghe adapted to the right hand it would all be over for Pavlik. Styles make fights and Calzaghe's style is perfect against Pavlik.

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

I think this thread proves how crazy Pavliks fans are getting.

Why neg rep the guy for saying the "Calfaggy" post was a poor post and yet rep the guy slagging off Calzaghe? its only a few but man it makes me hate a guy i actually like.

And Violent you cocky twit Lacy up until 1 second before the first bell with Calzaghe was in no way over-rated and was expected to crush Calzaghe.

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Maybe by you and fans with limited knowledge



I actually picked Calzaghe to embarrass Lacy. And he did. It's sad when you have to reduce yourself to lying. Poor kid. :LOLATYOU:

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Originally Posted by southakron314

You cant set a legacy in stone without ever facing great primed fighters like , Wright , Jones Jr, Hopkins, and Toney. Now he is lgthvy and will never step foot in the ring with Tarver.

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Agreed

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I have more boxing knowlege in my little toe-nail than you. Internet warrior who neg reps every comment he doesnt agree with. Your a class A prick and a hater you pick against fighters because you cant see beyond your hate which makes you about as stupid as they come. I see your prediction on Calkzaghe vs Pavlik about as accurate as your Calzaghe v Kessler pick.

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If you train I hope you dont try to image Calzaghe. In a real fight that style is worthless and will get you broke. The man is a fairy. EVERYONE.....JOE CALZAGHE IS GIVING OUT FREE MUSTACHE RIDES TO THE FIRST 100 MEN IN VEGAS THIS JUNE . NO CUTTING IN LINE PHIL YOU HAVE TO WAIT WITH IN LINE MARKUSDARKUS. I trained at goodshep's for my most of my child hood and teen ages. Northeast Ohio. We know how to swat like Pavlik , Shavers , Arroyo , Mancinni and Lampkin. all from northeast ohio all great punchers.

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Maybe by you and fans with limited knowledge



I actually picked Calzaghe to embarrass Lacy. And he did. It's sad when you have to reduce yourself to lying. Poor kid. :LOLATYOU:



Agreed

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I have more boxing knowlege in my little toe-nail than you. Internet warrior who neg reps every comment he doesnt agree with. Your a class A prick and a hater you pick against fighters because you cant see beyond your hate which makes you about as stupid as they come. I see your prediction on Calkzaghe vs Pavlik about as accurate as your Calzaghe v Kessler pick.

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If you train I hope you dont try to image Calzaghe. In a real fight that style is worthless and will get you broke. The man is a fairy. EVERYONE.....JOE CALZAGHE IS GIVING OUT FREE MUSTACHE RIDES TO THE FIRST 100 MEN IN VEGAS THIS JUNE . NO CUTTING IN LINE PHIL YOU HAVE TO WAIT WITH IN LINE MARKUSDARKUS. I trained at goodshep's for my most of my child hood and teen ages. Northeast Ohio. We know how to swat like Pavlik , Shavers , Arroyo , Mancinni and Lampkin. all from northeast ohio all great punchers.

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great posting on the main page :rolleyes: seriously dude if u just want to slag off Calzaghe u know where to do it, I quite enjoyed debating with u but now I realise your just a idiot. thats all.

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Originally Posted by southakron314

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Maybe by you and fans with limited knowledge



I actually picked Calzaghe to embarrass Lacy. And he did. It's sad when you have to reduce yourself to lying. Poor kid. :LOLATYOU:



Agreed

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I have more boxing knowlege in my little toe-nail than you. Internet warrior who neg reps every comment he doesnt agree with. Your a class A prick and a hater you pick against fighters because you cant see beyond your hate which makes you about as stupid as they come. I see your prediction on Calkzaghe vs Pavlik about as accurate as your Calzaghe v Kessler pick.

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If you train I hope you dont try to image Calzaghe. In a real fight that style is worthless and will get you broke. The man is a fairy. EVERYONE.....JOE CALZAGHE IS GIVING OUT FREE MUSTACHE RIDES TO THE FIRST 100 MEN IN VEGAS THIS JUNE . NO CUTTING IN LINE PHIL YOU HAVE TO WAIT WITH IN LINE MARKUSDARKUS. I trained at goodshep's for my most of my child hood and teen ages. Northeast Ohio. We know how to swat like Pavlik , Shavers , Arroyo , Mancinni and Lampkin. all from northeast ohio all great punchers.

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Ans thats why Ohio has produced fighters that have done what Calzaghe has?

What a tool you are.

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Originally Posted by Phil

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

I have more boxing knowlege in my little toe-nail than you. Internet warrior who neg reps every comment he doesnt agree with. Your a class A prick and a hater you pick against fighters because you cant see beyond your hate which makes you about as stupid as they come. I see your prediction on Calkzaghe vs Pavlik about as accurate as your Calzaghe v Kessler pick.

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If you train I hope you dont try to image Calzaghe. In a real fight that style is worthless and will get you broke. The man is a fairy. EVERYONE.....JOE CALZAGHE IS GIVING OUT FREE MUSTACHE RIDES TO THE FIRST 100 MEN IN VEGAS THIS JUNE . NO CUTTING IN LINE PHIL YOU HAVE TO WAIT WITH IN LINE MARKUSDARKUS. I trained at goodshep's for my most of my child hood and teen ages. Northeast Ohio. We know how to swat like Pavlik , Shavers , Arroyo , Mancinni and Lampkin. all from northeast ohio all great punchers.

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great posting on the main page :rolleyes: seriously dude if u just want to slag off Calzaghe u know where to do it, I quite enjoyed debating with u but now I realise your just a idiot. thats all.

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Thanx. I really feel great about that from you. A true fan of the most sheltered champion of all time.
Calzaghe cant punch a hole in a wet paper bag.

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

I have more boxing knowlege in my little toe-nail than you. Internet warrior who neg reps every comment he doesnt agree with. Your a class A prick and a hater you pick against fighters because you cant see beyond your hate which makes you about as stupid as they come. I see your prediction on Calkzaghe vs Pavlik about as accurate as your Calzaghe v Kessler pick.

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If you train I hope you dont try to image Calzaghe. In a real fight that style is worthless and will get you broke. The man is a fairy. EVERYONE.....JOE CALZAGHE IS GIVING OUT FREE MUSTACHE RIDES TO THE FIRST 100 MEN IN VEGAS THIS JUNE . NO CUTTING IN LINE PHIL YOU HAVE TO WAIT WITH IN LINE MARKUSDARKUS. I trained at goodshep's for my most of my child hood and teen ages. Northeast Ohio. We know how to swat like Pavlik , Shavers , Arroyo , Mancinni and Lampkin. all from northeast ohio all great punchers.

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Ans thats why Ohio has produced fighters that have done what Calzaghe has?

What a tool you are.

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No Ohio fighter spent his prime as a paper champ ducking all the middle weight monsters of his early prime to mid prime era. So no Ohio fighters have not yet done that. Now in Wales it a diffrent story. He never fought a great p4p primed middleweight super middle weight in his life.

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Pavlik will get the shit slapped out of him, Calzaghe too fast too much movement and just too good.

Calzaghe made a career out of big punching plodders that dont move back.

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No just one and that was a overhyped Jeff Lacy.
Didnt Manfredo take him the distance. Wow Manfredo another one of Calzaghe
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Lacy was more feared than Pavlik before the Calzaghe fight.

You talk shit maybe i should go on about Pavlik getting dropped heavily by a Welterweight :rolleyes:

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You need to get your facts straight first off if your on about Bronco McKart that was a shot to the shoulder and that shouldn't have been counted as a knockdown......

Kelly Pavlik's other knockdown was against Fulgencio Zuniga who is now Super Middleweight and is a big puncher and that wasn't a heavy knockdown that was a flash knockdown in the 1st round which is comparable to Joe Calzaghe's knockdown against Bernard Hopkins.......

Joe Calzaghe was more heavily knocked down against Kabary Salem who isn't a big puncher.

We need to all stop talking about Pavlik vs Calzaghe. This fight will not happen! Two words: "Roy Jones"

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If you train I hope you dont try to image Calzaghe. In a real fight that style is worthless and will get you broke. The man is a fairy. EVERYONE.....JOE CALZAGHE IS GIVING OUT FREE MUSTACHE RIDES TO THE FIRST 100 MEN IN VEGAS THIS JUNE . NO CUTTING IN LINE PHIL YOU HAVE TO WAIT WITH IN LINE MARKUSDARKUS. I trained at goodshep's for my most of my child hood and teen ages. Northeast Ohio. We know how to swat like Pavlik , Shavers , Arroyo , Mancinni and Lampkin. all from northeast ohio all great punchers.

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Ans thats why Ohio has produced fighters that have done what Calzaghe has?

What a tool you are.

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No Ohio fighter spent his prime as a paper champ ducking all the middle weight monsters of his early prime to mid prime era. So no Ohio fighters have not yet done that. Now in Wales it a diffrent story. He never fought a great p4p primed middleweight super middle weight in his life.

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First it was Calzaghe never beat anyone, then after he beat Lacy, Lacy was over-rated. So Joe then beats Kessler and people say but he isnt P4P so Joe beats Hopkins now people say he wasnt prime P4P. Can you see how stupid you sound. In 2002 Hopkins openly ducked Calzaghe who else was there for Calzaghe to fight?

Jerk.

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No just one and that was a overhyped Jeff Lacy.
Didnt Manfredo take him the distance. Wow Manfredo another one of Calzaghe
worthy opponets.

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Lacy was more feared than Pavlik before the Calzaghe fight.

You talk shit maybe i should go on about Pavlik getting dropped heavily by a Welterweight :rolleyes:

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You need to get your facts straight first off if your on about Bronco McKart that was a shot to the shoulder and that shouldn't have been counted as a knockdown......

Kelly Pavlik's other knockdown was against Fulgencio Zuniga who is now Super Middleweight and is a big puncher and that wasn't a heavy knockdown that was a flash knockdown in the 1st round which is comparable to Joe Calzaghe's knockdown against Bernard Hopkins.......

Joe Calzaghe was more heavily knocked down against Kabary Salem who isn't a big puncher.

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Pavlik has been a pro 6yrs and down 3x by one bum and by a Welterweight. Calzaghe has been a pro 17yrs and be down 2 and a half time. Once by Mitchel a bomber of the highest order former world champion and Salem when Calzaghe got sloppy and was up at 1. I dont count the Hopkins knockdown as Joe was off balance and pushed Calzaghe has eaten 4x harder shots and smiled.

This Pavlik has a great chin, well i dont see it.

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No just one and that was a overhyped Jeff Lacy.
Didnt Manfredo take him the distance. Wow Manfredo another one of Calzaghe
worthy opponets.

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Lacy was more feared than Pavlik before the Calzaghe fight.

You talk shit maybe i should go on about Pavlik getting dropped heavily by a Welterweight :rolleyes:

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Pavlik and McCart. Funny .So you are saying that Bronco McKart hits harder than Edision Miranda. That was a slip dude.I seen the whole fight . All seven rounds of it. Your favorite fighter is a complete bitch inside the ring and out.His fans boo our nations anthem.If it was not for the USA you would not have a country. You would be speaking german right now. Show some class.Calzaghe hits like a 85 pound Korean gymnast. Calzaghe has made a career out of fighting crappy european fighters. Omar Shieka , that douche that does porn .....whats his name. Robin whatever. He fought one great who is quallified for social security and gets hurt and floored by him and your ready to lick his toes for it. That was the ugliest win ever. My favorite boxer does not try to anally rape a old man in the ring. He doesnt hit like a girl. And is all around tough. Not a welsh bullet dodger. Why didnt he call out Hopkins, Toney , Tarver , and Jones back in the day. He knew he would lose.

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Do your fucking home work kid... the german's didn't want to risk going over the Channel and we fucked their shit up every time they tried to fly over our country. They basically didn't think that the reward outweighed the risk and gave up even thinking of invading us once we spanked their airforce. The germans used a tactic called blitzcrieg to invade a country... sap it from the air and storm it when it was weak... they couldn't weaken us.... read up on it

Now if you're talking about France that would be a different story... and I wouldnt put it past you seeing as you managed to confuse Hatton's fans (ie football fans) with Calzaghes fans... you even managed to confuse Mayweather with Hopkins because they happened on different fights...

you also can't remember the ref stepping in because Manfredo was clearly out of his depth and STOPPING the fight... not taking calzaghe the distance like you said.

Are you on something?

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Lacy was more feared than Pavlik before the Calzaghe fight.

You talk shit maybe i should go on about Pavlik getting dropped heavily by a Welterweight :rolleyes:

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Pavlik and McCart. Funny .So you are saying that Bronco McKart hits harder than Edision Miranda. That was a slip dude.I seen the whole fight . All seven rounds of it. Your favorite fighter is a complete bitch inside the ring and out.His fans boo our nations anthem.If it was not for the USA you would not have a country. You would be speaking german right now. Show some class.Calzaghe hits like a 85 pound Korean gymnast. Calzaghe has made a career out of fighting crappy european fighters. Omar Shieka , that douche that does porn .....whats his name. Robin whatever. He fought one great who is quallified for social security and gets hurt and floored by him and your ready to lick his toes for it. That was the ugliest win ever. My favorite boxer does not try to anally rape a old man in the ring. He doesnt hit like a girl. And is all around tough. Not a welsh bullet dodger. Why didnt he call out Hopkins, Toney , Tarver , and Jones back in the day. He knew he would lose.

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Do your fucking home work kid... the german's didn't want to risk going over the Channel and we fucked their shit up every time they tried to fly over our country. They basically didn't think that the reward outweighed the risk and gave up even thinking of invading us once we spanked their airforce. The germans used a tactic called blitzcrieg to invade a country... sap it from the air and storm it when it was weak... they couldn't weaken us.... read up on it

Now if you're talking about France that would be a different story... and I wouldnt put it past you seeing as you managed to confuse Hatton's fans (ie football fans) with Calzaghes fans... you even managed to confuse Mayweather with Hopkins because they happened on different fights...

you also can't remember the ref stepping in because Manfredo was clearly out of his depth and STOPPING the fight... not taking calzaghe the distance like you said.

Are you on something?

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What about that European dude Omar Shieka you know the guy from NewYork who had just beat Glen Johnson you know NewYork Europe.

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Lacy was more feared than Pavlik before the Calzaghe fight.

You talk shit maybe i should go on about Pavlik getting dropped heavily by a Welterweight :rolleyes:

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You need to get your facts straight first off if your on about Bronco McKart that was a shot to the shoulder and that shouldn't have been counted as a knockdown......

Kelly Pavlik's other knockdown was against Fulgencio Zuniga who is now Super Middleweight and is a big puncher and that wasn't a heavy knockdown that was a flash knockdown in the 1st round which is comparable to Joe Calzaghe's knockdown against Bernard Hopkins.......

Joe Calzaghe was more heavily knocked down against Kabary Salem who isn't a big puncher.

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Pavlik has been a pro 6yrs and down 3x by one bum and by a Welterweight. Calzaghe has been a pro 17yrs and be down 2 and a half time. Once by Mitchel a bomber of the highest order former world champion and Salem when Calzaghe got sloppy and was up at 1. I dont count the Hopkins knockdown as Joe was off balance and pushed Calzaghe has eaten 4x harder shots and smiled.

This Pavlik has a great chin, well i dont see it.

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Why do you keep saying Kelly Pavlik was knocked down by a Welterweight aka Brono McKart ? you haven't even seen the fight because if you had you would know it was a punch on the shoulder it wasn't a head shot and it shouldn't have been counted as a knockdown......

Fulgencio Zuniga is not a bum he has good punching power and is tough as nails sure he is not one of the top fighters but to call him a bum is highly disrespectful and that shows your knowledge on him........

Byron Mitchell a bomber of the highest order ? are you kidding me ? Byron Mitchell is really not that much better than Fulgencio Zungia he won the title beating a shot Frankie Liles and then went life and death with Manny Siaca twice and his only other claim to fame was losing close decision to Sven Ottke but who didn't ? atleast 9 of Sven Ottke's decisions shouldn't have gone his way Charles Brewer x2, Robin Reid, Mads Larsen, Thomas Tate 1, Glen Johnson, Rudy Markussen, David Starie, need i go on.......

How can you not count Joe Calzaghe's knockdown against Bernard Hopkins but you count Kelly Pavlik's knockdown against Fulgencio Zungia ? both knockdowns are similar both fighters were caught cold in the first round and both were quickly up and both were flash knockdowns..........

And Joe Calzaghe was heavily dropped by Kabary Salem that was no flash knockdown and you could see by his face expression that he was shook up im not saying it wasn't lucky because yes he did trap Kabary Salem in the corner and Kabary Salem just swung a right hand out of desperation but still Kabary Salem is no puncher and he dropped Joe Calzaghe pretty heavily on the canvas..........

I think both men have good chins but i wouldn't say either fighter possesses a granite like chin and even if you think Kelly Pavlik hasn't got a good chin it isn't really going to come into play against Joe Calzaghe is it ? who hasn't been a banger in years i think it comes more down to how will Joe Calzaghe's chin stand up to Kelly Pavlik's bombs at his age and remember even though Joe Calzaghe has fought some good opposition he has never really fought a fighter with Kelly Pavlik's power but thats my opinion.

I have read most of this thread... And I have to say. It is pretty funny. But you guys need to chill a little. taking shots at each other like that.

It gets like that every now and then, especially when the debate is about people's favorite fighter.

ssss probably ended this debate with that post. Nice job!

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You need to get your facts straight first off if your on about Bronco McKart that was a shot to the shoulder and that shouldn't have been counted as a knockdown......

Kelly Pavlik's other knockdown was against Fulgencio Zuniga who is now Super Middleweight and is a big puncher and that wasn't a heavy knockdown that was a flash knockdown in the 1st round which is comparable to Joe Calzaghe's knockdown against Bernard Hopkins.......

Joe Calzaghe was more heavily knocked down against Kabary Salem who isn't a big puncher.

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Pavlik has been a pro 6yrs and down 3x by one bum and by a Welterweight. Calzaghe has been a pro 17yrs and be down 2 and a half time. Once by Mitchel a bomber of the highest order former world champion and Salem when Calzaghe got sloppy and was up at 1. I dont count the Hopkins knockdown as Joe was off balance and pushed Calzaghe has eaten 4x harder shots and smiled.

This Pavlik has a great chin, well i dont see it.

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Why do you keep saying Kelly Pavlik was knocked down by a Welterweight aka Brono McKart ? you haven't even seen the fight because if you had you would know it was a punch on the shoulder it wasn't a head shot and it shouldn't have been counted as a knockdown......

Fulgencio Zuniga is not a bum he has good punching power and is tough as nails sure he is not one of the top fighters but to call him a bum is highly disrespectful and that shows your knowledge on him........

Byron Mitchell a bomber of the highest order ? are you kidding me ? Byron Mitchell is really not that much better than Fulgencio Zungia he won the title beating a shot Frankie Liles and then went life and death with Manny Siaca twice and his only other claim to fame was losing close decision to Sven Ottke but who didn't ? atleast 9 of Sven Ottke's decisions shouldn't have gone his way Charles Brewer x2, Robin Reid, Mads Larsen, Thomas Tate 1, Glen Johnson, Rudy Markussen, David Starie, need i go on.......

How can you not count Joe Calzaghe's knockdown against Bernard Hopkins but you count Kelly Pavlik's knockdown against Fulgencio Zungia ? both knockdowns are similar both fighters were caught cold in the first round and both were quickly up and both were flash knockdowns..........

And Joe Calzaghe was heavily dropped by Kabary Salem that was no flash knockdown and you could see by his face expression that he was shook up im not saying it wasn't lucky because yes he did trap Kabary Salem in the corner and Kabary Salem just swung a right hand out of desperation but still Kabary Salem is no puncher and he dropped Joe Calzaghe pretty heavily on the canvas..........

I think both men have good chins but i wouldn't say either fighter possesses a granite like chin and even if you think Kelly Pavlik hasn't got a good chin it isn't really going to come into play against Joe Calzaghe is it ? who hasn't been a banger in years i think it comes more down to how will Joe Calzaghe's chin stand up to Kelly Pavlik's bombs at his age and remember even though Joe Calzaghe has fought some good opposition he has never really fought a fighter with Kelly Pavlik's power but thats my opinion.

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Im replying to someone claiming that Pavlik has this all mighty chin. Well he was knocked down by a guy who started his career at 147lbs and is about 6" shorter than Pavlik. And again Calzaghes chin will easily hold up to Pavliks shots. Pavlik is a middleweight and in his one fight at 166 hardly looked powerful. Calzaghe has been in with much bigger men who put more than a one-two together.

Time will tell what will happen and like i said i like Pavlik its when his fans say Calzaghe has no chin or Calzaghe hasnt beat anyone i argue back. Then it becomes them just name calling not being able to back anything they say up.

And as for chins Calzaghe has been down 3x in 16yrs against 168lb fighters, Pavlik has been down 3x in 6yrs against Middleweights.

Everyone and sadly this means everyone has the right to thier own opinion, what race, the state thier from, what color underwear a boxer wears has absolutly nothing to do with anything. There are certian places that produce more than others but to bring that up in a boxing disucussion always is a tactic of someone who "A" spends to much time on myspace or "B" has limited boxing knowledge to argue a point like an adult. Not pointing fingers at anyone cause i stopped reading when the discussion got away from boxing but just my opinion. How can someone be wrong about a fight that hasn't even been made and hell has a chance of not even happening. Joe could catch pavlik in the first 30 seconds of the first round for all we know and Ko him cold, nothing is impossible....unlikely but not impossible everyone has a right to thier own belief no matter how wrong they may seem. Wanna prove em wrong bet money, sig, anything but calling names and net bangin only proves....well you know. Now here's my opnion back to the topic of boxing, i see it as a mosquito against a bear, the mosquito could stay outside irritatingly stinging for 12 rounds and win but if the bear catches him, it could be good night real quick. I'd pick pavlik by KO myself but who knows.....i did smoke a morning bowl earlier.

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Everyone and sadly this means everyone has the right to thier own opinion, what race, the state thier from, what color underwear a boxer wears has absolutly nothing to do with anything. There are certian places that produce more than others but to bring that up in a boxing disucussion always is a tactic of someone who "A" spends to much time on myspace or "B" has limited boxing knowledge to argue a point like an adult. Not pointing fingers at anyone cause i stopped reading when the discussion got away from boxing but just my opinion. How can someone be wrong about a fight that hasn't even been made and hell has a chance of not even happening. Joe could catch pavlik in the first 30 seconds of the first round for all we know and Ko him cold, nothing is impossible....unlikely but not impossible everyone has a right to thier own belief no matter how wrong they may seem. Wanna prove em wrong bet money, sig, anything but calling names and net bangin only proves....well you know. Now here's my opnion back to the topic of boxing, i see it as a mosquito against a bear, the mosquito could stay outside irritatingly stinging for 12 rounds and win but if the bear catches him, it could be good night real quick. I'd pick pavlik by KO myself but who knows.....i did smoke a morning bowl earlier.

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Another good post...

...The last line was the best part though..

Anyone claiming Pavlik beats Calzaghe in the chin department is having a laugh. ;D

Forget the fact that Calzaghe has fought by far the stronger competition, and forget the flash knockdowns both have suffered, name ONE time Calzaghe has been turned into a DRUNK staggering all over the ring not knowing how to use his legs?

Taylor was close to stopping Pavlik.

In fact, some refs would have jumped in to SAVE him from a further bashing.

Calzaghe hasn't EVER been close to getting stopped. Fact.

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Anyone claiming Pavlik beats Calzaghe in the chin department is having a laugh. ;D

Forget the fact that Calzaghe has fought by far the stronger competition, and forget the flash knockdowns both have suffered, name ONE time Calzaghe has been turned into a DRUNK staggering all over the ring not knowing how to use his legs?

Taylor was close to stopping Pavlik.

In fact, some refs would have jumped in to SAVE him from a further bashing.

Calzaghe hasn't EVER been close to getting stopped. Fact.

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If Calzaghe took that many shots he would have been out allot earlier.

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Lacy was more feared than Pavlik before the Calzaghe fight.

You talk shit maybe i should go on about Pavlik getting dropped heavily by a Welterweight :rolleyes:

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Pavlik and McCart. Funny .So you are saying that Bronco McKart hits harder than Edision Miranda. That was a slip dude.I seen the whole fight . All seven rounds of it. Your favorite fighter is a complete bitch inside the ring and out.His fans boo our nations anthem.If it was not for the USA you would not have a country. You would be speaking german right now. Show some class.Calzaghe hits like a 85 pound Korean gymnast. Calzaghe has made a career out of fighting crappy european fighters. Omar Shieka , that douche that does porn .....whats his name. Robin whatever. He fought one great who is quallified for social security and gets hurt and floored by him and your ready to lick his toes for it. That was the ugliest win ever. My favorite boxer does not try to anally rape a old man in the ring. He doesnt hit like a girl. And is all around tough. Not a welsh bullet dodger. Why didnt he call out Hopkins, Toney , Tarver , and Jones back in the day. He knew he would lose.

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Do your fucking home work kid... the german's didn't want to risk going over the Channel and we fucked their shit up every time they tried to fly over our country. They basically didn't think that the reward outweighed the risk and gave up even thinking of invading us once we spanked their airforce. The germans used a tactic called blitzcrieg to invade a country... sap it from the air and storm it when it was weak... they couldn't weaken us.... read up on it

Now if you're talking about France that would be a different story... and I wouldnt put it past you seeing as you managed to confuse Hatton's fans (ie football fans) with Calzaghes fans... you even managed to confuse Mayweather with Hopkins because they happened on different fights...

you also can't remember the ref stepping in because Manfredo was clearly out of his depth and STOPPING the fight... not taking calzaghe the distance like you said.

Are you on something?

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Reason being axis forces were so over helmed in Europe with U.S forces that is what allowed british forces to but them up. You needed us. Dont deny it. buzz bombs and bomb raids. We won this war as a team. With out each other it would have been terrible for Europe.

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Ans thats why Ohio has produced fighters that have done what Calzaghe has?

What a tool you are.

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No Ohio fighter spent his prime as a paper champ ducking all the middle weight monsters of his early prime to mid prime era. So no Ohio fighters have not yet done that. Now in Wales it a diffrent story. He never fought a great p4p primed middleweight super middle weight in his life.

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First it was Calzaghe never beat anyone, then after he beat Lacy, Lacy was over-rated. So Joe then beats Kessler and people say but he isnt P4P so Joe beats Hopkins now people say he wasnt prime P4P. Can you see how stupid you sound. In 2002 Hopkins openly ducked Calzaghe who else was there for Calzaghe to fight?

Jerk.

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First off team Calaughy wanted close to a 40/60 and all they deserve was a 20/80 or a 10/90. He never fought Jones Jr in the 1990's neither Toney , Wright , or Hopkins. I cant respect that and never will.

I just love the rantings of delusional fanboys, don't you?

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Pavlik and McCart. Funny .So you are saying that Bronco McKart hits harder than Edision Miranda. That was a slip dude.I seen the whole fight . All seven rounds of it. Your favorite fighter is a complete bitch inside the ring and out.His fans boo our nations anthem.If it was not for the USA you would not have a country. You would be speaking german right now. Show some class.Calzaghe hits like a 85 pound Korean gymnast. Calzaghe has made a career out of fighting crappy european fighters. Omar Shieka , that douche that does porn .....whats his name. Robin whatever. He fought one great who is quallified for social security and gets hurt and floored by him and your ready to lick his toes for it. That was the ugliest win ever. My favorite boxer does not try to anally rape a old man in the ring. He doesnt hit like a girl. And is all around tough. Not a welsh bullet dodger. Why didnt he call out Hopkins, Toney , Tarver , and Jones back in the day. He knew he would lose.

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Do your fucking home work kid... the german's didn't want to risk going over the Channel and we fucked their shit up every time they tried to fly over our country. They basically didn't think that the reward outweighed the risk and gave up even thinking of invading us once we spanked their airforce. The germans used a tactic called blitzcrieg to invade a country... sap it from the air and storm it when it was weak... they couldn't weaken us.... read up on it

Now if you're talking about France that would be a different story... and I wouldnt put it past you seeing as you managed to confuse Hatton's fans (ie football fans) with Calzaghes fans... you even managed to confuse Mayweather with Hopkins because they happened on different fights...

you also can't remember the ref stepping in because Manfredo was clearly out of his depth and STOPPING the fight... not taking calzaghe the distance like you said.

Are you on something?

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Reason being axis forces were so over helmed in Europe with U.S forces that is what allowed british forces to but them up. You needed us. Dont deny it. buzz bombs and bomb raids. We won this war as a team. With out each other it would have been terrible for Europe.

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I hope I'm misunderstanding you, but are you saying the reason the Germans didn't invade England is because they were fighting Americans in continental Europe (or anywhere else for that matter)? American supplies, money, and equipment played a much bigger role in WW2 than did American combat forces, not to take anything away from the American contribution (which was vital) or from those Americans who fought.

Pavlik has a good set of whiskers, not great whiskers. Joe has a good set of whiskers, not great though.

Does Pavlik have enough power to knock out Joe? I would say yes. Pavlik has left behind him a number of guys who were never down in there career until they got in the ring with him. If he landed enough on Joe, Joe would probably go also.

The question is, can Pavlik land bombs on Joe with enough consistancy where Joe would fall? I say no. Joe has great stamina and Pavlik usually pounces on guys who cannot maintain his pace. Pavlik is not a one punch puncher, he beats guys up bad enough so they cannot take it anymore. This is why he can knock out guys that other big punchers cannot.

Against Joe, Pavlik will be in the ring with someone who can match his pace and not get cornered as much. Pavlik has enough offense and Power though that he can outpoint Joe, simply by staying busy and not slowing down. Joe will not rush in on him much, as Pavlik can land accurate sneaky punches much better than anyone will ever give him credit for. He will have to be careful though and find his range as he has looked out of sync in the only other fight I have seen him in against a southpaw.

His lack of opposition against Southpaws, could very well cost him.

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Pavlik has a good set of whiskers, not great whiskers. Joe has a good set of whiskers, not great though.

Does Pavlik have enough power to knock out Joe? I would say yes. Pavlik has left behind him a number of guys who were never down in there career until they got in the ring with him. If he landed enough on Joe, Joe would probably go also.

The question is, can Pavlik land bombs on Joe with enough consistancy where Joe would fall? I say no. Joe has great stamina and Pavlik usually pounces on guys who cannot maintain his pace. Pavlik is not a one punch puncher, he beats guys up bad enough so they cannot take it anymore. This is why he can knock out guys that other big punchers cannot.

Against Joe, Pavlik will be in the ring with someone who can match his pace and not get cornered as much. Pavlik has enough offense and Power though that he can outpoint Joe, simply by staying busy and not slowing down. Joe will not rush in on him much, as Pavlik can land accurate sneaky punches much better than anyone will ever give him credit for. He will have to be careful though and find his range as he has looked out of sync in the only other fight I have seen him in against a southpaw.

His lack of opposition against Southpaws, could very well cost him.

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Good post. For me, Calzaghe - Pavlik would be a pick 'em fight. I'd lean towards Pavlik because Calzaghe is getting on in years, but it's by no means a sure thing.

Hey, cool thread. Lotsa shit-talking, neg. repping, chest puffing. haaa

I need to visit boxing talk more often, missing gems like this.

Carry on... :thumb:




p.s. Pavlik ftw. :dance:

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Pavlik and McCart. Funny .So you are saying that Bronco McKart hits harder than Edision Miranda. That was a slip dude.I seen the whole fight . All seven rounds of it. Your favorite fighter is a complete bitch inside the ring and out.His fans boo our nations anthem.If it was not for the USA you would not have a country. You would be speaking german right now. Show some class.Calzaghe hits like a 85 pound Korean gymnast. Calzaghe has made a career out of fighting crappy european fighters. Omar Shieka , that douche that does porn .....whats his name. Robin whatever. He fought one great who is quallified for social security and gets hurt and floored by him and your ready to lick his toes for it. That was the ugliest win ever. My favorite boxer does not try to anally rape a old man in the ring. He doesnt hit like a girl. And is all around tough. Not a welsh bullet dodger. Why didnt he call out Hopkins, Toney , Tarver , and Jones back in the day. He knew he would lose.

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Do your fucking home work kid... the german's didn't want to risk going over the Channel and we fucked their shit up every time they tried to fly over our country. They basically didn't think that the reward outweighed the risk and gave up even thinking of invading us once we spanked their airforce. The germans used a tactic called blitzcrieg to invade a country... sap it from the air and storm it when it was weak... they couldn't weaken us.... read up on it

Now if you're talking about France that would be a different story... and I wouldnt put it past you seeing as you managed to confuse Hatton's fans (ie football fans) with Calzaghes fans... you even managed to confuse Mayweather with Hopkins because they happened on different fights...

you also can't remember the ref stepping in because Manfredo was clearly out of his depth and STOPPING the fight... not taking calzaghe the distance like you said.

Are you on something?

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Reason being axis forces were so over helmed in Europe with U.S forces that is what allowed british forces to but them up. You needed us. Dont deny it. buzz bombs and bomb raids. We won this war as a team. With out each other it would have been terrible for Europe.

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LOL.

Again southakron cant debate he just throws out neg rep and "fuck off Euro trash"

Why is he here someone get rid of this idiot.

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Again southakron cant debate he just throws out neg rep and "fuck off Euro trash"

Why is he here someone get rid of this idiot.

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Well you incite people also. Calling fighters BUMS as well as other names. You and I had our own falling out in the past. He is not the only one guilty of it. People can be passionate over their favorite boxers, so insulting another one will almost always lead to a fight.

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Again southakron cant debate he just throws out neg rep and "fuck off Euro trash"

Why is he here someone get rid of this idiot.

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Well you incite people also. Calling fighters BUMS as well as other names. You and I had our own falling out in the past. He is not the only one guilty of it. People can be passionate over their favorite boxers, so insulting another one will almost always lead to a fight.

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Calzaghe has fought bums Jones has fought bums.

Do you agree?

Now when a fighter gets knocked down by a bum how should i phrase it?

Listen i would never call an elite fighter a bum or a can and i have never slagged Pavlik off i put what i think on the table wanting a good debate it hypes fights makes them more enjoyable. Then you get this tool and that Demise just neg repping and slagging off every comment they dont agree with.

Argue, state your case dont just throw out aimless hate.

If i posted "Calzaghe is crap feather fisted bum basher" id get 10,00k good rep but if i put "I think Calzaghe will whoop Pavlik" you get a ton of neg rep.

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Again southakron cant debate he just throws out neg rep and "fuck off Euro trash"

Why is he here someone get rid of this idiot.

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Well you incite people also. Calling fighters BUMS as well as other names. You and I had our own falling out in the past. He is not the only one guilty of it. People can be passionate over their favorite boxers, so insulting another one will almost always lead to a fight.

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You should know by now that reason and rationality have no place in this thread.

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Anyone claiming Pavlik beats Calzaghe in the chin department is having a laugh. ;D

Forget the fact that Calzaghe has fought by far the stronger competition, and forget the flash knockdowns both have suffered, name ONE time Calzaghe has been turned into a DRUNK staggering all over the ring not knowing how to use his legs?

Taylor was close to stopping Pavlik.

In fact, some refs would have jumped in to SAVE him from a further bashing.

Calzaghe hasn't EVER been close to getting stopped. Fact.

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If Calzaghe took that many shots he would have been out allot earlier.

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Calzaghe has NEVER been in a situation of being battered, dominated and bashed all over the ring.

Calzaghe may have felt the initial blow BUT would have most definitely slipped the rest.

That's what makes him a far SUPERIOR pugilist to the likes of Pavlik. ;)

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Again southakron cant debate he just throws out neg rep and "fuck off Euro trash"

Why is he here someone get rid of this idiot.

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Well you incite people also. Calling fighters BUMS as well as other names. You and I had our own falling out in the past. He is not the only one guilty of it. People can be passionate over their favorite boxers, so insulting another one will almost always lead to a fight.

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Calzaghe has fought bums Jones has fought bums.

Do you agree?

Now when a fighter gets knocked down by a bum how should i phrase it?

Listen i would never call an elite fighter a bum or a can and i have never slagged Pavlik off i put what i think on the table wanting a good debate it hypes fights makes them more enjoyable. Then you get this tool and that Demise just neg repping and slagging off every comment they dont agree with.

Argue, state your case dont just throw out aimless hate.

If i posted "Calzaghe is crap feather fisted bum basher" id get 10,00k good rep but if i put "I think Calzaghe will whoop Pavlik" you get a ton of neg rep.

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I don't call any fighter a bum. I will say that they have all faced some weak opposition.

Would you call Gary Lockett a bum? I mean he went farther in his career than most fighters dream of. Was he strong opposition for Pavlik? No he wasn't. The guy is no bum though. It is a very bad term to use.

Yes Cal gets called Calslappy and Pavlik gets called Slow and One Dimensional. That is normal boxing fan behavior. Calling either a bum though is simply wrong IMO and insulting to not only the fighters, but the fans and the sport.

Between Pavlik and Calzaghe's list of opponents, I honestly don't see much of a difference.

Both men fought somewhat easy opposition up until just recently. Calzaghe's resume didn't start looking solid until he fought Lacy while Pavlik's started looking good once he fought Zertuche.

The difference to me is that Calzaghe's been around a lot longer. Joe had chances to fight much better fighters in the 90's even early 2000s but he didn't. I know there may have been a case of Calzaghe wasn't a big name yet so why would Hopkins and Jones fight him. Still, he could've started something but it didn't happen. He's now fighting these guys after their time in the spotlight which is hard to give him full credit for.

Pavlik on the other hand is still 25, 26 years old and he's already trying to fight the best out there. He's not wasting any time and is accomodating his opponent's desired weight just to make the fight and not ducking anyone. This is why he's grabbing a lot of people's respect.

It would a great fight between the two of them. ABSOLUTELY a pick 'em! As someone said before, Pavlik has the tools to stop and hurt Joe but will Joe let him?

PLUS! Like I said before, Roy Jones isn't exactly a tune-up and Calzaghe WILL have his hands full.

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Well you incite people also. Calling fighters BUMS as well as other names. You and I had our own falling out in the past. He is not the only one guilty of it. People can be passionate over their favorite boxers, so insulting another one will almost always lead to a fight.

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Calzaghe has fought bums Jones has fought bums.

Do you agree?

Now when a fighter gets knocked down by a bum how should i phrase it?

Listen i would never call an elite fighter a bum or a can and i have never slagged Pavlik off i put what i think on the table wanting a good debate it hypes fights makes them more enjoyable. Then you get this tool and that Demise just neg repping and slagging off every comment they dont agree with.

Argue, state your case dont just throw out aimless hate.

If i posted "Calzaghe is crap feather fisted bum basher" id get 10,00k good rep but if i put "I think Calzaghe will whoop Pavlik" you get a ton of neg rep.

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I don't call any fighter a bum. I will say that they have all faced some weak opposition.

Would you call Gary Lockett a bum? I mean he went farther in his career than most fighters dream of. Was he strong opposition for Pavlik? No he wasn't. The guy is no bum though. It is a very bad term to use.

Yes Cal gets called Calslappy and Pavlik gets called Slow and One Dimensional. That is normal boxing fan behavior. Calling either a bum though is simply wrong IMO and insulting to not only the fighters, but the fans and the sport.

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The term bum has been around 4eva fighters, pundits and fans use it.

Lockett is a good journeyman. And i never called Pavlik a bum.

Calzaghe gets called Calslappy, Calfaggy you name it yet a word said against Pavlik draws a huge response. Not all but some of his fans are real tools.

You get that with power punchers through "fringe" fans who all of a sudden stand up and follow the guy. Lacy and Miranda also had.. shall we say a "cult" following same with Pavlik people ignore the flaws as he has power and all of a sudden any fighter within 2 weight classes no matter how great are bums and would get knocked out.

I actually wrote an article on power punchers and their fans and the response was that regular fight fans in turn hated the fighter through the actions of his fans. But it turned out to be a good thing as the banter made the hype and viewing figures soar.

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Between Pavlik and Calzaghe's list of opponents, I honestly don't see much of a difference.

Both men fought somewhat easy opposition up until just recently. Calzaghe's resume didn't start looking solid until he fought Lacy while Pavlik's started looking good once he fought Zertuche.

The difference to me is that Calzaghe's been around a lot longer. Joe had chances to fight much better fighters in the 90's even early 2000s but he didn't. I know there may have been a case of Calzaghe wasn't a big name yet so why would Hopkins and Jones fight him. Still, he could've started something but it didn't happen. He's now fighting these guys after their time in the spotlight which is hard to give him full credit for.

Pavlik on the other hand is still 25, 26 years old and he's already trying to fight the best out there. He's not wasting any time and is accomodating his opponent's desired weight just to make the fight and not ducking anyone. This is why he's grabbing a lot of people's respect.

It would a great fight between the two of them. ABSOLUTELY a pick 'em! As someone said before, Pavlik has the tools to stop and hurt Joe but will Joe let him?

PLUS! Like I said before, Roy Jones isn't exactly a tune-up and Calzaghe WILL have his hands full.

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Im sorry you dont see much difference in Calzaghe and Pavliks opposition?

I find that baffling to say the least....

List common (in kind) opponents.