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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
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SaddoBoxer
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SaddoBoxer
I think Vic is itching to get back on the only boxer who KO'ed him cold. The problem here is Vic's promoter that is against the rematch fight.
You can't say Nonito has done nothing. Maldonado, Mthalane and the upcoming fight against Raul "The Cobra" Martinez are all dangerous fights. We can even add that Donaire defeats Maldonado more impressively than what Darchi did to Maldonado.
More impressively? They both won by KO in round 8! Bear in mind Maldonado was in the prime of his career when he fought Vic. He'd just come off a draw with Mijares, his best ever performance. By the time he fought Nonito Luis was damaged goods because Vic gave him a beat down.
Mthalane dangerous? The guys best win was shot beyond shot Hussy Hussein. The guy barely deserved a title shot.
And he hasnt fought Martinez yet so how can that count in what he has done sense?
Look Nonito beat Vic, we've established that but the fact is Vic has done a tonne more than Nonito since then. U cannot deny that and if u try your deluded.
I've got nothing against Donaire as a fighter, he is good. He seriously needs to stop believing his own hype and make meaningful fights. If Vic wont fight him move up and fight other top guys, chase him up to 118. Actually show some loyalty to the promoter that gave him his shot. U may say Shaw is acting like a baby but fact is if it wasnt for Gary Nonito wouldnt have got the Vic fight and
may still be wasting his time fighting bums in the phillipines.
You don't know what you're talking about... Nonito Donaire moved to the USA when he was still 8 years old... He's a US amateur boxer and almost represented USA in the Olympics... His 1st pro fight was held in the USA... I think he only fought 2 times in the Philippines out of his total 21 fights... All of his fights were in the USA... I think Donaire fought more fights in the USA than Darchinyan...
It's clear you don't know very much about Nonito Donaire... ;D
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Nonito has never fought bums in the phillipines? Of course he has. Where is his major fanbase? The USA? No its the Phillipines! So if he'd never got his big break with Shaw where would he be most likely be fighting? Exactly where his next fight is. The PHILLIPINES!!!
U proved nothing their. You think i know little about fighters yet u clearly know nothing about any fighters but Pac and other Philipinos. Bet u felt good cos your cluless Flip mates patted u on the back.
Point is my whole argument is that Vic is higher uo the boxing ladder now and Nonito has done Jack since the Vic fight. That is true.
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
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antimoron
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But still Donaire is a known fighter.. darchi is bigger draw and bigger name but that doesn't mean he is better than donaire. You are a boxing fan right? The boxing press and us fans want first is for a fighter to cement his legacy isnt it? Businessman fighters is not bad but choosing money before great fights is like ducking someone. How much did Darchi earn from the Arce fight? Im sure if he fights donaire now he will earn more than that. Coz its what fans want and im sure you do too.
Are u an idiot? Arce has the biggest fanbase of any fighter under 122 by a country mile, and Vic is probably second. All Jorges fights are big events.
Donaire struggles to get his fights telecast let alone make big money. No way Vic makes more fighting Donaire than fighting Arce.
How is fighting Monteil or one of the great fighters at 122 choosing money before a great fight? The other point is that Vic is looking to fight at 118 even 122 whilst Donaire is staying at 112, so unless Donaire moves up how is the fight gonna be made?
Yeah it'd be nice if Vic fought Nonito again but he is not ducking him and scared if he fights someone like Monteil who is bigger and arguably better than Donaire anyway. Nonito needs to stop living off that one win. Its his fault he isnt getting the big fights because he thought he could call the shots and look what happened.
IDIOT who? chill bro.. nobody says arce is less or no fanbase.. idiot.. im just trying to prove that donaire is not a NO NAME FIGHTER... you label him no name and making excuse for darchi in not fighting him.. thats all what im only trying to say.. Ask Gary Shaw the promoter why he doesn't want Donaire for Darchi... idiot.. everybody knows why.. Thats ducking in highest form because everybody is asking if he wants rematch and avenge his loss but you hear nothing..
So he ducks nonito yet calls out Israel Vasquez, Rafa Marquez, Fernando Monteil. Nonito is not well known to the casual fan. U said Nonito would make Vic more money than Arce. U said that, it is wrong, dead wrong.
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
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eagle
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More impressively? They both won by KO in round 8! Bear in mind Maldonado was in the prime of his career when he fought Vic. He'd just come off a draw with Mijares, his best ever performance. By the time he fought Nonito Luis was damaged goods because Vic gave him a beat down.
Mthalane dangerous? The guys best win was shot beyond shot Hussy Hussein. The guy barely deserved a title shot.
And he hasnt fought Martinez yet so how can that count in what he has done sense?
Look Nonito beat Vic, we've established that but the fact is Vic has done a tonne more than Nonito since then. U cannot deny that and if u try your deluded.
I've got nothing against Donaire as a fighter, he is good. He seriously needs to stop believing his own hype and make meaningful fights. If Vic wont fight him move up and fight other top guys, chase him up to 118. Actually show some loyalty to the promoter that gave him his shot. U may say Shaw is acting like a baby but fact is if it wasnt for Gary Nonito wouldnt have got the Vic fight and may still be wasting his time fighting bums in the phillipines.
You don't know what you're talking about... Nonito Donaire moved to the USA when he was still 8 years old... He's a US amateur boxer and almost represented USA in the Olympics... His 1st pro fight was held in the USA... I think he only fought 2 times in the Philippines out of his total 21 fights... All of his fights were in the USA... I think Donaire fought more fights in the USA than Darchinyan...
It's clear you don't know very much about Nonito Donaire... ;D
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Nonito has never fought bums in the phillipines? Of course he has. Where is his major fanbase? The USA? No its the Phillipines! So if he'd never got his big break with Shaw where would he be most likely be fighting? Exactly where his next fight is. The PHILLIPINES!!!
U proved nothing their. You think i know little about fighters yet u clearly know nothing about any fighters but Pac and other Philipinos. Bet u felt good cos your cluless Flip mates patted u on the back.
Point is my whole argument is that Vic is higher uo the boxing ladder now and Nonito has done Jack since the Vic fight. That is true.
Im not sure..but I think he did signed for a Montiel fight. Don't know what happened but I heard Montiel dropped the belt and is fighting Morel next. You said Martinez aint bum. And you should drop this venue argument because I'm sure Saddoboxer would own your a*ss in this one. Top Rank said Donaire's next fight is a 'homecoming fight' and I just checked BoxRec it's true he has only fought twice outside the US. It even says his hometown is California. and Im pretty sure that boxing is very big in the Phillipines and that his next fight would do more money wise. Remember he's promoted by Top Rank now. when he fought Darchinyan in Connecticut there were like 300 people in the casino. Yes a casino. Against Vic Darchinyan.
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
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You don't know what you're talking about... Nonito Donaire moved to the USA when he was still 8 years old... He's a US amateur boxer and almost represented USA in the Olympics... His 1st pro fight was held in the USA... I think he only fought 2 times in the Philippines out of his total 21 fights... All of his fights were in the USA... I think Donaire fought more fights in the USA than Darchinyan...
It's clear you don't know very much about Nonito Donaire... ;D
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Nonito has never fought bums in the phillipines? Of course he has. Where is his major fanbase? The USA? No its the Phillipines! So if he'd never got his big break with Shaw where would he be most likely be fighting? Exactly where his next fight is. The PHILLIPINES!!!
U proved nothing their. You think i know little about fighters yet u clearly know nothing about any fighters but Pac and other Philipinos. Bet u felt good cos your cluless Flip mates patted u on the back.
Point is my whole argument is that Vic is higher uo the boxing ladder now and Nonito has done Jack since the Vic fight. That is true.
Im not sure..but I think he did signed for a Montiel fight. Don't know what happened but I heard Montiel dropped the belt and is fighting Morel next. You said Martinez aint bum. And you should drop this venue argument because I'm sure Saddoboxer would own your a*ss in this one. Top Rank said Donaire's next fight is a 'homecoming fight' and I just checked BoxRec it's true he has only fought twice outside the US. It even says his hometown is California. and Im pretty sure that boxing is very big in the Phillipines and that his next fight would do more money wise. Remember he's promoted by Top Rank now. when he fought Darchinyan in Connecticut there were like 300 people in the casino. Yes a casino. Against Vic Darchinyan.
Saddoboxer isnt owning anyone. The arguments he comes out with are blatant fanboy cfrap tne majority of the time.
My points are all correct. I'll write them down for u.
1. Donaire beat Vic fair and square but since that fight Vic has done a lot more than Nonito.
2. Nonito Donaire is not well known to the casual boxing fan and not a big draw. Particularly comapred to the likes of Arce and the top guys at 122.
3. Shaw gave Donaire his big break, which he took, yet after that fight Donaire thought his star was brighter than it was and his over the top demands have meant he hasnt got the big fights since.
4. It is unreasonable to say Vic is scared and ducking Donaire if he is fighting other top guys, and looking to fight the likes of Monteil, Vasquez and Marquez. Especially considering there may now be a 2 division gap between Nonito and Vic, 112-118.
5. I repeat i think Nonito is a great talent and beat Vic fair and square, and would have a good chance of doing so again. Im not a Vic fanboy, or a donaire hater i just see it as it is. I also think Nonito's out of ring behaviour needs improving or otherwise he may be a wasted talent. If he doesnt get and win the big fights soon his only big win may be forgotten.
I think that is a fair assessment.
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
Vic Darchinyan will always be known as "Donaire's B1tch" if the rematch doesn't happen.
:chick07mj8: <-- Darchinyan
Nuff said!
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
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More impressively? They both won by KO in round 8! Bear in mind Maldonado was in the prime of his career when he fought Vic. He'd just come off a draw with Mijares, his best ever performance. By the time he fought Nonito Luis was damaged goods because Vic gave him a beat down.
Mthalane dangerous? The guys best win was shot beyond shot Hussy Hussein. The guy barely deserved a title shot.
And he hasnt fought Martinez yet so how can that count in what he has done sense?
Look Nonito beat Vic, we've established that but the fact is Vic has done a tonne more than Nonito since then. U cannot deny that and if u try your deluded.
I've got nothing against Donaire as a fighter, he is good. He seriously needs to stop believing his own hype and make meaningful fights. If Vic wont fight him move up and fight other top guys, chase him up to 118. Actually show some loyalty to the promoter that gave him his shot. U may say Shaw is acting like a baby but fact is if it wasnt for Gary Nonito wouldnt have got the Vic fight and may still be wasting his time fighting bums in the phillipines.
You don't know what you're talking about... Nonito Donaire moved to the USA when he was still 8 years old... He's a US amateur boxer and almost represented USA in the Olympics... His 1st pro fight was held in the USA... I think he only fought 2 times in the Philippines out of his total 21 fights... All of his fights were in the USA... I think Donaire fought more fights in the USA than Darchinyan...
It's clear you don't know very much about Nonito Donaire... ;D
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Nonito has never fought bums in the phillipines? Of course he has. Where is his major fanbase? The USA? No its the Phillipines! So if he'd never got his big break with Shaw where would he be most likely be fighting? Exactly where his next fight is. The PHILLIPINES!!!
U proved nothing their. You think i know little about fighters yet u clearly know nothing about any fighters but Pac and other Philipinos. Bet u felt good cos your cluless Flip mates patted u on the back.
Point is my whole argument is that Vic is higher uo the boxing ladder now and Nonito has done Jack since the Vic fight. That is true.
Of course Donaire fought in the Philippines 2 times but it does not necessarily agree to your statement that he's wasting his time fighting bums in the Philippines because all of his 21 fights were in the USA except for these 2 fights. Now you belittle his next fight in the Philippines on March 22. Donaire will be fighting a decent opponent in Raul "The Cobra" Martinez. It's a big card, just look at the undercard, an IBF light flyweight title fight between champ Ulises Solis vs. Brian Viloria. To compare, when was the last time a Darchinyan main event has an undercard title fight?
So don't say Nonito Donaire is a no name because Donaire made a name by letting Darchinyan kiss the canvass. Try to ask boxing fans these questions:
- Who knockout Vic Darchinyan?
- Who won the 2007 KO of the year?
- Who's Vic Darchinyan's daddy? ;)
And don't drop that "you only know PAC and other Filipino boxers" line. Look at the threads here, look at who's talking about Caballero and McEwan. These boxers are not Filipinos.
Lastly don't be too proud of Darchinyan calling out the little big guys... Darchi even called out Manny Pacquiao. :o Isn't it that Darchi is overacting?? That Darchi is insane calling out Pacquiao?? ;D
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
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Shaw shouldn't stand in the way of a rematch. But I do see where he's coming from. He pretty much made Donaire. Got him the big fight against Darchinyan. And convinced Show Time to televise his fight with Luis Maldonado when it wasn't going to. Only to watch Donaire convince himself he's a superstar and thinking he was owed everything. Donaire demands were the reason Donaire sat on the sidelines as much his he did. Shaw did his best to try and accommodate Donaire and his outrageous demands. Only to watch him stab him in the back and jump ship. Disloyaity at it's lowest.
I remember. Donaire-Maldonado wasn't going to be shown. They were only going to show Tarver's fight and I think Wright's fight. But Shaw convinced ST to make it a triple header. Donaire attitude did seem to change after the Vic fight. And not for the better. I can see why Shaw is upset. But he should not stand in the way of a rematch with Vic.
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
What a lot of Donaire supporters are forgetting is that before Darchinyan starched Mijares all the talk was about a potential Mijares/ Montiel fight, now that Vic has laid waste to Mijares all that attention has shifted to a Darchinyan/ Montiel fight which has the potential to be a great fight!!!
I want to see a Donaire rematch but its not concievable that its is as big or as attractive or as important as a Darchinyan/ Montiel fight is at this time!
A fight between Darchinyan/ Montielk will crown a Ring Jr Bantam champion. Its a fight between the #1 & #2 fighters in the division & between the 2 they have pretty much cleaned up the division, so a fight between the 2 is a no brainer to be next!
Now if Donaire can even get past Martinez (lets face it: he looked like sh*t against Mithalane) then maybe we can talk about a rematch. But by that time Darchinyan may have moved on to more lucrative bout with the likes of Vasquez or Marquez.
Those that think Darchinyan is ducking Donaire are seriously deluding themselves as I think Vic has proved he will fight anyone! Just because he is deciding to take on higher profile, just as difficult if not moreso than Donaire only means he is trying to increase his star potential & earning potential!
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
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What a lot of Donaire supporters are forgetting is that before Darchinyan starched Mijares all the talk was about a potential Mijares/ Montiel fight, now that Vic has laid waste to Mijares all that attention has shifted to a Darchinyan/ Montiel fight which has the potential to be a great fight!!!
I want to see a Donaire rematch but its not concievable that its is as big or as attractive or as important as a Darchinyan/ Montiel fight is at this time!
A fight between Darchinyan/ Montielk will crown a Ring Jr Bantam champion. Its a fight between the #1 & #2 fighters in the division & between the 2 they have pretty much cleaned up the division, so a fight between the 2 is a no brainer to be next!
Now if Donaire can even get past Martinez (lets face it: he looked like sh*t against Mithalane) then maybe we can talk about a rematch. But by that time Darchinyan may have moved on to more lucrative bout with the likes of Vasquez or Marquez.
Those that think Darchinyan is ducking Donaire are seriously deluding themselves as I think Vic has proved he will fight anyone! Just because he is deciding to take on higher profile, just as difficult if not moreso than Donaire only means he is trying to increase his star potential & earning potential!
I can't forget that Darchi mauled Mijares for I predicted it correctly that Darchi will defeat Mijares... One of the very few who predicted a Darchi win... ;)
Darchi vs. Montiel will be a good fight but Montiel is already moving to bantamweight and will be fighting for the interim WBO bantamweight title against Eric Morel. A temporary vacancy was created when bantamweight champ Gerry "FEARLESS" Peñalosa is scheduled to challenge WBO super bantam champ JuanMa Lopez.
As for Mthalane, I consider him a very good boxer... Even Darchinyan might have problems breaking down his tight guards and evading his power counters.
Darchi is still very far from a Vazquez or Rafa fight. I think he will still have at least one fight at bantamweight before landing in those fights.
We didn't say that Darchinyan is ducking Donaire... It's Gary Shaw who is avoiding to make a Donaire-Darchinyan rematch fight and since Shaw is part of Team Darchinyan then I think it's correct to say, Team Darchinyan is ducking Nonito Donaire... ;)
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
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What a lot of Donaire supporters are forgetting is that before Darchinyan starched Mijares all the talk was about a potential Mijares/ Montiel fight, now that Vic has laid waste to Mijares all that attention has shifted to a Darchinyan/ Montiel fight which has the potential to be a great fight!!!
I want to see a Donaire rematch but its not concievable that its is as big or as attractive or as important as a Darchinyan/ Montiel fight is at this time!
A fight between Darchinyan/ Montielk will crown a Ring Jr Bantam champion. Its a fight between the #1 & #2 fighters in the division & between the 2 they have pretty much cleaned up the division, so a fight between the 2 is a no brainer to be next!
Now if Donaire can even get past Martinez (lets face it: he looked like sh*t against Mithalane) then maybe we can talk about a rematch. But by that time Darchinyan may have moved on to more lucrative bout with the likes of Vasquez or Marquez.
Those that think Darchinyan is ducking Donaire are seriously deluding themselves as I think Vic has proved he will fight anyone! Just because he is deciding to take on higher profile, just as difficult if not moreso than Donaire only means he is trying to increase his star potential & earning potential!
I can't forget that Darchi mauled Mijares for I predicted it correctly that Darchi will defeat Mijares... One of the very few who predicted a Darchi win... ;)
Darchi vs. Montiel will be a good fight but Montiel is already moving to bantamweight and will be fighting for the interim WBO bantamweight title against Eric Morel. A temporary vacancy was created when bantamweight champ Gerry "FEARLESS" Peñalosa is scheduled to challenge WBO super bantam champ JuanMa Lopez.
As for Mthalane, I consider him a very good boxer... Even Darchinyan might have problems breaking down his tight guards and evading his power counters.
Darchi is still very far from a Vazquez or Rafa fight. I think he will still have at least one fight at bantamweight before landing in those fights.
We didn't say that Darchinyan is ducking Donaire... It's Gary Shaw who is avoiding to make a Donaire-Darchinyan rematch fight and since Shaw is part of Team Darchinyan then I think it's correct to say, Team Darchinyan is ducking Nonito Donaire... ;)
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It doesn't look like Montiel is fighting Morel now anyway, plus he has been 118 before (when he fought Gonzalez) & moved back down so I see now reason he wouldn't do the same again for a mega fight with Darchinyan.
I think Donaire supporters should worry about the upcoming Martinez bout as there is a good chance imo that he get beaten.
As for Mithalane I don't think he's that good, maybe it was the layoff that effected Donaire or his personal issues at the time.
You have to think about it logically, I can see where Shaw is coming from & if it was me I'd be upset too & wouldn't want someone who had betrayed me to make money from me & I think you'd be the same!!!
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
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What a lot of Donaire supporters are forgetting is that before Darchinyan starched Mijares all the talk was about a potential Mijares/ Montiel fight, now that Vic has laid waste to Mijares all that attention has shifted to a Darchinyan/ Montiel fight which has the potential to be a great fight!!!
I want to see a Donaire rematch but its not concievable that its is as big or as attractive or as important as a Darchinyan/ Montiel fight is at this time!
A fight between Darchinyan/ Montielk will crown a Ring Jr Bantam champion. Its a fight between the #1 & #2 fighters in the division & between the 2 they have pretty much cleaned up the division, so a fight between the 2 is a no brainer to be next!
Now if Donaire can even get past Martinez (lets face it: he looked like sh*t against Mithalane) then maybe we can talk about a rematch. But by that time Darchinyan may have moved on to more lucrative bout with the likes of Vasquez or Marquez.
Those that think Darchinyan is ducking Donaire are seriously deluding themselves as I think Vic has proved he will fight anyone! Just because he is deciding to take on higher profile, just as difficult if not moreso than Donaire only means he is trying to increase his star potential & earning potential!
I can't forget that Darchi mauled Mijares for I predicted it correctly that Darchi will defeat Mijares... One of the very few who predicted a Darchi win... ;)
Darchi vs. Montiel will be a good fight but Montiel is already moving to bantamweight and will be fighting for the interim WBO bantamweight title against Eric Morel. A temporary vacancy was created when bantamweight champ Gerry "FEARLESS" Peñalosa is scheduled to challenge WBO super bantam champ JuanMa Lopez.
As for Mthalane, I consider him a very good boxer... Even Darchinyan might have problems breaking down his tight guards and evading his power counters.
Darchi is still very far from a Vazquez or Rafa fight. I think he will still have at least one fight at bantamweight before landing in those fights.
We didn't say that Darchinyan is ducking Donaire... It's Gary Shaw who is avoiding to make a Donaire-Darchinyan rematch fight and since Shaw is part of Team Darchinyan then I think it's correct to say, Team Darchinyan is ducking Nonito Donaire... ;)
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It doesn't look like Montiel is fighting Morel now anyway, plus he has been 118 before (when he fought Gonzalez) & moved back down so I see now reason he wouldn't do the same again for a mega fight with Darchinyan.
I think Donaire supporters should worry about the upcoming Martinez bout as there is a good chance imo that he get beaten.
As for Mithalane I don't think he's that good, maybe it was the layoff that effected Donaire or his personal issues at the time.
You have to think about it logically, I can see where Shaw is coming from & if it was me I'd be upset too & wouldn't want someone who had betrayed me to make money from me & I think you'd be the same!!!
Why not Shaw look it at the other side of the coin?? Why not let Darchinyan maul Donaire in the rematch and punish that "disloyal/traitor" boxer?? At the same time, Shaw will receive praises from fans eager to watch this rematch fight...
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
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I can't forget that Darchi mauled Mijares for I predicted it correctly that Darchi will defeat Mijares... One of the very few who predicted a Darchi win... ;)
Darchi vs. Montiel will be a good fight but Montiel is already moving to bantamweight and will be fighting for the interim WBO bantamweight title against Eric Morel. A temporary vacancy was created when bantamweight champ Gerry "FEARLESS" Peñalosa is scheduled to challenge WBO super bantam champ JuanMa Lopez.
As for Mthalane, I consider him a very good boxer... Even Darchinyan might have problems breaking down his tight guards and evading his power counters.
Darchi is still very far from a Vazquez or Rafa fight. I think he will still have at least one fight at bantamweight before landing in those fights.
We didn't say that Darchinyan is ducking Donaire... It's Gary Shaw who is avoiding to make a Donaire-Darchinyan rematch fight and since Shaw is part of Team Darchinyan then I think it's correct to say, Team Darchinyan is ducking Nonito Donaire... ;)
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It doesn't look like Montiel is fighting Morel now anyway, plus he has been 118 before (when he fought Gonzalez) & moved back down so I see now reason he wouldn't do the same again for a mega fight with Darchinyan.
I think Donaire supporters should worry about the upcoming Martinez bout as there is a good chance imo that he get beaten.
As for Mithalane I don't think he's that good, maybe it was the layoff that effected Donaire or his personal issues at the time.
You have to think about it logically, I can see where Shaw is coming from & if it was me I'd be upset too & wouldn't want someone who had betrayed me to make money from me & I think you'd be the same!!!
Why not Shaw look it at the other side of the coin?? Why not let Darchinyan maul Donaire in the rematch and punish that "disloyal/traitor" boxer?? At the same time, Shaw will receive praises from fans eager to watch this rematch fight...
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yeah thats what im thinking.. people defend darchi for not fighting donaire for the simple reason that shaw doesn't like donaire disloyalty.. If darchi is confident enough that he can beat donaires ass then he can tell that to Shaw..
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It doesn't look like Montiel is fighting Morel now anyway, plus he has been 118 before (when he fought Gonzalez) & moved back down so I see now reason he wouldn't do the same again for a mega fight with Darchinyan.
I think Donaire supporters should worry about the upcoming Martinez bout as there is a good chance imo that he get beaten.
As for Mithalane I don't think he's that good, maybe it was the layoff that effected Donaire or his personal issues at the time.
You have to think about it logically, I can see where Shaw is coming from & if it was me I'd be upset too & wouldn't want someone who had betrayed me to make money from me & I think you'd be the same!!!
Why not Shaw look it at the other side of the coin?? Why not let Darchinyan maul Donaire in the rematch and punish that "disloyal/traitor" boxer?? At the same time, Shaw will receive praises from fans eager to watch this rematch fight...
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yeah thats what im thinking.. people defend darchi for not fighting donaire for the simple reason that shaw doesn't like donaire disloyalty.. If darchi is confident enough that he can beat donaires ass then he can tell that to Shaw..
Yeah I agree, but you have to see where Shaw is coming from. If it was me I wouldn't want you making money from me after you betrayed me... its just common sense isn't it?
Like myself & Eagle have stated on this thread we both feel Darchinyan would be victorious in a rematch & would love to see it happen. But Shaw has taken Darchinyan back to the top & I suppose Darchinyan is happy with the way things have gone & I assume he is showing some loyalty to Shaw by standing by his side in his decision as I would in someone who had done good by me.
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Why not Shaw look it at the other side of the coin?? Why not let Darchinyan maul Donaire in the rematch and punish that "disloyal/traitor" boxer?? At the same time, Shaw will receive praises from fans eager to watch this rematch fight...
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yeah thats what im thinking.. people defend darchi for not fighting donaire for the simple reason that shaw doesn't like donaire disloyalty.. If darchi is confident enough that he can beat donaires ass then he can tell that to Shaw..
Yeah I agree, but you have to see where Shaw is coming from.
If it was me I wouldn't want you making money from me after you betrayed me... its just common sense isn't it?
Like myself & Eagle have stated on this thread we both feel Darchinyan would be victorious in a rematch & would love to see it happen. But Shaw has taken Darchinyan back to the top & I suppose Darchinyan is happy with the way things have gone & I assume he is showing some loyalty to Shaw by standing by his side in his decision as I would in someone who had done good by me.
That is what KILLING my favorite sport of boxing... its like Don King hates Bob Arum but hey they still work if it makes sense.. dont you think Darchi vs Donaire makes sense?
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
Some times patience is needed. Darchinyan-Donaire 2 will happen provided both keep winning. To me that's the biggest obstacle. If Darchinyan is to face Montiel next, than losing is highly likely. Donaire needs to concentrate on the task at hand. Like the homie Galaxy said, Martinez is no walk over. He's very capable of beating Donaire. If this fight was taking place in Vegas or some other venue than it's current one I would go with Martinez to win. Good thing for Donaire it's taking place in the Philippines. I don't care how much Martinez dominates Donaire. If he doesn't stop him, he doesn't win.
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
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Why not Shaw look it at the other side of the coin?? Why not let Darchinyan maul Donaire in the rematch and punish that "disloyal/traitor" boxer?? At the same time, Shaw will receive praises from fans eager to watch this rematch fight...
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yeah thats what im thinking.. people defend darchi for not fighting donaire for the simple reason that shaw doesn't like donaire disloyalty.. If darchi is confident enough that he can beat donaires ass then he can tell that to Shaw..
Yeah I agree, but you have to see where Shaw is coming from. If it was me I wouldn't want you making money from me after you betrayed me... its just common sense isn't it?
Like myself & Eagle have stated on this thread we both feel Darchinyan would be victorious in a rematch & would love to see it happen. But Shaw has taken Darchinyan back to the top & I suppose Darchinyan is happy with the way things have gone & I assume he is showing some loyalty to Shaw by standing by his side in his decision as I would in someone who had done good by me.
What Shaw is doing involves boxing politics... We hate boxing politics interfering with the fight we, fans wanted to happen... Boxing politics is not good to our sport...
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Some times patience is needed. Darchinyan-Donaire 2 will happen provided both keep winning. To me that's the biggest obstacle. If Darchinyan is to face Montiel next, than losing is highly likely. Donaire needs to concentrate on the task at hand. Like the homie Galaxy said, Martinez is no walk over. He's very capable of beating Donaire. If this fight was taking place in Vegas or some other venue than it's current one I would go with Martinez to win. Good thing for Donaire it's taking place in the Philippines. I don't care how much Martinez dominates Donaire. If he doesn't stop him, he doesn't win.
I'm fully aware that Bro Galaxy and you VD is taking Martinez very seriously but there are some guys like Eagle who belittles this Donaire vs. Martinez fight... I dunno why...
Yep, Donaire vs. Darchinyan might happen eventually if they keep on winning...
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SaddoBoxer
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Some times patience is needed. Darchinyan-Donaire 2 will happen provided both keep winning. To me that's the biggest obstacle. If Darchinyan is to face Montiel next, than losing is highly likely. Donaire needs to concentrate on the task at hand. Like the homie Galaxy said, Martinez is no walk over. He's very capable of beating Donaire. If this fight was taking place in Vegas or some other venue than it's current one I would go with Martinez to win. Good thing for Donaire it's taking place in the Philippines. I don't care how much Martinez dominates Donaire. If he doesn't stop him, he doesn't win.
I'm fully aware that Bro Galaxy and you VD is taking Martinez very seriously but there are some guys like Eagle who belittles this Donaire vs. Martinez fight... I dunno why...
Yep, Donaire vs. Darchinyan might happen eventually if they keep on winning...
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Eagle's a good poster. I'm sure it's more to do with the fact that maybe he hasn't seen enough of Martinez to really speak on him.
He's right in the fact that it's not a high profile fight. But it's a good fight
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yeah thats what im thinking.. people defend darchi for not fighting donaire for the simple reason that shaw doesn't like donaire disloyalty.. If darchi is confident enough that he can beat donaires ass then he can tell that to Shaw..
Yeah I agree, but you have to see where Shaw is coming from.
If it was me I wouldn't want you making money from me after you betrayed me... its just common sense isn't it?
Like myself & Eagle have stated on this thread we both feel Darchinyan would be victorious in a rematch & would love to see it happen. But Shaw has taken Darchinyan back to the top & I suppose Darchinyan is happy with the way things have gone & I assume he is showing some loyalty to Shaw by standing by his side in his decision as I would in someone who had done good by me.
That is what KILLING my favorite sport of boxing... its like Don King hates Bob Arum but hey they still work if it makes sense.. dont you think Darchi vs Donaire makes sense?
No I don't think Darchinyan/ Donaire 2 makes sense... at this time! Darchinyan/ Montiel is the better & bigger fight to make!!!
As VD has stated... if they keep winning then sure it will hopefully come to fruitition but Donaire 1st has to make it past Martinez & hopefully Darchinyan & Montiel can get together.
At the moment theres no reason to see Donaire ahead of Montiel because Donaire has done nothing at 115, whereas Darchinyan & Montiel have basically cleaned out the division between them so their fight makes the most sense, plus it will crown a true Ring champion at the weight! After that fight I would definitely be interested in seeing the rematch before Vic starts looking to higher weights...
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antimoron
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antimoron
yeah thats what im thinking.. people defend darchi for not fighting donaire for the simple reason that shaw doesn't like donaire disloyalty.. If darchi is confident enough that he can beat donaires ass then he can tell that to Shaw..
Yeah I agree, but you have to see where Shaw is coming from.
If it was me I wouldn't want you making money from me after you betrayed me... its just common sense isn't it?
Like myself & Eagle have stated on this thread we both feel Darchinyan would be victorious in a rematch & would love to see it happen. But Shaw has taken Darchinyan back to the top & I suppose Darchinyan is happy with the way things have gone & I assume he is showing some loyalty to Shaw by standing by his side in his decision as I would in someone who had done good by me.
That is what KILLING my favorite sport of boxing... its like Don King hates Bob Arum but hey they still work if it makes sense.. dont you think Darchi vs Donaire makes sense?
Disloyalty from ungrateful fighters ain't exactly helping the sport either.
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
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Galaxy
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antimoron
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Galaxy
Yeah I agree, but you have to see where Shaw is coming from. If it was me I wouldn't want you making money from me after you betrayed me... its just common sense isn't it?
Like myself & Eagle have stated on this thread we both feel Darchinyan would be victorious in a rematch & would love to see it happen. But Shaw has taken Darchinyan back to the top & I suppose Darchinyan is happy with the way things have gone & I assume he is showing some loyalty to Shaw by standing by his side in his decision as I would in someone who had done good by me.
That is what KILLING my favorite sport of boxing... its like Don King hates Bob Arum but hey they still work if it makes sense.. dont you think Darchi vs Donaire makes sense?
No I don't think Darchinyan/ Donaire 2 makes sense... at this time! Darchinyan/ Montiel is the better & bigger fight to make!!!
As VD has stated... if they keep winning then sure it will hopefully come to fruitition but Donaire 1st has to make it past Martinez & hopefully Darchinyan & Montiel can get together.
At the moment theres no reason to see Donaire ahead of Montiel because Donaire has done nothing at 115, whereas Darchinyan & Montiel have basically cleaned out the division between them so their fight makes the most sense, plus it will crown a true Ring champion at the weight! After that fight I would definitely be interested in seeing the rematch before Vic starts looking to higher weights...
Since the time Donaire KO'ed Darchinyan cold, a Donaire-Darchinyan rematch fight always makes sense... There could be other sensible fights for each of them but their rematch always makes sense at any time... unless Donaire will say it doesn't make sense since the outcome will be the same, he will KO Darchinyan again...
We didn't claim Donaire is ahead of Darchinyan... Darchinyan made good progress beating named boxers after he got KO'ed cold by Donaire while Donaire was relatively inactive mainly due to managerial and promotional problems...
And you can't say Donaire has done nothing at 115 for he was the NABF super flyweight champ before he moved down to 112 to face Darchinyan...
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
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Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
antimoron
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Originally Posted by
Galaxy
Yeah I agree, but you have to see where Shaw is coming from. If it was me I wouldn't want you making money from me after you betrayed me... its just common sense isn't it?
Like myself & Eagle have stated on this thread we both feel Darchinyan would be victorious in a rematch & would love to see it happen. But Shaw has taken Darchinyan back to the top & I suppose Darchinyan is happy with the way things have gone & I assume he is showing some loyalty to Shaw by standing by his side in his decision as I would in someone who had done good by me.
That is what KILLING my favorite sport of boxing... its like Don King hates Bob Arum but hey they still work if it makes sense.. dont you think Darchi vs Donaire makes sense?
Disloyalty from ungrateful fighters ain't exactly helping the sport either.
i know VD but theres a reason why he did what he did. Same goes to guys like Guerrero or Ortiz jump ship from different promoter.. They need more exposure that they deserve.. Bottomline is Shaw did shitty things before. He can't focus on boxing due to his involvement with elitexc events at the same time when donaire and kirkland are trying to land big fights. We need to weigh both sides. Shaw got problems with other fighters before like winky and lacy.. the same problem that both kirkland and donaire is facing with Gary. I can't take away the only good thing that Shaw did to donaire by bringing him a title shot at darchi. but after that its nothing..
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SaddoBoxer
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Some times patience is needed. Darchinyan-Donaire 2 will happen provided both keep winning. To me that's the biggest obstacle. If Darchinyan is to face Montiel next, than losing is highly likely. Donaire needs to concentrate on the task at hand. Like the homie Galaxy said, Martinez is no walk over. He's very capable of beating Donaire. If this fight was taking place in Vegas or some other venue than it's current one I would go with Martinez to win. Good thing for Donaire it's taking place in the Philippines. I don't care how much Martinez dominates Donaire. If he doesn't stop him, he doesn't win.
I'm fully aware that Bro Galaxy and you VD is taking Martinez very seriously but there are some guys like Eagle who belittles this Donaire vs. Martinez fight... I dunno why...
Yep, Donaire vs. Darchinyan might happen eventually if they keep on winning...
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Please show me the one post where i belittled the Martinez fight. I never have done that. your a liar.
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
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antimoron
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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antimoron
That is what KILLING my favorite sport of boxing... its like Don King hates Bob Arum but hey they still work if it makes sense.. dont you think Darchi vs Donaire makes sense?
Disloyalty from ungrateful fighters ain't exactly helping the sport either.
i know VD but theres a reason why he did what he did. Same goes to guys like Guerrero or Ortiz jump ship from different promoter.. They need more exposure that they deserve.. Bottomline is Shaw did shitty things before. He can't focus on boxing due to his involvement with elitexc events at the same time when donaire and kirkland are trying to land big fights. We need to weigh both sides. Shaw got problems with other fighters before like winky and lacy.. the same problem that both kirkland and donaire is facing with Gary. I can't take away the only good thing that Shaw did to donaire by bringing him a title shot at darchi. but after that its nothing..
Fighters always have somebody in the ear. Sometimes somebodies. People telling them how great they are. And how they deserve this and that. And how there not getting what there worth. Filling a fighters head with nonsense. It's when the fighter starts to pay attention that things start to sour. Donaire started to pay attention right away. Donaire convinced himself he was a Super Star and started making moronic demands. He forgot what was done for him.
Shaw gave Donaire his title shot when had less than 20 career fights. A main event fight on ShowTime. 4 months later Donaire is back on ShowTime defending his title for the first time against Luis Maldonado. His fight was no suppose to be telivised. But Shaw convinced ShowTime to show it. I don't know about you. But back to back title fights on ShowTime in 4 months is pretty fukking good expourse. Shaw had big plans for Donaire. But nothing came about. Donaire insane demands killed everything. No fights were being made. Donaire blamed Shaw. What Donaire failed to realize was that eventhough he beat Darchinyan he was still unknown to everybody but Boxing junkies.
Now Donaire has left Shaw. Has his expourse gotten better? You tell me. His next fight is in the Philippines against a good opponent for chump change. To my knowledge that fight is not set to be telivised anywhere. Under Shaw Donaire-Martinez would be on ShowTime or HBO. And Donaire would be making a lot more money. To me Donaire has "flash in the pan" written all over him.
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
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Violent Demise
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antimoron
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Violent Demise
Disloyalty from ungrateful fighters ain't exactly helping the sport either.
i know VD but theres a reason why he did what he did. Same goes to guys like Guerrero or Ortiz jump ship from different promoter.. They need more exposure that they deserve.. Bottomline is Shaw did shitty things before. He can't focus on boxing due to his involvement with elitexc events at the same time when donaire and kirkland are trying to land big fights. We need to weigh both sides. Shaw got problems with other fighters before like winky and lacy.. the same problem that both kirkland and donaire is facing with Gary. I can't take away the only good thing that Shaw did to donaire by bringing him a title shot at darchi. but after that its nothing..
Under Shaw Donaire-Martinez would be on ShowTime or HBO. And Donaire would be making a lot more money. To me Donaire has
"flash in the pan" written all over him.
I don't think so... Donaire showed great boxing skills... He's tall and has the frame to go up even to the featherweight division... And his English is excellent which is an important criteria in the American market... Donaire is still young and definitely his time to completely shine will soon come in the near future...
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
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eagle
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Some times patience is needed. Darchinyan-Donaire 2 will happen provided both keep winning. To me that's the biggest obstacle. If Darchinyan is to face Montiel next, than losing is highly likely. Donaire needs to concentrate on the task at hand. Like the homie Galaxy said, Martinez is no walk over. He's very capable of beating Donaire. If this fight was taking place in Vegas or some other venue than it's current one I would go with Martinez to win. Good thing for Donaire it's taking place in the Philippines. I don't care how much Martinez dominates Donaire. If he doesn't stop him, he doesn't win.
I'm fully aware that Bro Galaxy and you VD is taking Martinez very seriously but there are some guys like Eagle who belittles this Donaire vs. Martinez fight... I dunno why...
Yep, Donaire vs. Darchinyan might happen eventually if they keep on winning...
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Please show me the one post where i belittled the Martinez fight. I never have done that. your a liar.
Here's your post:
"Nonito has never fought bums in the phillipines? Of course he has. Where is his major fanbase? The USA? No its the Phillipines! So if he'd never got his big break with Shaw where would he be most likely be fighting? Exactly where his next fight is. The PHILLIPINES!!!"
So what's with Donaire fighting Martinez in the Philippines?? Isn't it you belittles Donaire's fight with Martinez in the Philippines??
Since you're into namecalling (you called me a liar?? ;D ), I would like also to educate you on spelling and social studies. Philippines is spelled with double "p", and not double "l"'s... And it's Filipinos, not Philipinos... ;D
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
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SaddoBoxer
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Originally Posted by
eagle
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SaddoBoxer
I'm fully aware that Bro Galaxy and you VD is taking Martinez very seriously but there are some guys like Eagle who belittles this Donaire vs. Martinez fight... I dunno why...
Yep, Donaire vs. Darchinyan might happen eventually if they keep on winning...
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Please show me the one post where i belittled the Martinez fight. I never have done that. your a liar.
Here's your post:
"Nonito has never fought bums in the phillipines? Of course he has. Where is his major fanbase? The USA? No its the Phillipines! So if he'd never got his big break with Shaw where would he be most likely be fighting? Exactly where his next fight is. The PHILLIPINES!!!"
So what's with Donaire fighting Martinez in the Philippines?? Isn't it you belittles Donaire's fight with Martinez in the Philippines??
Since you're into namecalling (you called me a liar?? ;D ), I would like also to educate you on spelling and social studies. Philippines is spelled with double "p", and not double "l"'s... And it's Filipinos, not Philipinos... ;D
Wrong again. That in no way belittles the fight it just says where it is. God u will never ever admit fault.
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eagle
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
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Originally Posted by
eagle
Please show me the one post where i belittled the Martinez fight. I never have done that. your a liar.
Here's your post:
"Nonito has never fought bums in the phillipines? Of course he has. Where is his major fanbase? The USA? No its the Phillipines! So if he'd never got his big break with Shaw where would he be most likely be fighting? Exactly where his next fight is. The PHILLIPINES!!!"
So what's with Donaire fighting Martinez in the Philippines?? Isn't it you belittles Donaire's fight with Martinez in the Philippines??
Since you're into namecalling (you called me a liar?? ;D ), I would like also to educate you on spelling and social studies. Philippines is spelled with double "p", and not double "l"'s... And it's Filipinos, not Philipinos... ;D
Wrong again. That in no way belittles the fight it just says where it is. God u will never ever admit fault.
So you are just referring to the place, the Philippines?? So why did you issue the statement below:
"(Donaire) may still be wasting his time fighting bums in the phillipines."
Are you suggesting fights in the Philippines are against bums?? ;D
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
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Originally Posted by
eagle
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
Here's your post:
"Nonito has never fought bums in the phillipines? Of course he has. Where is his major fanbase? The USA? No its the Phillipines! So if he'd never got his big break with Shaw where would he be most likely be fighting? Exactly where his next fight is. The PHILLIPINES!!!"
So what's with Donaire fighting Martinez in the Philippines?? Isn't it you belittles Donaire's fight with Martinez in the Philippines??
Since you're into namecalling (you called me a liar?? ;D ), I would like also to educate you on spelling and social studies. Philippines is spelled with double "p", and not double "l"'s... And it's Filipinos, not Philipinos... ;D
Wrong again. That in no way belittles the fight it just says where it is. God u will never ever admit fault.
So you are just referring to the place, the Philippines?? So why did you issue the statement below:
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(Donaire) may still be wasting his time fighting bums in the phillipines."
Are you suggesting fights in the Philippines are against bums?? ;D
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How is saying if it wasnt for Shaw Donaire may still be fighting bums in the phillipines got anything to do with me belittlling his fight with Martinez?
If it were not for Shaw giving Nonito the exposure he may well be fighting a much lesser opponent than Martinez cos good fighters like him wouldnt bother travelling to fight him.
Nonito and Martinez are both good quality fighters, it is a good fight no doubt. Point is other than in the Phillipines the Donaire Martinez fight is a non event. Maybe if Donaire had not thought himself to be better than what he was and left Shaw he might be making much more and the fight may be on Showtime.
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
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eagle
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
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Originally Posted by
eagle
Wrong again. That in no way belittles the fight it just says where it is. God u will never ever admit fault.
So you are just referring to the place, the Philippines?? So why did you issue the statement below:
"
(Donaire) may still be wasting his time fighting bums in the phillipines."
Are you suggesting fights in the Philippines are against bums?? ;D
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How is saying if it wasnt for Shaw Donaire may still be fighting bums in the phillipines got anything to do with me belittlling his fight with Martinez?
If it were not for Shaw giving Nonito the exposure he may well be fighting a much lesser opponent than Martinez cos good fighters like him wouldnt bother travelling to fight him.
Nonito and Martinez are both good quality fighters, it is a good fight no doubt. Point is other than in the Phillipines the Donaire Martinez fight is a non event. Maybe if Donaire had not thought himself to be better than what he was and left Shaw he might be making much more and the fight may be on Showtime.
There you go, you belittle this Donaire-Martinez fight in the Philippines. Look at the undercard, it's a world title fight between Solis and Viloria. Can you name one Darchinyan main event where there's a world title fight undercard? None, not even in Armenia or Australia...
I think this Donaire vs. Martinez card will also be a big event in California or in Martinez hometurf in San Antonio, Texas. These are important world title fights that cannot be considered as non event. This fight is not big as Darchi-Arce but I think it's also an important world title fight since both boxers are really good.
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
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Originally Posted by
eagle
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
So you are just referring to the place, the Philippines?? So why did you issue the statement below:
"(Donaire) may still be wasting his time fighting bums in the phillipines."
Are you suggesting fights in the Philippines are against bums?? ;D
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How is saying if it wasnt for Shaw Donaire may still be fighting bums in the phillipines got anything to do with me belittlling his fight with Martinez?
If it were not for Shaw giving Nonito the exposure he may well be fighting a much lesser opponent than Martinez cos good fighters like him wouldnt bother travelling to fight him.
Nonito and Martinez are both good quality fighters, it is a good fight no doubt. Point is other than in the Phillipines the Donaire Martinez fight is a non event. Maybe if Donaire had not thought himself to be better than what he was and left Shaw he might be making much more and the fight may be on Showtime.
There you go, you belittle this Donaire-Martinez fight in the Philippines. Look at the undercard, it's a world title fight between Solis and Viloria. Can you name one Darchinyan main event where there's a world title fight undercard? None, not even in Armenia or Australia...
I think this Donaire vs. Martinez card will also be a big event in California or in Martinez hometurf in San Antonio, Texas. These are important world title fights that cannot be considered as non event.
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It is a non event compared to Vic v Arce, or Vic v Monteil.
Or say Donaire v Arce, or Donaire v Monteil.
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
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eagle
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
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Originally Posted by
eagle
How is saying if it wasnt for Shaw Donaire may still be fighting bums in the phillipines got anything to do with me belittlling his fight with Martinez?
If it were not for Shaw giving Nonito the exposure he may well be fighting a much lesser opponent than Martinez cos good fighters like him wouldnt bother travelling to fight him.
Nonito and Martinez are both good quality fighters, it is a good fight no doubt. Point is other than in the Phillipines the Donaire Martinez fight is a non event. Maybe if Donaire had not thought himself to be better than what he was and left Shaw he might be making much more and the fight may be on Showtime.
There you go, you belittle this Donaire-Martinez fight in the Philippines. Look at the undercard, it's a world title fight between Solis and Viloria. Can you name one Darchinyan main event where there's a world title fight undercard? None, not even in Armenia or Australia...
I think this Donaire vs. Martinez card will also be a big event in California or in Martinez hometurf in San Antonio, Texas. These are important world title fights that cannot be considered as non event.
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It is a non event compared to Vic v Arce, or Vic v Monteil.
Yes it pales in comparison to Vic vs. Arce (is Vic vs. Montiel already signed?? ;D ) but still it's an important fight for Filipinos, Californians and Texans... ;)
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
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Originally Posted by
eagle
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Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
So you are just referring to the place, the Philippines?? So why did you issue the statement below:
"(Donaire) may still be wasting his time fighting bums in the phillipines."
Are you suggesting fights in the Philippines are against bums?? ;D
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How is saying if it wasnt for Shaw Donaire may still be fighting bums in the phillipines got anything to do with me belittlling his fight with Martinez?
If it were not for Shaw giving Nonito the exposure he may well be fighting a much lesser opponent than Martinez cos good fighters like him wouldnt bother travelling to fight him.
Nonito and Martinez are both good quality fighters, it is a good fight no doubt. Point is other than in the Phillipines the Donaire Martinez fight is a non event. Maybe if Donaire had not thought himself to be better than what he was and left Shaw he might be making much more and the fight may be on Showtime.
There you go, you belittle this Donaire-Martinez fight in the Philippines. Look at the undercard, it's a world title fight between Solis and Viloria. Can you name one Darchinyan main event where there's a world title fight undercard? None, not even in Armenia or Australia...
I think this Donaire vs. Martinez card will also be a big event in California or in Martinez hometurf in San Antonio, Texas. These are important world title fights that cannot be considered as non event. This fight is not big as Darchi-Arce but I think it's also an important world title fight since both boxers are really good.
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It's a good card. No doubt. Solis-Viloria really has my interest. But it not being shown on HBO or Show Time is the problem. He left Shaw cuz he said he needed more exposure. Is this what he had in mind? What they going to do? Put in on PPV (big mistake)?
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
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SaddoBoxer
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Originally Posted by
Galaxy
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Originally Posted by
antimoron
That is what KILLING my favorite sport of boxing... its like Don King hates Bob Arum but hey they still work if it makes sense.. dont you think Darchi vs Donaire makes sense?
No I don't think Darchinyan/ Donaire 2 makes sense... at this time! Darchinyan/ Montiel is the better & bigger fight to make!!!
As VD has stated... if they keep winning then sure it will hopefully come to fruitition but Donaire 1st has to make it past Martinez & hopefully Darchinyan & Montiel can get together.
At the moment theres no reason to see Donaire ahead of Montiel because Donaire has done nothing at 115, whereas Darchinyan & Montiel have basically cleaned out the division between them so their fight makes the most sense, plus it will crown a true Ring champion at the weight! After that fight I would definitely be interested in seeing the rematch before Vic starts looking to higher weights...
Since the time Donaire KO'ed Darchinyan cold, a Donaire-Darchinyan rematch fight always makes sense... There could be other sensible fights for each of them but their rematch always makes sense at any time... unless Donaire will say it doesn't make sense since the outcome will be the same, he will KO Darchinyan again...
We didn't claim Donaire is ahead of Darchinyan... Darchinyan made good progress beating named boxers after he got KO'ed cold by Donaire while Donaire was relatively inactive mainly due to managerial and promotional problems...
And you can't say Donaire has done nothing at 115 for he was the NABF super flyweight champ before he moved down to 112 to face Darchinyan...
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You need to understand that if there is a bigger & better fight available then the rematch has to be put on the back burner. I don't want to see Darchinyan/ Donaire 2 right now, I would prefer to see Darchinyan/ Montiel because imo it is the better fight between the 2 best fighters in the division with the real championship on the line. So no imo the rematch does not make sense at this time! It would be nice to see but there are just some fights throughout history where I would have liked to have seen a rematch but it never happened for one reason or another. This may or may not be one of them, we'll have to wait & see. But to me the more important fight (Darchinyan/ Donaire) need to be made before a rematch... that makes sense to me!
Plus if you think Donaire has achieved anywhere near what Darchinyan & Montiel have at 115 then I seriously would have to question your boxing knowledge! Capaturing the ABCD what ever the hell don't mean sh*t against the achievments of Montiel & Darchinyan who together have basically cleaned it out & the only obvious fight at 115 to be made is Darchinyan/ Montiel. I'm sorry but a Donaire rematch at this time is like compairing platinum to tin compared to Darchinyan/ Montiel!!!
I second what VD said about Donaire potentially being a flash in the pan. There is a huge risk that Martinez is gonna hand him his ass & then it may be an uphill battle for exposure from there!
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
Yea they should go ahead and let Vic and Montiel fight eachother. Whoever wins gets knocked the fucked out by Nonito anyways. Hopefully after Nonito Ktfo Martinez the winner of Vic/Montiel is next for him.
Vic is obviously an easy fight for Nonito, even Gary shaw admitted he wont reward Nonito with a Vic match. That is like handing Nonito the 3 titles :lolhaha: Vic got dominated every round and didn't even last 5 rounds. Somebody said Maldonaldo was weaken by Vic but howcome Maldonaldo lasted longer then vic against Nonito? ;D
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Re: gary shaw acting like a baby!
Forget Donaire-Darchinyan II. It aint gonna happen. Fat fukk Shaw won't give fans what they want because of a personal thing hes got against Donaire. Vic is officially Nonito's little whore FOREVER... I can live with that ;D.
Now it's time to move on. We saw Donaire literaly knocked the bloody snot out of Darchinyan. Now I wanna see Rafa or Izzy knock Vic's head off.
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No I don't think Darchinyan/ Donaire 2 makes sense... at this time! Darchinyan/ Montiel is the better & bigger fight to make!!!
As VD has stated... if they keep winning then sure it will hopefully come to fruitition but Donaire 1st has to make it past Martinez & hopefully Darchinyan & Montiel can get together.
At the moment theres no reason to see Donaire ahead of Montiel because Donaire has done nothing at 115, whereas Darchinyan & Montiel have basically cleaned out the division between them so their fight makes the most sense, plus it will crown a true Ring champion at the weight! After that fight I would definitely be interested in seeing the rematch before Vic starts looking to higher weights...
Since the time Donaire KO'ed Darchinyan cold, a Donaire-Darchinyan rematch fight always makes sense... There could be other sensible fights for each of them but their rematch always makes sense at any time... unless Donaire will say it doesn't make sense since the outcome will be the same, he will KO Darchinyan again...
We didn't claim Donaire is ahead of Darchinyan... Darchinyan made good progress beating named boxers after he got KO'ed cold by Donaire while Donaire was relatively inactive mainly due to managerial and promotional problems...
And you can't say Donaire has done nothing at 115 for he was the NABF super flyweight champ before he moved down to 112 to face Darchinyan...
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You need to understand that if there is a bigger & better fight available then the rematch has to be put on the back burner. I don't want to see Darchinyan/ Donaire 2 right now, I would prefer to see Darchinyan/ Montiel because imo it is the better fight between the 2 best fighters in the division with the real championship on the line. So no imo the rematch does not make sense at this time! It would be nice to see but there are just some fights throughout history where I would have liked to have seen a rematch but it never happened for one reason or another. This may or may not be one of them, we'll have to wait & see. But to me the more important fight (Darchinyan/ Donaire) need to be made before a rematch... that makes sense to me!
Plus if you think Donaire has achieved anywhere near what Darchinyan & Montiel have at 115 then I seriously would have to question your boxing knowledge! Capaturing the ABCD what ever the hell don't mean sh*t against the achievments of Montiel & Darchinyan who together have basically cleaned it out & the only obvious fight at 115 to be made is Darchinyan/ Montiel. I'm sorry but a Donaire rematch at this time is like compairing platinum to tin compared to Darchinyan/ Montiel!!!
I second what VD said about Donaire potentially being a flash in the pan. There is a huge risk that Martinez is gonna hand him his ass & then it may be an uphill battle for exposure from there!
I agree that Montiel-Darchi is the bigger fight since it's for all the belts and it will be considered a competitive fight and difficult to predict the outcome BUT saying Donaire-Darchi rematch doesn't make sense at this time is one I can't agree. The rematch always makes sense all the time or else as one poster here pointed out, Darchi will forever be known as Nonito's little bitch... We, Donaire supporters can live with that...
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Regarding your statement that "Donaire has done nothing at 115", this one also I can't agree... Donaire has done something at 115, he was the former NABF 115 champion!! For whatever it's worth, it's still an accomplishment for a boxer and it cannot be just considered as nothing... Of course Montiel and Darchi has done more at 115 compared to Nonito, they are the current regular world champs...
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Since the time Donaire KO'ed Darchinyan cold, a Donaire-Darchinyan rematch fight always makes sense... There could be other sensible fights for each of them but their rematch always makes sense at any time... unless Donaire will say it doesn't make sense since the outcome will be the same, he will KO Darchinyan again...
We didn't claim Donaire is ahead of Darchinyan... Darchinyan made good progress beating named boxers after he got KO'ed cold by Donaire while Donaire was relatively inactive mainly due to managerial and promotional problems...
And you can't say Donaire has done nothing at 115 for he was the NABF super flyweight champ before he moved down to 112 to face Darchinyan...
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You need to understand that if there is a bigger & better fight available then the rematch has to be put on the back burner. I don't want to see Darchinyan/ Donaire 2 right now, I would prefer to see Darchinyan/ Montiel because imo it is the better fight between the 2 best fighters in the division with the real championship on the line. So no imo the rematch does not make sense at this time! It would be nice to see but there are just some fights throughout history where I would have liked to have seen a rematch but it never happened for one reason or another. This may or may not be one of them, we'll have to wait & see. But to me the more important fight (Darchinyan/ Donaire) need to be made before a rematch... that makes sense to me!
Plus if you think Donaire has achieved anywhere near what Darchinyan & Montiel have at 115 then I seriously would have to question your boxing knowledge! Capaturing the ABCD what ever the hell don't mean sh*t against the achievments of Montiel & Darchinyan who together have basically cleaned it out & the only obvious fight at 115 to be made is Darchinyan/ Montiel. I'm sorry but a Donaire rematch at this time is like compairing platinum to tin compared to Darchinyan/ Montiel!!!
I second what VD said about Donaire potentially being a flash in the pan. There is a huge risk that Martinez is gonna hand him his ass & then it may be an uphill battle for exposure from there!
I agree that Montiel-Darchi is the bigger fight since it's for all the belts and it will be considered a competitive fight and difficult to predict the outcome BUT saying
Donaire-Darchi rematch doesn't make sense at this time is one I can't agree. The rematch always makes sense all the time or else as one poster here pointed out, Darchi will forever be known as Nonito's little bitch... We, Donaire supporters can live with that...
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Regarding your statement that
"Donaire has done nothing at 115", this one also I can't agree... Donaire has done something at 115, he was the former NABF 115 champion!! For whatever it's worth, it's still an accomplishment for a boxer and it cannot be just considered as nothing... Of course Montiel and Darchi has done more at 115 compared to Nonito, they are the current regular world champs...
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Your just contradicting yourself! If you say Darchinyan/ Montiel is the bigger fight then as a boxing fan would you want to see the bigger fight 1st? If you answer no then you might want to think about following another sport! The best fighting the best in the biggest fights is want I want to see!!! So logically Darchinyan/ Donaire 2 doesn't make sense at this time... after a Darchinyan/ Montiel fight sure... Donaire supporters can live with whatever they want if a rematch never happens... at the moment I see Darchinyans name on the P4P list not Donaires! Darchinyan has worked on his legacy since the KO loss, whereas Donaires may be going down the drain after the Martinez fight!
As for accomplishments at 115, winning an meaningless trinket does nothing to increase a case for a rematch before Darchinyan/ Montiel is made! But if your into following totally worthless belts I'm sure you'll be happy to hear Francis Botha had a similar worthless accomplishment winning a crap trinket recently!
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You need to understand that if there is a bigger & better fight available then the rematch has to be put on the back burner. I don't want to see Darchinyan/ Donaire 2 right now, I would prefer to see Darchinyan/ Montiel because imo it is the better fight between the 2 best fighters in the division with the real championship on the line. So no imo the rematch does not make sense at this time! It would be nice to see but there are just some fights throughout history where I would have liked to have seen a rematch but it never happened for one reason or another. This may or may not be one of them, we'll have to wait & see. But to me the more important fight (Darchinyan/ Donaire) need to be made before a rematch... that makes sense to me!
Plus if you think Donaire has achieved anywhere near what Darchinyan & Montiel have at 115 then I seriously would have to question your boxing knowledge! Capaturing the ABCD what ever the hell don't mean sh*t against the achievments of Montiel & Darchinyan who together have basically cleaned it out & the only obvious fight at 115 to be made is Darchinyan/ Montiel. I'm sorry but a Donaire rematch at this time is like compairing platinum to tin compared to Darchinyan/ Montiel!!!
I second what VD said about Donaire potentially being a flash in the pan. There is a huge risk that Martinez is gonna hand him his ass & then it may be an uphill battle for exposure from there!
I agree that Montiel-Darchi is the bigger fight since it's for all the belts and it will be considered a competitive fight and difficult to predict the outcome BUT saying
Donaire-Darchi rematch doesn't make sense at this time is one I can't agree. The rematch always makes sense all the time or else as one poster here pointed out, Darchi will forever be known as Nonito's little bitch... We, Donaire supporters can live with that...
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Regarding your statement that
"Donaire has done nothing at 115", this one also I can't agree... Donaire has done something at 115, he was the former NABF 115 champion!! For whatever it's worth, it's still an accomplishment for a boxer and it cannot be just considered as nothing... Of course Montiel and Darchi has done more at 115 compared to Nonito, they are the current regular world champs...
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Your just contradicting yourself! If you say Darchinyan/ Montiel is the bigger fight then as a boxing fan would you want to see the bigger fight 1st? If you answer no then you might want to think about following another sport! The best fighting the best in the biggest fights is want I want to see!!! So logically Darchinyan/ Donaire 2 doesn't make sense at this time... after a Darchinyan/ Montiel fight sure... Donaire supporters can live with whatever they want if a rematch never happens... at the moment I see Darchinyans name on the P4P list not Donaires! Darchinyan has worked on his legacy since the KO loss, whereas Donaires may be going down the drain after the Martinez fight!
As for accomplishments at 115, winning an meaningless trinket does nothing to increase a case for a rematch before Darchinyan/ Montiel is made! But if your into following totally worthless belts I'm sure you'll be happy to hear Francis Botha had a similar worthless accomplishment winning a crap trinket recently!
All I say is Donaire-Montiel, Donaire-Darchi, Montiel-Darchi are all sensible fights, just don't say Donaire-Darchi does not make sense...
Regarding accomplishments, it's clear Donaire made some at 115 and made tremendous accomplishment at 112 by trashing the once perceived indestructible force at 112 who is now widely known as Nonito's little whore...
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I agree that Montiel-Darchi is the bigger fight since it's for all the belts and it will be considered a competitive fight and difficult to predict the outcome BUT saying
Donaire-Darchi rematch doesn't make sense at this time is one I can't agree. The rematch always makes sense all the time or else as one poster here pointed out, Darchi will forever be known as Nonito's little bitch... We, Donaire supporters can live with that...
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Regarding your statement that
"Donaire has done nothing at 115", this one also I can't agree... Donaire has done something at 115, he was the former NABF 115 champion!! For whatever it's worth, it's still an accomplishment for a boxer and it cannot be just considered as nothing... Of course Montiel and Darchi has done more at 115 compared to Nonito, they are the current regular world champs...
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Your just contradicting yourself! If you say Darchinyan/ Montiel is the bigger fight then as a boxing fan would you want to see the bigger fight 1st? If you answer no then you might want to think about following another sport! The best fighting the best in the biggest fights is want I want to see!!! So logically Darchinyan/ Donaire 2 doesn't make sense at this time... after a Darchinyan/ Montiel fight sure... Donaire supporters can live with whatever they want if a rematch never happens... at the moment I see Darchinyans name on the P4P list not Donaires! Darchinyan has worked on his legacy since the KO loss, whereas Donaires may be going down the drain after the Martinez fight!
As for accomplishments at 115, winning an meaningless trinket does nothing to increase a case for a rematch before Darchinyan/ Montiel is made! But if your into following totally worthless belts I'm sure you'll be happy to hear Francis Botha had a similar worthless accomplishment winning a crap trinket recently!
All I say is Donaire-Montiel, Donaire-Darchi, Montiel-Darchi are all sensible fights, just don't say Donaire-Darchi does not make sense...
Regarding accomplishments, it's clear Donaire made some at 115 and made tremendous accomplishment at 112 by trashing the once perceived indestructible force at 112
who is now widely known as Nonito's little whore...
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Why is that? Cuz he beat him? So technically that would make Donaire Rosendo Sanchez little biitch, right? Or little whore. Whatever you want to call it.
