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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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miron_lang
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Hornfinger
If a murderer doesn't turn up for trial he's automatically innocent right?
:D
Hornfinger has stated before that he owns a business. I think this post right here doesn't indicate his mental/Comprehension/Analysis capabilities. He could be an intelligent individual he just hates Pacquiao that much that he really sounds like an idiot.
You've got your head so far up pacquiao's ass you can't make an subjective decision about anything and that's why you resort to trying to insult me.
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
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Hornfinger
Your analogy doesn't work in this instance, not one little bit.... however my one on murderers going to trial does.
It doesnt really does it?
The day the CPS takes someone to trial for murder based on the wishes/curiosity of one man and internet gossip is the day your analogy holds water.
You phone up the police now and report your next door neighbour for a crime of your choice. I guarentee the police will be round their to do some questioning at some point.
Get the whole street to report it and I'm fairly sure the police will be round even quicker.
If your neighbour is innocent he won't have any problem with questioning/clearing his name.
If he skips town however.... well by the reasoning of all on here he must be innocent.
It's not the accusations/internet gossip etc... it's the fact that he refused to go into a fight where olympic style random blood testing would be used into the build up.
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Hornfinger
There was no stipulation to 18 days before. Random means just that, it could be 1 day before it could be 20 days before. Neither shane or floyd knew the last test would be 18 days out.
Shane had admitted to using drugs. So why didn't Floyd insist that he has a drug test up until the day of the fight. If 18 days before the fight is good enough for Floyd, then 14 days is even better. But that 14 days cut-off isn't even the issue in the second negotiation, Floyd just decided to go on vacation.
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what you have just written has NO baring what so ever on the question mark over manny's head.
What question mark?
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Manny tried to stipulate no testing 14 days prior. Sorry son, that's not how it works and that is the behaviour of someone with something to hide. Random means random full stop.
You question Manny's stipulation and yet you don't question Floyd acting as the boxing commissioner and trying to impose his own rules.
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Manny's name has been soiled. He has been accused. If there is no question mark over his head then why do these threads keep popping up and why is it still talked about in the press?
Just because someone is accused, it doesn't mean that their name get soiled. We all get accussed of something all the time. This thread is not even about Manny, it's about Floyd's demand with regards to the drug test. If this issue is still brought up in the press, it's not about Manny's allege refusal because he had addressed that in the second negotiation. Not unless you have access to those RECENT press that says otherwise, maybe you would care enough to share it with us.
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The arguement starts and finnishes with Manny Pacquiao was offered a test and refused and then came up with rediculous excuses and even stipulations.
You are talking about what transpired in the first negotiation. There had been a second negotiation already which also failed.
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If he doesn't want to be labled a sterois cheat then he needs to stop acting like one.
If Floyd doesn't want to be labeled a chicken then he needs to stop acting like one.
:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
fan johnny
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
Has manny taken a test? No
I'm not interested in the excuses 'timing' 'needles' 'the easter bunny' 'floyd on vacation'
Has manny taken an idependent random test? no.
Done.
Can you define what you mean by independent random test and who has already undergone this test? Can you enlighten me on this?
USADA are one such body. Independent simply means a body that has no alligence or connetction to any party envolved. Nevada state commision is independant from that point of view but doesn't take blood and is completely half arsed.
Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosely have undergone and passed an independent olympic style test. You are now enlightened.
what this has to do with my previous post is beyond me. It also doesn't change the FACT that manny still has done nothing to clear his name.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about!
No agency has the ability to conduct the tests. They all use the same labs. The only thing not independent is the administration of the testing.
The only test,
Olympic Style Testing utilizes during competition which is typically (99 time out of 100) is immediately following an event and the samples are typically urine. The random testing that OST uses is during non-competition times. Pacquiao has taken the tests a number of times, including a blood test immediately
before his fight with Morales.
You add no light to the subject, only darkness.
If someone repeats a lie enough times, you might be stupid enough to believe it.
:cool:
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
when has joe biden run away from a test to see if he was a space alien or not....
Your analogy doesn't work in this instance, not one little bit.... however my one on murderers going to trial does.
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
LOL the murderer analogy is simply dumb. Why? In the case of a murder you have a body proving SOMEONE committed murder. Here? There is ZERO evidence Manny is using. None, nada zilch.
Biden has done NOTHING but run since I make my accusation this morning!
This ain't hard. Athletes have to obey the rules. Manny has done so. NEXT!
:-X
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
Your analogy doesn't work in this instance, not one little bit.... however my one on murderers going to trial does.
It doesnt really does it?
The day the CPS takes someone to trial for murder based on the wishes/curiosity of one man and internet gossip is the day your analogy holds water.
You phone up the police now and report your next door neighbour for a crime of your choice. I guarentee the police will be round their to do some questioning at some point.
Get the whole street to report it and I'm fairly sure the police will be round even quicker.
If your neighbour is innocent he won't have any problem with questioning/clearing his name.
If he skips town however.... well by the reasoning of all on here he must be innocent.
It's not the accusations/internet gossip etc... it's the fact that he refused to go into a fight where olympic style random blood testing would be used into the build up.
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
Hey STUPID! and I mean really STUPID!
Ever hear of someone falsely accused of sexual harassment in the workplace getting fired! from a job like high school guidance counselor.
If your 45 year neighbor man (widower) with two daughters one young and another a teenager and was accused of being a pedophile. He is surrounded by young families. Social services comes into the house, finds pot in the house pot (From his oldest daughter) but uses it as a reason to put the kids into foster care because of the accusation! Do you think he is also going to be forced to move?
Those are obvious examples that even you should be able to comprehend. False accusations can be very damaging to a reputation way beyond point recovery.
The crap YOU are spilling is a direct result of an accusation. Don't be a moron that is incapable of learning as well, everyone has a brain fart now an then.
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
fan johnny
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
Your analogy doesn't work in this instance, not one little bit.... however my one on murderers going to trial does.
It doesnt really does it?
The day the CPS takes someone to trial for murder based on the wishes/curiosity of one man and internet gossip is the day your analogy holds water.
You phone up the police now and report your next door neighbour for a crime of your choice. I guarentee the police will be round their to do some questioning at some point.
Get the whole street to report it and I'm fairly sure the police will be round even quicker.
If your neighbour is innocent he won't have any problem with questioning/clearing his name.
If he skips town however.... well by the reasoning of all on here he must be innocent.
It's not the accusations/internet gossip etc... it's the fact that he refused to go into a fight where olympic style random blood testing would be used into the build up.
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
Hey
STUPID! and I mean really STUPID!
Ever hear of someone falsely accused of sexual harassment in the workplace getting
fired! from a job like high school guidance counselor.
If your 45 year neighbor man (widower) with two daughters one young and another a teenager and was
accused of being a pedophile. He is surrounded by young families. Social services comes into the house, finds pot in the house pot (From his oldest daughter) but uses it as a reason to put the kids into foster care because of the accusation! Do you think he is also going to be forced to move?
Those are obvious examples that even you should be able to comprehend. False accusations can be very damaging to a reputation way beyond point recovery.
The crap YOU are spilling is a direct result of an accusation. Don't be a moron that is incapable of learning as well, everyone has a brain fart now an then.
Don't get upset, just remember....
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
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Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
uhhh, offered by WHOM??? by what governing body???
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Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
uhhh, offered by WHOM??? by what governing body???
If he'd fought floyd he could have been tested by USADA just like shane was. He could of aasked for and done a random test like floyd and shane did on the lead up to ANY of his fights. It would have silenced Floyd and everyone else.
He chose not to.
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
fan johnny
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
Your analogy doesn't work in this instance, not one little bit.... however my one on murderers going to trial does.
It doesnt really does it?
The day the CPS takes someone to trial for murder based on the wishes/curiosity of one man and internet gossip is the day your analogy holds water.
You phone up the police now and report your next door neighbour for a crime of your choice. I guarentee the police will be round their to do some questioning at some point.
Get the whole street to report it and I'm fairly sure the police will be round even quicker.
If your neighbour is innocent he won't have any problem with questioning/clearing his name.
If he skips town however.... well by the reasoning of all on here he must be innocent.
It's not the accusations/internet gossip etc... it's the fact that he refused to go into a fight where olympic style random blood testing would be used into the build up.
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
Hey
STUPID! and I mean really STUPID!
Ever hear of someone falsely accused of sexual harassment in the workplace getting
fired! from a job like high school guidance counselor.
If your 45 year neighbor man (widower) with two daughters one young and another a teenager and was
accused of being a pedophile. He is surrounded by young families. Social services comes into the house, finds pot in the house pot (From his oldest daughter) but uses it as a reason to put the kids into foster care because of the accusation! Do you think he is also going to be forced to move?
Those are obvious examples that even you should be able to comprehend. False accusations can be very damaging to a reputation way beyond point recovery.
The crap YOU are spilling is a direct result of an accusation. Don't be a moron that is incapable of learning as well, everyone has a brain fart now an then.
The International Association of the Stupid called and demand a retraction for the insult of equating stupidity and Hornfinger.
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
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Originally Posted by
hornfinger
when has joe biden run away from a test to see if he was a space alien or not....
Your analogy doesn't work in this instance, not one little bit.... However my one on murderers going to trial does.
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Originally Posted by
hornfinger
no matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
lol the murderer analogy is simply dumb. Why? In the case of a murder you have a body proving someone committed murder. Here? There is zero evidence manny is using. None, nada zilch.
Biden has done nothing but run since i make my accusation this morning!
This ain't hard. Athletes have to obey the rules. Manny has done so. Next!
there is no evidence because he refuses to take the test
don't be so daft.
LOL, NOBODY can be this dumb!
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lol.
It really does make me laugh. The only thing any of you can do is hurl insults and try and dodge the issue.
no one can tackle the issue directly because.....
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
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Originally Posted by
hornfinger
when has joe biden run away from a test to see if he was a space alien or not....
Your analogy doesn't work in this instance, not one little bit.... However my one on murderers going to trial does.
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Originally Posted by
hornfinger
no matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
lol the murderer analogy is simply dumb. Why? In the case of a murder you have a body proving someone committed murder. Here? There is zero evidence manny is using. None, nada zilch.
Biden has done nothing but run since i make my accusation this morning!
This ain't hard. Athletes have to obey the rules. Manny has done so. Next!
there is no evidence because he refuses to take the test
don't be so daft.
LOL, NOBODY can be this dumb!
NOBODY can be in this much denile lol
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
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Originally Posted by
hornfinger
when has joe biden run away from a test to see if he was a space alien or not....
Your analogy doesn't work in this instance, not one little bit.... However my one on murderers going to trial does.
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Originally Posted by
hornfinger
no matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
lol the murderer analogy is simply dumb. Why? In the case of a murder you have a body proving someone committed murder. Here? There is zero evidence manny is using. None, nada zilch.
Biden has done nothing but run since i make my accusation this morning!
This ain't hard. Athletes have to obey the rules. Manny has done so. Next!
there is no evidence because he refuses to take the test
don't be so daft.
LOL, NOBODY can be this dumb!
NOBODY can be in this much denile lol
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
Seriously you've been obliterated in this argument and you can quote your silly statement as often as you wish. Manny is obeying the rules, THAT is what is required, nothing more. Your murder abanalogy is off point because, unlike in a murder, there is no evidence of a crime. Your no-test=guilt idea is wrong because that only applies when a governing body says so. You have failed to identify the governing body that applies here.
You want a just system? It must be for everyone.
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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fan johnny
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
USADA are one such body. Independent simply means a body that has no alligence or connetction to any party envolved. Nevada state commision is independant from that point of view but doesn't take blood and is completely half arsed.
Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosely have undergone and passed an independent olympic style test. You are now enlightened.
what this has to do with my previous post is beyond me. It also doesn't change the FACT that manny still has done nothing to clear his name.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about!
No agency has the ability to conduct the tests. They all use the same labs. The only thing not independent is the administration of the testing.
The only test,
Olympic Style Testing utilizes during competition which is typically (99 time out of 100) is immediately following an event and the samples are typically urine. The random testing that OST uses is during non-competition times. Pacquiao has taken the tests a number of times, including a blood test immediately
before his fight with Morales.
You add no light to the subject, only darkness.
If someone repeats a lie enough times, you might be stupid enough to believe it.
This statement already destroys Hornfinger's credibility. There is no more point in continuing the argument.
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InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
fan johnny
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
USADA are one such body. Independent simply means a body that has no alligence or connetction to any party envolved. Nevada state commision is independant from that point of view but doesn't take blood and is completely half arsed.
Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosely have undergone and passed an independent olympic style test. You are now enlightened.
what this has to do with my previous post is beyond me. It also doesn't change the FACT that manny still has done nothing to clear his name.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about!
No agency has the ability to conduct the tests. They all use the same labs. The only thing not independent is the administration of the testing.
The only test,
Olympic Style Testing utilizes during competition which is typically (99 time out of 100) is immediately following an event and the samples are typically urine. The random testing that OST uses is during non-competition times. Pacquiao has taken the tests a number of times, including a blood test immediately
before his fight with Morales.
You add no light to the subject, only darkness.
If someone repeats a lie enough times, you might be stupid enough to believe it.
This statement already destroys Hornfinger's credibility. There is no more point in continuing the argument.
Nope, it's childish name calling because no one can address the point, which is....
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
You only believe he is clean because he says he is. I want proof.
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marbleheadmaui
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Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
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hornfinger
when has joe biden run away from a test to see if he was a space alien or not....
Your analogy doesn't work in this instance, not one little bit.... However my one on murderers going to trial does.
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Originally Posted by
hornfinger
no matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
lol the murderer analogy is simply dumb. Why? In the case of a murder you have a body proving someone committed murder. Here? There is zero evidence manny is using. None, nada zilch.
Biden has done nothing but run since i make my accusation this morning!
This ain't hard. Athletes have to obey the rules. Manny has done so. Next!
there is no evidence because he refuses to take the test
don't be so daft.
LOL, NOBODY can be this dumb!
NOBODY can be in this much denile lol
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
Seriously you've been obliterated in this argument and you can quote your silly statement as often as you wish. Manny is obeying the rules, THAT is what is required, nothing more. Your murder abanalogy is off point because, unlike in a murder, there is no evidence of a crime. Your no-test=guilt idea is wrong because that only applies when a governing body says so. You have failed to identify the governing body that applies here.
You want a just system? It must be for everyone.
Nope i've comfortably won this argument without breaking sweat for one simple fact that none of you can or want to address.....
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
Remember as soon as you resort to childish name calling in a thread like this you've already lost. I think the name calling I've recieved from others started a couple of pages ago, and I've chosen not to go down that road myself. I haven't needed to.....
The other thing you all fail to get is that I think All pro athletes are on roids until they prove they aren't ;)
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Hornfinger
You only believe he is clean because he says he is. I want proof.
This is in no way meant to demean you but based on the above statement that you made, what if someone wrote you this:
"You only believe you are not stupid because you say you are not. I want proof."
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[QUOTE=InTheNeutralCorner;969691]
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Hornfinger
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Hornfinger
You only believe he is clean because he says he is. I want proof.
This is in no way meant to demean you but based on the above statement that you made, what if someone wrote you this:
"You only believe you are not stupid because you say you are not. I want proof."
You want to see my degree certificate? My other diplomas? My test scores and IQ scores? sure you can have em. No problem.
Now what would you think if I started coming up with all kinds of excuses not to show you them? like I had something to hide....
Again anything to take this thread away from the issue and on to the child like name calling.
Stick to the issue, here is what it is.....
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
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there is no legal requirement for anyone to submit anything more than the standard requirements. i think hornfinger wants to rewrite the rules. :cool:
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He chose not to.
and rightfully so! he is not bound by any law to do so.
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InTheNeutralCorner
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Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
You only believe he is clean because he says he is. I want proof.
This is in no way meant to demean you but based on the above statement that you made, what if someone wrote you this:
"You only believe you are not stupid because you say you are not. I want proof."
You want to see my degree certificate? My other diplomas? My test scores and IQ scores? sure you can have em. No problem.
Now what would you think if I started coming up with all kinds of excuses not to show you them? like I had something to hide....
Again anything to take this thread away from the issue and on to the child like name calling.
Stick to the issue, here is what it is.....
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
Having intelligence, is not necessarily synonymous with being stupid. The guys who make the JackAss series are stupid, because they do stupid things. They are not stupid because they don't have intelligence.
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Because of the position that his haters have mostly put floyd in, he can now ask for pretty much whatever he wants. To make this fight he could ask pac to wear a yellow skirt and some would try and make it happen. It sucks it's this way ,but we only have ourselves to blame. Instead of just acknowledging a great bout between the two best fighters in the sport. You have fans that constantly on a daily basis try to pump up one guy and shit on the other. Now this whole outside the ring war has taken off and we arent reigning it back in. The best way to have this fight made is to ignore floyd and his sillyness and convince him that he is a part of boxing. Not boxing itself. So why is he asking for the tests ? Because he can. He knows pac aint on shit. I just think the guy likes being begged to fight more than he actually likes fighting. And who's fault is that.
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You want to see my degree certificate? My other diplomas? My test scores and IQ scores? sure you can have em. No problem.
Now what would you think if I started coming up with all kinds of excuses not to show you them? like I had something to hide....
Again anything to take this thread away from the issue and on to the child like name calling.
Stick to the issue, here is what it is.....
But those certificate, diplomas or IQ scores are the standard and are not good enough. You have to subject yourself to a more intensive brain probe to find out how much neurons you still have functioning.
What do you say?
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What people don't understand about Hornfinger and MafiaJoey's are the fact that they are both the biggest Pacquiao haters on the face of the earth. I made a rant about the whole Mayweather/Pacquiao hating and not one person could provide PROOF that Pacquiao was on PEDs. I'll use this analogy again:
Picture yourself back in school. You took an exam, passed it. Someone in your class claimed he saw you cheating and he's demanding the teacher or the administrators make you take an even more in depth test to prove you weren't actually cheating. Do you sit there and say, "I passed the test already, why do I have to retake it?" or "Sure, I'll take the test again cause someone said I cheated?"
Show me proof Pacquiao is on PEDs and you have another Pachater on my part. Not speculation, hypothesis, or situations, I just was PROOF.
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Well if Mayweather wants the test i don't see the big deal. As for the fight i think it happens after what i saw with Pac and Mosley. I think Mayweather saw what he need to see and i think he will win.
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Well if Mayweather wants the test i don't see the big deal.
And Manny agreed to the test in the second negotiation.
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As for the fight i think it happens after what i saw with Pac and Mosley. I think Mayweather saw what he need to see and i think he will win.
I saw a decline in Manny in his fight with Mosley. I just hope that brings the confidence that Floyd needed to fight Manny. Remember that Pacquiao still is the underdog in this fight even with the suspicion of PED use.
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i posted this on another thread but i think it belongs here....
how about this... in 20 years, long after floyd and manny have retired... some of your kids are gonna look back on this and wonder what it was all about.
they'll look at boxrec and see that manny fought 13 times (maybe even 14 times by year's end) between 2006 & 2011... they will find that floyd fought 6 times in that same time.
doing a little more research, they will find that manny hadn't failed one drug test in his career to substantiate the controversy. they will also find that floyd came from a family of drug addicts and wife beating criminals.
they will also discover that manny already had three loses on his record...and with nothing to lose by taking all comers, he fought everyone he could. they will see that floyd held on to that 0 as if his life depended on it.
if floyd beats manny (which i think he would), then floyd would become the superstar boxer that he wishes everyone would recognize him to be. if manny loses...no big deal he fought the best at multiple weights.
they'll see that floyd needed pacquiao to cement his legacy as possibly one of the greats of the modern era. and they'll think he was a chicken for not trying to be the best.
as for pacquiao... he's rich, he's got a life outside boxing(acting, singing, politics, being a national hero, etc...) and he didn't need floyd for squat. he did it on his own.
in the future they'll say mayweather could have been one of the greatest if he had pushed himself. they'll see manny's record breaking run from 106 lbs right up to 147lbs.... who's ever done that?
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ruthless rocco
i posted this on another thread but i think it belongs here....
how about this... in 20 years, long after floyd and manny have retired... some of your kids are gonna look back on this and wonder what it was all about.
they'll look at boxrec and see that manny fought 13 times (maybe even 14 times by year's end) between 2006 & 2011... they will find that floyd fought 6 times in that same time.
doing a little more research, they will find that manny hadn't failed one drug test in his career to substantiate the controversy. they will also find that floyd came from a family of drug addicts and wife beating criminals.
they will also discover that manny already had three loses on his record...and with nothing to lose by taking all comers, he fought everyone he could. they will see that floyd held on to that 0 as if his life depended on it.
if floyd beats manny (which i think he would), then floyd would become the superstar boxer that he wishes everyone would recognize him to be. if manny loses...no big deal he fought the best at multiple weights.
they'll see that floyd needed pacquiao to cement his legacy as possibly one of the greats of the modern era. and they'll think he was a chicken for not trying to be the best.
as for pacquiao... he's rich, he's got a life outside boxing(acting, singing, politics, being a national hero, etc...) and he didn't need floyd for squat. he did it on his own.
in the future they'll say mayweather could have been one of the greatest if he had pushed himself. they'll see manny's record breaking run from 106 lbs right up to 147lbs.... who's ever done that?
well said.;)
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OMG! I figured it out! Hornfinger is Leonard Ellerbe! I understand now. He is trying to protect his fighter. We need to leave him alone now and let him do his job. Who are we to jeopardize that?
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OMG! I figured it out! Hornfinger is Leonard Ellerbe! I understand now. He is trying to protect his fighter. We need to leave him alone now and let him do his job. Who are we to jeopardize that?
LOL. The Horny finger Ellerbe!!!
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ruthless rocco
i posted this on another thread but i think it belongs here....
how about this... in 20 years, long after floyd and manny have retired... some of your kids are gonna look back on this and wonder what it was all about.
they'll look at boxrec and see that manny fought 13 times (maybe even 14 times by year's end) between 2006 & 2011... they will find that floyd fought 6 times in that same time.
doing a little more research, they will find that manny hadn't failed one drug test in his career to substantiate the controversy. they will also find that floyd came from a family of drug addicts and wife beating criminals.
they will also discover that manny already had three loses on his record...and with nothing to lose by taking all comers, he fought everyone he could. they will see that floyd held on to that 0 as if his life depended on it.
if floyd beats manny (which i think he would), then floyd would become the superstar boxer that he wishes everyone would recognize him to be. if manny loses...no big deal he fought the best at multiple weights.
they'll see that floyd needed pacquiao to cement his legacy as possibly one of the greats of the modern era. and they'll think he was a chicken for not trying to be the best.
as for pacquiao... he's rich, he's got a life outside boxing(acting, singing, politics, being a national hero, etc...) and he didn't need floyd for squat. he did it on his own.
in the future they'll say mayweather could have been one of the greatest if he had pushed himself. they'll see manny's record breaking run from 106 lbs right up to 147lbs.... who's ever done that?
Nicely done! Of course they'll also have some pretty incredible footage (though by then they'll be complaining they aren't holograms).
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You only believe he is clean because he says he is. I want proof.
This is in no way meant to demean you but based on the above statement that you made, what if someone wrote you this:
"You only believe you are not stupid because you say you are not. I want proof."
You want to see my degree certificate? My other diplomas? My test scores and IQ scores? sure you can have em. No problem.
Now what would you think if I started coming up with all kinds of excuses not to show you them? like I had something to hide....
Again anything to take this thread away from the issue and on to the child like name calling.
Stick to the issue, here is what it is.....
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
Having intelligence, is not necessarily synonymous with being stupid. The guys who make the JackAss series are stupid, because they do stupid things. They are not stupid because they don't have intelligence.
And so it continues..... hurling the insults and running away from the issue that no pac fan can or wants to address....
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
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pac agreed with the tests, pbf decided not to fight him instead.
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Hornfinger
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
"Mr. Kizer also shared some details on the drug testing. Although the results aren't "in yet", both Manny Pacquiao and Shane Mosley were tested the night of the fight and there are no indications or expectations of any problems with their results. The tests should be back within the next week or two."
Shane Mosley receives suspension after Pacquiao fight, Drug tests not back yet - National Fight Sports | Examiner.com
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pac agreed with the tests, pbf decided not to fight him instead.
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Hornfinger
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
"Mr. Kizer also shared some details on the drug testing. Although the results aren't "in yet", both Manny Pacquiao and Shane Mosley were tested the night of the fight and there are no indications or expectations of any problems with their results. The tests should be back within the next week or two."
Shane Mosley receives suspension after Pacquiao fight, Drug tests not back yet - National Fight Sports | Examiner.com
Blood test?
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C-Lo
What people don't understand about Hornfinger and MafiaJoey's are the fact that they are both the biggest Pacquiao haters on the face of the earth. I made a rant about the whole Mayweather/Pacquiao hating and not one person could provide PROOF that Pacquiao was on PEDs. I'll use this analogy again:
Picture yourself back in school. You took an exam, passed it. Someone in your class claimed he saw you cheating and he's demanding the teacher or the administrators make you take an even more in depth test to prove you weren't actually cheating. Do you sit there and say, "I passed the test already, why do I have to retake it?" or "Sure, I'll take the test again cause someone said I cheated?"
Show me proof Pacquiao is on PEDs and you have another Pachater on my part. Not speculation, hypothesis, or situations, I just was PROOF.
A slight modification to the analogy would be appropriate. Rather than the accuser saying he actually saw you cheating, because he didn't see anything. What he says is there is no way you could have passed the test having that score without cheating. So you must have cheated. You should now have to retake the tests and they should be modified so they have completely different questions. Oh and just to be sure that you actually know the material there should be no multiple choice questions even though everyone else take the multiple choice test.
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What people don't understand about Hornfinger and MafiaJoey's are the fact that they are both the biggest Pacquiao haters on the face of the earth. I made a rant about the whole Mayweather/Pacquiao hating and not one person could provide PROOF that Pacquiao was on PEDs. I'll use this analogy again:
Picture yourself back in school. You took an exam, passed it. Someone in your class claimed he saw you cheating and he's demanding the teacher or the administrators make you take an even more in depth test to prove you weren't actually cheating. Do you sit there and say, "I passed the test already, why do I have to retake it?" or "Sure, I'll take the test again cause someone said I cheated?"
Show me proof Pacquiao is on PEDs and you have another Pachater on my part. Not speculation, hypothesis, or situations, I just was PROOF.
A slight modification to the analogy would be appropriate. Rather than the accuser saying he actually saw you cheating, because he didn't see anything.
What he says is there is no way you could have passed the test having that score without cheating. So you must have cheated. You should now have to retake the tests and they should be modified so they have completely different questions. Oh and just to be sure that you actually know the material there should be no multiple choice questions even though everyone else take the multiple choice test.
that happens
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C-Lo
What people don't understand about Hornfinger and MafiaJoey's are the fact that they are both the biggest Pacquiao haters on the face of the earth. I made a rant about the whole Mayweather/Pacquiao hating and not one person could provide PROOF that Pacquiao was on PEDs. I'll use this analogy again:
Picture yourself back in school. You took an exam, passed it. Someone in your class claimed he saw you cheating and he's demanding the teacher or the administrators make you take an even more in depth test to prove you weren't actually cheating. Do you sit there and say, "I passed the test already, why do I have to retake it?" or "Sure, I'll take the test again cause someone said I cheated?"
Show me proof Pacquiao is on PEDs and you have another Pachater on my part. Not speculation, hypothesis, or situations, I just want PROOF.
Anything yet or will you just repost your post?
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C-Lo
What people don't understand about Hornfinger and MafiaJoey's are the fact that they are both the biggest Pacquiao haters on the face of the earth. I made a rant about the whole Mayweather/Pacquiao hating and not one person could provide PROOF that Pacquiao was on PEDs. I'll use this analogy again:
Picture yourself back in school. You took an exam, passed it. Someone in your class claimed he saw you cheating and he's demanding the teacher or the administrators make you take an even more in depth test to prove you weren't actually cheating. Do you sit there and say, "I passed the test already, why do I have to retake it?" or "Sure, I'll take the test again cause someone said I cheated?"
Show me proof Pacquiao is on PEDs and you have another Pachater on my part. Not speculation, hypothesis, or situations, I just want PROOF.
Anything yet or will you just repost your post?
You killed this thread. Hornfinger won't be back here again.
But I see him creating havoc in another thread. ;D
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i actually side with floyd on this one
lots of boxers have taken steriods and got a way with it under the current system
floyd isnt the only person accusing manny of drug use and all he is asking for is a blood sample
If I were Manny and i were clean? I'd be damned if I'd put money in the pocket of a guy who singled me out without an ounce of evidence and tried to ruin my reputation. Screw that!
Floyd is a fighter, that's all. He's not a commission he's not an imposer of rules where a commission already has standards.
Floyd completely blew this. Here is what he should have done. He should have put out a press release that said "Drug use is rampant among our young people and is a scourge on our society. Boxing is my greatest love and i want that sport to set an example for other sports that athletes can and do succeed without PED's. I urge my fellow champions, Shane Mosely, Manny Pacquiao, Tim Bradley, Nonito Donaire, Bernard Hopkins (and 3-4 more names) to join me in appealing to the Nevada, New York and New Jersey Commissions, in their roles as leaders, to adopt the strictest available protocols. We, the undersigned, agree to fight under these protocols and top pay for such testing for everyone fighting on a card in which we participate."
THAT would have given him some moral standing. As it is? he's just playing mind games.
if i were manny and i were clean i wouldnt hesitate to take the blood test and wave the results in his face
would make floyd look pretty silly
as it is mannys refusal and daft excuses make it more suspicious. And after all that if i were floyd i wouldnt fight without the tests
having said that i havent watched the developments for a while now, didnt manny agree to the tests in the end?
It depends how you view your honor I suppose. If a boss walked up to me, singled me out for no reason in front of the entire company and required that I take that test? I (having never taken a drug in my life) would quit on the spot. The notion that someone has to address outrageous accusations is sheer lunacy. If I called you a pedophile, would you feel the need to defend yourself by giving me access to your pc so I could check for kiddy stuff? I'd be rightly condemned for being so irresponsible in my accusation.
Last negotiation I think was Manny agreeing to random tests up until 14 days before the fight and another in the locker room right afterwards.
I like your analogy but it does not take an opponents health into consideration. The more apt analogy is a child that habitually rubs his groin area is perceived to be a victim by child abuse by child services and school faculty. The parents are called into question and their integrity means nothing. What matters is the the child's safety. Which in this this unprecedent situation has PAC jumping up many weights and hitting opponents harder than than that have ever been hit ( they claim) by fighters of that natural weight class. There is a saying that is it seems to be to good there's probably something wrong. Back to my claim the parents have to prove they are not violating the child and if there is no foul play and if they really have love for the child there is no limit as to what they will do to set things straight. Avoidance is not an option !
