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Originally Posted by ross
Fuck off...
Name 9 other heavies who would be a favourite to beat the Tyson that beat Spinks;)
Just 9? I mean 9 guys to beat a "Prime Tyson" doesn't necessarily mean these guys are all Top 10 Heavyweights of All-Time, but here it goes: Ali, Foreman, Holyfield, Lewis, Louis, Vitali, Holmes, Mercer, Bowe, Frazier, and personally I think Ernie Terrell would do a number on old Mike too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Why are Klitschko fans and Tyson fans mutually exclusive groups? Can't they both be admired in their own right for what they've accomplished? Typically predictable of you, Lyle, to rattle off 9 heavyweights who would "beat a prime Tyson". Personally I think it's a reaction to those who maintain that Tyson would've beaten Wlad. In your opinion... not only does he NOT beat Wlad.... but here are a bunch of bums who Tyson would've lost to as well.
Tyson fans are almost as bad. Wlad suffered some ugly KO's early in his career, so Tyson would undoubtedly tear him a new one. Is it that simple? Wlad has evolved, to be sure. His dominance of the division is pretty unparalleled in HW history. Partly Wlad.... partly the division. Whatever the reason, it's the truth. Tyson lost to a big, strong, athletic heavyweight in Buster Douglas. That Douglas was never that good again, is another story. But that night he was. He showed the world that if you have size, power... and refuse to get bullied by Tyson.... you have a chance. If Wlad fought like Douglas did.... he certainly has the size and power. Chin? I don't know. Douglas did get up after that left hook from hell, and with the benefit of a long count. But he got up. Would Wlad? Who knows....
Can't one be great without the other being shit?
I never said Tyson was shit, I think Tyson was great.....just not as great as ross thinks he is
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Originally Posted by El KabongJust 9? I mean 9 guys to beat a "Prime Tyson" doesn't necessarily mean these guys are all Top 10 Heavyweights of All-Time, but here it goes: Ali, Foreman, Holyfield, Lewis, Louis, Vitali, Holmes, Mercer, Bowe, Frazier, and personally I think Ernie Terrell would do a number on old Mike too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
When you got to "Mercer" you were reaching, and then it only went downhill from there.
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prıme tyson 1985-88 smokes just about everyfuckıngbody. too young, too explosıve, too savage.
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
People resent putting Mike in an all time top ten greaest heavyweight list. Ok, as in "great" up to the point he beat Spinks he was phenomenal but hadnt had a "career" as yet.
He wiped out a division, unified, beat the linear champ and the former great. In that amazingly short space of time he could litterally have done nothing more. If his career had ended abruptly for whatever reason after the Spinks fight Mike would not only be in the top ten but hed be in top three along with or behind Ali and Louis with Marciano right behind him.
Ok the man didnt do great things after but you cant dismiss what he was because he chose to fuck his career up by having yes men and managers fuck him over. On acheivments maybe Tyson isnt in the top ten, thats down to opinion on how much credit you give him for destroying every viable opponent in a space of about 3 years, compared to other fighters of other eras that avoided certain other foes. If it were mythical match ups, then only a hamdfull of fighters would be favoured to hear the final bell let alone beat Mike. When he fought Douglas he wasnt even training but still managed to nigh on knock him out. If Mike had been as fit and not being babied to keep him happy by King, he would have walked through Douglas. Or at the very least, he would have still had something in the tank to finish him off after that knockdown.
Mercer? Mercer got beat by Holmes years after Tyson flattened him! Some people have to reach or scrape the bottom of the barrel to find a reason to downplay what Mike Tyson was. Back then when he beat Spinks, people were saying that Ali now has a contemporary. When Mike was first around and training right, he looked unbeatable, there is a deffinite visable decline starting with the Bruno fight as King and Givens were distracting him.
Really? I mean let's check what Ray had that could trouble Tyson. A good jab (check), a granite chin (check), good power (check), and he was not easily bullied. Now sure Ray had an inconsistent career but the Ray Mercer that demolished Tommy Morrison and the Ray Mercer that went toe to toe with Lennox Lewis WOULD beat Mike Tyson, I'm sorry but that's just the way I see it. Ray had everything to beat Tyson in his arsenal.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Sonny Liston could be added to the list as well, he handled Floyd Patterson REALLY easily, I'm sure Tyson would last longer, but how much longer is the question.
I didn't mention Wladimir not because I don't think he could beat Tyson on his night, I mean he obviously could (and Tyson could do the same to Wlad, I admit as much), but I did not want people thinking I'm just hating on Tyson. I'm not just hating, I like Mike Tyson he was very fun to watch fight, he's an intriguing fellow but I'm realistic about his greatness.
Rays power wasnt that great. Morrisons chin wasnt that great. Mercer would never have done what Tyson did to Holmes, he also couldnt hurt Lewis even though he landed a fair few shots, so he doesnt even hit as hard as Mikes old sparring partner;D
Erroneous...Buster Douglas was not a huge puncher but he outlasted Tyson and why??? Because he was bigger and made Tyson work for everything he got. I stand by my picksQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
OK reasonable reply about Mercer but he was knocked down by Holyfield by a left hook and as great as his chin was, Tyson could have stopped him.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongReally? I mean let's check what Ray had that could trouble Tyson. A good jab (check), a granite chin (check), good power (check), and he was not easily bullied. Now sure Ray had an inconsistent career but the Ray Mercer that demolished Tommy Morrison and the Ray Mercer that went toe to toe with Lennox Lewis WOULD beat Mike Tyson, I'm sorry but that's just the way I see it. Ray had everything to beat Tyson in his arsenal.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Sonny Liston could be added to the list as well, he handled Floyd Patterson REALLY easily, I'm sure Tyson would last longer, but how much longer is the question.
I didn't mention Wladimir not because I don't think he could beat Tyson on his night, I mean he obviously could (and Tyson could do the same to Wlad, I admit as much), but I did not want people thinking I'm just hating on Tyson. I'm not just hating, I like Mike Tyson he was very fun to watch fight, he's an intriguing fellow but I'm realistic about his greatness.
Beautiful post and so objectively true. To say Tua or Mercer could beat a prime Tyson need shooting.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongReally? I mean let's check what Ray had that could trouble Tyson. A good jab (check), a granite chin (check), good power (check), and he was not easily bullied. Now sure Ray had an inconsistent career but the Ray Mercer that demolished Tommy Morrison and the Ray Mercer that went toe to toe with Lennox Lewis WOULD beat Mike Tyson, I'm sorry but that's just the way I see it. Ray had everything to beat Tyson in his arsenal.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Sonny Liston could be added to the list as well, he handled Floyd Patterson REALLY easily, I'm sure Tyson would last longer, but how much longer is the question.
I didn't mention Wladimir not because I don't think he could beat Tyson on his night, I mean he obviously could (and Tyson could do the same to Wlad, I admit as much), but I did not want people thinking I'm just hating on Tyson. I'm not just hating, I like Mike Tyson he was very fun to watch fight, he's an intriguing fellow but I'm realistic about his greatness.
the tyson that beat Spinks and Berbick and Holmes was unbeatable.
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Are you kidding? There's gotta be 20 bums out there that could've taken Tyson in his prime. Matter of fact... I'm waiting for Lyle to dredge up 20 more "no-names" that could've done the job. All they needed was a decent jab.... right Lyle?
But he's not a Tyson hater. No-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o.
Hell... Tyson wasn't even fit to carry Wlad's jockstrap.
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Its all Bullshit. When Mike wasnt being distracted by King and Givens he was on his way to matching the regard that Ali has. He was completely dominant and there was not one fighter around that stood any kind of chance with him because he excelled in so many aspects of boxing. He wasnt like Lewis or Holyfield or Wlad where people held their breath for when a big puncher landed on their chin (Holyfield was regarded as chinny back then).Quote:
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Are you kidding? There's gotta be 20 bums out there that could've taken Tyson in his prime. Matter of fact... I'm waiting for Lyle to dredge up 20 more "no-names" that could've done the job. All they needed was a decent jab.... right Lyle?
But he's not a Tyson hater. No-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o.
Hell... Tyson wasn't even fit to carry Wlad's jockstrap.
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People will not give him credit for the Holmes fight but I believe even that version of Holmes there isnt another fighter ever that could have done what Tyson did to him that night.
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Tua had a bigger frame? He was even smaller than Tyson! Just fatter!
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Both 5'10. Tysons prime weight was on average about 220, Tua's was about 230. The only fight in which tua was a fat lump in his prime was vs lews! What the hell he was thinking coming in at 245 in his biggest ever fight i dont know! Let's be real though, even that tua had lewis back peddling for 12 rounds, lewis walked through tyson with consumate ease! Tua doesn't look any smaller than tyson to me...
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Mike had no stamina! For fuck sakes... Even when getting stopped by Holyfield when he wasnt the same fighter that train right in the eighties and after being out for 4 years he was still there swining hard in the 11th! Against Douglas when he was hardly training at all and getting dropped hy sparring partners he was still fighting hard in the 10th.
Yet he struggled against donovan ruddock and buster douglas, even bummy botha was outboxing him LOL.Quote:
Tyson has an amazing combination of some of the very best attributes youd want in a fighter and this is against all the fighters in history. His speed, footwork, head movement, defence, chin, power and agression are all among the best ever.
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Tua was a fat lump that could cover up and throw left hooks and thats it. He never even wan a title and was never anything.
Even tua's not title winning expolits are on a par with the coke fuelled, dong king bums tyson rolled over to become linear champ!
Tua is only 5,9" and strip the fat off him and he wouldnt weigh a great deal over 210lb. When Tua turned pro he was 20 and only weighed 200lb, when Mike turned pro he was only 19 but weighed 214lb and was ripped! Yeah, Tua has the naturally bigger frame...Hes just a lazy fat lard arse.
He had 2 title shots against 2 champs, thats hardly being avoided. Both thse performances were shite. He didnt put the champs in any sort of danger or even win a round. Even the faded old Tyson wan a round against Lewis;D
He had his chances and blew them in boring fashion. He wasnt avoided, he just couldnt put a show on to become an attractive opponent to put on tv. Unless his opponent just stood in front of him, Tua had nothing.
Tyson has faced much bigger punchers than Tua has and world class fighters, rather than the roll call of fringe bums that Tua plodded along with. Tua would have done no better with the Holmes that Tyson faced than what Butterbean did with the ancient version;D
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tua wasnt good on hıs feet---tyson WAS. tyson got angles and punches from all dırtectıons. tua'!s arsenal was a sımple left hook and straıght rıoght.
Did I say that? Did I come close to saying that? No I didn't so don't try and misrepresent what I've posted.Quote:
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Are you kidding? There's gotta be 20 bums out there that could've taken Tyson in his prime. Matter of fact... I'm waiting for Lyle to dredge up 20 more "no-names" that could've done the job. All they needed was a decent jab.... right Lyle?
But he's not a Tyson hater. No-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o.
Hell... Tyson wasn't even fit to carry Wlad's jockstrap.
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As for all a guy needing is a "decent jab" to beat Tyson, no that's only a part of it, but I won't bother telling you anything else because you wouldn't read my explination anyway because you're a habitual shit stirrer.....don't care about facts, don't care about reasoning and being rational, you just care about stirring shit up and frankly I'm quite tired of you.
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Originally Posted by El KabongDid I say that? Did I come close to saying that? No I didn't so don't try and misrepresent what I've posted.Quote:
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Are you kidding? There's gotta be 20 bums out there that could've taken Tyson in his prime. Matter of fact... I'm waiting for Lyle to dredge up 20 more "no-names" that could've done the job. All they needed was a decent jab.... right Lyle?
But he's not a Tyson hater. No-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o.
Hell... Tyson wasn't even fit to carry Wlad's jockstrap.
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As for all a guy needing is a "decent jab" to beat Tyson, no that's only a part of it, but I won't bother telling you anything else because you wouldn't read my explination anyway because you're a habitual shit stirrer.....don't care about facts, don't care about reasoning and being rational, you just care about stirring shit up and frankly I'm quite tired of you.
Lighten up. I won't bother dredging up all the posts you've made discrediting Tyson and his career and his accomplishments because frankly it's too much work. I've seen how you get completely defensive about Wlad and any notion that Tyson might even have a chance against him. Then... when backed into a corner, you throw Tyson a bone and concede he might have a chance to beat Wlad if Wlad has one hand tied behind his back, is battling an intestinal bug, and Tyson can use the corner stool.
And spare me your temper tantrum.
I'm hardly the only guy on here you have regular scraps with.
You just don't like differing viewpoints, is all.
I've not discredited anything, I've simply got a different view than "The Mike Tyson that beat Spinks was unstoppable". I've said Tyson is great, it doesn't mean he's unbeatable. I've said there are flaws in the strategy Tyson used and I've shown that it plays out even with other fighters using that style.....but I guess none of that will get through to you.Quote:
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Originally Posted by El KabongI've not discredited anything, I've simply got a different view than "The Mike Tyson that beat Spinks was unstoppable". I've said Tyson is great, it doesn't mean he's unbeatable. I've said there are flaws in the strategy Tyson used and I've shown that it plays out even with other fighters using that style.....but I guess none of that will get through to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I'm not the world's biggest Tyson fan, Lyle. You're barking up the wrong tree. I just cringe when I see you write that any number of mediocre heavyweights of the past years could've beaten a prime Mike Tyson. You're so defensive of Wlad... that sometimes that can carry to being dismissive of other great heavyweights of the past.
I'm defensive of Wlad because he too is a great fighter and people are slow to respect fighters that are still fighting. When people try to tell me that the bums from other eras would beat Wladimir #1 It's wrong and #2 it's disrespectful.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
When I listed the boxers I thought could beat Tyson I was respectful and I was thoughtful. If people want to consider Ray Mercer a "bum" then fine, he certainly wasn't but whatever. Ray had a very inconsistent career but at one point in time do I think he had the skills & abilities to handle Mike Tyson? YES. Ray Mercer really pushed Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield, he had a chin, he had good fundamentals and he'd be around for 12 rounds vs Tyson who after about 5 rounds would start to show some wear because the pressure fighting style plus the power punching is taxing on stamina.
Well then its a shame Lewis is such a bitch because Mercer was signed up as a warm up opponent for Mike a few months before the Lewis fight. Mike wanted and needed someone that wasnt going to fall over in front of him and would give him rounds. Lewis was worried hed actually come to the fight prepared.
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Originally Posted by El KabongI'm defensive of Wlad because he too is a great fighter and people are slow to respect fighters that are still fighting. When people try to tell me that the bums from other eras would beat Wladimir #1 It's wrong and #2 it's disrespectful.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
When I listed the boxers I thought could beat Tyson I was respectful and I was thoughtful. If people want to consider Ray Mercer a "bum" then fine, he certainly wasn't but whatever. Ray had a very inconsistent career but at one point in time do I think he had the skills & abilities to handle Mike Tyson? YES. Ray Mercer really pushed Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield, he had a chin, he had good fundamentals and he'd be around for 12 rounds vs Tyson who after about 5 rounds would start to show some wear because the pressure fighting style plus the power punching is taxing on stamina.
You didn't stop at Mercer, Lyle.
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Originally Posted by El KabongJust 9? I mean 9 guys to beat a "Prime Tyson" doesn't necessarily mean these guys are all Top 10 Heavyweights of All-Time, but here it goes: Ali, Foreman, Holyfield, Lewis, Louis, Vitali, Holmes, Mercer, Bowe, Frazier, and personally I think Ernie Terrell would do a number on old Mike too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
So I have a couple questions #1 which do you disagree with ? #2 how is saying Tyson would lose to those guys disrespectful?Quote:
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Originally Posted by El KabongI'm defensive of Wlad because he too is a great fighter and people are slow to respect fighters that are still fighting. When people try to tell me that the bums from other eras would beat Wladimir #1 It's wrong and #2 it's disrespectful.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
When I listed the boxers I thought could beat Tyson I was respectful and I was thoughtful. If people want to consider Ray Mercer a "bum" then fine, he certainly wasn't but whatever. Ray had a very inconsistent career but at one point in time do I think he had the skills & abilities to handle Mike Tyson? YES. Ray Mercer really pushed Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield, he had a chin, he had good fundamentals and he'd be around for 12 rounds vs Tyson who after about 5 rounds would start to show some wear because the pressure fighting style plus the power punching is taxing on stamina.
You didn't stop at Mercer, Lyle.
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Originally Posted by El KabongJust 9? I mean 9 guys to beat a "Prime Tyson" doesn't necessarily mean these guys are all Top 10 Heavyweights of All-Time, but here it goes: Ali, Foreman, Holyfield, Lewis, Louis, Vitali, Holmes, Mercer, Bowe, Frazier, and personally I think Ernie Terrell would do a number on old Mike too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Bert Sugar said Wladimir Klitschko would lose to Primo Carnera...THAT is disrespectful
When Tyson got to Tokyo to fight Douglas he was weakened by various medications to treat "several" STDs he was carrying, he hadn't trained for the fight and was thirty pounds overweight. King's people put him in the sauna for a week to try and get him looking relatively normal so he wouldn't look like a big fat bastard on fight night. He was ignoring his trainers and his corner was shambolic, they were using a condom filled with water because they didn't have an icepack. Etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongErroneous...Buster Douglas was not a huge puncher but he outlasted Tyson and why??? Because he was bigger and made Tyson work for everything he got. I stand by my picksQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
If a remotely close to fit/prime Tyson had turned up the fight would have been over a lot faster than Holyfield-Douglas was.
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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
If it's a prime Tyson, no offense to Tua but he's getting steam rolled inside of 4. Tua was a very hard pucher but Tyson was perhaps hitting harder plus he was faster, more dynamic and his 2-3-4 combos were just devastating. There is no way Tua could have better than "from slim to none" chances in that one.
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Originally Posted by El KabongSo I have a couple questions #1 which do you disagree with ? #2 how is saying Tyson would lose to those guys disrespectful?Quote:
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Originally Posted by El KabongI'm defensive of Wlad because he too is a great fighter and people are slow to respect fighters that are still fighting. When people try to tell me that the bums from other eras would beat Wladimir #1 It's wrong and #2 it's disrespectful.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
When I listed the boxers I thought could beat Tyson I was respectful and I was thoughtful. If people want to consider Ray Mercer a "bum" then fine, he certainly wasn't but whatever. Ray had a very inconsistent career but at one point in time do I think he had the skills & abilities to handle Mike Tyson? YES. Ray Mercer really pushed Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield, he had a chin, he had good fundamentals and he'd be around for 12 rounds vs Tyson who after about 5 rounds would start to show some wear because the pressure fighting style plus the power punching is taxing on stamina.
You didn't stop at Mercer, Lyle.
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Originally Posted by El KabongJust 9? I mean 9 guys to beat a "Prime Tyson" doesn't necessarily mean these guys are all Top 10 Heavyweights of All-Time, but here it goes: Ali, Foreman, Holyfield, Lewis, Louis, Vitali, Holmes, Mercer, Bowe, Frazier, and personally I think Ernie Terrell would do a number on old Mike too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Bert Sugar said Wladimir Klitschko would lose to Primo Carnera...THAT is disrespectful
Lyle.............. Bowe?? You know how you've slagged on Bowe (and I've been right behind you).
THAT, Lyle.... is disrespectful.
Ernie Terrell? C'mon, man.
And no disrespect to the great Smokin' Joe, but Frazier? Tyson murders even a prime Frazier inside of 5 rounds. Joe never got hit with anything like what Tyson would have to offer, at least not from Ali. And Foreman? Foreman was big and powerful... but his punches were slower and more telegraphed. Tyson would've landed a powerful combo on Joe's head faster than you could blink.
Again, I'm not the world's biggest Tyson fan..... but give the guy his just due.
Some say tyson had douglas down on the canvas for ten seconds anyway...wonder how that would have changed history.
Tyson was out of it by then anyway.
Just think what sort of fighter he would have been if cus was still alive.
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Originally Posted by imp
Yes I know how I've slagged on Bowe, so you're saying there's no chance he can beat Tyson? I don't think that at all. I think Bowe could have had his spots vs Tyson and what it would boil down to is could Bowe take the punches....if he could he'd win by KO if not then he'd lose by KO.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Ernie Terrell was HUGE and he only got stopped 2 times in his career. 1 vs Cleveland Williams and 1 the last fight of his very long career. He was 6'6 and had an 82" reach, more of a boxer than a power puncher so he'd have to keep pumping those punches out and not get gunshy. He was also a guy who would try to be a bully in the ring.
Joe Frazier did take a few rounds to warm up, I admit that and Tyson did come out with both barrels blazing....but each round that passes Frazier gets stronger, Frazier builds up momentum and Tyson starts losing it.
Now George Foreman is where I draw the damn line...Mike Tyson didn't even want to fight 45 year old George Foreman what would he do with a younger version??? George Foreman was meaner and tougher and nastier than anything in the darkest depths of Tyson's nightmares and Big George would run roughshod over Tyson.
Oh come on....Tyson would have still been bipolar, he would have still burned out early because that's how pressure fighters work. If you're a pressure fighter in your mid 20's then congrats you've gone as far as you'll ever go just look at the guys who used the style.Quote:
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Originally Posted by El KabongYes I know how I've slagged on Bowe, so you're saying there's no chance he can beat Tyson? I don't think that at all. I think Bowe could have had his spots vs Tyson and what it would boil down to is could Bowe take the punches....if he could he'd win by KO if not then he'd lose by KO.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Ernie Terrell was HUGE and he only got stopped 2 times in his career. 1 vs Cleveland Williams and 1 the last fight of his very long career. He was 6'6 and had an 82" reach, more of a boxer than a power puncher so he'd have to keep pumping those punches out and not get gunshy. He was also a guy who would try to be a bully in the ring.
Joe Frazier did take a few rounds to warm up, I admit that and Tyson did come out with both barrels blazing....but each round that passes Frazier gets stronger, Frazier builds up momentum and Tyson starts losing it.
Now George Foreman is where I draw the damn line...Mike Tyson didn't even want to fight 45 year old George Foreman what would he do with a younger version??? George Foreman was meaner and tougher and nastier than anything in the darkest depths of Tyson's nightmares and Big George would run roughshod over Tyson.
You misunderstood and I can see why now that I reread my post. When I said "And Foreman?" I wasn't referring to Tyson vs. Foreman. I was finishing my point about Frazier. That Frazier took everything Ali could dish out, but would not be able to the same against Tyson. And that if people want to say that Foreman only knocked Frazier out because he was bigger and stronger, thus implying that Tyson wouldn't be able to...... my answer is that Big George's punches to Frazier were slower and a bit more telegraphed than anything Tyson would throw at Frazier.
For the record, I think Tyson has very little chance against a prime Foreman.
Foreman was downright scary.
I disagree I think prime Tyson beats Prime Foreman but certainly he would have beaten the old one that came out looking for him before prison.
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I can see why you'd feel that way, and certainly if they fought 10 times, I don't think either man takes the 10 fights. But with Foreman I think of the combination of size, power, and attitude. He was mean... and he wanted to decapitate you then and there. Many of Tyson's victims were beaten before they stepped into the ring. (Regardless... scared or not, I think Tyson still takes them all). But Foreman again had that combination of factors. It would've been an awesome fight, and maybe a matter of who connected first.
...which would bring me to Ron Lyle a guy who had an awesome career considering the time he lost out on and how he almost died in prison because he was stabbed. Ron Lyle, not that he would necessarily beat Tyson but I think he'd be around the Bruno, James Smith, Donovan Ruddock area.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Master
I can see why you'd feel that way, and certainly if they fought 10 times, I don't think either man takes the 10 fights. But with Foreman I think of the combination of size, power, and attitude. He was mean... and he wanted to decapitate you then and there. Many of Tyson's victims were beaten before they stepped into the ring. (Regardless... scared or not, I think Tyson still takes them all). But Foreman again had that combination of factors. It would've been an awesome fight, and maybe a matter of who connected first.
But what Ron Lyle tells us about a Foreman-Tyson fight is that Big George could get back up and win....Iron Mike never did that