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Re: Victor Ortiz is a quiter
I maintain that Ortiz has the skills to beat Maidana. He got carried away trying to slug it out with a stronger fighter. When he quit, it looked like he had a golf ball under his eye and the Teenage Mutant Nina Turtles got a shot at his other eye.
To me it did sound like he was considering quitting boxing altogether. Not that he had made up his mind, but he was considering it. It is easy to imagine the Ortiz was overwhelmed in every sense of the word. GBP talking him up as the next big thing, HBO talking him up as indestructable.
So much pressure inside and outside the ring. Some people can't handle it, it's the way of things.
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Many threads on why people give Khan a hard time already, but it's not down to him being an arrogant prick! :rolleyes:
He's no different to any other boxer hyping himself up.
As for Ortiz I haven't seen the fight, anyone know where it'll get uploaded first? Damn UK TV boxing coverage...
Really cause pretty much saying he is great because he beat a one eyed MAB is being an arrogant prick in my book. I could revisit those threads as well and point out where people would agree with me as I have read those
Could you post a link to the interview Khan gave where he said he was a great because of the Barrera win, thanks
“To beat a legend the way I did, it’s a massive highlight in my career, and it will take me on to the next level, get me known around the world and get a lot bigger fights,”
Amir Khan Beats Marco Antonio Barrera: Olympic Silver Medalist Triumphs Over Baby-Faced Assassin | Suite101.com
there is one i can look for more later.
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Ortiz bit off more than he could chew but it was the referee that agreed with the ring doctor. Ortiz' only fault was he didn't stick to his original plan.
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Really cause pretty much saying he is great because he beat a one eyed MAB is being an arrogant prick in my book. I could revisit those threads as well and point out where people would agree with me as I have read those
Could you post a link to the interview Khan gave where he said he was a great because of the Barrera win, thanks
“To beat a legend the way I did, it’s a massive highlight in my career, and it will take me on to the next level, get me known around the world and get a lot bigger fights,”
Amir Khan Beats Marco Antonio Barrera: Olympic Silver Medalist Triumphs Over Baby-Faced Assassin | Suite101.com
there is one i can look for more later.
Grr! Don't get me started on that prize muppet!
What a wonderful way to get a victory over a legend. A dodgy butt and a shady stoppage only after victory was ensured! Should have been a NC. I sound like an old gramophone on this issue! :mad:
Ortiz sounds like DLH and comes across just as cheesy. It was probably a good thing it ended like it did. He's been getting too much hype and was found sorely lacking in the heart department.
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Ortiz might just need a new trainer and absolutely needs to work more on his defense.
Quite a few people here has mentioned that he had the ability to outbox Maidana but came into the fight the wrong way, which I would agree.
Even though I wasn't quite respectful of what happened to MAB in that Khan fight, but at least with a new trainer Khan showed quite an improvement in his defense and ring smarts.
Ortiz probably needs a new trainer to get him back on track.
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Ortiz might just need a new trainer and absolutely needs to work more on his defense.
Quite a few people here has mentioned that he had the ability to outbox Maidana but came into the fight the wrong way, which I would agree.
Even though I wasn't quite respectful of what happened to MAB in that Khan fight, but at least with a new trainer Khan showed quite an improvement in his defense and ring smarts.
Ortiz probably needs a new trainer to get him back on track.
The problem though is it wasn't his trainer, it was him choosing to deviate from the gameplan.
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Really cause pretty much saying he is great because he beat a one eyed MAB is being an arrogant prick in my book. I could revisit those threads as well and point out where people would agree with me as I have read those
Could you post a link to the interview Khan gave where he said he was a great because of the Barrera win, thanks
“To beat a legend the way I did, it’s a massive highlight in my career, and it will take me on to the next level, get me known around the world and get a lot bigger fights,”
Amir Khan Beats Marco Antonio Barrera: Olympic Silver Medalist Triumphs Over Baby-Faced Assassin | Suite101.com
there is one i can look for more later.
Everything Khan said is perfectly accurate. Barrera is a legend, Khan did beat him, and the victory (disputed or not) will certainly increase his exposure and lead to bigger fights (ie a Kotelnik title match). Nowhere does he brag and he never once calls himself great or lauds himself in any way in the quote you provided.
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Lost so much respect for this rising prospect after the way he gave up.
Lost
respect for him? Why? what's the toughest fight you've been in>
I'm sure those boxes of doughnuts be giving him a hard
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Lost so much respect for this rising prospect after the way he gave up.
Lost
respect for him? Why? what's the toughest fight you've been in>
I'm sure those boxes of doughnuts be giving him a hard
whose side are you on VD?
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Lost respect for him? Why? what's the toughest fight you've been in>
I'm sure those boxes of doughnuts be giving him a hard
whose side are you on VD?
Neither. . But what he's saying is actually true. It's idiotic to lose respect for Ortiz in that fight. I think Ortiz was speaking like a biitch in the interview. But to lose respect for him after that fight, I can't do that
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Ortiz bit off more than he could chew but it was the referee that agreed with the ring doctor. Ortiz' only fault was he didn't stick to his original plan.
I'm positive that Ortiz looked like he was going to climb out of the ring before the ref called the doc over.
That's how I remember it. Ortiz turning sideways and acting sheepish, then the ref calling in the doctor.
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why hate on the guy, I hate this shit fans deeming a guy a quiter or some such nonsense. It's boxing, they get hurt, he got taged hard numerous times, and like he said he'd like to be able to speak in old age. I respect guys whom aren't to proud to throw in the towel, nothing wrong with that. I like boxing but hate to see anyone ever hurt in the sport, and guys usually get hurt cause they're to proud to quit or cause the ref or corner aren't throwing in the towel. Good fight, nothing wrong with ortiz's decision those were some bombs he took
My thoughts as well. This is a sport and while I love the blood and guts aspect the ultimate goal should be to protect the health of the fighters. He got up from the canvass once and put his opponent down several times after.
Maidana was able to dig deeper and credit to him for doing so, but if he (maidana) chose to quit I wouldn't have blamed him either. Both guys took a lot of punishment and delivered a very exciting fight.
I think Ortiz is smart guy for quiting when he did and had guts enough to finish a post fight interview after a devastating lost. Most guys would've left the ring immediately with tears in their throat. He'll get over it and will come back and learn from the lost.
I like many others hope that Maidana gets a world class trainer and quickly. He reminds a lot of Ricardo Torres. Great power and talent but could needs polishing.
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Everything Khan said is perfectly accurate. Barrera is a legend, Khan did beat him, and the victory (disputed or not) will certainly increase his exposure and lead to bigger fights (ie a Kotelnik title match). Nowhere does he brag and he never once calls himself great or lauds himself in any way in the quote you provided.
well i beg to differ, saying "to beat a legend the way i did" implies he destroyed him when in fact MAB was a one eyed fighter out there due to a butt in the first round.
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I never thought ortiz was a top level exponent at 140 and he barely scraped the 2nd tier of fighters even before maidana took him apart.
Shame he didnt go down with a bit of grace and take his lumps like a man as he would of had half a chance to win the fight.
But marcos just owned him for most of the night and apart from the flash knockdowns was never going to be troubled by ortiz.
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Everything Khan said is perfectly accurate. Barrera is a legend, Khan did beat him, and the victory (disputed or not) will certainly increase his exposure and lead to bigger fights (ie a Kotelnik title match). Nowhere does he brag and he never once calls himself great or lauds himself in any way in the quote you provided.
well i beg to differ, saying "to beat a legend the way i did" implies he destroyed him when in fact MAB was a one eyed fighter out there due to a butt in the first round.
That quote could mean anything. Maybe "the way I did" means to come back after a devestating KO loss and defeat a legend (albeit one who is well past his best), winning every round.
I'm just saying that the quote is ambiguous as best, and nowhere does he call himself great or say anything out of the ordinary. In fact, in terms of boxers talking themselves up that quote is very tame and I see no reason to get bent out of shape about it.
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There's nothing wrong with what Ortiz did, it was his choice and its not like he pulled a Derrick Gainer during the fight.
But face it part of the fascination with boxing is seeing guys who are willing to lay everything on the line, who are wired like most people aren't really. Diego Corrales, Morales, etc. We have some internet warriors who post with bad intentions regularly but that's not really the same thing. And Ortiz doesn't seem to be wired like a Corrales either. It doesn't mean he's a coward, he gave a good effort, just wilted under the pressure and didn't react well to the cut.
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There's nothing wrong with what Ortiz did, it was his choice and its not like he pulled a Derrick Gainer during the fight.
But face it part of the fascination with boxing is seeing guys who are willing to lay everything on the line, who are wired like most people aren't really. Diego Corrales, Morales, etc. We have some internet warriors who post with bad intentions regularly but that's not really the same thing. And Ortiz doesn't seem to be wired like a Corrales either. It doesn't mean he's a coward, he gave a good effort, just wilted under the pressure and didn't react well to the cut.
When Joe Frazier was asked if he would have come out the last round knowing he could very well die and he simply said "yes."
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I will reserve judgment on him and his career until his next fight. No question he is a promising fighter...but he needs to learn a lesson from this fight. If he has good heart and character...he will learn form his mistakes and come back strong. If not...well...he might just be another hyped fighter that couldn't take that next step. We should all wait and see before we assume it's the end of line for him.
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Everything Khan said is perfectly accurate. Barrera is a legend, Khan did beat him, and the victory (disputed or not) will certainly increase his exposure and lead to bigger fights (ie a Kotelnik title match). Nowhere does he brag and he never once calls himself great or lauds himself in any way in the quote you provided.
well i beg to differ, saying "to beat a legend the way i did" implies he destroyed him when in fact MAB was a one eyed fighter out there due to a butt in the first round.
That quote could mean anything. Maybe "the way I did" means to come back after a devestating KO loss and defeat a legend (albeit one who is well past his best), winning every round.
I'm just saying that the quote is ambiguous as best, and nowhere does he call himself great or say anything out of the ordinary. In fact, in terms of boxers talking themselves up that quote is very tame and I see no reason to get bent out of shape about it.
fair enough, point taken :)
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Again I don't think he is so much a quitter. Even so people that have quit in fights before still had great careers or wasn't taken away from them. He fought the wrong style for the fight and acknowledged it. And I think it was smart of him to say he shouldnt be taking punishment or get beat up that way. Max Kellerman is an idiot for trying to put a negative spin on it saying he didn't wanna go out on his shield when thats not at all what he said. He said he would never end a fight on his back and would stay in there. That means he wants to fight it out and just lay on the canvas knocked out. And when he said he shouldnt be getting beat up like that he didn't mean he didn't want to be a boxer because he got hurt, he meant that he should have been fighting his fight and boxing rather then fighting the other guys fight and taking unnessesary punishment. But I wouldnt expect Max to understand that.
I don't know what language you watched that interview in but he certainly didn't mean it the way you say.
Asked by Kellerman why he quit his exact words were 'You know I was hurt. I'm not going to go out on my back, I'm not going to lay down for anyone, I'd rather just say I'm going to stop whilst I'm ahead and speak well when I'm older you know.'
He then went on to say that he was young and didn't think he deserved to get beat up like this and that he had a lot of thinking of do.
I don't think it implies he's quitting boxing but he clearly and unequiviqually without any doubt whatsoever made it clear he'd rather pull out of a fight before he got knocked out and that he doesn't want to risk long term injury in the sport.
Not that I think there is anything wrong with that particularly, I mean boxing is a sport at the end of the day, it's not a forced fight to the death. It's inevitable that there will be some kind of fan backlash and they will likely not want to be so quick to support a guy who won't leave everything in the ring but that is entirely his right, its his career, his health and his life and if he values his health and safety more than the accolades of being known as someone who fights to his limits and beyond there is nobody who can say that is wrong.
But don't rewrite what he said, he's not a do or die fighter, maybe in life, but not in the ring and he's admitted as much.
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I never thought ortiz was a top level exponent at 140 and he barely scraped the 2nd tier of fighters even before maidana took him apart.
Shame he didnt go down with a bit of grace and take his lumps like a man as he would of had half a chance to win the fight.
But marcos just owned him for most of the night and apart from the flash knockdowns was never going to be troubled by ortiz.
:vd:
I get up at 2am on a sunday morning to watch HBO/Showtime telecasts on a shitty internet stream why.....because i love the sport with a passion
You probably just TIVO`d the whole thing and skipped through till the end just because your hard drive was full up with pee wee playhouse and judge judy
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I never thought ortiz was a top level exponent at 140 and he barely scraped the 2nd tier of fighters even before maidana took him apart.
Shame he didnt go down with a bit of grace and take his lumps like a man as he would of had half a chance to win the fight.
But marcos just owned him for most of the night and apart from the flash knockdowns was never going to be troubled by ortiz.
:vd:
I get up at 2am on a sunday morning to watch HBO/Showtime telecasts on a shitty internet stream why.....because i love the sport with a passion
You probably just TIVO`d the whole thing and skipped through till the end just because your hard drive was full up with pee wee playhouse and judge judy
i've seen the fight already 4 times, and there were NO flash knock downs from either fighter, they all came from hard, solid shots, and both were hurt
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I never thought ortiz was a top level exponent at 140 and he barely scraped the 2nd tier of fighters even before maidana took him apart.
Shame he didnt go down with a bit of grace and take his lumps like a man as he would of had half a chance to win the fight.
But marcos just owned him for most of the night and apart from the flash knockdowns was never going to be troubled by ortiz.
:vd:
I get up at 2am on a sunday morning to watch HBO/Showtime telecasts on a shitty internet stream why.....because i love the sport with a passion
You probably just TIVO`d the whole thing and skipped through till the end just because your hard drive was full up with pee wee playhouse and judge judy
you crack me up with your proclamations and spin on fights. You could have been looking thru a steamy shower door with 2 black eyes and could tell they were stiff flush shots. I mean cmon man, why dont you own up to your mistakes or preface your comments with things like,
hey guys from my fuzzy stream they looked like flash knockdowns.
But no, you wheel off some asanine horseshit and state it like known fact, meanwhile everyone is shaking their head at you wondering what planet your from half the time
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:vd: Stick to sucking Hatton. Those weren't flash knock downs. I doubt you even saw the fight
I get up at 2am on a sunday morning to watch HBO/Showtime telecasts on a shitty internet stream why.....because i love the sport with a passion
You probably just TIVO`d the whole thing and skipped through till the end just because your hard drive was full up with pee wee playhouse and judge judy
you crack me up with your proclamations and spin on fights. You could have been looking thru a steamy shower door with 2 black eyes and could tell they were stiff flush shots. I mean cmon man, why dont you own up to your mistakes or preface your comments with things like,
hey guys from my fuzzy stream they looked like flash knockdowns.
But no, you wheel off some asanine horseshit and state it like known fact, meanwhile everyone is shaking their head at you wondering what planet your from half the time
98% of knockdowns are via "stiff flush shots". Calzaghe got knocked down twice against hopkins and jones with "stiff flush shots" didnt mean he was in trouble on either occasion.
Sure maidana inparticularly looked groggy in the 2nd and walked on to monster punches. But on both occasions he neither took a heavy 8 count or displayed a fighter who wasnt able to defend himself sufficently.
I saw maidana take much heavier punches against kotelnik and brush them off, on this occasion he got laid out 3 times but on none of the occasions did he appear to be out of it.
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98% of knockdowns are via "stiff flush shots". Calzaghe got knocked down twice against hopkins and jones with "stiff flush shots" didnt mean he was in trouble on either occasion.
Sure maidana inparticularly looked groggy in the 2nd and walked on to monster punches. But on both occasions he neither took a heavy 8 count or displayed a fighter who wasnt able to defend himself sufficently.
I saw maidana take much heavier punches against kotelnik and brush them off, on this occasion he got laid out 3 times but on none of the occasions did he appear to be out of it.
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there were NO flash knockdowns in the Ortiz/Maidana fight, Calzaghe/Hopkins wasn't a flash knockdown either, he didn't do shit for the remainder of the round, why? cause he felt the punch, he recovered and then the fight went on, Jones/Calzaghe was a flash knockdown, that wasn't even caused by a punch, he hit Joe with his forearm, best example of a flash knockdown was Cotto/Clottey, he went down from a jab and then got up fine
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98% of knockdowns are via "stiff flush shots". Calzaghe got knocked down twice against hopkins and jones with "stiff flush shots" didnt mean he was in trouble on either occasion.
Sure maidana inparticularly looked groggy in the 2nd and walked on to monster punches. But on both occasions he neither took a heavy 8 count or displayed a fighter who wasnt able to defend himself sufficently.
I saw maidana take much heavier punches against kotelnik and brush them off, on this occasion he got laid out 3 times but on none of the occasions did he appear to be out of it.
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People may not always like VD's style of posting, but the fact is he is at least one of the 5 most knowledgeable posters on this site. I may not agree with everything he says but the man knows his boxing better than probably all but Galaxy, Mick & Killer.
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:vd: . How is it that Maidana can take heavier punches from Kotelnik when Ortiz hits twice as hard as Kotelnik? It's not possible. That pretty much proves you didn't even see the fight.
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nah, that title went to EDIT, and it's simple you make idiotic statements like the one you just did and well you get thrashed for it, there were NO flash knockdowns in the Ortiz/Maidana fight, Calzaghe/Hopkins wasn't a flash knockdown either, he didn't do shit for the remainder of the round, why? cause he felt the punch, he recovered and then the fight went on, Jones/Calzaghe was a flash knockdown, that wasn't even caused by a punch, he hit Joe with his forearm, best example of a flash knockdown was Cotto/Clottey, he went down from a jab and then got up fine
I think Calzaghe was more hurt from the Jones knockdown than the Hopkins one. He looked dazed getting up against Jones imo.
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nah, that title went to EDIT, and it's simple you make idiotic statements like the one you just did and well you get thrashed for it, there were NO flash knockdowns in the Ortiz/Maidana fight, Calzaghe/Hopkins wasn't a flash knockdown either, he didn't do shit for the remainder of the round, why? cause he felt the punch, he recovered and then the fight went on, Jones/Calzaghe was a flash knockdown, that wasn't even caused by a punch, he hit Joe with his forearm, best example of a flash knockdown was Cotto/Clottey, he went down from a jab and then got up fine
I think Calzaghe was more hurt from the Jones knockdown than the Hopkins one. He looked dazed getting up against Jones imo.
I agree. He was badly hurt by Jones.
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nah, that title went to EDIT, and it's simple you make idiotic statements like the one you just did and well you get thrashed for it, there were NO flash knockdowns in the Ortiz/Maidana fight, Calzaghe/Hopkins wasn't a flash knockdown either, he didn't do shit for the remainder of the round, why? cause he felt the punch, he recovered and then the fight went on, Jones/Calzaghe was a flash knockdown, that wasn't even caused by a punch, he hit Joe with his forearm, best example of a flash knockdown was Cotto/Clottey, he went down from a jab and then got up fine
I think Calzaghe was more hurt from the Jones knockdown than the Hopkins one. He looked dazed getting up against Jones imo.
I agree. He was badly hurt by Jones.
lol hoooooooooooowever it may be, it was a shot from Jones' forearm, not a punch, rewatch it, it's clear on the re-play
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I think Calzaghe was more hurt from the Jones knockdown than the Hopkins one. He looked dazed getting up against Jones imo.
I agree. He was badly hurt by Jones.
lol hoooooooooooowever it may be, it was a shot from Jones' forearm, not a punch, rewatch it, it's clear on the re-play
It was a forearm, I never disputed that. All Bilbo (and myself) said was that he was hurt worse by Jones.
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I agree. He was badly hurt by Jones.
lol hoooooooooooowever it may be, it was a shot from Jones' forearm, not a punch, rewatch it, it's clear on the re-play
It was a forearm, I never disputed that. All Bilbo (and myself) said was that he was hurt worse by Jones.
alright alright, i re-watched it and he was wobbly, his legs seemed a bit gone
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I have to say it's interesting that people post so much emphasis on what Ortiz said post-fight when he was most likely concussed. It's funny that boxers are often expected to give interviews after having their head pounded, I remember people giving Cotto crap for leaving the ring after the Margarito fight, even though it seemed like half his head was about to fall off
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Wow :o
Didnt expect oritz to just give up like that, he was still winning but Maidana is a warrior. That guy came out the 6th round with mean intention, seem like he knew he could make Ortiz quit. Its bizarre how Ortiz corner kept telling him they will stop the fight and Ortiz was not responsive. Ortiz got caught with some good shots on the fifth round but he was still winning, what did i miss? why in the world would a corner suggest stoping a fight their fighter is winning? The fight was a good one but its just awful how a guy named Vicious would just quit after a knockdown far from worst than the first kd he suffered.
I respect what Ortiz said in his interview, he has all the right to discontinue fighting if he feels like he has had enough. Im just shocked he gave up on that fight. He was winning and Maidana is the one who suffered from the worst of the beatings.
This is a bit similar to Izzy Rafa I, Izzy quit and knew he had enough but knew if he fights another day he could win the next bout. However Izzy had a legit injury, Ortiz just gave up....if he gets a rematch with Maidana i still think he would win. So much for the heart of a champion quality, every spectator looks for in a fighter.
Do you guys think Ortiz can be a celebrated champion? his only 22 but his gonna go through a hell of a lot worst beating then that. He needs to think if he really wants to be in boxing cause you can't just quit when your not even getting pounded that bad.
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I do believe he has shaken the monkey off his back. Perspective. Also just noticed quitter has two t's :-X
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I do believe he has shaken the monkey off his back. Perspective. Also just noticed quitter has two t's :-X
Ortiz now is like a soldier's boots we spit on him now look he's shiny:D
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To be sure, he pretty earned that reputation back then. Last night he certainly wiped the slate clean. Lampley, who is well-known for his dramatic exaggerations, nevertheless hit the nail on the head when he exclaimed:
"Ortiz is fighting like a man possessed."
He certainly was.
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I do believe he has shaken the monkey off his back. Perspective. Also just noticed quitter has two t's :-X
I guess he just found something worth going out on his shield for :p
