Victor Ortiz is a quiter

[markb018]

Could you post a link to the interview Khan gave where he said he was a great because of the Barrera win, thanks

“To beat a legend the way I did, it’s a massive highlight in my career, and it will take me on to the next level, get me known around the world and get a lot bigger fights,”

Amir Khan Beats Marco Antonio Barrera: Olympic Silver Medalist Triumphs Over Baby-Faced Assassin | Suite101.com

there is one i can look for more later.

Everything Khan said is perfectly accurate. Barrera is a legend, Khan did beat him, and the victory (disputed or not) will certainly increase his exposure and lead to bigger fights (ie a Kotelnik title match). Nowhere does he brag and he never once calls himself great or lauds himself in any way in the quote you provided.

well i beg to differ, saying "to beat a legend the way i did" implies he destroyed him when in fact MAB was a one eyed fighter out there due to a butt in the first round.

[HattonTheHammer]

I never thought ortiz was a top level exponent at 140 and he barely scraped the 2nd tier of fighters even before maidana took him apart.

Shame he didnt go down with a bit of grace and take his lumps like a man as he would of had half a chance to win the fight.

But marcos just owned him for most of the night and apart from the flash knockdowns was never going to be troubled by ortiz.

[HattonTheHammer]

I never thought ortiz was a top level exponent at 140 and he barely scraped the 2nd tier of fighters even before maidana took him apart.

Shame he didnt go down with a bit of grace and take his lumps like a man as he would of had half a chance to win the fight.

But marcos just owned him for most of the night and apart from the flash knockdowns was never going to be troubled by ortiz.

I get up at 2am on a sunday morning to watch HBO/Showtime telecasts on a shitty internet stream why.....because i love the sport with a passion

You probably just TIVO`d the whole thing and skipped through till the end just because your hard drive was full up with pee wee playhouse and judge judy

[ElTerribleMorales]

I never thought ortiz was a top level exponent at 140 and he barely scraped the 2nd tier of fighters even before maidana took him apart.

Shame he didnt go down with a bit of grace and take his lumps like a man as he would of had half a chance to win the fight.

But marcos just owned him for most of the night and apart from the flash knockdowns was never going to be troubled by ortiz.

I get up at 2am on a sunday morning to watch HBO/Showtime telecasts on a shitty internet stream why.....because i love the sport with a passion

You probably just TIVO`d the whole thing and skipped through till the end just because your hard drive was full up with pee wee playhouse and judge judy

i've seen the fight already 4 times, and there were NO flash knock downs from either fighter, they all came from hard, solid shots, and both were hurt

[JT Rock]

I never thought ortiz was a top level exponent at 140 and he barely scraped the 2nd tier of fighters even before maidana took him apart.

Shame he didnt go down with a bit of grace and take his lumps like a man as he would of had half a chance to win the fight.

But marcos just owned him for most of the night and apart from the flash knockdowns was never going to be troubled by ortiz.

I get up at 2am on a sunday morning to watch HBO/Showtime telecasts on a shitty internet stream why.....because i love the sport with a passion

You probably just TIVO`d the whole thing and skipped through till the end just because your hard drive was full up with pee wee playhouse and judge judy

you crack me up with your proclamations and spin on fights. You could have been looking thru a steamy shower door with 2 black eyes and could tell they were stiff flush shots. I mean cmon man, why dont you own up to your mistakes or preface your comments with things like,

hey guys from my fuzzy stream they looked like flash knockdowns.

But no, you wheel off some asanine horseshit and state it like known fact, meanwhile everyone is shaking their head at you wondering what planet your from half the time

[HattonTheHammer]

Stick to sucking Hatton. Those weren't flash knock downs. I doubt you even saw the fight

I get up at 2am on a sunday morning to watch HBO/Showtime telecasts on a shitty internet stream why.....because i love the sport with a passion

You probably just TIVO`d the whole thing and skipped through till the end just because your hard drive was full up with pee wee playhouse and judge judy

you crack me up with your proclamations and spin on fights. You could have been looking thru a steamy shower door with 2 black eyes and could tell they were stiff flush shots. I mean cmon man, why dont you own up to your mistakes or preface your comments with things like,

hey guys from my fuzzy stream they looked like flash knockdowns.

But no, you wheel off some asanine horseshit and state it like known fact, meanwhile everyone is shaking their head at you wondering what planet your from half the time

98% of knockdowns are via "stiff flush shots". Calzaghe got knocked down twice against hopkins and jones with "stiff flush shots" didnt mean he was in trouble on either occasion.

Sure maidana inparticularly looked groggy in the 2nd and walked on to monster punches. But on both occasions he neither took a heavy 8 count or displayed a fighter who wasnt able to defend himself sufficently.

I saw maidana take much heavier punches against kotelnik and brush them off, on this occasion he got laid out 3 times but on none of the occasions did he appear to be out of it.

[ElTerribleMorales]

[quote=hattonthehammer;754735][quote=Violent Demise;754731]

98% of knockdowns are via "stiff flush shots". Calzaghe got knocked down twice against hopkins and jones with "stiff flush shots" didnt mean he was in trouble on either occasion.

Sure maidana inparticularly looked groggy in the 2nd and walked on to monster punches. But on both occasions he neither took a heavy 8 count or displayed a fighter who wasnt able to defend himself sufficently.

I saw maidana take much heavier punches against kotelnik and brush them off, on this occasion he got laid out 3 times but on none of the occasions did he appear to be out of it.

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there were NO flash knockdowns in the Ortiz/Maidana fight, Calzaghe/Hopkins wasn't a flash knockdown either, he didn't do shit for the remainder of the round, why? cause he felt the punch, he recovered and then the fight went on, Jones/Calzaghe was a flash knockdown, that wasn't even caused by a punch, he hit Joe with his forearm, best example of a flash knockdown was Cotto/Clottey, he went down from a jab and then got up fine

[Kev]

[quote=ElTerribleMorales;754746]

. How is it that Maidana can take heavier punches from Kotelnik when Ortiz hits twice as hard as Kotelnik? It's not possible. That pretty much proves you didn't even see the fight.

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nah, that title went to EDIT, and it's simple you make idiotic statements like the one you just did and well you get thrashed for it, there were NO flash knockdowns in the Ortiz/Maidana fight, Calzaghe/Hopkins wasn't a flash knockdown either, he didn't do shit for the remainder of the round, why? cause he felt the punch, he recovered and then the fight went on, Jones/Calzaghe was a flash knockdown, that wasn't even caused by a punch, he hit Joe with his forearm, best example of a flash knockdown was Cotto/Clottey, he went down from a jab and then got up fine

I think Calzaghe was more hurt from the Jones knockdown than the Hopkins one. He looked dazed getting up against Jones imo.

[JazMerkin]

[quote=hattonthehammer;754735][quote=Violent Demise;754731]

98% of knockdowns are via "stiff flush shots". Calzaghe got knocked down twice against hopkins and jones with "stiff flush shots" didnt mean he was in trouble on either occasion.

Sure maidana inparticularly looked groggy in the 2nd and walked on to monster punches. But on both occasions he neither took a heavy 8 count or displayed a fighter who wasnt able to defend himself sufficently.

I saw maidana take much heavier punches against kotelnik and brush them off, on this occasion he got laid out 3 times but on none of the occasions did he appear to be out of it.

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People may not always like VD's style of posting, but the fact is he is at least one of the 5 most knowledgeable posters on this site. I may not agree with everything he says but the man knows his boxing better than probably all but Galaxy, Mick & Killer.

[CFH]

“To beat a legend the way I did, it’s a massive highlight in my career, and it will take me on to the next level, get me known around the world and get a lot bigger fights,”

Amir Khan Beats Marco Antonio Barrera: Olympic Silver Medalist Triumphs Over Baby-Faced Assassin | Suite101.com

there is one i can look for more later.

Everything Khan said is perfectly accurate. Barrera is a legend, Khan did beat him, and the victory (disputed or not) will certainly increase his exposure and lead to bigger fights (ie a Kotelnik title match). Nowhere does he brag and he never once calls himself great or lauds himself in any way in the quote you provided.

well i beg to differ, saying "to beat a legend the way i did" implies he destroyed him when in fact MAB was a one eyed fighter out there due to a butt in the first round.

That quote could mean anything. Maybe "the way I did" means to come back after a devestating KO loss and defeat a legend (albeit one who is well past his best), winning every round.

I'm just saying that the quote is ambiguous as best, and nowhere does he call himself great or say anything out of the ordinary. In fact, in terms of boxers talking themselves up that quote is very tame and I see no reason to get bent out of shape about it.

[OumaFan]

There's nothing wrong with what Ortiz did, it was his choice and its not like he pulled a Derrick Gainer during the fight.

But face it part of the fascination with boxing is seeing guys who are willing to lay everything on the line, who are wired like most people aren't really. Diego Corrales, Morales, etc. We have some internet warriors who post with bad intentions regularly but that's not really the same thing. And Ortiz doesn't seem to be wired like a Corrales either. It doesn't mean he's a coward, he gave a good effort, just wilted under the pressure and didn't react well to the cut.

[boozeboxer]

There's nothing wrong with what Ortiz did, it was his choice and its not like he pulled a Derrick Gainer during the fight.

But face it part of the fascination with boxing is seeing guys who are willing to lay everything on the line, who are wired like most people aren't really. Diego Corrales, Morales, etc. We have some internet warriors who post with bad intentions regularly but that's not really the same thing. And Ortiz doesn't seem to be wired like a Corrales either. It doesn't mean he's a coward, he gave a good effort, just wilted under the pressure and didn't react well to the cut.

When Joe Frazier was asked if he would have come out the last round knowing he could very well die and he simply said "yes."

[markb018]

Everything Khan said is perfectly accurate. Barrera is a legend, Khan did beat him, and the victory (disputed or not) will certainly increase his exposure and lead to bigger fights (ie a Kotelnik title match). Nowhere does he brag and he never once calls himself great or lauds himself in any way in the quote you provided.

well i beg to differ, saying "to beat a legend the way i did" implies he destroyed him when in fact MAB was a one eyed fighter out there due to a butt in the first round.

That quote could mean anything. Maybe "the way I did" means to come back after a devestating KO loss and defeat a legend (albeit one who is well past his best), winning every round.

I'm just saying that the quote is ambiguous as best, and nowhere does he call himself great or say anything out of the ordinary. In fact, in terms of boxers talking themselves up that quote is very tame and I see no reason to get bent out of shape about it.

fair enough, point taken