Victor Ortiz is a quiter

[HattonTheHammer]

I never thought ortiz was a top level exponent at 140 and he barely scraped the 2nd tier of fighters even before maidana took him apart.

Shame he didnt go down with a bit of grace and take his lumps like a man as he would of had half a chance to win the fight.

But marcos just owned him for most of the night and apart from the flash knockdowns was never going to be troubled by ortiz.

I get up at 2am on a sunday morning to watch HBO/Showtime telecasts on a shitty internet stream why.....because i love the sport with a passion

You probably just TIVO`d the whole thing and skipped through till the end just because your hard drive was full up with pee wee playhouse and judge judy

[ElTerribleMorales]

I never thought ortiz was a top level exponent at 140 and he barely scraped the 2nd tier of fighters even before maidana took him apart.

Shame he didnt go down with a bit of grace and take his lumps like a man as he would of had half a chance to win the fight.

But marcos just owned him for most of the night and apart from the flash knockdowns was never going to be troubled by ortiz.

I get up at 2am on a sunday morning to watch HBO/Showtime telecasts on a shitty internet stream why.....because i love the sport with a passion

You probably just TIVO`d the whole thing and skipped through till the end just because your hard drive was full up with pee wee playhouse and judge judy

i've seen the fight already 4 times, and there were NO flash knock downs from either fighter, they all came from hard, solid shots, and both were hurt

[JT Rock]

I never thought ortiz was a top level exponent at 140 and he barely scraped the 2nd tier of fighters even before maidana took him apart.

Shame he didnt go down with a bit of grace and take his lumps like a man as he would of had half a chance to win the fight.

But marcos just owned him for most of the night and apart from the flash knockdowns was never going to be troubled by ortiz.

I get up at 2am on a sunday morning to watch HBO/Showtime telecasts on a shitty internet stream why.....because i love the sport with a passion

You probably just TIVO`d the whole thing and skipped through till the end just because your hard drive was full up with pee wee playhouse and judge judy

you crack me up with your proclamations and spin on fights. You could have been looking thru a steamy shower door with 2 black eyes and could tell they were stiff flush shots. I mean cmon man, why dont you own up to your mistakes or preface your comments with things like,

hey guys from my fuzzy stream they looked like flash knockdowns.

But no, you wheel off some asanine horseshit and state it like known fact, meanwhile everyone is shaking their head at you wondering what planet your from half the time

[HattonTheHammer]

Stick to sucking Hatton. Those weren't flash knock downs. I doubt you even saw the fight

I get up at 2am on a sunday morning to watch HBO/Showtime telecasts on a shitty internet stream why.....because i love the sport with a passion

You probably just TIVO`d the whole thing and skipped through till the end just because your hard drive was full up with pee wee playhouse and judge judy

you crack me up with your proclamations and spin on fights. You could have been looking thru a steamy shower door with 2 black eyes and could tell they were stiff flush shots. I mean cmon man, why dont you own up to your mistakes or preface your comments with things like,

hey guys from my fuzzy stream they looked like flash knockdowns.

But no, you wheel off some asanine horseshit and state it like known fact, meanwhile everyone is shaking their head at you wondering what planet your from half the time

98% of knockdowns are via "stiff flush shots". Calzaghe got knocked down twice against hopkins and jones with "stiff flush shots" didnt mean he was in trouble on either occasion.

Sure maidana inparticularly looked groggy in the 2nd and walked on to monster punches. But on both occasions he neither took a heavy 8 count or displayed a fighter who wasnt able to defend himself sufficently.

I saw maidana take much heavier punches against kotelnik and brush them off, on this occasion he got laid out 3 times but on none of the occasions did he appear to be out of it.

[ElTerribleMorales]

[quote=hattonthehammer;754735][quote=Violent Demise;754731]

98% of knockdowns are via "stiff flush shots". Calzaghe got knocked down twice against hopkins and jones with "stiff flush shots" didnt mean he was in trouble on either occasion.

Sure maidana inparticularly looked groggy in the 2nd and walked on to monster punches. But on both occasions he neither took a heavy 8 count or displayed a fighter who wasnt able to defend himself sufficently.

I saw maidana take much heavier punches against kotelnik and brush them off, on this occasion he got laid out 3 times but on none of the occasions did he appear to be out of it.

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there were NO flash knockdowns in the Ortiz/Maidana fight, Calzaghe/Hopkins wasn't a flash knockdown either, he didn't do shit for the remainder of the round, why? cause he felt the punch, he recovered and then the fight went on, Jones/Calzaghe was a flash knockdown, that wasn't even caused by a punch, he hit Joe with his forearm, best example of a flash knockdown was Cotto/Clottey, he went down from a jab and then got up fine

[Kev]

[quote=ElTerribleMorales;754746]

. How is it that Maidana can take heavier punches from Kotelnik when Ortiz hits twice as hard as Kotelnik? It's not possible. That pretty much proves you didn't even see the fight.

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nah, that title went to EDIT, and it's simple you make idiotic statements like the one you just did and well you get thrashed for it, there were NO flash knockdowns in the Ortiz/Maidana fight, Calzaghe/Hopkins wasn't a flash knockdown either, he didn't do shit for the remainder of the round, why? cause he felt the punch, he recovered and then the fight went on, Jones/Calzaghe was a flash knockdown, that wasn't even caused by a punch, he hit Joe with his forearm, best example of a flash knockdown was Cotto/Clottey, he went down from a jab and then got up fine

I think Calzaghe was more hurt from the Jones knockdown than the Hopkins one. He looked dazed getting up against Jones imo.

[CFH]

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nah, that title went to EDIT, and it's simple you make idiotic statements like the one you just did and well you get thrashed for it, there were NO flash knockdowns in the Ortiz/Maidana fight, Calzaghe/Hopkins wasn't a flash knockdown either, he didn't do shit for the remainder of the round, why? cause he felt the punch, he recovered and then the fight went on, Jones/Calzaghe was a flash knockdown, that wasn't even caused by a punch, he hit Joe with his forearm, best example of a flash knockdown was Cotto/Clottey, he went down from a jab and then got up fine

I think Calzaghe was more hurt from the Jones knockdown than the Hopkins one. He looked dazed getting up against Jones imo.

I agree. He was badly hurt by Jones.

[ElTerribleMorales]

nah, that title went to EDIT, and it's simple you make idiotic statements like the one you just did and well you get thrashed for it, there were NO flash knockdowns in the Ortiz/Maidana fight, Calzaghe/Hopkins wasn't a flash knockdown either, he didn't do shit for the remainder of the round, why? cause he felt the punch, he recovered and then the fight went on, Jones/Calzaghe was a flash knockdown, that wasn't even caused by a punch, he hit Joe with his forearm, best example of a flash knockdown was Cotto/Clottey, he went down from a jab and then got up fine

I think Calzaghe was more hurt from the Jones knockdown than the Hopkins one. He looked dazed getting up against Jones imo.

I agree. He was badly hurt by Jones.

lol hoooooooooooowever it may be, it was a shot from Jones' forearm, not a punch, rewatch it, it's clear on the re-play

[JazMerkin]

[quote=hattonthehammer;754735][quote=Violent Demise;754731]

98% of knockdowns are via "stiff flush shots". Calzaghe got knocked down twice against hopkins and jones with "stiff flush shots" didnt mean he was in trouble on either occasion.

Sure maidana inparticularly looked groggy in the 2nd and walked on to monster punches. But on both occasions he neither took a heavy 8 count or displayed a fighter who wasnt able to defend himself sufficently.

I saw maidana take much heavier punches against kotelnik and brush them off, on this occasion he got laid out 3 times but on none of the occasions did he appear to be out of it.

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People may not always like VD's style of posting, but the fact is he is at least one of the 5 most knowledgeable posters on this site. I may not agree with everything he says but the man knows his boxing better than probably all but Galaxy, Mick & Killer.