Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the all-time great heavyweights?

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Originally Posted by ross

Lyle, come back to me when Wlad has made 6 successfull defences of all 3 belts and there is no other fighter active that anyone thinks would beat you.

Get real!

"Wlad is the greatest heavy out there right now"

What about Vitali?

"He doesnt count"

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THE.....BROTHERS.....WILL.......NOT.......FIGHT... ...EACH.....OTHER

How many more times must it be said? How many different ways? Do I need to translate it for you?

So the ONLY reason Wlad isn't considered great to you is because Vitali?

You recall the IBF title right? The title Tyson won off of Tony Tucker, the title he defended 7 times until his defeat to James 'Buster' Douglas. Yeah, well see Wlad has defended THAT title 15 times. That's DOUBLE what Tyson did +1 to grow on...but you were saying about Tyson?

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Mike didnt have a tag team partner to take on the fighters he didnt fancy. Or to come and beat up the Corrie Sandersers;D

Mike put all the titles together and held on to them for the longest run of defences ever.

Wlad will never be regarded as THE best because of his brother and whos fault is that? His own. He could have taken that WBC belt from Peter but he didn't. He will now have to wait u ntil Vitali loses or quits to have a chance of being THE man.

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Originally Posted by ross

Mike didnt have a tag team partner to take on the fighters he didnt fancy. Or to come and beat up the Corrie Sandersers;D

Mike put all the titles together and held on to them for the longest run of defences ever.

Wlad will never be regarded as THE best because of his brother and whos fault is that? His own. He could have taken that WBC belt from Peter but he didn't. He will now have to wait u ntil Vitali loses or quits to have a chance of being THE man.

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#1. Did Mike Tyson ever avenge a defeat? Did Mike Tyson ever get off the canvas to win a match? As for "Tag Team partner", how about Don King? You DO know that the judges in the Douglas fight were going to allow Mike to keep the belts.....had he finished the fight right? Look at the scorecards, grade A DKP cronyism.

#2. Joe Louis, 25 in a row Tyson doesn't even come close to matching THAT kind of dominance. You can brag about the 3 belts Tyson had, but there are even more belts now, Wlad holds 4: IBF, IBO, WBO, WBA...and also The Ring title. So if 3 is "good" then how does 5 suit you? Wlad still has to make mandatory defenses of those titles, but he also does optional defenses too ergo his doubling+1 of Tyson's defenses of the IBF title.

#3. Wlad was champion while Vitali was retired. He has dominated his era FACT. There's nobody that Vitali fought in his comeback that Wlad couldn't beat.

How long was Vitali retired actually i forgot about that how long was that time period. If it was a few years then i guess Wald would of been the man for that time period and i am sure his brother will retire before he does so has a few more years if he wants to have to see.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

How long was Vitali retired actually i forgot about that how long was that time period. If it was a few years then i guess Wald would of been the man for that time period and i am sure his brother will retire before he does so has a few more years if he wants to have to see.

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There was 4 years between the Danny Williams fight and the Sam Peter fight

Well that would make him the man during that time then i say he stronger case for top ten if that is true. I mean Vatili not fighting for 4 years and i think Wald was ranked at the top during that time as well i will have to check that out and see.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Mr140

How long was Vitali retired actually i forgot about that how long was that time period. If it was a few years then i guess Wald would of been the man for that time period and i am sure his brother will retire before he does so has a few more years if he wants to have to see.

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There was 4 years between the Danny Williams fight and the Sam Peter fight

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Also another belt holder, so no single champ.

Wlad could have fought and beaten them but chose not to for whatever reason. Someone who's dominant would have won and defended all of them, not let any pretenders on the scene.

Mike Tyson my not have avenged his defeats but he was THE dominant u disputed world champ for an extended run of fights. Wlad had never done that and he didn't want to get in the ring with Sanders again either;D

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Originally Posted by ross

Also another belt holder, so no single champ.

Wlad could have fought and beaten them but chose not to for whatever reason. Someone who's dominant would have won and defended all of them, not let any pretenders on the scene.

Mike Tyson my not have avenged his defeats but he was THE dominant u disputed world champ for an extended run of fights. Wlad had never done that and he didn't want to get in the ring with Sanders again either;D

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Wlad tried to fight Valuev MULTIPLE TIMES, he was the only guy even trying to unify the titles at the time.

Wlad was ready to fight Sanders again. Sanders had retired in 2004, attempted a comeback in 2006, got KO'd in 2008 and the rematch never materialized and then sadly Sanders was shot and killed. Wladimir DID rematch Lamon Brewster and Wlad demolished him. Don't fucking doubt Wlad would have fought Sanders again.

Mike Tyson never even fought Buster Douglas again, nor Kevin McBride, nor Danny Williams. He got smashed by Holyfield and fouled his way out of trouble in the rematch. He fouled out of a fight ON PURPOSE because he was terrified of getting KO'd again. He rematched Bruno and Ruddock and was successful, but they were the exception rather than the rule.


What's the bigger number ross 7 or 15?

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by ross

Also another belt holder, so no single champ.

Wlad could have fought and beaten them but chose not to for whatever reason. Someone who's dominant would have won and defended all of them, not let any pretenders on the scene.

Mike Tyson my not have avenged his defeats but he was THE dominant u disputed world champ for an extended run of fights. Wlad had never done that and he didn't want to get in the ring with Sanders again either;D

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Wlad tried to fight Valuev MULTIPLE TIMES, he was the only guy even trying to unify the titles at the time.

Wlad was ready to fight Sanders again. Sanders had retired in 2004, attempted a comeback in 2006, got KO'd in 2008 and the rematch never materialized and then sadly Sanders was shot and killed. Wladimir DID rematch Lamon Brewster and Wlad demolished him. Don't fucking doubt Wlad would have fought Sanders again.

Mike Tyson never even fought Buster Douglas again, nor Kevin McBride, nor Danny Williams. He got smashed by Holyfield and fouled his way out of trouble in the rematch. He fouled out of a fight ON PURPOSE because he was terrified of getting KO'd again. He rematched Bruno and Ruddock and was successful, but they were the exception rather than the rule.


What's the bigger number ross 7 or 15?

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Twat! 7 (6 successful)undisputed defences is more than ZERO;D

Wlad Ottke;D

What Mike did after Douglas doesn't take away that run of superiority and dominance.

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Originally Posted by ross

Twat!

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Awww

15, and counting. And yeah what PRAY TELL will you say once Wlad does get the WBC title and defends it 7 times? What will you say then?

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by ross

Twat!

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Awww

15, and counting. And yeah what PRAY TELL will you say once Wlad does get the WBC title and defends it 7 times? What will you say then?

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Ill give him far more respect than he gets now;)

I used to hate Carl Froch but I respect him now. He earned it.

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Originally Posted by ross

Ill give him far more respect than he gets now;)

I used to hate Carl Froch but I respect him now. He earned it.

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So you are a CONFIRMED, hater then. I don't hate anyone...maybe Haye, but I always respect the fighters. You can't argue the dominance of Wladimir.

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Originally Posted by ross

Ill give him far more respect than he gets now;)

I used to hate Carl Froch but I respect him now. He earned it.

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So you are a CONFIRMED, hater then. I don't hate anyone...maybe Haye, but I always respect the fighters. You can't argue the dominance of Wladimir.

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For fucks sakes, yes you can!

He has been dominant over his opponents but not the division. Its 2 different things and like you've said as long as Vitali is around Wlad will only ever be a partnership in the heavyweight championship, not the sole owner.

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Originally Posted by ross

For fucks sakes, yes you can!

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Again tell me: Adamek, Arreola, Chisora, Charr, Johnson, Solis, Sosnowski, Briggs

That's who Vitali has fought in his comeback, so riddle me this ross, of that group Who beats Wlad? Who tests Wlad?

You and anyone suggesting Vitali has made it "easier for Wladimir" have yet to answer that question. Also during Vitali's 4 year absence from boxing, Wlad had how much trouble again? Oh that's right NONE! The only issues he had were trying to force Valuev to fight him and let's not act like Wlad didn't try everything to make that fight happen.

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Originally Posted by ross

For fucks sakes, yes you can!

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Again tell me: Adamek, Arreola, Chisora, Charr, Johnson, Solis, Sosnowski, Briggs

That's who Vitali has fought in his comeback, so riddle me this ross, of that group Who beats Wlad? Who tests Wlad?

You and anyone suggesting Vitali has made it "easier for Wladimir" have yet to answer that question. Also during Vitali's 4 year absence from boxing, Wlad had how much trouble again? Oh that's right NONE! The only issues he had were trying to force Valuev to fight him and let's not act like Wlad didn't try everything to make that fight happen.

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Well for a start he would have had 8 more challengers from that list.

Dont presume that Wlad would have an easy time with them just because his tougher big brother beat them;)

You can argue all you want but unless Vitali goes away, Wlad will never have been THE undisputed champ and after such a long career that would be sad for him.

He will be rich, he wont care and he wont be seriously regarded in all time lists either.

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Originally Posted by ross

Well for a start he would have had 8 more challengers from that list.

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Uh, no he wouldn't have, not unless he fought like 4 times a year. He may have swapped out a few optional defenses for mandatory ones, but don't be silly.

Briggs was an optional, Chisora was an optional, Charr I don't recall, but none of those guys would bother Wlad, they simply don't have the styles to.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by ross

Well for a start he would have had 8 more challengers from that list.

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Uh, no he wouldn't have, not unless he fought like 4 times a year. He may have swapped out a few optional defenses for mandatory ones, but don't be silly.

Briggs was an optional, Chisora was an optional, Charr I don't recall, but none of those guys would bother Wlad, they simply don't have the styles to.

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What about Rossy, Sanders and Brewster? You know, those fantastic world class legends;D

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Originally Posted by ross

What about Rossy, Sanders and Brewster? You know, those fantastic world class legends;D

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You mean Purrity, the guy who beat Wlad when Wlad was 21 years old and just starting out as a professional? I guess Wlad could rematch him now...it's not like it would be a difficult fight, Wlad was young and went for the KO and gassed out.

Sanders was a better fighter than people give him credit for. Had he trained and enjoyed boxing like the Klitschko's MAYBE you'd have a point with your hating, but #1 The rematch never materialized and #2 He's dead now.

Brewster WAS rematched and Wladimir handed him a vicious beating. And don't act like Lamon Brewster was some bum, he was a solid heavyweight. If he was in his prime right now he'd be next in line for a title shot.

Whatever happened to the Great Kevin McBride or Danny Williams? Face it pal once Tyson got out of prison he never beat Grade A talent again

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What about Rossy, Sanders and Brewster? You know, those fantastic world class legends;D

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You mean Purrity, the guy who beat Wlad when Wlad was 21 years old and just starting out as a professional? I guess Wlad could rematch him now...it's not like it would be a difficult fight, Wlad was young and went for the KO and gassed out.

Sanders was a better fighter than people give him credit for. Had he trained and enjoyed boxing like the Klitschko's MAYBE you'd have a point with your hating, but #1 The rematch never materialized and #2 He's dead now.

Brewster WAS rematched and Wladimir handed him a vicious beating. And don't act like Lamon Brewster was some bum, he was a solid heavyweight. If he was in his prime right now he'd be next in line for a title shot.

Whatever happened to the Great Kevin McBride or Danny Williams? Face it pal once Tyson got out of prison he never beat Grade A talent again

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Maybe not but he still has more undisputed title defences than Wlad will ever have:thumb:

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Maybe not but he still has more undisputed title defences than Wlad will ever have:thumb:

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You HOPE

Not very high, Corrie Sanders springs to mind.

Wladimir Klitschko stopped at least 17 fighters who had never been stopped before.

Calvin Brock (never down or stopped before)
Francesco Pianeta (never down or stopped before)
Eddie Chambers (never down or stopped before)
Tony Thompson (never down or stopped before)
Ruslan Chagaev (never down or stopped before)
Monte Barrett (never down before, down 6 times in 2000 against Wladimir)
Lamon Brewster (never down before his first fight with Wlad)
David Bostice (never stopped, Wlad dropped him 4 times for a round 2 TKO)
Axel Schulz (never down or stopped before)
Paea Wolfgramm (never down or stopped before)
Eliseo Castillo
Fabian Meza
Najee Shaheed
Zoran Vujecic
Fabio Eduardo Moli
Charles Shufford



Wlad beat 10 previously undefeated fighters:

Ruslan Chagaev (former amateur world champion)
Sultan Ibragimov
Alexander Povetkin
Francesco Pianeta
Mariusz Wach
Calvin Brock
Samuel Peter
Eliseo Castillo
Najee Shaheed
Zoran Vujecic

As well as 12 people who had only one previous loss (Haye, Byrd, Chambers, etc)


He has 11 wins over world champions:

Byrd x 2, Peter X 2, Rahman, Chagaev, Haye, Ibragimov, Povetkin, Mormeck, Mercer


He is the 2nd longest reigning Heavyweight Champion of all time with the 3rd most consecutive title defenses at 15. He holds the IBF, WBO and IBO records for the most heavyweight title defenses.

And Wladimir won Olympic Gold in Atlanta in 1996.

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Originally Posted by nuggetdotcom

Not very high, Corrie Sanders springs to mind.

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So does McCall or Rahman come to mind when thinking of Lewis? Or Frazier and Norton when you think of Ali?

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by ross

What about Rossy, Sanders and Brewster? You know, those fantastic world class legends;D

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You mean Purrity, the guy who beat Wlad when Wlad was 21 years old and just starting out as a professional? I guess Wlad could rematch him now...it's not like it would be a difficult fight, Wlad was young and went for the KO and gassed out.

Sanders was a better fighter than people give him credit for. Had he trained and enjoyed boxing like the Klitschko's MAYBE you'd have a point with your hating, but #1 The rematch never materialized and #2 He's dead now.

Brewster WAS rematched and Wladimir handed him a vicious beating. And don't act like Lamon Brewster was some bum, he was a solid heavyweight. If he was in his prime right now he'd be next in line for a title shot.

Whatever happened to the Great Kevin McBride or Danny Williams? Face it pal once Tyson got out of prison he never beat Grade A talent again

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sanders was a part time fighter. he may have had the talent but not the skills. brewster was terrible. he was a bum and there is no denying that.

thats why i say that i voted for 16-25 because of his accomplishments. if it were based solely on a who beats who, then he would be ranked lower. there is no denying what he has done, and he has no control over his era, but he has looked great fighting bums and has looked sloppy against people who werent total bums.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

I actually think we'll get to see Wladimir face Arreola and Chisora at some point. The rest of the guys don't pose any threat, at least subjectively.

For the people who rank Wladimir and Vitali outside the top 25 heavyweights, can you put up a list of 25 heavyweights that you would rank higher?

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i could easily make a list of 15 HWs that i would for sure rank higher then 10 more who definitely has good potential to be ranked higher. i will list them for you if you want but i dont want to list them if you dont read this thread again. mainly because i dont want to waste my time.

you cant really call it boxing with wlad so, I would say he is unranked in the history of boxing greats

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What about Rossy, Sanders and Brewster? You know, those fantastic world class legends;D

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You mean Purrity, the guy who beat Wlad when Wlad was 21 years old and just starting out as a professional? I guess Wlad could rematch him now...it's not like it would be a difficult fight, Wlad was young and went for the KO and gassed out.

Sanders was a better fighter than people give him credit for. Had he trained and enjoyed boxing like the Klitschko's MAYBE you'd have a point with your hating, but #1 The rematch never materialized and #2 He's dead now.

Brewster WAS rematched and Wladimir handed him a vicious beating. And don't act like Lamon Brewster was some bum, he was a solid heavyweight. If he was in his prime right now he'd be next in line for a title shot.

Whatever happened to the Great Kevin McBride or Danny Williams? Face it pal once Tyson got out of prison he never beat Grade A talent again

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sanders was a part time fighter. he may have had the talent but not the skills. brewster was terrible. he was a bum and there is no denying that.

thats why i say that i voted for 16-25 because of his accomplishments. if it were based solely on a who beats who, then he would be ranked lower. there is no denying what he has done, and he has no control over his era, but he has looked great fighting bums and has looked sloppy against people who werent total bums.

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Have any other heavyweight champions had to fight a Southpaw as dangerous as Sanders?

Lemon Brewster was very good, if you think he's a bum then your standards are outrageously high.

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Not very high, Corrie Sanders springs to mind.

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So does McCall or Rahman come to mind when thinking of Lewis? Or Frazier and Norton when you think of Ali?

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Lewis pushed for rematches:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ross

What about Rossy, Sanders and Brewster? You know, those fantastic world class legends;D

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You mean Purrity, the guy who beat Wlad when Wlad was 21 years old and just starting out as a professional? I guess Wlad could rematch him now...it's not like it would be a difficult fight, Wlad was young and went for the KO and gassed out.

Sanders was a better fighter than people give him credit for. Had he trained and enjoyed boxing like the Klitschko's MAYBE you'd have a point with your hating, but #1 The rematch never materialized and #2 He's dead now.

Brewster WAS rematched and Wladimir handed him a vicious beating. And don't act like Lamon Brewster was some bum, he was a solid heavyweight. If he was in his prime right now he'd be next in line for a title shot.

Whatever happened to the Great Kevin McBride or Danny Williams? Face it pal once Tyson got out of prison he never beat Grade A talent again

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sanders was a part time fighter. he may have had the talent but not the skills. brewster was terrible. he was a bum and there is no denying that.

thats why i say that i voted for 16-25 because of his accomplishments. if it were based solely on a who beats who, then he would be ranked lower. there is no denying what he has done, and he has no control over his era, but he has looked great fighting bums and has looked sloppy against people who werent total bums.

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Have any other heavyweight champions had to fight a Southpaw as dangerous as Sanders?

Lemon Brewster was very good, if you think he's a bum then your standards are outrageously high.

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Vitali?;D Rahaman?;D

Most folks have him between 6 to 15. I can put him there. MY all-time list, and you can shit on it if you wish:

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Jack Johnson
4. Larry Holmes
5. Mike Tyson
6. Lennox Lewis
7. Evander Holyfield
8. Jack Dempsey
9. VITALI Klitchsko
10. Wladimir Klitschko

I always have and always will place Vitali over Wladimir. That's just me. I sincerely believe that in the respective guys prime, all of them, would beat Wladimir- from Ali to Tyson to his own brother.

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Not very high, Corrie Sanders springs to mind.

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So does McCall or Rahman come to mind when thinking of Lewis? Or Frazier and Norton when you think of Ali?

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Lewis got KOed by 1 punch, twice. Wlad got beat down and his ass handed to him 3 times.

This is so damn subjective.... depends on the criteria you use. The opening post did say "based on what he's done so far". So if you're talking purely about numbers, it's hard not to rank Wladimir either in, or near the top 5. But is that a good criteria?

If you're gonna rank all-time HW's, I'd make sure to use some of these other criteria:

• How much they did for the sport
• Level of opposition
• Excitement for the fans
• Longevity
• Dominance

On "level of opposition" and "fan excitement", Wlad falls way way down. How much has he done for the sport? Depends who you ask, I guess. Globally, he's probably done a lot of good, as people were probably ready for a dominant HW who wasn't American. But then, that very fact seems to have drained some of the interest out of the U.S. Sad, but true.

Taking everything into consideration, and if forced to make a choice, I'd probably rank Wlad just inside the top 10, or just outside of it. Somewhere between 8 and 12.

Years ago there was only one champion and he had to fight all comers to hold on to his title. Wlad hasnt done this.

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Years ago there was only one champion and he had to fight all comers to hold on to his title. Wlad hasnt done this.

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I'm not fond of Wlad as a champion either, ross. But in all honesty, who has he ducked?
It's not like he's got a conga line of worthy opponents waiting outside the door.

My frustration for years has been that the press builds up these lumps of crap.... they step into the ring, and promptly proceed to stink it up for all the world to see (and cringe).... and it's on to the next lump of crap. Over and over and over and over and over again. It's a nauseating process.

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Years ago there was only one champion and he had to fight all comers to hold on to his title. Wlad hasnt done this.

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I'm not fond of Wlad as a champion either, ross. But in all honesty, who has he ducked?
It's not like he's got a conga line of worthy opponents waiting outside the door.

My frustration for years has been that the press builds up these lumps of crap.... they step into the ring, and promptly proceed to stink it up for all the world to see (and cringe).... and it's on to the next lump of crap. Over and over and over and over and over again. It's a nauseating process.

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My whole annoyance is that him an his brother wont fight each other which means neither is dominant.

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Lewis got KOed by 1 punch, twice. Wlad got beat down and his ass handed to him 3 times.

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Wladimir won every minute of every round against Puritty, until he ran out of gas. He was trying too hard for the KO, trying to impress his family and friends, fighting for the first time in his hometown of Kiev, UA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ4kcmxSQZ0

Wlad was also dominating Brewster, until once again, he tried too hard to KO him and ran out of gas. Sanders he underestimated, at that time he was becoming bored with fighting fringe contenders and wanted a crack at Lennox Lewis.

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Years ago there was only one champion and he had to fight all comers to hold on to his title. Wlad hasnt done this.

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I'm not fond of Wlad as a champion either, ross. But in all honesty, who has he ducked?
It's not like he's got a conga line of worthy opponents waiting outside the door.

My frustration for years has been that the press builds up these lumps of crap.... they step into the ring, and promptly proceed to stink it up for all the world to see (and cringe).... and it's on to the next lump of crap. Over and over and over and over and over again. It's a nauseating process.

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My whole annoyance is that him an his brother wont fight each other which means neither is dominant.

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Personally I'm not gonna blame them for not fighting each other. But to me it makes no difference. There hasn't been anybody worthy to challenge and bring the best out of Wlad. The division is as crap as it's ever been in history. Challengers come in scared, or clueless as to how to attack Wlad. In those rare instances when someone does try to rise to the challenge, such as Povetkin, we're treated to clinch-filled, foul-filled, safety-first borefest which does nothing to improve Wlad's image among the fans.

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Years ago there was only one champion and he had to fight all comers to hold on to his title. Wlad hasnt done this.

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I'm not fond of Wlad as a champion either, ross. But in all honesty, who has he ducked?
It's not like he's got a conga line of worthy opponents waiting outside the door.

My frustration for years has been that the press builds up these lumps of crap.... they step into the ring, and promptly proceed to stink it up for all the world to see (and cringe).... and it's on to the next lump of crap. Over and over and over and over and over again. It's a nauseating process.

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My whole annoyance is that him an his brother wont fight each other which means neither is dominant.

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Personally I'm not gonna blame them for not fighting each other. But to me it makes no difference. There hasn't been anybody worthy to challenge and bring the best out of Wlad. The division is as crap as it's ever been in history. Challengers come in scared, or clueless as to how to attack Wlad. In those rare instances when someone does try to rise to the challenge, such as Povetkin, we're treated to clinch-filled, foul-filled, safety-first borefest which does nothing to improve Wlad's image among the fans.

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Chambers was doing well but still just too small and didnt move his head much. He let his hands go and landed and at times made Wlad look silly. Chambers made Wlad look prime for the picking for soeone like Ali or Tyson who would give so much movement and more than one punch at a time. Holyfield would get in there and work but hes not hard to hit and watching the Lewis and Foreman fights he just wouldnt be powerfull enough to keep Wlad away.

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Years ago there was only one champion and he had to fight all comers to hold on to his title. Wlad hasnt done this.

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I'm not fond of Wlad as a champion either, ross. But in all honesty, who has he ducked?
It's not like he's got a conga line of worthy opponents waiting outside the door.

My frustration for years has been that the press builds up these lumps of crap.... they step into the ring, and promptly proceed to stink it up for all the world to see (and cringe).... and it's on to the next lump of crap. Over and over and over and over and over again. It's a nauseating process.

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My whole annoyance is that him an his brother wont fight each other which means neither is dominant.

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Personally I'm not gonna blame them for not fighting each other. But to me it makes no difference. There hasn't been anybody worthy to challenge and bring the best out of Wlad. The division is as crap as it's ever been in history. Challengers come in scared, or clueless as to how to attack Wlad. In those rare instances when someone does try to rise to the challenge, such as Povetkin, we're treated to clinch-filled, foul-filled, safety-first borefest which does nothing to improve Wlad's image among the fans.

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Chambers was doing well but still just too small and didnt move his head much. He let his hands go and landed and at times made Wlad look silly. Chambers made Wlad look prime for the picking for soeone like Ali or Tyson who would give so much movement and more than one punch at a time. Holyfield would get in there and work but hes not hard to hit and watching the Lewis and Foreman fights he just wouldnt be powerfull enough to keep Wlad away.

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Prime Tyson would've given prime Wlad HEAPS of trouble. No doubt about that. People point to the Douglas fight... but prime Tyson could take a punch and he was always forcing his way in. He would willingly take a couple of punches just so he could get inside and throw his murderous straight shots and hooks. Wlad has always used his long arms to keep his opponents away from his chin. Tyson would've brushed off those attempts and gotten inside Wlad's guard. Once inside all it would take would be one punch.

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What about Rossy, Sanders and Brewster? You know, those fantastic world class legends;D

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You mean Purrity, the guy who beat Wlad when Wlad was 21 years old and just starting out as a professional? I guess Wlad could rematch him now...it's not like it would be a difficult fight, Wlad was young and went for the KO and gassed out.

Sanders was a better fighter than people give him credit for. Had he trained and enjoyed boxing like the Klitschko's MAYBE you'd have a point with your hating, but #1 The rematch never materialized and #2 He's dead now.

Brewster WAS rematched and Wladimir handed him a vicious beating. And don't act like Lamon Brewster was some bum, he was a solid heavyweight. If he was in his prime right now he'd be next in line for a title shot.

Whatever happened to the Great Kevin McBride or Danny Williams? Face it pal once Tyson got out of prison he never beat Grade A talent again

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sanders was a part time fighter. he may have had the talent but not the skills. brewster was terrible. he was a bum and there is no denying that.

thats why i say that i voted for 16-25 because of his accomplishments. if it were based solely on a who beats who, then he would be ranked lower. there is no denying what he has done, and he has no control over his era, but he has looked great fighting bums and has looked sloppy against people who werent total bums.

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Have any other heavyweight champions had to fight a Southpaw as dangerous as Sanders?

Lemon Brewster was very good, if you think he's a bum then your standards are outrageously high.

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and if you think that brewster was a solid HW then your standards are outrageously low.

after the wlad fight he should have lost to kali meehan which would have easily been the worst fighter to have ever hold a HW title. he was worthless. brewster just got lucky the judges gave him that fight. then he got beat handily beat liakovick. and dont forget that before the wlad fight, he fought all no name fighters except clifford etienne who was an up and coming fighting and he beat brewster. we found out soon after that etienne was worthless too. so no, brewster was not a solid HW. he was terrible.

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Lewis got KOed by 1 punch, twice. Wlad got beat down and his ass handed to him 3 times.

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Wladimir won every minute of every round against Puritty, until he ran out of gas. He was trying too hard for the KO, trying to impress his family and friends, fighting for the first time in his hometown of Kiev, UA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ4kcmxSQZ0

Wlad was also dominating Brewster, until once again, he tried too hard to KO him and ran out of gas. Sanders he underestimated, at that time he was becoming bored with fighting fringe contenders and wanted a crack at Lennox Lewis.

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He still got beaten at battered like a rag dolls 3 times

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He still got beaten at battered like a rag dolls 3 times

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as opposed to Lennox Lewis' 2 times or Tyson's 5 times?


Only Marciano NEVER lost and to be honest to lose the way Wlad did and not just keep fighting but to become the BEST in the division hands down, it just makes it all the more impressive.