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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
miles
Exactly, just strange dry retorts and insults. Nice statement coming from someone who started the insults.
Funny how I have never been banned before and yet Neutralasshole has. And yet they keep on coming back, I have no idea what they are trying to prove with this desire to be a slave to Manny Pac. You continue to make accusations and you can't prove it. No wonder you agree with Floyd.
You pathetic excuse of a human being,
explain why only you and hornfinger find Mayweathers behavior as acceptable.
Because we're the only two non pactards posting on this thread dickhead.
Point well made.
I can't believe any boxing fan agrees with a boxer suing another boxer over some comments. Pac refused a drugs test. That refusal was an automatic red flag.
And he wants to use the law to keep Mayweather quiet? Please. :rolleyes:
I am not pertaining to the suing in that statement. I am referring to you and hornfinger being the only two who find it acceptable for Floyd to miss the court date. So, does this mean that all the other posters who critized Floyd for that are pactards?
And you certified idiot hornfinger is using insults again. ;D So don't accuse me of starting it.
I read that as......
:bawling: whahhhhh! why won't everyone love pacquiao as unconditionally as I do WHHAAHHH
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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Originally Posted by
LukeH
This whole situation will never end. The key question for EVERYBODY should be are boxing drug tests atisfactory? The answer to that imo is no, because the people who create these drugs will always be at least one step ahead of the testers.
The only question after that is are the current tests up to standard with the rest of world sport governing bodies. Unfortunately whether they are or not can't confirm one way or another whether someone is using performance enhacing drugs. Pac is as incapable of proving anything legitimately as floyd is.
I dont think Pac is taking anything, but I think he is perfectually natural around the weight he's fighting at so the results he has obtained aren't that suprising.
I am in no way a Pacman fan but the fact that people claim he fights over the hill shot fighters, in house fighters, fixed fights and fights with peds at the same time is all a little too much. One or two of the above is satisfactory ;D
Proof as to weather or not Pacquiao has used "Banned Substances" is done every time he fights and has even been ordered during non-competitions times by NSAC. There is nothing wrong with the current tests. They do exactly what they are designed to do. Nothing else matters because other substances are not on the banned lists. If you're to attack the testing Boxing does you have to be specific about who "the people who create drugs" and "the testers" are. Otherwise your comments mean nothing other than babble.
The actual question being asked is should Pacquiao be held up to a take multiple tests no other fighter takes in order to prove he doesn't take PED's? Floyd says Manny won't take the tests, which Manny claims is a lie and has taken Floyd to court because of it. Now Floyd won't show up to prove his word is not Bull Shit.
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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Originally Posted by
fan johnny
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Originally Posted by
LukeH
This whole situation will never end. The key question for EVERYBODY should be are boxing drug tests atisfactory? The answer to that imo is no, because the people who create these drugs will always be at least one step ahead of the testers.
The only question after that is are the current tests up to standard with the rest of world sport governing bodies. Unfortunately whether they are or not can't confirm one way or another whether someone is using performance enhacing drugs. Pac is as incapable of proving anything legitimately as floyd is.
I dont think Pac is taking anything, but I think he is perfectually natural around the weight he's fighting at so the results he has obtained aren't that suprising.
I am in no way a Pacman fan but the fact that people claim he fights over the hill shot fighters, in house fighters, fixed fights and fights with peds at the same time is all a little too much. One or two of the above is satisfactory ;D
Proof as to weather or not Pacquiao has used "Banned Substances" is done every time he fights and has even been ordered during non-competitions times by NSAC. There is nothing wrong with the current tests. They do exactly what they are designed to do. Nothing else matters because other substances are not on the banned lists. If you're to attack the testing Boxing does you have to be specific about who "the people who create drugs" and "the testers" are. Otherwise your comments mean nothing other than babble.
The actual question being asked is should Pacquiao be held up to a take multiple tests no other fighter takes in order to prove he doesn't take PED's? Floyd says Manny won't take the tests, which Manny claims is a lie and has taken Floyd to court because of it. Now Floyd won't show up to prove his word is not Bull Shit.
:dummespost::nono::wisesmilie::stupid::bs:
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
miles
Exactly, just strange dry retorts and insults. Nice statement coming from someone who started the insults.
Funny how I have never been banned before and yet Neutralasshole has. And yet they keep on coming back, I have no idea what they are trying to prove with this desire to be a slave to Manny Pac. You continue to make accusations and you can't prove it. No wonder you agree with Floyd.
You pathetic excuse of a human being, explain why only you and hornfinger find Mayweathers behavior as acceptable.
Because we're the only two non pactards posting on this thread dickhead.
Here are the PACTARDS who posted on this thread before you made the above statement.
In the order of their appearance .....
foxbat1126
brocktonblockbust
rjj tszyu
Jimanuel Boogustus
PSL
InTheNeutralCorner
Mars_ax
fan johnny
Chino
Dench
ross
Spicoli
ruthless rocco
Master
Diane
MMASUX
JazMerkin
Captainaddew
#1FightFan
Nameless
Rantcatrat
LukeH
Wow, that's some company.
And here is the poster who agrees with the above statement.
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
Because we're the only two non pactards posting on this thread dickhead.
Point well made.
I can't believe any boxing fan agrees with a boxer suing another boxer over some comments. Pac refused a drugs test. That refusal was an automatic red flag.
And he wants to use the law to keep Mayweather quiet? Please. :rolleyes:
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
fan johnny
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Originally Posted by
LukeH
This whole situation will never end. The key question for EVERYBODY should be are boxing drug tests atisfactory? The answer to that imo is no, because the people who create these drugs will always be at least one step ahead of the testers.
The only question after that is are the current tests up to standard with the rest of world sport governing bodies. Unfortunately whether they are or not can't confirm one way or another whether someone is using performance enhacing drugs. Pac is as incapable of proving anything legitimately as floyd is.
I dont think Pac is taking anything, but I think he is perfectually natural around the weight he's fighting at so the results he has obtained aren't that suprising.
I am in no way a Pacman fan but the fact that people claim he fights over the hill shot fighters, in house fighters, fixed fights and fights with peds at the same time is all a little too much. One or two of the above is satisfactory ;D
Proof as to weather or not Pacquiao has used "Banned Substances" is done every time he fights and has even been ordered during non-competitions times by NSAC. There is nothing wrong with the current tests. They do exactly what they are designed to do. Nothing else matters because other substances are not on the banned lists. If you're to attack the testing Boxing does you have to be specific about who "the people who create drugs" and "the testers" are. Otherwise your comments mean nothing other than babble.
The actual question being asked is should Pacquiao be held up to a take multiple tests no other fighter takes in order to prove he doesn't take PED's? Floyd says Manny won't take the tests, which Manny claims is a lie and has taken Floyd to court because of it. Now Floyd won't show up to prove his word is not Bull Shit.
:dummespost::nono::wisesmilie::stupid::bs:
You have nothing logical to counter his comments hence the insults. What a pity?
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
:dummespost::nono::wisesmilie::stupid::bs:
You have nothing logical to counter his comments hence the insults. What a pity?
What do you expect? Look at what he posts.....
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
Chino
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Originally Posted by
:::PSL:::
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Originally Posted by
rjj tszyu
I agree with Miles, Pac has taken it too far. I don't know why he didn't just take the test and the fight would have been over and done with by now and Mayweather would still be unbeaten.
Testing is not the only issue for Floyd. There's also glove size and pur$e, which he would still bitch about after they agreed on the drug testing part.
Floyd is doing his best to avoid Pac. Just like what he did to Cotto and Margarito.
Didn't Floyd agreed to the whole 50/50 and every other demands Pac made? Floyd made just one single demand and look what happened.
So you think that Floyd gave in to the 50/50 when that should really be the appropriate split between the two.
Appropiate or not, we all know how Floyd likes to take the bigger piece of the pie. With Pac he agreed to Pac's 50/50 demand when he could have asked for more as he usually does. So he agrees to Pac's demands, he only asks for ONE, which he was willing to take as well (random blood tests) and yet, Pac refuses with bunch of contradicting excuses.
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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Originally Posted by
Chino
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
Chino
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Originally Posted by
:::PSL:::
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Originally Posted by
rjj tszyu
I agree with Miles, Pac has taken it too far. I don't know why he didn't just take the test and the fight would have been over and done with by now and Mayweather would still be unbeaten.
Testing is not the only issue for Floyd. There's also glove size and pur$e, which he would still bitch about after they agreed on the drug testing part.
Floyd is doing his best to avoid Pac. Just like what he did to Cotto and Margarito.
Didn't Floyd agreed to the whole 50/50 and every other demands Pac made? Floyd made just one single demand and look what happened.
So you think that Floyd gave in to the 50/50 when that should really be the appropriate split between the two.
Appropiate or not, we all know how Floyd likes to take the bigger piece of the pie. With Pac he agreed to Pac's 50/50 demand when he could have asked for more as he usually does. So he agrees to Pac's demands, he only asks for ONE, which he was willing to take as well (random blood tests) and yet, Pac refuses with bunch of contradicting excuses.
So how do you know what the starting point was? Only specifics were published as speculation but only a few were actually confirmed. Were you a member of either negotiation team? They probably both started out at 75/25 and $15 Million Guarantee and somehow managed to get another $20 million in there to get them both to agree on the 50/50.
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
miles
Exactly, just strange dry retorts and insults. Nice statement coming from someone who started the insults.
Funny how I have never been banned before and yet Neutralasshole has. And yet they keep on coming back, I have no idea what they are trying to prove with this desire to be a slave to Manny Pac. You continue to make accusations and you can't prove it. No wonder you agree with Floyd.
You pathetic excuse of a human being, explain why only you and hornfinger find Mayweathers behavior as acceptable.
Because we're the only two non pactards posting on this thread dickhead.
Here are the PACTARDS who posted on this thread before you made the above statement.
In the order of their appearance .....
foxbat1126
brocktonblockbust
rjj tszyu
Jimanuel Boogustus
PSL
InTheNeutralCorner
Mars_ax
fan johnny
Chino
Dench
ross
Spicoli
ruthless rocco
Master
Diane
MMASUX
JazMerkin
Captainaddew
#1FightFan
Nameless
Rantcatrat
LukeH
Wow, that's some company.
And here is the poster who agrees with the above statement.
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
Because we're the only two non pactards posting on this thread dickhead.
Point well made.
I can't believe any boxing fan agrees with a boxer suing another boxer over some comments. Pac refused a drugs test. That refusal was an automatic red flag.
And he wants to use the law to keep Mayweather quiet? Please. :rolleyes:
I may think Mayweather is a dickhead for not turning up to court when told to do so, but I also think that Pacquiao is one for actually suing Mayweather & seemingly anyone who doesn't go along with his pre-approved image. They've both made themselves look like egomaniacal pricks as far as I'm concerned.
Why am I even getting involved, this thread needs to die :-\
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
Just to say, I wouldn't consider myself a Pactard. Pacquiao isn't my favorite fighter. I don't follow Pacquiao anymore than I follow any other boxer, actually probably less. I don't incessantly post about Pacquiao or Pacquiao's drug tests or Floyd or Floyd's accusations. I find it all a bit tedious and overdone. I'd much prefer to debate the rest of boxing. You can find me far more often posting about whether Lucian Bute is really that good or who Sergio Martinez should fight next or the best fight to be made at light weight. You can check other posts of mine, but I'm confident that in threads about favorite fighters, I have never mentioned Pacquiao.
To wit, I find myself usually even about Floyd and Pac. Before Floyd accused Pac of steroids, I remember Miles and I would deride Floyd all day because of his choices of opponents. On the other hand, Pacquiao needs to fight a young, in his prime, lion sooner than later. I personally don't find Marquez a bad choice of opponent, but I can see the other side of the coin too. Bradley would do as a choice or someone like Bradley. If he doesn't, if he has a rematch with Cotto or something along those lines, I'll give him grief as much as the next man.
It is my belief, currently in boxing there are five or so boxers that possess that "wow" factor because of their combination of skills - Floyd and Pacquiao happen to be two of them so to that extent I enjoy watching prime, future HOF's fight. That's about it.
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
miles
Exactly, just strange dry retorts and insults. Nice statement coming from someone who started the insults.
Funny how I have never been banned before and yet Neutralasshole has. And yet they keep on coming back, I have no idea what they are trying to prove with this desire to be a slave to Manny Pac. You continue to make accusations and you can't prove it. No wonder you agree with Floyd.
You pathetic excuse of a human being, explain why only you and hornfinger find Mayweathers behavior as acceptable.
Because we're the only two non pactards posting on this thread dickhead.
Here are the PACTARDS who posted on this thread before you made the above statement.
In the order of their appearance .....
foxbat1126
brocktonblockbust
rjj tszyu
Jimanuel Boogustus
PSL
InTheNeutralCorner
Mars_ax
fan johnny
Chino
Dench
ross
Spicoli
ruthless rocco
Master
Diane
MMASUX
JazMerkin
Captainaddew
#1FightFan
Nameless
Rantcatrat
LukeH
Wow, that's some company.
And here is the poster who agrees with the above statement.
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
Because we're the only two non pactards posting on this thread dickhead.
Point well made.
I can't believe any boxing fan agrees with a boxer suing another boxer over some comments. Pac refused a drugs test. That refusal was an automatic red flag.
And he wants to use the law to keep Mayweather quiet? Please. :rolleyes:
You need to get a life and get laid very very quickley.
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
fan johnny
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Originally Posted by
LukeH
This whole situation will never end. The key question for EVERYBODY should be are boxing drug tests atisfactory? The answer to that imo is no, because the people who create these drugs will always be at least one step ahead of the testers.
The only question after that is are the current tests up to standard with the rest of world sport governing bodies. Unfortunately whether they are or not can't confirm one way or another whether someone is using performance enhacing drugs. Pac is as incapable of proving anything legitimately as floyd is.
I dont think Pac is taking anything, but I think he is perfectually natural around the weight he's fighting at so the results he has obtained aren't that suprising.
I am in no way a Pacman fan but the fact that people claim he fights over the hill shot fighters, in house fighters, fixed fights and fights with peds at the same time is all a little too much. One or two of the above is satisfactory ;D
Proof as to weather or not Pacquiao has used "Banned Substances" is done every time he fights and has even been ordered during non-competitions times by NSAC. There is nothing wrong with the current tests. They do exactly what they are designed to do. Nothing else matters because other substances are not on the banned lists. If you're to attack the testing Boxing does you have to be specific about who "the people who create drugs" and "the testers" are. Otherwise your comments mean nothing other than babble.
The actual question being asked is should Pacquiao be held up to a take multiple tests no other fighter takes in order to prove he doesn't take PED's? Floyd says Manny won't take the tests, which Manny claims is a lie and has taken Floyd to court because of it. Now Floyd won't show up to prove his word is not Bull Shit.
:dummespost::nono::wisesmilie::stupid::bs:
You have nothing logical to counter his comments hence the insults. What a pity?
I couldn't be bothered to post words. The little smilies summed up my thoughts on the post perfectly acurately.
In my opinion if you're satisfied with the testing in boxing at the moment you're a fucking moron who's not interested in fairness in the sport and have no clue about modern steroids. It's that simple.
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
fan johnny
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Originally Posted by
LukeH
This whole situation will never end. The key question for EVERYBODY should be are boxing drug tests atisfactory? The answer to that imo is no, because the people who create these drugs will always be at least one step ahead of the testers.
The only question after that is are the current tests up to standard with the rest of world sport governing bodies. Unfortunately whether they are or not can't confirm one way or another whether someone is using performance enhacing drugs. Pac is as incapable of proving anything legitimately as floyd is.
I dont think Pac is taking anything, but I think he is perfectually natural around the weight he's fighting at so the results he has obtained aren't that suprising.
I am in no way a Pacman fan but the fact that people claim he fights over the hill shot fighters, in house fighters, fixed fights and fights with peds at the same time is all a little too much. One or two of the above is satisfactory ;D
Proof as to weather or not Pacquiao has used "Banned Substances" is done every time he fights and has even been ordered during non-competitions times by NSAC. There is nothing wrong with the current tests. They do exactly what they are designed to do. Nothing else matters because other substances are not on the banned lists. If you're to attack the testing Boxing does you have to be specific about who "the people who create drugs" and "the testers" are. Otherwise your comments mean nothing other than babble.
The actual question being asked is should Pacquiao be held up to a take multiple tests no other fighter takes in order to prove he doesn't take PED's? Floyd says Manny won't take the tests, which Manny claims is a lie and has taken Floyd to court because of it. Now Floyd won't show up to prove his word is not Bull Shit.
:dummespost::nono::wisesmilie::stupid::bs:
You have nothing logical to counter his comments hence the insults. What a pity?
I couldn't be bothered to post words. The little smilies summed up my thoughts on the post perfectly acurately.
In my opinion if you're satisfied with the testing in boxing at the moment you're a fucking moron who's not interested in fairness in the sport and have no clue about modern steroids. It's that simple.
PAY ATTENTION! Please try and comprehend what is written here before you go off on a tangent.
It doesn't matter if I or anybody else is satisfied with the testing that is in place and only a moron would use a system that doesn't apply to a system that is specific and works.
Boxing has a list of banned substances, this list varies slightly amongst the states. The tests that are in place, tests for those substances accurately. The tests that are in place apply to all fighters and need not be change for a particular fighter or event. You have not, nor will you or Mayweather ever prove Pacquiao has taken banned substances. Which is exactly the subect matter of this thread and the subject matter of the law suit Pacquiao has file against Mayweather.
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
miles
Exactly, just strange dry retorts and insults. Nice statement coming from someone who started the insults.
Funny how I have never been banned before and yet Neutralasshole has. And yet they keep on coming back, I have no idea what they are trying to prove with this desire to be a slave to Manny Pac. You continue to make accusations and you can't prove it. No wonder you agree with Floyd.
You pathetic excuse of a human being, explain why only you and hornfinger find Mayweathers behavior as acceptable.
Because we're the only two non pactards posting on this thread dickhead.
Here are the PACTARDS who posted on this thread before you made the above statement.
In the order of their appearance .....
foxbat1126
brocktonblockbust
rjj tszyu
Jimanuel Boogustus
PSL
InTheNeutralCorner
Mars_ax
fan johnny
Chino
Dench
ross
Spicoli
ruthless rocco
Master
Diane
MMASUX
JazMerkin
Captainaddew
#1FightFan
Nameless
Rantcatrat
LukeH
Wow, that's some company.
And here is the poster who agrees with the above statement.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
Because we're the only two non pactards posting on this thread dickhead.
Point well made.
I can't believe any boxing fan agrees with a boxer suing another boxer over some comments. Pac refused a drugs test. That refusal was an automatic red flag.
And he wants to use the law to keep Mayweather quiet? Please. :rolleyes:
You need to get a life and get laid very very quickley.
Why are you so upset? I just put out the list of those who YOU THINK ARE PACTARDS? Isn't that what you insinuated when you wrote that only you and miles are the "two non pactards posting on this thread"?
I will try not to respond to your insults. I have been raised to like animals. I just think of you as a baboon and that calms me down.
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
hehe..miles and hornfinger..they see it better than the judge....dont argue with them...:p...Facts and figures is the name of the game in the legal realm...these two idiots wont or cant see anything objective or logical because they hate pac sooo much...There motto is..,." if you cant beat him ( pac)...accuse him!"...i bet when when if ever pac beats mayweather ( which i think has too much skill for pac)they will accuse pac of being an alien..
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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Originally Posted by
mugabi
hehe..miles and hornfinger..they see it better than the judge....dont argue with them...:p...Facts and figures is the name of the game in the legal realm...these two idiots wont or cant see anything objective or logical because they hate pac sooo much...There motto is..,." if you cant beat him ( pac)...accuse him!"...i bet when when if ever pac beats mayweather ( which i think has too much skill for pac)they will accuse pac of being an alien..
I don't hate anyone, I just fail to see how a random drugs test has caused a man to react like a swarm of bees. And no I don't think he does beat Mayweather anymore, the Mosley fight has suggested that Mayweather has the accuracy and timing to do far more than what JMM ever did.
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
Pac can't close the ring and has leg issues, he thrives on people who stand in front of him. Fighters who don't fare well, Mosley is usually no runner and got through with a half assed mayweather impression. Mayweather would take the drugs test avoider to school. Probably KO him too.
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
mugabi
hehe..miles and hornfinger..they see it better than the judge....dont argue with them...:p...Facts and figures is the name of the game in the legal realm...these two idiots wont or cant see anything objective or logical because they hate pac sooo much...There motto is..,." if you cant beat him ( pac)...accuse him!"...i bet when when if ever pac beats mayweather ( which i think has too much skill for pac)they will accuse pac of being an alien..
I don't hate anyone, I just fail to see how
a random drugs test has caused a man to react like a swarm of bees. And no I don't think he does beat Mayweather anymore, the Mosley fight has suggested that Mayweather has the accuracy and timing to do far more than what JMM ever did.
That's your problem. It's not "a random blood test" he was asking for. It was a series of blood tests during the training period, (I read the original request was not to exceed 11 urine and blood tests during the 8 weeks) which is not the standard of Olympic Style Testing. Pacquiao wanted to cut it down to three plus one after the fight and all the urine they want but also wanted a cut off date for the blood because he did want them to draw blood too close to the fight. The Olympic Standard Floyd keeps referring to is not what the standard calls for. A Random blood test is sometime during non-competition times, not 11 times during the training period. The three plus one blood test after the fight and all the urine they want is more than enough to satisfy anyone's testing regiment. It's not as simple as saying "Take the fuking test"
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
It is that simple and wouldn't bother any other professional besides Manny 'I have a bee in my bonnet' Pacquaio. The testing is NO big deal, he isn't being hindered by it in any major way. Having to consume 5000 calories a day sounds like a bigger deal than having a needle take a little blood every week or so.
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
cmon miles..you dont hate pac? action speaks louder than words..or in this case your words says it all...But i do agree pac will have a hard time against floyd. It will be a boring fight in fact. As for the testing.if i were pac..i would never ever submit to floyds demands. .if someone insults me and eventually accuses me of using drugs? Pac is dumb to compromised his principle just to accomodate floyd.or Maybe he just wanted to fight floyd badly. In reality,i think floyd has too much skill for pac..he knows it and his clan knows it. I just cant figure why d hell with all these demands?:confused: i thought he said he is the greatest ever..even greater than Ali or Ray leonard ...ridiculous...
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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Originally Posted by
mugabi
cmon miles..you dont hate pac? action speaks louder than words..or in this case your words says it all...But i do agree pac will have a hard time against floyd. It will be a boring fight in fact. As for the testing.if i were pac..i would never ever submit to floyds demands. .if someone insults me and eventually accuses me of using drugs? Pac is dumb to compromised his principle just to accomodate floyd.or Maybe he just wanted to fight floyd badly. In reality,i think floyd has too much skill for pac..he knows it and his clan knows it. I just cant figure why d hell with all these demands?:confused: i thought he said he is the greatest ever..even greater than Ali or Ray leonard ...ridiculous...
When all is said and done, I don't actually have it in me to truly hate. I can be flamboyant with the rhetoric, but I don't hate him.
In fact following the Cotto fight I had grown to like him, my posting history shows it, but the drug refusal made me did a u turn, as did increasingly questionable matchmaking.
Manny has become what I criticised mayweather for AND he refused to show that he was clean. I don't hate him, but I've clearly lost a lot of respect for him.
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
One thing that always intrigued me about this whole situation. Floyd always fought whoever was put in front of him. Every one of those opponents was of his own choosing. Then, when the public demands a fight (Manny), all of a sudden he wants olympic style drug testing. Why now? Why Manny? Why not Carlos Baldomir? Ricky Hatton? etc...The only explanation is..."how can I string this along further? This dude can beat the hell out of me"
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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hehe..miles and hornfinger..they see it better than the judge....dont argue with them...:p...Facts and figures is the name of the game in the legal realm...these two idiots wont or cant see anything objective or logical because they hate pac sooo much...There motto is..,." if you cant beat him ( pac)...accuse him!"...i bet when when if ever pac beats mayweather ( which i think has too much skill for pac)they will accuse pac of being an alien..
I don't hate anyone, I just fail to see how
a random drugs test has caused a man to react like a swarm of bees. And no I don't think he does beat Mayweather anymore, the Mosley fight has suggested that Mayweather has the accuracy and timing to do far more than what JMM ever did.
That's your problem. It's not "a random blood test" he was asking for. It was a series of blood tests during the training period, (I read the original request was not to exceed 11 urine and blood tests during the 8 weeks) which is not the standard of Olympic Style Testing. Pacquiao wanted to cut it down to three plus one after the fight and all the urine they want but also wanted a cut off date for the blood because he did want them to draw blood too close to the fight. The Olympic Standard Floyd keeps referring to is not what the standard calls for. A Random blood test is sometime during non-competition times, not 11 times during the training period. The three plus one blood test after the fight and all the urine they want is more than enough to satisfy anyone's testing regiment. It's not as simple as saying "Take the fuking test"
And Floyd is willing to go through every single thing from those random tests so how can this be unfair? How can this give him the edge? Different story if he would only ask for Manny to go through all that while he didn't.
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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cmon miles..you dont hate pac? action speaks louder than words..or in this case your words says it all...But i do agree pac will have a hard time against floyd. It will be a boring fight in fact. As for the testing.if i were pac..i would never ever submit to floyds demands. .if someone insults me and eventually accuses me of using drugs?
This goes to show that not everyone will immediately agree to Floyd's demand. Some will stand by their principle, some will not. Remember also that there are two egos clashing in this negotiation.
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Pac is dumb to compromised his principle just to accomodate floyd.or Maybe he just wanted to fight floyd badly. In reality,i think floyd has too much skill for pac..he knows it and his clan knows it. I just cant figure why d hell with all these demands?:confused:
You got the word right .... compromise. And as of the last negotiation, it was Pacquiao who was trying to make the fight happen by compromising. He already agreed to Floyd's initial drug test demand.
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i thought he said he is the greatest ever..even greater than Ali or Ray leonard ...ridiculous...
This is what bothers me. The posters here who insist that Manny go through those drug test that are beyond the requirements are the same posters who belittles Manny's accomplishments. If there is nothing special with Pacquiao, then why the special test?
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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hehe..miles and hornfinger..they see it better than the judge....dont argue with them...:p...Facts and figures is the name of the game in the legal realm...these two idiots wont or cant see anything objective or logical because they hate pac sooo much...There motto is..,." if you cant beat him ( pac)...accuse him!"...i bet when when if ever pac beats mayweather ( which i think has too much skill for pac)they will accuse pac of being an alien..
I don't hate anyone, I just fail to see how
a random drugs test has caused a man to react like a swarm of bees. And no I don't think he does beat Mayweather anymore, the Mosley fight has suggested that Mayweather has the accuracy and timing to do far more than what JMM ever did.
That's your problem. It's not "a random blood test" he was asking for. It was a series of blood tests during the training period, (I read the original request was not to exceed 11 urine and blood tests during the 8 weeks) which is not the standard of Olympic Style Testing. Pacquiao wanted to cut it down to three plus one after the fight and all the urine they want but also wanted a cut off date for the blood because he did want them to draw blood too close to the fight. The Olympic Standard Floyd keeps referring to is not what the standard calls for. A Random blood test is sometime during non-competition times, not 11 times during the training period. The three plus one blood test after the fight and all the urine they want is more than enough to satisfy anyone's testing regiment. It's not as simple as saying "Take the fuking test"
And Floyd is willing to go through every single thing from those random tests so how can this be unfair? How can this give him the edge? Different story if he would only ask for Manny to go through all that while he didn't.
Just out of curiosity, do you think what Pacquiao has achieved so far is greater than what Mayweather has achieved? Would you consider Manny as having a better accomplishment than Floyd?
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And Floyd is willing to go through every single thing from those random tests so how can this be unfair? How can this give him the edge? Different story if he would only ask for Manny to go through all that while he didn't.
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Just out of curiosity, do you think what Pacquiao has achieved so far is greater than what Mayweather has achieved? Would you consider Manny as having a better accomplishment than Floyd?
That can be a long debate over who has a better resume, who has fought guys in their prime as opposed to guys who are going downhill, weight drained, etc. Who has been more active, who has finished their fights with KOs and who hasn’t, who is more feared, who dominates and has not shown clear weaknesses or comes out of his fights clean, etc. Lots of points to talk about.
Now, what do you think about my question?
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And Floyd is willing to go through every single thing from those random tests so how can this be unfair? How can this give him the edge? Different story if he would only ask for Manny to go through all that while he didn't.
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Just out of curiosity, do you think what Pacquiao has achieved so far is greater than what Mayweather has achieved? Would you consider Manny as having a better accomplishment than Floyd?
That can be a long debate over who has a better resume, who has fought guys in their prime as opposed to guys who are going downhill, weight drained, etc. Who has been more active, who has finished their fights with KOs and who hasn’t, who is more feared, who dominates and has not shown clear weaknesses or comes out of his fights clean, etc. Lots of points to talk about.
Now, what do you think about my question?
With regards to those drug test debate, don't you think that's already moot considering that Manny already agreed to those test?
With regards to who has a better resume, I don't have any intention to debate this. Both sides have valid arguments. I am just curious as to your opinion on that. You don't even need to explain it.
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With regards to those drug test debate, don't you think that's already moot considering that Manny already agreed to those test?
I would think it would be moot if he said clearly that he agrees to RANDOM blood tests with no cutoff weeks just like Floyd has taken them on his recent past fights. So far, since these negotiations started, Pac says he agrees to all tests and continues saying he agrees to all tests…that is, the ones from the current commission. Or that he agrees to all tests “…but with X amount of cutoff weeks”. Or he will say he agrees to something and then Roach or Arum will come up with their reason not to accept those tests. It keeps coming back and forth. There is no “We agree to ALL RANDOM BLOOD TESTS WITH NO CUTOFF WEEKS WHATSOEVER” yet.
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With regards to who has a better resume, I don't have any intention to debate this. Both sides have valid arguments. I am just curious as to your opinion on that. You don't even need to explain it.
I am sort of 50/50 with both. Floyd for beating many of them in their prime and coming out clean in his fights, almost to the point of not even breaking a sweat while winning in dominating fashion. Not having a clear weakness/flaw. I kind of question his “win” versus Castillo though. Manny for winning in explosive fashion, in different weights (sure, they are catch weights but it’s still something) , etc. If this fight is ever made and there is a KO/TKO, I’ll say Manny takes it. If it goes to the scorecards, I’ll say Floyd glides to a clear victory with his boxing/defense skills. So who wins? I’ll say it can go either way. Both have what it takes to beat each other.
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If these 2 dont fight each other after jmm and ortis its the biggest misjustice to boxing fans ever!! Pacmans got the balls 2get in the ring wiv oscar,hatton,cotto,margarito and mosley but hes freaked out by needles?!? And mayweather is capable of beating any1 so shud stop makin demands so the fight doesnt happen! And lets not forget its pacman whos the p4p king now so maybe mayweather shud come down a peg and abide by pacmans terms!! Fair play to the super middles in the super six, no bullshit politics just the best in the wieght division all boxing each other! Imagine pacman,mayweather,williams,margarito,cotto and maybe berto in a super six at a catch-wieght?!
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With regards to those drug test debate, don't you think that's already moot considering that Manny already agreed to those test?
I would think it would be moot if he said clearly that he agrees to RANDOM blood tests with no cutoff weeks just like Floyd has taken them on his recent past fights. So far, since these negotiations started, Pac says he agrees to all tests and continues saying he agrees to all tests…that is, the ones from the current commission. Or that he agrees to all tests “…but with X amount of cutoff weeks”. Or he will say he agrees to something and then Roach or Arum will come up with their reason not to accept those tests. It keeps coming back and forth. There is no “We agree to ALL RANDOM BLOOD TESTS WITH NO CUTOFF WEEKS WHATSOEVER” yet.
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Beats, Boxing & Mayhem: Now, you’re willing to compromise on the blood testing. You weren’t as flexible earlier this year and walked away to take another fight. Do you regret not compromising during the first negotiations and fighting Joshua Clottey?
Pacquiao: [Pauses] Um, no. I feel like I don’t need Mayweather to make my career. I fought the best and anyone willing to face me. I want it, and feel the fans deserve the [Mayweather] fight. I want to prove to everyone that it wasn’t me who didn’t want the fight. That’s why I made the concession to take anything [blood tests] he wants at any time. Even during the fight before the sixth round if he wanted! What [else] can I do? I hope we get the fight done soon. Let’s get it on.
Link: Manny Pacquiao: Politics As Usual � Beats, Boxing and Mayhem
So based on your above statement, it would be MOOT.
If Pacquiao was bluffing, Mayweather could have exposed him by agreeing to fight in the second negotiation. Why didn't he?
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I am sort of 50/50 with both. Floyd for beating many of them in their prime and coming out clean in his fights, almost to the point of not even breaking a sweat while winning in dominating fashion. Not having a clear weakness/flaw. I kind of question his “win” versus Castillo though. Manny for winning in explosive fashion, in different weights (sure, they are catch weights but it’s still something) , etc. If this fight is ever made and there is a KO/TKO, I’ll say Manny takes it. If it goes to the scorecards, I’ll say Floyd glides to a clear victory with his boxing/defense skills. So who wins? I’ll say it can go either way. Both have what it takes to beat each other.
Fair enough.
Follow-up question: Is there anything special in Manny that is lacking in all of Mayweather's previous opponents? Is Manny better than any of Floyd's previous opponents?
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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With regards to those drug test debate, don't you think that's already moot considering that Manny already agreed to those test?
I would think it would be moot if he said clearly that he agrees to RANDOM blood tests with no cutoff weeks just like Floyd has taken them on his recent past fights. So far, since these negotiations started, Pac says he agrees to all tests and continues saying he agrees to all tests…that is, the ones from the current commission. Or that he agrees to all tests “…but with X amount of cutoff weeks”. Or he will say he agrees to something and then Roach or Arum will come up with their reason not to accept those tests. It keeps coming back and forth. There is no “We agree to ALL RANDOM BLOOD TESTS WITH NO CUTOFF WEEKS WHATSOEVER” yet.
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Beats, Boxing & Mayhem: Now, you’re willing to compromise on the blood testing. You weren’t as flexible earlier this year and walked away to take another fight. Do you regret not compromising during the first negotiations and fighting Joshua Clottey?
Pacquiao: [Pauses] Um, no. I feel like I don’t need Mayweather to make my career. I fought the best and anyone willing to face me. I want it, and feel the fans deserve the [Mayweather] fight. I want to prove to everyone that it wasn’t me who didn’t want the fight.
That’s why I made the concession to take anything [blood tests] he wants at any time. Even during the fight before the sixth round if he wanted! What [else] can I do? I hope we get the fight done soon. Let’s get it on.
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Manny Pacquiao: Politics As Usual � Beats, Boxing and Mayhem
So based on your above statement, it would be MOOT.
If Pacquiao was bluffing, Mayweather could have exposed him by agreeing to fight in the second negotiation. Why didn't he?
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I am sort of 50/50 with both. Floyd for beating many of them in their prime and coming out clean in his fights, almost to the point of not even breaking a sweat while winning in dominating fashion. Not having a clear weakness/flaw. I kind of question his “win” versus Castillo though. Manny for winning in explosive fashion, in different weights (sure, they are catch weights but it’s still something) , etc. If this fight is ever made and there is a KO/TKO, I’ll say Manny takes it. If it goes to the scorecards, I’ll say Floyd glides to a clear victory with his boxing/defense skills. So who wins? I’ll say it can go either way. Both have what it takes to beat each other.
Fair enough.
Follow-up question: Is there anything special in Manny that is lacking in all of Mayweather's previous opponents? Is Manny better than any of Floyd's previous opponents?
Weeks before the interview by "Beats, Boxing and Mayhem" on November 12, 2010, an article by Michael Marley was posted in Boxingscene.com
Excerpt from the article:
When Pacquiao was in New York a few weeks ago to hype his Nov. 13 bout against Antonio Margarito, he quietly but firmly told me he had aceded to the random testing demand. No ifs, buts and no candy or nuts if you know what I mean.
Pacman made the statement with agent Michael Koncz standing behind him. Koncz did not seek to correct or modify Congressmanny's plain assertion.
On Tuesday, as Oscar de la Hoya visited Gleason's Gym in Brooklyn to plug Golden Boy's new relationship with Barclays Center in that boxing conscious borough, I nearly had a cardiac event when I mentioned what Manny said to GBP CEO Richard Schaefer.
Two or three other scribes were within earshot. I don't know if they were as astounded as I was by Richie Rich's quick response.
I expected a "no comment" or other form of demurral.
I mean, it's not like we were in a deposition or RRS was under oath on cross examination.
But no such disclaimer or correction was forthcoming.
Instead, Schaefer co-signed Pacquiao's statement regarding accepting the at any given time blood testing for drug use.
"If Pacquiao said that, then I'm sure he wouldn't lie about it," Schaefer said without blinking.
It's not Schaefer was intoxicated with truth serum or anything.
But I did not have him across the table, under oath in a deposition or on the witness stand undergoing cross examination.
Link: Mayweather-Pacquiao; Drug Testing No Longer an Issue - Boxing News
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
Hmm interesting. Personally, i dont think pac is juicing. Common sense dictates...why should someone who reached superstardom (from dirt poor to a millionaire) risk losing it all by taking an illegal substance. Granted urine testing is ineffective. But who in his right mind would exposed himself to it? Taking to account that many fighters were caught using that medium. I just dont see him- based on his performance that would cast a shadow of doubt. Even in the lighter weights...these are qualities he always had..endurance,power,the aggressive style.These were his trademarks. The irony is haters magnify his imperfections but at the same time accused him of using peds. Roger Mayweather said ortiz is a better boxer but at the same said it would be crazy to face pac. Hello?
Drug testing is good . But it has to be done in a context where there is genuine intention of cleaning the sports. If the Mayweathers were only proper. I believe manny would have agreed to the test inspite of the fear of an erik morales scenario. what the mayweathers done were below the belt..personal. if you were a person with principle.,would you agree to the demands of a person who insulted you? . You worked your ass off then someone publicly ruin your reputation. Wheres your pride? That is why i hate manny for that compromise.
Lastly,healthy discussion'debate among boxing fans is fun. Hate however erases all of that. Objectivity is gone. We can debate whether manny or Floyd is cherry picking their opponents. Who has the better resume. etc. But once that " he is using drugs" angle comes up...in this case Pacquaio...there is no longer basis for discussion..period.
