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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Hornfinger
Specific facts of why testing isn't good enough!? are you for fucking real?
Urine testing will not detect growth hormone or testosterone enhancers or alot of modern day steroids. That is common knowledge.
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This is just idiocy on your part. It's a general statement applies to both agencies and you do not support your position here with specifics.
You obviously know absolutley nothing about modern performance enhancers and testing. And if that's the case why are you posting on this thread?
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This statement pre-supposes fact that you are in fact an expert? Provide your credentials as support.
Here are some links to educate yourself and they are also links pactards should probably want to stay away from to keep their little pac delusion bubble in tact.
Drug Test FAQ's : Synthetic Urine : Random Drug Testing : Cleartest.com
The History of Drug Testing in Sports & How Athletes Beat the Drug Tests
USADA calls NSAC's drug-testing procedures "inadequate," recommends tougher stance | MMAjunkie.com
Blood vs. urine? USADA clears up fuss over Mayweather-Pacquiao drug testing feud | MLive.com
In this link the CEO of USADA states that '...there is no Urine testing for human growth hormone...'
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Rebuttal - In regards to the allegations from USADA and the sensationalized article writing with half truths and taking shit out of context to generate hits. You must really believe that BS!
You said that all the NSAC cares about is money. I'd be willing to bet you that USADA is really about is getting federal grant money. If they were really after cleaning up the sports, they would be working with the states helping to coordinate testing instead of competing with them and lobbing legislature to take over testing.
I could post more links but at the moment I can't be arsed.
What are you going to do to show me that current testing by NSAC is adequet? Seeing that all you've done is provide evidence that they are financially incapable of providing a decent screening program.....
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No need! I don't hold this position
Until NSAC bring in random blood testing I do not believe what they are doing is adequate.
Why would golden boy, top rank, and those other promotors put the money up for testing when it could mean their cash cows failing and getting banned? If you get banned you can't fight, if you can't fight you can't earn money for these people. Congratulations you are more nieve than a 3 year old.
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Maybe to promote the appearance of wanting to have a clean sport?
Consider yourself owned. :o
I will never submit to slavery!
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
fan johnny
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
Specific facts of why testing isn't good enough!? are you for fucking real?
Urine testing will not detect growth hormone or testosterone enhancers or alot of modern day steroids. That is common knowledge.
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This is just idiocy on your part. It's a general statement applies to both agencies and you do not support your position here with specifics.
You obviously know absolutley nothing about modern performance enhancers and testing. And if that's the case why are you posting on this thread?
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This statement pre-supposes fact that you are in fact an expert? Provide your credentials as support.
Here are some links to educate yourself and they are also links pactards should probably want to stay away from to keep their little pac delusion bubble in tact.
Drug Test FAQ's : Synthetic Urine : Random Drug Testing : Cleartest.com
The History of Drug Testing in Sports & How Athletes Beat the Drug Tests
USADA calls NSAC's drug-testing procedures "inadequate," recommends tougher stance | MMAjunkie.com
Blood vs. urine? USADA clears up fuss over Mayweather-Pacquiao drug testing feud | MLive.com
In this link the CEO of USADA states that '...there is no Urine testing for human growth hormone...'
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Rebuttal - In regards to the allegations from USADA and the sensationalized article writing with half truths and taking shit out of context to generate hits. You must really believe that BS!
You said that all the NSAC cares about is money. I'd be willing to bet you that USADA is really about is getting federal grant money. If they were really after cleaning up the sports, they would be working with the states helping to coordinate testing instead of competing with them and lobbing legislature to take over testing.
I could post more links but at the moment I can't be arsed.
What are you going to do to show me that current testing by NSAC is adequet? Seeing that all you've done is provide evidence that they are financially incapable of providing a decent screening program.....
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No need! I don't hold this position
Until NSAC bring in random blood testing I do not believe what they are doing is adequate.
Why would golden boy, top rank, and those other promotors put the money up for testing when it could mean their cash cows failing and getting banned? If you get banned you can't fight, if you can't fight you can't earn money for these people. Congratulations you are more nieve than a 3 year old.
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Maybe to promote the appearance of wanting to have a clean sport?
Consider yourself owned. :o
I will never submit to slavery!
In response to the only part that's relevant....
I'll follow the link, I'll read the link, But more importantly I'll wait till the random blood testing is brought in. Unlike the pactards, I don't take someones word as gospel, I wait to see action. If it get's brought in I'll be happy.
'maybe to promote the appearence of a clean sport' Your child like nievity is astounding. And in an earlier post I said I was in the realm of fantasy for imagining boxing in a perfect world.....
The important thing is you agree current testing is underfunded and inadequet, and that is the base line of all my argurments.
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
I'll follow the link, I'll read the link, But more importantly I'll wait till the random blood testing is brought in. Unlike the pactards, I don't take someones word as gospel, I wait to see action. If it get's brought in I'll be happy.
You don't??? It seems like you have been on a crusade after hearing the 'words according to the Mayweathers' that Pacquiao is on drugs.
Give up, know when your argument had been discredited. It will make people think more highly of you ........ well, not really.
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
In response to the only part that's relevant....
I'll follow the link, I'll read the link, But more importantly I'll wait till the random blood testing is brought in. Unlike the pactards, I don't take someones word as gospel, I wait to see action. If it get's brought in I'll be happy.
'maybe to promote the appearence of a clean sport' Your child like nievity is astounding. And in an earlier post I said I was in the realm of fantasy for imagining boxing in a perfect world.....
The important thing is you agree current testing is underfunded and inadequet, and that is the base line of all my argurments.
Rules are for people that follow the rules. People that don't follow the rules don't give a fuk about the rules. Cutting straight to the point, there is not guarantee that people aren't going to cheat. (No matter what safe guards you put into place). You can not devise a perfect system without the participants willingness to put forth integrity.
A prudent step to take is to cut out the participants that don't follow the rules. Thus we have testing to address the issue of banned substances. The NSAC is considered a leader in the US when it comes to combat sports. As such, As a public agency under the watchful eye of the "World", I trust that they make "informed decisions" rather than knee jerk reactions. I do not hold the position that they are adequate or inadequate. I have faith that what ever they do with regards to testing in the sport, is the best that can be done. Whenever a fight comes along, I'm content, ready and I'll just sit at the edge of my chair a watch with enthusiasm.
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
I'll follow the link, I'll read the link, But more importantly I'll wait till the random blood testing is brought in. Unlike the pactards, I don't take someones word as gospel, I wait to see action. If it get's brought in I'll be happy.
You don't??? It seems like you have been on a crusade after hearing the 'words according to the Mayweathers' that Pacquiao is on drugs.
Now I've stopped laughing my arse off I'll reply.....
Its typical behavior of a sterotypical pactard to bring up floyd mayweather whenever their man is under even the slightest critisism.
Seeing as my family including myself have been involved in drug free competion that insists on random out of contest testing for the whole time i've been alive, I highly doubt any of floyd mayweathers ramblings have anything to do with my views.
I have had my views that all athletes in all sports should undergo random blood testing in and out of contest my whole life.
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InTheNeutralCorner
Give up, know when your argument had been discredited. It will make people think more highly of you ........ well, not really.
First off it would take a credible person with some kind of knowledge of steroids and testing to discredit me. Niether you or fan johnny or any other pactard are that person.
Secondly go back a page and read my last post with the big writing for retards like yourself to read.
No one has put a single dent in the 3 main points I have put across. I'm still waiting for them to be contested. Yoiu can't contest them so you try and change the subject to floyd mayweather, which has no relevance to this convo.
Just for you...... this is the 2nd time now, i suppose I'll have to post it three more times after this like usual for you to actually grasp it though.....
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
i maintain my arguement because not one of you pactards have been able to put a dent in it. Not one little bit.
pac hasn't passed a blood test so i don't know if he's clean (and that goes for every other athlete who hasn't passed random testing) sorry his word isn't good enough for me.
testing in the sport is out of date and not good enough
nevada state athletic commission don't do a good enough job and don't have the funding to do proper testing on athletes (thanks for backing up that point fanfuck johnny)
i cannot make it any plainer or simpler than that.
please read through this properly before coming up with another stupid reply that will mearly require me copying and pasting a section of this into another post and making you look like even more of a retard than you already are.
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
fan johnny
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
In response to the only part that's relevant....
I'll follow the link, I'll read the link, But more importantly I'll wait till the random blood testing is brought in. Unlike the pactards, I don't take someones word as gospel, I wait to see action. If it get's brought in I'll be happy.
'maybe to promote the appearence of a clean sport' Your child like nievity is astounding. And in an earlier post I said I was in the realm of fantasy for imagining boxing in a perfect world.....
The important thing is you agree current testing is underfunded and inadequet, and that is the base line of all my argurments.
Rules are for people that follow the rules. People that don't follow the rules don't give a fuk about the rules. Cutting straight to the point, there is not guarantee that people aren't going to cheat. (No matter what safe guards you put into place). You can not devise a perfect system without the participants willingness to put forth integrity.
A prudent step to take is to cut out the participants that don't follow the rules. Thus we have testing to address the issue of banned substances. The NSAC is considered a leader in the US when it comes to combat sports. As such, As a public agency under the watchful eye of the "World", I trust that they make "informed decisions" rather than knee jerk reactions. I do not hold the position that they are adequate or inadequate. I have faith that what ever they do with regards to testing in the sport, is the best that can be done. Whenever a fight comes along, I'm content, ready and I'll just sit at the edge of my chair a watch with enthusiasm.
I just see that as rediculously nieve stance to take.
I'm ultra critical of these things, if you sit back and let organisations do what they want expect them to do what's right for them and their wallets, not the good of the sport. Why should I trust NSAC? As I say they will go up in my estimations when they bring in random blood testing, not before.
If you hold peoples feet to the fire and keep organisations on their toes generally I think you get better and more consistant governance.
Yes I do love big mega fights, but ultimately I'm of the opinion that by being stricter on having a level playing and doing more to deter cheating we will get more evenly matched contests and less one sided hammerings that the sport sometimes seems to be plagued with.
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
Now I've stopped laughing my arse off I'll reply.....
Its typical behavior of a sterotypical pactard to bring up floyd mayweather whenever their man is under even the slightest critisism.
Seeing as my family including myself have been involved in drug free competion that insists on random out of contest testing for the whole time i've been alive, I highly doubt any of floyd mayweathers ramblings have anything to do with my views.
I have had my views that all athletes in all sports should undergo random blood testing in and out of contest my whole life.
I brought up the Mayweathers to discredit (yet again) your statement that "you don't take someone's word as gospel". When did you start with this random drug test, isn't it after the accusations of the Mayweathers? If the Mayweathers don't have anything to do with your crusade, then why didn't I see you bitching about it prior to those accusations? And why were you not after all the other boxers since none of them went through a random drug test? Why are you so obsessed with Pacquiao?
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First off it would take a credible person with some kind of knowledge of steroids and testing to discredit me. Niether you or fan johnny or any other pactard are that person.
Secondly go back a page and read my last post with the big writing for retards like yourself to read.
No one has put a single dent in the 3 main points I have put across. I'm still waiting for them to be contested. Yoiu can't contest them so you try and change the subject to floyd mayweather, which has no relevance to this convo.
You have been discredited time and time again and you won't stop. And we don't need a steroid expert for that, you already did it to yourself. You come up with one lie after the other and once exposed would just shift subjects. Do you want me to expose those lies again?
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Hornfinger
I just see that as rediculously nieve stance to take.
I'm ultra critical of these things, if you sit back and let organisations do what they want expect them to do what's right for them and their wallets, not the good of the sport. Why should I trust NSAC? As I say they will go up in my estimations when they bring in random blood testing, not before.
If you hold peoples feet to the fire and keep organisations on their toes generally I think you get better and more consistant governance.
Yes I do love big mega fights, but ultimately I'm of the opinion that by being stricter on having a level playing and doing more to deter cheating we will get more evenly matched contests and less one sided hammerings that the sport sometimes seems to be plagued with.
If you don't know the meaning of words you shouldn't try to use them. Don't try and write what others would say because you get it wrong. Your mind is completely warped around pacrtard and flomos. None needs to discredit you, you do that just fine all by yourself. You think you grew up and compete in a drug free competition. I guess that could be true if your talking about the kids baseball team.
As I've stated before you come off as a governmental theory conspirest. You stated your bull shit opinion and couldn't back up specifics with simple facts. When you are provided with facts, You partially accept what you think you comprehend and ignore the rest. Join the fukn USADA organization and lobby for federal funds to stop all PED users. You can be the USADA mascot with the "Take the Test" T-Shirt and run around the paying field accusing all the best players of being on PED's.
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Hornfinger
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:::PSL:::
Hornfinger :11fb8:
You're still upset cuz I destroyed you a couple of pages ago I understand that.
:lol:
Destroyed you a couple of pages he said. :lolhaha:
Where are those pages? Does those pages have evidence that Pac used steroids?
Go fetch lil' doggie. Arf! arf!
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
:::PSL:::
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
:::PSL:::
Hornfinger :11fb8:
You're still upset cuz I destroyed you a couple of pages ago I understand that.
:lol:
Destroyed you a couple of pages he said. :lolhaha:
Where are those pages? Does those pages have evidence that Pac used steroids?
Go fetch lil' doggie. Arf! arf!
Here you go pactard, seeing as you were were too stupid to read it 1st time. what is with having to reapeat posts over and over for pactards?
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Hornfinger
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:::PSL:::
Joeygotfingered,
I'm still waiting for that "Pac on PEDs" proof.
Where the fuck is it?
Yes lets only blood test athletes when we already have proof of them juicing. My God that is FUCKING genius that is. That is the cleverest idea ever! You know that's such an intelligent thing to say I'm sure the people over at MENSA will be beating down your door to get you on board. I mean shit. Let's bring that in at the olympics, the only athletes that will be tested will be the ones that we already have proof of using steroids. It's a good job Einstein is dead cuz he'd be shitting himself right now with boffins like you around. The brains at NASA pale in comparison to your superior logic.......
Sarcasm aside....
As I said in another thread. This argument is the silliest most retarded thing that you can grasp at. It dumb, stupid, idiotic, moronic.... I could go on all day...
Testing solves everything. It gives proof either way. Pacfans should be wanting their hero to take the tests so you can rub it in our faces that he's clean as a whistle. You don't want him taking the tests cuz you have your doubts. I find that funny.
Mak sure you call me daddy from now on, ok little girl.
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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InTheNeutralCorner
I brought up the Mayweathers to discredit (yet again) your statement that "you don't take someone's word as gospel".
Didn't work did it (seeing as my last post pointed out i've had my views my whole life and long before I'd even heard the name floyd mayweather), instead it made yourself look like a stereotypical pactard that bleets on about mayweather anytime precious pacquiao comes under any kind of scrutiny.
But if you really want to discuss floyd and pac then discuss the following point....
Floyd didn't acuse manny of being a steroid cheat, he simply said that from now on he'd like himself and his opponants to go through random testing before any future fights.I don't see that as being a big ask at all, especially if you are clean.
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InTheNeutralCorner
When did you start with this random drug test, isn't it after the accusations of the Mayweathers? If the Mayweathers don't have anything to do with your crusade, then why didn't I see you bitching about it prior to those accusations? And why were you not after all the other boxers since none of them went through a random drug test? Why are you so obsessed with Pacquiao?
I started being pro random in and out of competition testing when I was 6 years old and used to watch my father compete in the British drug free powerlifting association. My dad was frequently tested and would only lift in the drug free organisation and none of the others because the testing was much more rigorous. My dad was british champion and held records for bench, squat and dead lift.
Years later my brother started in the same organisation and then I also did the same.
What has this got to do with Floyd? Nothing. not a thing. But I'm sure you'll fiond to drag him into it some how.
I'm obessed with fairness in sport. not pacquiao. But like a typical pactard you think the world revolves around your man.
And seeing as I was posting on this site long before you even discovered it how the hell woud you know what I've said about testing in the past?
I said pretty much the same things when roy jones was rumbled years ago and shane mosley.
I've ALWAYS believed in random testing in all sports.
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InTheNeutralCorner
You have been discredited time and time again and you won't stop. And we don't need a steroid expert for that, you already did it to yourself. You come up with one lie after the other and once exposed would just shift subjects. Do you want me to expose those lies again?
You keep telling yourself you've discredited me, but the fact is you are yet to make a dent in the points that I reposted (for a second time, onto the 3rd time now), Do I need to repost them for you agiain so you can dodge them again?
If you've discredited me where the fucks the evidence?
Wheres the discreditation of this?
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
i maintain my arguement because not one of you pactards have been able to put a dent in it. Not one little bit.
pac hasn't passed a blood test so i don't know if he's clean (and that goes for every other athlete who hasn't passed random testing) sorry his word isn't good enough for me.
testing in the sport is out of date and not good enough
nevada state athletic commission don't do a good enough job and don't have the funding to do proper testing on athletes (thanks for backing up that point fanfuck johnny)
i cannot make it any plainer or simpler than that.
please read through this properly before coming up with another stupid reply that will mearly require me copying and pasting a section of this into another post and making you look like even more of a retard than you already are.
I'll tell you where it is, fucking NO WHERE.
If by discredit you mean made yourself look like a pactard that avoids the issues then yes, I agree.
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
:::PSL:::
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
:::PSL:::
Hornfinger :11fb8:
You're still upset cuz I destroyed you a couple of pages ago I understand that.
:lol:
Destroyed you a couple of pages he said. :lolhaha:
Where are those pages? Does those pages have evidence that Pac used steroids?
Go fetch lil' doggie. Arf! arf!
Here you go pactard, seeing as you were were too stupid to read it 1st time. what is with having to reapeat posts over and over for pactards?
I don't see hornfinger destroying anybody in these posts. The only thing I see destroyed is his reputation. Oh, my mistake. He has none you say.
And I don't think he should be calling anyone 'stupid'. He already owns that.
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
:::PSL:::
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
:::PSL:::
Hornfinger :11fb8:
You're still upset cuz I destroyed you a couple of pages ago I understand that.
:lol:
Destroyed you a couple of pages he said. :lolhaha:
Where are those pages? Does those pages have evidence that Pac used steroids?
Go fetch lil' doggie. Arf! arf!
Here you go pactard, seeing as you were were too stupid to read it 1st time. what is with having to reapeat posts over and over for pactards?
I don't see hornfinger destroying anybody in these posts. The only thing I see destroyed is his reputation. Oh, my mistake. He has none you say.
And I don't think he should be calling anyone 'stupid'. He already owns that.
HAHAHAHA The only thing that's been established is that you can't read! :lolhaha:
If I've destroyed nothing in my last reply to you how came you've dodged the three main points of may arguement yet again? Hysterical. Are you choosing to ignore it because you can't read it or cuz you have no answer to it. I think it is a combination of the former and the later.
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@Horn - Can you give me a quick point breakdown, i'm lost to what point you currently trying to make?
The thread is huge and tons of back and forth... So the important stuff is like a needle in a hay stack right now...
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cnote111
@Horn - Can you give me a quick point breakdown, i'm lost to what point you currently trying to make?
The thread is huge and tons of back and forth... So the important stuff is like a needle in a hay stack right now...
yup no problem mate
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
i maintain my arguement because not one of you pactards have been able to put a dent in it. Not one little bit.
pac hasn't passed a blood test so i don't know if he's clean (and that goes for every other athlete who hasn't passed random testing) sorry his word isn't good enough for me.
testing in the sport is out of date and not good enough
nevada state athletic commission don't do a good enough job and don't have the funding to do proper testing on athletes (thanks for backing up that point fanfuck johnny)
i cannot make it any plainer or simpler than that.
please read through this properly before coming up with another stupid reply that will mearly require me copying and pasting a section of this into another post and making you look like even more of a retard than you already are.
That is my stance. And in my opinion no one has given me any good reason or argument why I should change that point of view.
Fan johnny has given some good arguements.
PSL has been a tyopical blinkered pac fan and put forward some absolutely stupid points
Neutral corner keeps saying i'm discredited but instead of actually saying how or why I'm discredited he starts talking about floyd mayweather.
That is the small and skinny of it thus far.
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Hornfinger
Didn't work did it (seeing as my last post pointed out i've had my views my whole life and long before I'd even heard the name floyd mayweather), instead it made yourself look like a stereotypical pactard that bleets on about mayweather anytime precious pacquiao comes under any kind of scrutiny.
It's easy for you to say that you have these views your whole life but have you expressed it here before the Mayweathers made their accusation? Have you been bitching about all the boxers who had not gone through these random drug test? I need proof (<----Why is it that I seem to have seen this before?). This can be easily done, go back to your old post pre-Mayweather accusation and post them here.
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But if you really want to discuss floyd and pac then discuss the following point....
Floyd didn't acuse manny of being a steroid cheat, he simply said that from now on he'd like himself and his opponants to go through random testing before any future fights.I don't see that as being a big ask at all, especially if you are clean.
You are trying to be funny, aren't you? You discredited yourself yet again. You're the only one who didn't think that Floyd accused Manny of being a drug cheat.
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I started being pro random in and out of competition testing when I was 6 years old and used to watch my father compete in the British drug free powerlifting association. My dad was frequently tested and would only lift in the drug free organisation and none of the others because the testing was much more rigorous. My dad was british champion and held records for bench, squat and dead lift.
Years later my brother started in the same organisation and then I also did the same.
Spare us your history, nobody is interested in it. I bet you, some of the posters in here have a better history growing up with sports than you and they're not bitching about the drug test.
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What has this got to do with Floyd? Nothing. not a thing. But I'm sure you'll fiond to drag him into it some how.
Did you forget the title of this thread? Whose name is in it? Maybe you don't know what PBF stand for? It is you who we established that can't read.
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I'm obessed with fairness in sport. not pacquiao. But like a typical pactard you think the world revolves around your man.
And you think you're the only one who care about fairness? Like what I said in my previous post, the burden of proof was with Manny in the first negotiation when he refused Floyd's demands but it had shifted in the second when he agreed to it. The ball in now in Mayweather's court.
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And seeing as I was posting on this site long before you even discovered it how the hell woud you know what I've said about testing in the past?
Yep, I don't know what you have posted from long ago. Now, prove me wrong by reposting in here that you have been as passionate in your attack of the boxers who didn't go through the random drug test even before the Mayweather accusation.
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I said pretty much the same things when roy jones was rumbled years ago and shane mosley.
Were you criticizing Roy Jones every opportunity you get because he did not go through those drug test?
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I've ALWAYS believed in random testing in all sports.
I believe in that too but until that happens I am contented that the athletes are clean until they are proven otherwise.
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You keep telling yourself you've discredited me, but the fact is you are yet to make a dent in the points that I reposted (for a second time, onto the 3rd time now), Do I need to repost them for you agiain so you can dodge them again?
If you've discredited me where the fucks the evidence?
Read my post again. I didn't say that I discredited you. You did that to yourself.
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Hornfinger
pac hasn't passed a blood test so i don't know if he's clean (and that goes for every other athlete who hasn't passed random testing) sorry his word isn't good enough for me.
Not true. Manny has passed all the blood test that was required. If you are talking about the random drug test that Floyd demanded, then you're correct. Manny and almost every boxer out there haven't passed it. But the fault does not lie with Manny anymore after the second negotiation since he agreed to it and Floyd is the one who backed out of the fight.
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testing in the sport is out of date and not good enough
Even if true, what can you do about it? Until they come up with the updated test, I have to be content with what is in place. If someone is not content with that and thinks all the athletes are dirty, they might as well get their interest out of that sport.
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nevada state athletic commission don't do a good enough job and don't have the funding to do proper testing on athletes (thanks for backing up that point fanfuck johnny)
Fan johnny exposed you for not knowing what you are talking about. If the NSAC don't do a good enough job, what can you do about it? Why don't you petition yourself to be their commissioner?
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Hornfinger
That is my stance. And in my opinion no one has given me any good reason or argument why I should change that point of view.
Fan johnny has given some good arguements.
PSL has been a tyopical blinkered pac fan and put forward some absolutely stupid points
Neutral corner keeps saying i'm discredited but instead of actually saying how or why I'm discredited he starts talking about floyd mayweather.
That is the small and skinny of it thus far.
Ok, just so i don't muck this up...
This is you:
1. Pac has not passed a blood test along with any other fighter that hasn't taken random blood testing. And for you that causes a great deal of distrust.
2. Drug Testing is out of date
3. NSAC is short on funds to make this better.
My response:
1. Year round olympic style is the closest full proof method. No one in professional boxing has done true olympic year round testing (which i'm for) including PBF. He has had some random blood testing and i'm sure there are other fighters that have had unscheduled blood tests and passed. However with no professional boxer is subject to year round olympic style testing this should not instill instant guilt or lack of trust. It means nothing until the system changes. They are fighters competiting in the current system. No reason to be upset about that, right?
2. Yes, not our problem - We are not competiting
3. Yes, what can anyone do about it?
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
Didn't work did it (seeing as my last post pointed out i've had my views my whole life and long before I'd even heard the name floyd mayweather), instead it made yourself look like a stereotypical pactard that bleets on about mayweather anytime precious pacquiao comes under any kind of scrutiny.
It's easy for you to say that you have these views your whole life but have you expressed it here before the Mayweathers made there accusation? Have you been bitching about all the boxers who had not gone through these random drug test? I need proof (<----Why is it that I seem to have seen this before?). This can be easily done, go back to your old post pre-Mayweather accusation and post them here.
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But if you really want to discuss floyd and pac then discuss the following point....
Floyd didn't acuse manny of being a steroid cheat, he simply said that from now on he'd like himself and his opponants to go through random testing before any future fights.I don't see that as being a big ask at all, especially if you are clean.
You are trying to be funny, aren't you? You discredited yourself yet again. You're the only one who didn't think that Floyd accused Manny of being a drug cheat.
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I started being pro random in and out of competition testing when I was 6 years old and used to watch my father compete in the British drug free powerlifting association. My dad was frequently tested and would only lift in the drug free organisation and none of the others because the testing was much more rigorous. My dad was british champion and held records for bench, squat and dead lift.
Years later my brother started in the same organisation and then I also did the same.
Spare us your history, nobody is interested in it. I bet you, some of the posters in here have a better history growing up with sports than you and they're not bitching about the drug test.
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What has this got to do with Floyd? Nothing. not a thing. But I'm sure you'll fiond to drag him into it some how.
Did you forget the title of this thread? Whose name is in it? Maybe you don't know what PBF stand for? It is you who we established that can't read.
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I'm obessed with fairness in sport. not pacquiao. But like a typical pactard you think the world revolves around your man.
And you think you're the only one who care about fairness? Like what I said in my previous post, the burden of proof was with Manny in the first negotiation when he refused Floyd's demands but it had shifted in the second when he agreed to it. The ball in now in Mayweather's court.
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And seeing as I was posting on this site long before you even discovered it how the hell woud you know what I've said about testing in the past?
Yep, I don't know what you have posted from long ago. Now, prove me wrong by reposting in here that you have been as passionate in your attack of the boxers who didn't go through the random drug test even before the Mayweather accusation.
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I said pretty much the same things when roy jones was rumbled years ago and shane mosley.
Were you criticizing Roy Jones every opportunity you get because he did not go through those drug test?
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I've ALWAYS believed in random testing in all sports.
I believe in that too but until that happens I am contented that the athletes are clean until they are proven otherwise.
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You keep telling yourself you've discredited me, but the fact is you are yet to make a dent in the points that I reposted (for a second time, onto the 3rd time now), Do I need to repost them for you agiain so you can dodge them again?
If you've discredited me where the fucks the evidence?
Read my post again. I didn't say that
I discredited you. You did that to yourself.
My old posts pre mayweather may or may not be still buried on this forum they are 4+ years old. Sift through the old post from 4 years ago or ask saddo to help you out. I personally can't because, i'm scared of needles, can't do it because it weakens me, the rules don't tell me i have to do it, will do it but only with 14 days notice..... :fyou:
But if you need proof of that then why don't you need proof pac is clean?
At least this shows two things. 1, how hippocritical you are and 2, maybe you have learnt something from this and I have in fact educated you and you now don't just take someones word for something. So maybe you'll stop believing athletes that say 'i'm clean' and actually ask or demand some real evidence of it.
Don't ask me to justify something i.e my anti drug history and where my views stem from and then come with the 'spare me the history.....' crap, just because it blows your theory that i only have my opinions because of floyd mayweather. It discredits you (where have i heard that before?) and makes you look like a sore whining baby.
Maybe other posters on here do have a better history in drug free sports. If they choose not to argue their point of view with some pactard prat on a forum thats their business. You're very good at going off on irrelevant tangents aren't you.
You're also good at taking things out of context. I'm not sure if it's deliberate in an attempt to steer the conversation away from the points you can't answer or put a dent in or if it's just cuz you're an idiot.To repeat (common with you ain't it spacker boy) myself. Floyd's request for drug testing before his matches has nothing to do with my views/stance.
I critisised Roy because he failed a test and that there was a question mark over him. Again it's a case of awww diddums the pactard thinks pacquiao is being unfairly critisised. You really sound like a whining baby.
The only reason you're contented with the way testing is at the moment is because it suits you're fighter. If it was pacquiao asking for stricter testing you'd be siding with that. More typical pactard behavior. If you're contented with the way things are I suggest you do some more research.
And as usual your post ends with you saying I'm discredited but with no evidence of it (pactards are just like pacquiao hahahahaha) and you've still not adressed my three key points.
What a surprise
You talk alot but you say nothing.
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Why wouldn’t Pacfans cheer for Olympic Style random blood tests? I mean, it would give everybody a slap on the face if he came out clean “Booyah! Pac is clean! Now what?! Plus he beat your fighter!” Not only that but it would make it fair for Pac as well and his fans knowing that his opponents would fight clean. It's not like a boxer is asked to fight with a hand tied behind his back, BOTH guys are going through it so its fair for both. Everybody wins with Olympic Style random blood tests.
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
That is my stance. And in my opinion no one has given me any good reason or argument why I should change that point of view.
Fan johnny has given some good arguements.
PSL has been a tyopical blinkered pac fan and put forward some absolutely stupid points
Neutral corner keeps saying i'm discredited but instead of actually saying how or why I'm discredited he starts talking about floyd mayweather.
That is the small and skinny of it thus far.
Ok, just so i don't muck this up...
This is you:
1. Pac has not passed a blood test along with any other fighter that hasn't taken random blood testing. And for you that causes a great deal of distrust.
2. Drug Testing is out of date
3. NSAC is short on funds to make this better.
My response:
1. Year round olympic style is the closest full proof method. No one in professional boxing has done true olympic year round testing (which i'm for) including PBF. He has had some random blood testing and i'm sure there are other fighters that have had unscheduled blood tests and passed. However with no professional boxer is subject to year round olympic style testing this should not instill instant guilt or lack of trust. It means nothing until the system changes. They are fighters competiting in the current system. No reason to be upset about that, right?
2. Yes, not our problem - We are not competiting
3. Yes, what can anyone do about it?
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You've been able to do in one post what neutral corner hasn't been able to do for 17 pages, and that is address the points. For that I commend you.
1. I stated in a previous post that floyd and shane were clean for their fight. fights before or after that don't included random testing have a question mark. That is my point of view.
2. No we're not but we are the consumer buying PPVs, gambling etc. We should demand/expect fair and even contests. Just cuz I'm not competing doesn't mean I shouldn't care about fairness etc. It's very easy to be apathetic towards the issue, i choose not to be ;D
3. The boxers can do alot about it. Especially the high profile ones that conduct the big money. If they all start demanding random testing etc you'd see it implemented very quickley. As fans it's obviously alot harder to make your voice heard.
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Originally Posted by
Chino
Why wouldn’t Pacfans cheer for Olympic Style random blood tests? I mean, it would give everybody a slap on the face if he came out clean “Booyah! Pac is clean! Now what?! Plus he beat your fighter!” Not only that but it would make it fair for Pac as well and his fans knowing that his opponents would fight clean. It's not like a boxer is asked to fight with a hand tied behind his back, BOTH guys are going through it so its fair for both. Everybody wins with Olympic Style random blood tests.
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
pac hasn't passed a blood test so i don't know if he's clean (and that goes for every other athlete who hasn't passed random testing) sorry his word isn't good enough for me.
Not true. Manny has passed all the blood test that was required. If you are talking about the random drug test that Floyd demanded, then you're correct. Manny and almost every boxer out there haven't passed it. But the fault does not lie with Manny anymore after the second negotiation since he agreed to it and Floyd is the one who backed out of the fight.
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testing in the sport is out of date and not good enough
Even if true, what can you do about it? Until they come up with the updated test, I have to be contented with what is in place. If someone is not contented with that and thinks all the athletes are dirty, they might as well get their interest out of that sport.
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nevada state athletic commission don't do a good enough job and don't have the funding to do proper testing on athletes (thanks for backing up that point fanfuck johnny)
Fanjohnny exposed you for not knowing what you are talking about. If the NSAC don't do a good enough job, what can you do about it? Why don't you petition yourself to be their commissioner?
Finally!!
I only had to post it 3 times!
Pacs word isn't good enough for me and your reply to that is 'not true' hahahahaha! It's a poor reply to be honest. and you have made no dent in the first point. But yes I am correct, pac and 99.9% of other fighters havn't passed a random test during the run up to a contest and that's why I don't believe they are clean.
So what your saying is if I can't do anything about it I shouldn't care about it. I should just stop talking about it and ignore it? Absolutely pathetic. That might be a great way of life for you but if I have a problem with something I say I have a problem. You just carry on being contented as long as it suits your pacquiao. Just shows you're a pac fan not a boxing fan.
Stay on track. Fan johnny showed us a document that said NSAC couldn't do the testing it wanted to do because lack of funding. Thats a fact. And to me that says testing isn't good enough. And like I said in the last paragraph if I see their being a problem with something I say, even if it does upset blinkered pac fans that live in their pac centered world.
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fan johnny
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
I just see that as rediculously nieve stance to take.
I'm ultra critical of these things, if you sit back and let organisations do what they want expect them to do what's right for them and their wallets, not the good of the sport. Why should I trust NSAC? As I say they will go up in my estimations when they bring in random blood testing, not before.
If you hold peoples feet to the fire and keep organisations on their toes generally I think you get better and more consistant governance.
Yes I do love big mega fights, but ultimately I'm of the opinion that by being stricter on having a level playing and doing more to deter cheating we will get more evenly matched contests and less one sided hammerings that the sport sometimes seems to be plagued with.
If you don't know the meaning of words you shouldn't try to use them. Don't try and write what others would say because you get it wrong. Your mind is completely warped around pacrtard and flomos. None needs to discredit you, you do that just fine all by yourself. You think you grew up and compete in a drug free competition. I guess that could be true if your talking about the kids baseball team.
As I've stated before you come off as a governmental theory conspirest. You stated your bull shit opinion and couldn't back up specifics with simple facts. When you are provided with facts, You partially accept what you think you comprehend and ignore the rest. Join the fukn USADA organization and lobby for federal funds to stop all PED users. You can be the USADA mascot with the "Take the Test" T-Shirt and run around the paying field accusing all the best players of being on PED's.
:cwm33:
Plenty of words but nothing said.
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
That is my stance. And in my opinion no one has given me any good reason or argument why I should change that point of view.
Fan johnny has given some good arguements.
PSL has been a tyopical blinkered pac fan and put forward some absolutely stupid points
Neutral corner keeps saying i'm discredited but instead of actually saying how or why I'm discredited he starts talking about floyd mayweather.
That is the small and skinny of it thus far.
Ok, just so i don't muck this up...
This is you:
1. Pac has not passed a blood test along with any other fighter that hasn't taken random blood testing. And for you that causes a great deal of distrust.
2. Drug Testing is out of date
3. NSAC is short on funds to make this better.
My response:
1. Year round olympic style is the closest full proof method. No one in professional boxing has done true olympic year round testing (which i'm for) including PBF. He has had some random blood testing and i'm sure there are other fighters that have had unscheduled blood tests and passed. However with no professional boxer is subject to year round olympic style testing this should not instill instant guilt or lack of trust. It means nothing until the system changes. They are fighters competiting in the current system. No reason to be upset about that, right?
2. Yes, not our problem - We are not competiting
3. Yes, what can anyone do about it?
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You've been able to do in one post what neutral corner hasn't been able to do for 17 pages, and that is address the points. For that I commend you.
1. I stated in a previous post that floyd and shane were clean for their fight. fights before or after that don't included random testing have a question mark. That is my point of view.
2. No we're not but we are the consumer buying PPVs, gambling etc. We should demand/expect fair and even contests. Just cuz I'm not competing doesn't mean I shouldn't care about fairness etc. It's very easy to be apathetic towards the issue, i choose not to be ;D
3. The boxers can do alot about it. Especially the high profile ones that conduct the big money. If they all start demanding random testing etc you'd see it implemented very quickley. As fans it's obviously alot harder to make your voice heard.
I've been on here a long time, i just don't post very often because i don't want to get drawn into a multiquote battle.
None the less.
1. A fair point of view, but a "?" does not = distrust or guilt. It falls under the current standard practice and should be acceptable until changed.
example: I test brake parts as a part of day job, if a customer sends me a part and says it is defective and i test it under all manufacturer specifications and tell them that there is nothing wrong with it. It would be inappropriate for them to attack me with distrust or with aggressive accusations because i am currently following the guidlines set in place.
2. You can fight the good fight; however, "Don't hate the playa, hate the game"
3. Why would the fighters ask for more drug testing whether they are clean or not. I just dont think they care nearly has much as you.
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
I've been on here a long time, i just don't post very often because i don't want to get drawn into a multiquote battle.
None the less.
1. A fair point of view, but a "?" does not = distrust or guilt. It falls under the current standard practice and should be acceptable until changed.
example: I test brake parts as a part of day job, if a customer sends me a part and says it is defective and i test it under all manufacturer specifications and tell them that there is nothing wrong with it. It would be inappropriate for them to attack me with distrust or with aggressive accusations because i am currently following the guidlines set in place.
2. You can fight the good fight; however, "Don't hate the playa, hate the game"
3. Why would the fighters ask for more drug testing whether they are clean or not. I just dont think they care nearly has much as you.
Yes I try to ease off the multi quotes, however some, particularly on this thread, live by them.
Nope you are right a ? doesn't = guilt neccassarily BUT in my view it sn't acceptable. But that's just my view.
Do your break tests cover all new break designs? Have any of your customers crashed after your tests? I would guess the answers would be yes and no. Urine testing will not detect modern steroids and PEDS. If your tests did test modern breaks sufficiantly I'm guessing your practices would be changed rght away.
I don't hate the player. I've said i think ALL ATHLETES in ALL sports who haven't been tested have a ? over them. I don't hate the game either. I love the sport BUT I don't like the commisions, promotors and politics of it.
I think fighters don't kick up a fuss for a number of reasons. All reasons lead back to two things. Money and Steroid Cheat. Money being the main one.
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Originally Posted by
Chino
Why wouldn’t Pacfans cheer for Olympic Style random blood tests? I mean, it would give everybody a slap on the face if he came out clean “Booyah! Pac is clean! Now what?! Plus he beat your fighter!” Not only that but it would make it fair for Pac as well and his fans knowing that his opponents would fight clean. It's not like a boxer is asked to fight with a hand tied behind his back, BOTH guys are going through it so its fair for both. Everybody wins with Olympic Style random blood tests.
I am for the strictest style random blood test. But until that becomes the required test I will have to be content with the one that is in place and would not continually be bitching about it.
The criticism towards Pacquiao's refusal to Floyd's drug test demand in the first negotiation is reasonable given that he had the burden of proof. Now that he agreed to such demand in the second negotiation, he still gets the blame from hornfinger. That is where the disagreement is.
Like what I said in my previous post, the burden of proof here is whether Manny is a drug cheat or Floyd is a coward. The burden of proof is now with Mayweather.
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
Yes I try to ease off the multi quotes, however some, particularly on this thread, live by them.
Nope you are right a ? doesn't = guilt neccassarily BUT in my view it sn't acceptable. But that's just my view.
Do your break tests cover all new break designs? Have any of your customers crashed after your tests? I would guess the answers would be yes and no. Urine testing will not detect modern steroids and PEDS. If your tests did test modern breaks sufficiantly I'm guessing your practices would be changed rght away.
I don't hate the player. I've said i think ALL ATHLETES in ALL sports who haven't been tested have a ? over them. I don't hate the game either. I love the sport BUT I don't like the commisions, promotors and politics of it.
I think fighters don't kick up a fuss for a number of reasons. All reasons lead back to two things. Money and Steroid Cheat. Money being the main one.
Or how about they just don't give a fuk!
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Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
:::PSL:::
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
:::PSL:::
Hornfinger :11fb8:
You're still upset cuz I destroyed you a couple of pages ago I understand that.
:lol:
Destroyed you a couple of pages he said. :lolhaha:
Where are those pages? Does those pages have evidence that Pac used steroids?
Go fetch lil' doggie. Arf! arf!
Here you go pactard, seeing as you were were too stupid to read it 1st time. what is with having to reapeat posts over and over for pactards?
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Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
:::PSL:::
Joeygotfingered,
I'm still waiting for that "Pac on PEDs" proof.
Where the fuck is it?
Yes lets only blood test athletes when we already have proof of them juicing. My God that is FUCKING genius that is. That is the cleverest idea ever! You know that's such an intelligent thing to say I'm sure the people over at MENSA will be beating down your door to get you on board. I mean shit. Let's bring that in at the olympics, the only athletes that will be tested will be the ones that we already have proof of using steroids. It's a good job Einstein is dead cuz he'd be shitting himself right now with boffins like you around. The brains at NASA pale in comparison to your superior logic.......
Sarcasm aside....
As I said in another thread. This argument is the silliest most retarded thing that you can grasp at. It dumb, stupid, idiotic, moronic.... I could go on all day...
Testing solves everything. It gives proof either way. Pacfans should be wanting their hero to take the tests so you can rub it in our faces that he's clean as a whistle. You don't want him taking the tests cuz you have your doubts. I find that funny.
Mak sure you call me daddy from now on, ok little girl.
Lmfao! How about you, calling me a Master? You're a good lil' doggie. :cool:
I ask you ONE question and you come up with all kinds of bullshit. You're just trying to spin things around and come up with weak conclusion.
And you think you are walking all over me with that garbage? :lolhaha::vd: You're a fucking joke.
As long as you don't have evidence, you don't have jack shit. Anyone can accuse anyone with something. That's easy. But you need get your head out of your ass and ask yourself "do I have a case". In your situation, YOU HAVE NONE, NADA, ZIP, ZILCH.
Do you comprende cabrona?
;)
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
My old posts pre mayweather may or may not be still buried on this forum they are 4+ years old. Sift through the old post from 4 years ago or ask saddo to help you out. I personally can't because, i'm scared of needles, can't do it because it weakens me, the rules don't tell me i have to do it, will do it but only with 14 days notice..... :fyou:
But if you need proof of that then why don't you need proof pac is clean?
At least this shows two things. 1, how hippocritical you are and 2, maybe you have learnt something from this and I have in fact educated you and you now don't just take someones word for something. So maybe you'll stop believing athletes that say 'i'm clean' and actually ask or demand some real evidence of it.
Don't ask me to justify something i.e my anti drug history and where my views stem from and then come with the 'spare me the history.....' crap, just because it blows your theory that i only have my opinions because of floyd mayweather. It discredits you (where have i heard that before?) and makes you look like a sore whining baby.
Maybe other posters on here do have a better history in drug free sports. If they choose not to argue their point of view with some pactard prat on a forum thats their business. You're very good at going off on irrelevant tangents aren't you.
You're also good at taking things out of context. I'm not sure if it's deliberate in an attempt to steer the conversation away from the points you can't answer or put a dent in or if it's just cuz you're an idiot.To repeat (common with you ain't it spacker boy) myself. Floyd's request for drug testing before his matches has nothing to do with my views/stance.
I critisised Roy because he failed a test and that there was a question mark over him. Again it's a case of awww diddums the pactard thinks pacquiao is being unfairly critisised. You really sound like a whining baby.
The only reason you're contented with the way testing is at the moment is because it suits you're fighter. If it was pacquiao asking for stricter testing you'd be siding with that. More typical pactard behavior. If you're contented with the way things are I suggest you do some more research.
And as usual your post ends with you saying I'm discredited but with no evidence of it (pactards are just like pacquiao hahahahaha) and you've still not adressed my three key points.
What a surprise
You talk alot but you say nothing.
I have addressed every statement that you made in post #259 and your response is some rambling and middle finger which some poster here already stuck up your own ass!
You come up with this excuse about your old post being buried when I asked you for proof that you had already been passionate about this random drug test even before the Mayweather accusation. If there is one out there you will be more than happy to dig it out to shut me up. As made famous by a notorious idiot who wants to be shown evidence that boxers are clean to believe that they are clean: "WHERE IS THE PROOF?"
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I think we can safely declare Hornfinger the winner. Pac fans are ridiculous in their apathetic and blase approach to a very serious issue. Does anyone really think that all top level boxers shouldn't be rigorously tested for performance enhancing drugs? If there is nothing to hide then there should be no hesitation in taking a test.
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miles
I think we can safely declare Hornfinger the winner. Pac fans are ridiculous in their apathetic and blase approach to a very serious issue. Does anyone really think that all top level boxers shouldn't be rigorously tested for performance enhancing drugs? If there is nothing to hide then there should be no hesitation in taking a test.
I would tend to have to disagree here...
No one is taking the position that stricter testing is a bad thing and no top level athlete shouldn't take the tests.
The "Pac defense" boils down to how the fighters are playing within the rules of the sport. Case closed - When the rules change for everyone across the board then the debate is more then welcome to resurface.
Are you sure you read the arguments within the last few pages?
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Originally Posted by
miles
I think we can safely declare Hornfinger the winner. Pac fans are ridiculous in their apathetic and blase approach to a very serious issue. Does anyone really think that all top level boxers shouldn't be rigorously tested for performance enhancing drugs? If there is nothing to hide then there should be no hesitation in taking a test.
So I guess Bernard Hopkins is on steroid too then huh? :-\ Similar thing what happened to Roy Jones Jr years ago.
Quit sourgraping Miley. ;)
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
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Originally Posted by
miles
I think we can safely declare Hornfinger the winner. Pac fans are ridiculous in their apathetic and blase approach to a very serious issue. Does anyone really think that all top level boxers shouldn't be rigorously tested for performance enhancing drugs? If there is nothing to hide then there should be no hesitation in taking a test.
I would tend to have to disagree here...
No one is taking the position that stricter testing is a bad thing and no top level athlete shouldn't take the tests.
The "Pac defense" boils down to how the fighters are playing within the rules of the sport. Case closed - When the rules change for everyone across the board then the debate is more then welcome to resurface.
Are you sure you read the arguments within the last few pages?
Yep, read them all except for the multi quote ones because they are just irritating.
Pac refused a mega fight that the world was clamouring for because he wouldn't take a drug test. That's what it boils down to. Case indeed closed.
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Originally Posted by
:::PSL:::
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Originally Posted by
miles
I think we can safely declare Hornfinger the winner. Pac fans are ridiculous in their apathetic and blase approach to a very serious issue. Does anyone really think that all top level boxers shouldn't be rigorously tested for performance enhancing drugs? If there is nothing to hide then there should be no hesitation in taking a test.
So I guess Bernard Hopkins is on steroid too then huh? :-\ Similar thing what happened to Roy Jones Jr years ago.
Quit sourgraping Miley. ;)
Pac refused to fight Floyd Mayweather because he had issues with taking a drugs test. Hopkins should take tests too. All boxers should.
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miles
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Originally Posted by
:::PSL:::
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Originally Posted by
miles
I think we can safely declare Hornfinger the winner. Pac fans are ridiculous in their apathetic and blase approach to a very serious issue. Does anyone really think that all top level boxers shouldn't be rigorously tested for performance enhancing drugs? If there is nothing to hide then there should be no hesitation in taking a test.
So I guess Bernard Hopkins is on steroid too then huh? :-\ Similar thing what happened to Roy Jones Jr years ago.
Quit sourgraping Miley. ;)
Pac refused to fight Floyd Mayweather because he had issues with taking a drugs test. Hopkins should take tests too. All boxers should.
Have some posters in here been trapped in a cave after the first Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiation? Wake up! They had already been through a second negotiation and do we even need to remind some people here as to what happened in that negotiation?
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
miles
I think we can safely declare Hornfinger the winner. Pac fans are ridiculous in their apathetic and blase approach to a very serious issue. Does anyone really think that all top level boxers shouldn't be rigorously tested for performance enhancing drugs? If there is nothing to hide then there should be no hesitation in taking a test.
This statement coming from an unbias poster ............ (SARCASM!!!)
First of all, this isn't even a competition. If it is, then hornfinger will insist that we get tested for drugs.
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
Pac should have told them he'd take the drug tests for 75% of the purse.
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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miles
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Originally Posted by
miles
I think we can safely declare Hornfinger the winner. Pac fans are ridiculous in their apathetic and blase approach to a very serious issue. Does anyone really think that all top level boxers shouldn't be rigorously tested for performance enhancing drugs? If there is nothing to hide then there should be no hesitation in taking a test.
So I guess Bernard Hopkins is on steroid too then huh? :-\ Similar thing what happened to Roy Jones Jr years ago.
Quit sourgraping Miley. ;)
Pac refused to fight Floyd Mayweather because he had issues with taking a drugs test. Hopkins should take tests too. All boxers should.
The only difference here is that Pascal still took the fight and for that Hopkins is no where near on the same level of ridicule as Pac. PBF claimed time and time again Pac is an easy opponent for multiple reasons, if he would fought and beat Pac without the tests, would we all still be talking about Bloodtests in the same manner.
Didn't a Klitchko turn down a blood test at some point, where is the uproar?
To me this blood test is only a big deal because Mayweather didn't want to fight without it, even though he gave a 14 day window (which was later accepted) and then changed it to 0, then went on vacation and stopped thinking about boxing.
Meanwhile Pac is still fighting without bloodtests and most are still watching hundreds of other fighters that have not taken a blood test.
Why is anyone watching Boxing or any combat sport without the blood test? We should go on strike as viewers, we should protest all combat sports, we should just kill ourselves in protest on how much not taking these fukking blood tests are ruining the way of life. Oh my Gawd this topic is so important i think i'm going to stop eating until all athletes take bloodtests everyday of their lives. That is the only way to be sure that sports are played fairly.
~taking my pill now~
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Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
miles
I think we can safely declare Hornfinger the winner. Pac fans are ridiculous in their apathetic and blase approach to a very serious issue. Does anyone really think that all top level boxers shouldn't be rigorously tested for performance enhancing drugs? If there is nothing to hide then there should be no hesitation in taking a test.
So I guess Bernard Hopkins is on steroid too then huh? :-\ Similar thing what happened to Roy Jones Jr years ago.
Quit sourgraping Miley. ;)
Has Hopkins had random testing on the build up to a fight? Not that I'm aware of
Does he have a question mark over his head? In my opinion absolutely.
