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How long before Mayweather is stripped of his belt by the WBC?
He is the universally recognized Welterweight Champion but he has not fought a Welterweight since he won the title. By the time he fights DLH again. It will be nearly 2 years without a mandatory defense.
BTW this is not a nock on Mayweather, I'm just curious if this is something that will happen soon. Also we could see some interesting developements since Andre Berto is currently WBC's #1 contender and that ain't likely to change for a while.
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Re: How long before Mayweather is stripped of his belt by the WBC?
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The Rookie Fan
He is the universally recognized Welterweight Champion but he has not fought a Welterweight since he won the title. By the time he fights DLH again. It will be nearly 2 years without a mandatory defense.
BTW this is not a nock on Mayweather, I'm just curious if this is something that will happen soon. Also we could see some interesting developements since Andre Berto is currently WBC's #1 contender and that ain't likely to change for a while.
Hatton was the #1 contender for his welterweight belt when they fought for that last December.
He won't fight a natural welter, it ain't his thing :rolleyes:
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A good point. Mayweather is not keen on facing any real 147lbers is he?
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Im possibly being ironic.
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I wish people would shut up saying Floyd doesn't fight any real welterweights.
Baldomir was the UNDISPUTED UNIVERSALLY RECOGNISED welterweight world champ
Zab Judah was the former UNDISPUTED UNIVERSALLY RECOGNISED welterweight world champ.
De La Hoya was the former WBC WELTERWEIGHT world champ
Hatton was the former WBA WELTERWEIGHT world champ
Floyd has fought 4 times at welterweight, 3 of those fights were against former welterweight world champs, one was still the reigning champ.
What people mean when they say he hasn't faced a real welterweight is that he hasn't faced Cotto or another fighter that they want him to face yet.
His career isn't over, he WILL fight all those fights just give him time.
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Re: How long before Mayweather is stripped of his belt by the WBC?
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leftylee
Hatton was the #1 contender for his welterweight belt when they fought for that last December.
Is that official? How was Hatton the #1 contender?
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leftylee
Hatton was the #1 contender for his welterweight belt when they fought for that last December.
He won't fight a natural welter, it ain't his thing :rolleyes:
Exactly. After Hatton vs Mayweather was signed, the WBC announced that Hatton was the #1 Mandatory Challenger for the WBC Welterweight Title.
Thus, Mayweathers next mandatory will not be due until December 2008, and after that he could always ask for an extension, which are frequently granted for their biggest money makers.
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Re: How long before Mayweather is stripped of his belt by the WBC?
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miles
Im possibly being ironic.
No really you ain't. Sharmba Mitchell was shot to fuck, Zab Judah was coming off a loss and he chooses the most predictable fighter Baldomir who just ploughs forward which you can then pick him off and run. Baldomir had like 9 losses also when he fought Floyd :rolleyes:
There's guys like Margarito, Cotto, Cintron and Williams he could have and can fight but he won't :-\
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The WBC can do any thing they want. Like when David Diaz was made WBC interim lightweight champ, even though Joel Casamayor had not shown any indication that he would not meet his next mandatory. ANd then in hilarious fashion, the WBC strips Casamayor of the World title and gives it to Diaz, and take Diaz interim title and gives it to Casamayor.
That is why I am a strong supporter of the most credible title in boxing:THE RING.
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Re: How long before Mayweather is stripped of his belt by the WBC?
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bilbo
I wish people would shut up saying Floyd doesn't fight any real welterweights.
Baldomir was the UNDISPUTED UNIVERSALLY RECOGNISED welterweight world champ- As I mentioned he had 9 losses and was the most predictable fighter ever, just hit him and run :rolleyes:
Zab Judah was the former UNDISPUTED UNIVERSALLY RECOGNISED welterweight world champ- he was coming off a loss.
De La Hoya was the former WBC WELTERWEIGHT world champ - oh yes but YEARS ago and when Floyd fought him he was a part-time fighter and not the same as he was when Oscar was welter champ.
Hatton was the former WBA WELTERWEIGHT world champ - who looked totally awful and nearly got KO'd in the latter rounds against Collazo and even his team said he was a natural 140 pounder.
Floyd has fought 4 times at welterweight, 3 of those fights were against former welterweight world champs, one was still the reigning champ.
What people mean when they say he hasn't faced a real welterweight is that he hasn't faced Cotto or another fighter that they want him to face yet.- Margarito who he ducked.
His career isn't over, he WILL fight all those fights just give him time.
No really he won't Dildo.
As for "Former champions" You said it Ol'bo :D
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Re: How long before Mayweather is stripped of his belt by the WBC?
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leftylee
No really you ain't. Sharmba Mitchell was shot to fuck, Zab Judah was coming off a loss and he chooses the most predictable fighter Baldomir who just ploughs forward which you can then pick him off and run. Baldomir had like 9 losses also when he fought Floyd :rolleyes:
There's guys like Margarito, Cotto, Cintron and Williams he could have and can fight but he won't :-\
How could he have played it any different at WW? He made the fight with Zab before the Baldomir loss, when Zab was the undisputed lineal champ. How is that not trying to fight the real WW champ. Then Zab loses. He fights him anyway, but that pretty much forced him to fight Baldy if he wanted the lineal title. He could have not fought Baldomir, but then he would be ignoring the real lineal champ. I guess he could have fought Cotto instead of Oscar, but that would would have made about ZERO business sense.
Hatton was the universally recognized 140lb champ and former beltholder at 147. Are would you give Kessler or Calzaghe crap for defending against and beating Kelly Pavlik? The univeral champ one weight class below is almost always a legit defense.
He'll fight Cotto eventually. If he doesn't fight Cotto with the next two years, we can bitch, because Cotto is the ONLY fighter who has really earned a shot at Floyd at 147. Tony screwed himself when he lost to Williams. Cintron? Please! Williams? Can we stop with that now. If Tony beats Cintron, then beats Cotto, or if Cintron beats Tony then Cotto (yeah, right) those guys will have claim.
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Re: How long before Mayweather is stripped of his belt by the WBC?
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leftylee
No really you ain't. Sharmba Mitchell was shot to fuck, Zab Judah was coming off a loss and he chooses the most predictable fighter Baldomir who just ploughs forward which you can then pick him off and run. Baldomir had like 9 losses also when he fought Floyd :rolleyes:
There's guys like Margarito, Cotto, Cintron and Williams he could have and can fight but he won't :-\
You might have had a point if you didn't say Margarito. He has 4 legit losses and several of Baldomir's 9 may have been attributed to homecooking in favor of the other fighter. Baldomir, who just ploughs forward would give Margarito a ton of trouble and considering he legitimately beat Zab Judah I fail to understand how you find fault with Mayweather defeating him. I don't see how you find fault with him fighting Zab Judah on his 2nd outing at 147. At the time, Judah was definitely still elite and only had 3 losses to his record.
Sharmba Mitchell was his first fight at 147, whereas Paul Williams had had how many fights when he fought him AFTER?
Just proves people will see what they want to see regardless of the situation, but just to go a step further he just got through defending his belt to someone who was in the weight class. Granted Hatton knows he isn't a welter and probably won't venture to 147 again, but it was just as legit of a defense as going up to SMW and taking Oscar's belt.
The only fight that makes sense for PBF right now is Cotto and I wish he weren't wasting his time on a rematch with DLH. But I say this fight gets made next year (unless they scrap the DLH rematch).
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Re: How long before Mayweather is stripped of his belt by the WBC?
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RozzySean
How could he have played it any different at WW? He made the fight with Zab before the Baldomir loss, when Zab was the undisputed lineal champ. How is that not trying to fight the real WW champ. Then Zab loses. He fights him anyway, but that pretty much forced him to fight Baldy if he wanted the lineal title. He could have not fought Baldomir, but then he would be ignoring the real lineal champ. I guess he could have fought Cotto instead of Oscar, but that would would have made about ZERO business sense.
You just summed it up yourself mate, Floyd ain't a fighter he's a businessman and has lost all of my respect for that.
Hatton was the universally recognized 140lb champ and former beltholder at 147. Are would you give Kessler or Calzaghe crap for defending against and beating Kelly Pavlik? The univeral champ one weight class below is almost always a legit defense.
No offence mate but why are you talking about that, the fight has not happend and your going completely off subject and Kelly Pavlik can fight at sup-mid and feels good at the weight unlike what Hatton stated and Pavlik looked impressive beating JT at sup-mid wheras Hatton did not when beating Collazo so yes I would give Calzaghe or Kessler praise if they beat Pavlik for the reasons I stated.
He'll fight Cotto eventually. If he doesn't fight Cotto with the next two years, we can bitch, because Cotto is the ONLY fighter who has really earned a shot at Floyd at 147. Tony screwed himself when he lost to Williams. Cintron? Please! Williams? Can we stop with that now. If Tony beats Cintron, then beats Cotto, or if Cintron beats Tony then Cotto (yeah, right) those guys will have claim.
And a part time ODLH deserves a shot why ?? He beat him rather simple the first time and with DLH a year older how will that improve his chance of beating Floyd "Fights no welter" Mayweather ??.
BTW Your wrong mate on the first statement, PBF fought Zab after the Baldomir loss
Zab Judah
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Re: How long before Mayweather is stripped of his belt by the WBC?
I'm sure the WBC wants to have their name attached to the guy who is the unquestioned #1 PFP fighter in the world.
They might grant him an exemption for this fight, as long as he fights a welter in his next fight.
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Mayweather-cotto needs to happen
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Baby-Faced-Assassin
Mayweather-cotto needs to happen
yes i agree on that it will be very exciting fight , for watch i might just watch mayweather on the edge of my sit against cotto.
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WOW, this thread is really going the wrong way...:rolleyes:
Guys I'm simply stating that he is holding a title which he has not defended against a mandatory in almost 2 years. Granted, I did not know Hatton was named the #1 contender at the time so that pretty much blows my argument right there.
It has nothing to do with who he has fought before. I give him all the respect for fighting DLH the first time to win another title and for defending his title against the best 140lber. This is all great stuff. I'm just wondering why I've heard nothing about the WBC demanding a mandatory or claiming to stripp Mayweather after PBF decided to take a break and then fight DLH again.
Andre Berto is the #1 WBC contender and I expect their people to demand a shot at the title some time this year. I don't want to see him fight PBF any time soon but it might be interesting to see what happends at the end of the year. Whether Floyd fights Berto or whether Floyd is stripped and Berto fights some other contender for a vacant title will add another name into the top of the Welterweight melting pot.
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Re: How long before Mayweather is stripped of his belt by the WBC?
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leftylee
And a part time ODLH deserves a shot why ?? He beat him rather simple the first time and with DLH a year older how will that improve his chance of beating Floyd "Fights no welter" Mayweather ??.
BTW Your wrong mate on the first statement, PBF fought Zab after the Baldomir loss
Zab Judah
I think what he was trying to say was the fight with Zab was all but wrapped up before he fought Baldomir. Ta-ta was supposed to be a warm-up for Zab, not a humiliating defeat.
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well andre berto is the number one contender for floyds title, but the wbc would rather sanction big money fights to get a bigger portion of sanctioning fees, so floyds will hold it as long as he wants
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Re: How long before Mayweather is stripped of his belt by the WBC?
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The Rookie Fan
WOW, this thread is really going the wrong way...:rolleyes:
Guys I'm simply stating that he is holding a title which he has not defended against a mandatory in almost 2 years. Granted, I did not know Hatton was named the #1 contender at the time so that pretty much blows my argument right there.
It has nothing to do with who he has fought before. I give him all the respect for fighting DLH the first time to win another title and for defending his title against the best 140lber. This is all great stuff. I'm just wondering why I've heard nothing about the WBC demanding a mandatory or claiming to stripp Mayweather after PBF decided to take a break and then fight DLH again.
Andre Berto is the #1 WBC contender and I expect their people to demand a shot at the title some time this year. I don't want to see him fight PBF any time soon but it might be interesting to see what happends at the end of the year. Whether Floyd fights Berto or whether Floyd is stripped and Berto fights some other contender for a vacant title will add another name into the top of the Welterweight melting pot.
Well, lets hope Berto doesn't fight Floyd any time soon. He's a good prospect but he has no where near the experience to fight the likes of Mayweather... Estrada gave him trouble... Trabant was slow and tentative... He was a sitting duck for berto.
Floyd will not be stripped anytime soon. The WBC will ride the "Money Mayweather" train as long as they can.:cool:
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Re: How long before Mayweather is stripped of his belt by the WBC?
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The Rookie Fan
Andre Berto is the #1 WBC contender and I expect their people to demand a shot at the title some time this year.
I don't think this is accurate. Berto's handlers think he can be a future star, and as a result they are going to be very cautious not to rush him. He's still facing the Cosme Riveras and Michel Trebants of the world, he still has several stepping stones to go before he even thinks about facing someone who is a top-caliber opponent.
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mayweather won't get stripped
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Mayweather fans will justify almost anything he does. Why the hell does he have to fight Zab after he lost to Baldimor. The credibility of the fight was gone, yet people will try to justify it.
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Master
Mayweather fans will justify almost anything he does. Why the hell does he have to fight Zab after he lost to Baldimor. The credibility of the fight was gone, yet people will try to justify it.
That's a fair criticism.
Although, for what it's worth, I still thought Zab was a more dangerous opponent for Floyd than Baldomir was, even though Baldomir had beaten Zab head-to-head.
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Master
Mayweather fans will justify almost anything he does. Why the hell does he have to fight Zab after he lost to Baldimor. The credibility of the fight was gone, yet people will try to justify it.
The fight was made and the deal was signed. Zab was still a legit opponent and a bigger threat than Baldy. I guess he could have cancelled the Judah fight and gone straight to Baldomir, but then people would have bitched he was ducking Zab and that said. Zab had just had an off night. Or waited for Zab to rematch Baldy and stay in limbo. I've been on Mayweather's case for a lot of things, but he handled that situation right. Anyway, he beat them both and didn't waste much time.
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But Margarito was even more dangerous at the time.
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Master
But Margarito was even more dangerous at the time.
Probably, but he didn't have the recognition or lineal title. Tony was a paper champ, regardless of wheither he was more dangerous or not. Zab was the real champ when Floyd made the fight, then Baldy was the real champ. Then he fought Oscar.
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I was wondering the same thing about that WBC strap.
Unfortunately, I think Money Mayweather has reached Goldey Boy status and can pretty much pick and choose what he wants to do...meaning the organization will probably cater to whatever he wants to do and let him hold on to the straps as long as he wants. Oscar De La Hoya was no different when it came to sitting on titles.
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The Rookie Fan
WOW, this thread is really going the wrong way...:rolleyes:
Guys I'm simply stating that he is holding a title which he has not defended against a mandatory in almost 2 years. Granted, I did not know Hatton was named the #1 contender at the time so that pretty much blows my argument right there.
It has nothing to do with who he has fought before. I give him all the respect for fighting DLH the first time to win another title and for defending his title against the best 140lber. This is all great stuff. I'm just wondering why I've heard nothing about the WBC demanding a mandatory or claiming to stripp Mayweather after PBF decided to take a break and then fight DLH again.
Andre Berto is the #1 WBC contender and I expect their people to demand a shot at the title some time this year. I don't want to see him fight PBF any time soon but it might be interesting to see what happends at the end of the year. Whether Floyd fights Berto or whether Floyd is stripped and Berto fights some other contender for a vacant title will add another name into the top of the Welterweight melting pot.
S'ok man I was thinking the same thing. I was thinking while I was away that when I get back on that somebody could answer this for me. I can't believe Hatton was made #1 contender. I'm a massive Hatton fan but that is a fucking joke. This thread should not be taken as a dig at Floyd, but more a dig at the WBC who I'm afraid stack up with all the other sanctioning bodies as a fucking joke. I don't care if Floyd is #1 P4P, there shouldn't be a rule for one guy that is different from the next.
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SweetPea
That's a fair criticism.
Although, for what it's worth, I still thought Zab was a more dangerous opponent for Floyd than Baldomir was, even though Baldomir had beaten Zab head-to-head.
It's not worth much
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bzkfn
S'ok man I was thinking the same thing. I was thinking while I was away that when I get back on that somebody could answer this for me. I can't believe Hatton was made #1 contender. I'm a massive Hatton fan but that is a fucking joke. This thread should not be taken as a dig at Floyd, but more a dig at the WBC who I'm afraid stack up with all the other sanctioning bodies as a fucking joke. I don't care if Floyd is #1 P4P, there shouldn't be a rule for one guy that is different from the next.
That's exactly the point of this thread. Wheather or not it was the same with DLH or other big stars is irrelavent. It don't make it right. WBC, like all other sanctioning bodies should force their champions to defend their titles. At least one mandatory a year. And if Hatton was made to be Mayweather's mandatory, fine even though I don't agree with it, but that means Mayweather has to fight a Welterweight contender before the year is up or vacate the title. Given that he is facing DLH in September, I don't see this happening.
As for Berto, I think by the end of the year he will be ready to chalange any of the top Welterweights. Not saying that he will beat any of them, just saying that he has proven he can dominate at the level he is now, so he should step up to the top contender level and fight guys like Clottey, Collazo, Gomez, Judah and by the end of the year he'll be ready to face guys like Margarito, Williams, Quintana, Cintron, Mosley, etc. In 2009 he should be able to chalange for a title if not have one already.
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Sort of irrelevant to this discussion, but the thread got me thinking:
When does a boxer become 'mandatory'? I'm assuming that it is not enough to 'merely' be ranked #1, usually you have to win an eliminator as well. Isn't that correct?
(To take an exampke, then Froch is currently rated #1 by the WBC, but I assume he is not being labeled 'mandatory' before he has beaten #2 Inkin in the upcoming eliminator).
In other words, had Berto not specifically won a WBC-eliminator, Floyd would just need to make a defense against anyone in the WBC top 15, right?
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Kel
It's not worth much
No offense, but you're quickly establishing yourself as one of the worst members of this board.
I think you've replied to about 5 of my posts lately, and I'm still waiting for the first reply that actually contains something of intelligence and/or substance.
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Re: How long before Mayweather is stripped of his belt by the WBC?
Floyd is a FRAUD.
He almost had me fooled.
Money Mayweather is counterfeit.
I like that saying.
Counterfeit Mayweather Jr.
;D
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Danny_G
Floyd is a FRAUD.
He almost had me fooled.
Money Mayweather is counterfeit.
I like that saying.
Counterfeit Mayweather Jr.
;D
Hay Danny G, who was the fighter in your sig after all. Did anybody get it? I missed it.
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I really do not buy into Mayweather having to fight Zab Zudah after he lost to Baldimor. Any justification to that fight was lost when Zab got beat and it cannot be justified.
However, it is being justified Mayweather having to fight Baldimor because he was the lineal champion, Oscar because it was a huge legacy fight, Hatton because ….he was undefeated? light welter champion? held a version of the welter title? You get my point, you can justify anything including not fighting Cotto, which is plainly ridiculous because he has beaten better Welterweights than Mayweather and deserves to be recognised as the best at the weight.
So in conclusion, to claim Floyd as the best P4P in the world when he is not the best at his own weight is simply wrong. It is plain to see Mayweather has avoided the best Welters in the division.
