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How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
Not too good IMO i think majority of them would of beaten him.
Younger Shane Mosley vs Miguel Cotto = Mosley by UD
ODLH vs Miguel Cotto = ODLH by UD
Jose Luis Lopez vs Miguel Cotto = Lopez by TKO
Ike Quartey vs Miguel Cotto = Quartey by UD
Pernell Whitaker vs Miguel Cotto = Whitaker by UD
Felix Trinidad vs Miguel Cotto = Tito by TKO
I know im probably going to get a lot of stick from Cotto fans but really i can't see Cotto beating most of the elite 90's Welterweights.
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
There is no shame in this. I can't see Mayweather beating prime Mosley, De la Hoya, Whitaker or Trinidad and he is the consensus P4P best. It was a very good era in the welterweight division. IMO second only to the early 80s. It is a shame more fights were not made between these guys.
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
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The Rookie Fan
There is no shame in this. I can't see Mayweather beating prime Mosley, De la Hoya, Whitaker or Trinidad and he is the consensus P4P best. It was a very good era in the welterweight division. IMO second only to the early 80s. It is a shame more fights were not made between these guys.
Yes i totally agree except for Mayweather losing to ODLH, Tito, Mosley, i would say Whitaker vs Mayweather would be a draw to hard to pick a winner from that match up.
Whitaker vs Quartey
Trinidad vs Quartey
Mosley vs Trinidad
ODLH vs Lopez
Trinidad vs Lopez
ODLH vs Quartey Rematch.
ODLH vs Tito Rematch.
So many great match ups we missed out on.
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
Cmon.....ICB , i don't going stick on you , but i think that you underestimate Cotto too much my friend , look I'm a realist Cottos fan and i know that some of his fight he showed that his chin wasnt good enough , but now is different bro...Cotto before didn't have the good discipline in his training that has now , you mentioned Trinidad , in his beginning he was the same and surpassed that , if you see Cotto now has the skill that can fight outboxing , toe to toe as always like , he getting better his defense and etc......We just have give him his time......:cool:
All the guys that mentioned , the skill that Cotto have right now , i think that have to give the benefit of the doubt ICB.......:cool:
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
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ICB
Not too good IMO i think majority of them would of beaten him.
Younger Shane Mosley vs Miguel Cotto = Mosley by UD
ODLH vs Miguel Cotto = ODLH by UD
Jose Luis Lopez vs Miguel Cotto = Lopez by TKO
Ike Quartey vs Miguel Cotto = Quartey by UD
Pernell Whitaker vs Miguel Cotto = Whitaker by UD
Felix Trinidad vs Miguel Cotto = Tito by TKO
I know im probably going to get a lot of stick from Cotto fans but really i can't see Cotto beating most of the elite 90's Welterweights.
IT's your opinion no need for no one to give stick lol
I will only say this. People still saying Cotto would loose to this guy and the other and keeps wining. Shane is still a great fighter in fact he is better now than before since he has more experience and still has his physical qualities.
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
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Macho
Cmon.....ICB , i don't going stick on you , but i think that you underestimate Cotto too much my friend , look I'm a realist Cottos fan and i know that some of his fight he showed that his chin wasnt good enough , but now is different bro...Cotto before didn't have the good discipline in his training that has now , you mentioned Trinidad , in his beginning he was the same and surpassed that , if you see Cotto now has the skill that can fight outboxing , toe to toe as always like , he getting better his defense and etc......We just have give him his time......:cool:
All the guys that mentioned , the skill that Cotto have right now , i think that have to give the benefit of the doubt ICB.......:cool:
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I don't underestimate Cotto at all i have seen almost every single fight of his career, i always defend Cotto but im sorry i can't see him beating a stronger, faster, younger Mosley. I can't see him beating ODLH who used to have good footwork good power and excellent speed. I can't see him beating iron chinned Lopez who has dynamite in both hands that would be a bad style match up for Cotto. I can't see him beating Quartey who also had dynamite in both hands and a piston left jab, i for certain can't see him beating one of the best defensive fighters of all time aka Pernell Whitaker, And for certain again i can't see him beating Felix Trinidad in a toe to toe battle no way.
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
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Puya
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ICB
Not too good IMO i think majority of them would of beaten him.
Younger Shane Mosley vs Miguel Cotto = Mosley by UD
ODLH vs Miguel Cotto = ODLH by UD
Jose Luis Lopez vs Miguel Cotto = Lopez by TKO
Ike Quartey vs Miguel Cotto = Quartey by UD
Pernell Whitaker vs Miguel Cotto = Whitaker by UD
Felix Trinidad vs Miguel Cotto = Tito by TKO
I know im probably going to get a lot of stick from Cotto fans but really i can't see Cotto beating most of the elite 90's Welterweights.
IT's your opinion no need for no one to give stick lol
I will only say this. People still saying Cotto would loose to this guy and the other and keeps wining. Shane is still a great fighter in fact he is better now than before since he has more experience and still has his physical qualities.
Watch the Mosley that fought ODLH in there 1st fight then watch the Mosley that fought Cotto there is quite a big difference. Yes Mosley still is a good fighter and yes i give Cotto big props for the win, but there is quite a big difference to the Mosley of 2000 and the Mosley that fought Cotto.
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
At this time it's difficult to pick cotto over alot of the fighters mentioned..But that's just because cotto's seems strangly untested to me...Or no not untested..but he hasn't really got that fighter on his record to suggest he could hang with the legends of the division.Give him a few years and i bet you,you would get a completly different response from most people if you asked the same quistion.
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
I do notice this.
a lot of boxing fans always pick past generation boxers over the next.
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
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ICB
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Originally Posted by
Macho
Cmon.....ICB , i don't going stick on you , but i think that you underestimate Cotto too much my friend , look I'm a realist Cottos fan and i know that some of his fight he showed that his chin wasnt good enough , but now is different bro...Cotto before didn't have the good discipline in his training that has now , you mentioned Trinidad , in his beginning he was the same and surpassed that , if you see Cotto now has the skill that can fight outboxing , toe to toe as always like , he getting better his defense and etc......We just have give him his time......:cool:
All the guys that mentioned , the skill that Cotto have right now , i think that have to give the benefit of the doubt ICB.......:cool:
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I don't underestimate Cotto at all i have seen almost every single fight of his career, i always defend Cotto but im sorry i can't see him beating a stronger, faster, younger Mosley. I can't see him beating ODLH who used to have good footwork good power and excellent speed. I can't see him beating iron chinned Lopez who has dynamite in both hands that would be a bad style match up for Cotto. I can't see him beating Quartey who also had dynamite in both hands and a piston left jab, i for certain can't see him beating one of the best defensive fighters of all time aka Pernell Whitaker, And for certain again i can't see him beating Felix Trinidad in a toe to toe battle no way.
I know that you know what a power punch that Cotto has too , we can forget that , we will summarize all the power and good skill that they would have , but we have to give him a time , he just have 3 fights in WW and now he is the most fear in that Div....;D
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
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Puya
I do notice this.
a lot of boxing fans always pick past generation boxers over the next.
I don't im actually one of those people that think past fighters get overrated.
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
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Originally Posted by
ICB
Not too good IMO i think majority of them would of beaten him.
Younger Shane Mosley vs Miguel Cotto = Mosley by UD
ODLH vs Miguel Cotto = ODLH by UD
Jose Luis Lopez vs Miguel Cotto = Lopez by TKO
Ike Quartey vs Miguel Cotto = Quartey by UD
Pernell Whitaker vs Miguel Cotto = Whitaker by UD
Felix Trinidad vs Miguel Cotto = Tito by TKO
I know im probably going to get a lot of stick from Cotto fans but really i can't see Cotto beating most of the elite 90's Welterweights.
I would have to go with Quartey by KO as well.....Cotto has not reached his peak yet...he is still improving....A bit unfair to put him up against ATG's just yet....I would make this judgement again in about 2 years or so
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
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The Rookie Fan
There is no shame in this. I can't see Mayweather beating prime Mosley, De la Hoya, Whitaker or Trinidad and he is the consensus P4P best. It was a very good era in the welterweight division. IMO second only to the early 80s. It is a shame more fights were not made between these guys.
At WW it is a toss up...Shanes best was at LW...At LW I agree and have said it before....Mosley beats Mayweather
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
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ICB
Not too good IMO i think majority of them would of beaten him.
Younger Shane Mosley vs Miguel Cotto = Mosley by UD
ODLH vs Miguel Cotto = ODLH by UD
Jose Luis Lopez vs Miguel Cotto = Lopez by TKO
Ike Quartey vs Miguel Cotto = Quartey by UD
Pernell Whitaker vs Miguel Cotto = Whitaker by UD
Felix Trinidad vs Miguel Cotto = Tito by TKO
I know im probably going to get a lot of stick from Cotto fans but really i can't see Cotto beating most of the elite 90's Welterweights.
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The Rookie Fan
There is no shame in this. I can't see Mayweather beating prime Mosley, De la Hoya, Whitaker or Trinidad and he is the consensus P4P best. It was a very good era in the welterweight division. IMO second only to the early 80s. It is a shame more fights were not made between these guys.
I would have to agree with both of ya on this.
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
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ICB
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Puya
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ICB
Not too good IMO i think majority of them would of beaten him.
Younger Shane Mosley vs Miguel Cotto = Mosley by UD
ODLH vs Miguel Cotto = ODLH by UD
Jose Luis Lopez vs Miguel Cotto = Lopez by TKO
Ike Quartey vs Miguel Cotto = Quartey by UD
Pernell Whitaker vs Miguel Cotto = Whitaker by UD
Felix Trinidad vs Miguel Cotto = Tito by TKO
I know im probably going to get a lot of stick from Cotto fans but really i can't see Cotto beating most of the elite 90's Welterweights.
IT's your opinion no need for no one to give stick lol
I will only say this. People still saying Cotto would loose to this guy and the other and keeps wining. Shane is still a great fighter in fact he is better now than before since he has more experience and still has his physical qualities.
Watch the Mosley that fought ODLH in there 1st fight then watch the Mosley that fought Cotto there is quite a big difference. Yes Mosley still is a good fighter and yes i give Cotto big props for the win, but there is quite a big difference to the Mosley of 2000 and the Mosley that fought Cotto.
The Mosley that fought Oscar in their first fight would have been a handful for anyone...so blazing fast. I certainly see him beating Cotto...since a slower Mosley fought him to a draw IMO. That isn't to say i am not a fan of Cotto's. He surprised me with how much he improved technically in the Shane fight...but his defense is still porous.
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
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Puya
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ICB
Not too good IMO i think majority of them would of beaten him.
Younger Shane Mosley vs Miguel Cotto = Mosley by UD
ODLH vs Miguel Cotto = ODLH by UD
Jose Luis Lopez vs Miguel Cotto = Lopez by TKO
Ike Quartey vs Miguel Cotto = Quartey by UD
Pernell Whitaker vs Miguel Cotto = Whitaker by UD
Felix Trinidad vs Miguel Cotto = Tito by TKO
I know im probably going to get a lot of stick from Cotto fans but really i can't see Cotto beating most of the elite 90's Welterweights.
IT's your opinion no need for no one to give stick lol
I will only say this. People still saying Cotto would loose to this guy and the other and keeps wining. Shane is still a great fighter in fact he is better now than before since he has more experience and still has his physical qualities.
I dont get how people say Mosely is still a great fighter, but Delahoya is discreditied... Mosely is older and has more miles on him but people say Mosely is great and Delahoya is not:confused: I think they are both great personally
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
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JT Rock
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Originally Posted by
Puya
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Originally Posted by
ICB
Not too good IMO i think majority of them would of beaten him.
Younger Shane Mosley vs Miguel Cotto = Mosley by UD
ODLH vs Miguel Cotto = ODLH by UD
Jose Luis Lopez vs Miguel Cotto = Lopez by TKO
Ike Quartey vs Miguel Cotto = Quartey by UD
Pernell Whitaker vs Miguel Cotto = Whitaker by UD
Felix Trinidad vs Miguel Cotto = Tito by TKO
I know im probably going to get a lot of stick from Cotto fans but really i can't see Cotto beating most of the elite 90's Welterweights.
IT's your opinion no need for no one to give stick lol
I will only say this. People still saying Cotto would loose to this guy and the other and keeps wining. Shane is still a great fighter in fact he is better now than before since he has more experience and still has his physical qualities.
I dont get how people say Mosely is still a great fighter, but Delahoya is discreditied... Mosely is older and has more miles on him but people say Mosely is great and Delahoya is not:confused: I think they are both great personally
Anyone who says DLH is not a great fighter is just plain out a hater...I am not a DLH fan but you can not deny the man his accomplishments,,,,I don't care how many big fights he has lost....He has also won just as many big fights....Hell show me anyone else active who has been in as many big fights win or lose?...There isn't anyone...Hopkins, Pacquiao, Mayweather, Jones or anyone else out there.....
With that being said IMO Shane is a better fighter then Oscar ever was at any point in their careers if you matched them up Mosley comes out ahead....Both are on the decline and should call it a day with in two or so fights before the losses start effecting their legecy....
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
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DaxxKahn
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JT Rock
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Originally Posted by
Puya
IT's your opinion no need for no one to give stick lol
I will only say this. People still saying Cotto would loose to this guy and the other and keeps wining. Shane is still a great fighter in fact he is better now than before since he has more experience and still has his physical qualities.
I dont get how people say Mosely is still a great fighter, but Delahoya is discreditied... Mosely is older and has more miles on him but people say Mosely is great and Delahoya is not:confused: I think they are both great personally
Anyone who says DLH is not a great fighter is just plain out a hater...I am not a DLH fan but you can not deny the man his accomplishments,,,,I don't care how many big fights he has lost....He has also won just as many big fights....Hell show me anyone else active who has been in as many big fights win or lose?...There isn't anyone...Hopkins, Pacquiao, Mayweather, Jones or anyone else out there.....
With that being said IMO Shane is a better fighter then Oscar ever was at any point in their careers if you matched them up Mosley comes out ahead....Both are on the decline and should call it a day with in two or so fights before the losses start effecting their legecy....
I should have been clearer, I mean as of today skill for skill
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
Well Cotto winning against Mosely is about the samen as PBf beating Oscar in my opinion. And it is unfair to judge Cotto to atg because he may have more then what we are seeing now.
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
Give Cotto a chance to accomplish things like beating Margarito and Mayweather, then people will think differently of him.
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
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JT Rock
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Originally Posted by
DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by
JT Rock
I dont get how people say Mosely is still a great fighter, but Delahoya is discreditied... Mosely is older and has more miles on him but people say Mosely is great and Delahoya is not:confused: I think they are both great personally
Anyone who says DLH is not a great fighter is just plain out a hater...I am not a DLH fan but you can not deny the man his accomplishments,,,,I don't care how many big fights he has lost....He has also won just as many big fights....Hell show me anyone else active who has been in as many big fights win or lose?...There isn't anyone...Hopkins, Pacquiao, Mayweather, Jones or anyone else out there.....
With that being said IMO Shane is a better fighter then Oscar ever was at any point in their careers if you matched them up Mosley comes out ahead....Both are on the decline and should call it a day with in two or so fights before the losses start effecting their legecy....
I should have been clearer, I mean as of today skill for skill
Right now they are both in same league...Neither is elite....Both have enough to give any elite fighter a hard time and maybe win if the night is right but it is obvious neither is the fighter they once were...if that makes any sense
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
Are Shane and Oscar the same fighters they were 5-10 years ago...of course not. But that being said...i had the Shane vs. Cotto fight a draw. So despite the fact that he no longer has the great speed of his youth...the fact that he nearly beat a younger champ at this point of his career, is a testament to his great heart and ability. I don't see Shane being a dominant force anymore...but going by his last fight against Cotto...i don't see how anyone can say he no longer can compete in big fights. Is it smart for fighters to keep fighting past their prime...probably not. But i don't see Shane embarrassing himself in the near future.
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
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DaxxKahn
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JT Rock
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DaxxKahn
Anyone who says DLH is not a great fighter is just plain out a hater...I am not a DLH fan but you can not deny the man his accomplishments,,,,I don't care how many big fights he has lost....He has also won just as many big fights....Hell show me anyone else active who has been in as many big fights win or lose?...There isn't anyone...Hopkins, Pacquiao, Mayweather, Jones or anyone else out there.....
With that being said IMO Shane is a better fighter then Oscar ever was at any point in their careers if you matched them up Mosley comes out ahead....Both are on the decline and should call it a day with in two or so fights before the losses start effecting their legecy....
I should have been clearer, I mean as of today skill for skill
Right now they are both in same league...Neither is elite....Both have enough to give any elite fighter a hard time and maybe win if the night is right but it is obvious neither is the fighter they once were...if that makes any sense
My point exactly... Though the Cottodonians, think him beating Mosely was monumental, but Mayweather beats Delahoya and he gets credit for beating an old man
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
Well its like this PBF is the top guy so when he does somthing it is ripped apart and him not competing with the top welters is not helping him. But things willl change he will face Cotto and we while know whos the best.
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
Sorry ICB... Everyone knows I'm not a big Cotto fan but here goes!
Younger Shane Mosley vs Miguel Cotto = Mosley still doesn't use his jab enough... Cotto the same way
ODLH vs Miguel Cotto = ODLH by UD
Jose Luis Lopez vs Miguel Cotto = Lopez by TKO
Ike Quartey vs Miguel Cotto = Ike was good but... C'mon. Don't see it
Pernell Whitaker vs Miguel Cotto = Whitaker by UD
Felix Trinidad vs Miguel Cotto = Tito by KO
Sorry. Just needed to fix some errors;D
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
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Master
Give Cotto a chance to accomplish things like beating Margarito and Mayweather, then people will think differently of him.
I wouldn't rate Cotto any higher if he beats Margarito. The elite 90's WW's were a step up from today's WWs. Tony isn't as good the names listed, other than maybe Quartey.
The current WW division is deep and interesting, but it's not as strong as the Mosley, Tito, Oscar, Quartey era. I would favor Cotto against Quartey, because he's a more complete boxer. I could see Cotto being very competitive with prime Oscar, maybe winning a close one, but I would still give the edge to ODLH. Tito KO's Cotto. Whitaker probably outpoints him. Prime Shane wins. I'm not sure about Lopez. I haven't seen him fight enough to judge.
If Cotto beats Mayweather, perhaps I'll change my opinion.
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
Sorry ICB... Everyone knows I'm not a big Cotto fan but here goes!
Younger Shane Mosley vs Miguel Cotto = Mosley still doesn't use his jab enough... Cotto the same way
ODLH vs Miguel Cotto = ODLH by UD
Jose Luis Lopez vs Miguel Cotto = Lopez by TKO
Ike Quartey vs Miguel Cotto = Ike was good but... C'mon. Don't see it
Pernell Whitaker vs Miguel Cotto = Whitaker by UD
Felix Trinidad vs Miguel Cotto = Tito by KO
Sorry. Just needed to fix some errors;D
The record shows that Delahoya beat Quartey but everybody and there motherknows Ike got the bone that night, Ike was Awesome and his Jab is great and had the heart and skill to beat Cotto
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
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JT Rock
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
Sorry ICB... Everyone knows I'm not a big Cotto fan but here goes!
Younger Shane Mosley vs Miguel Cotto = Mosley still doesn't use his jab enough... Cotto the same way
ODLH vs Miguel Cotto = ODLH by UD
Jose Luis Lopez vs Miguel Cotto = Lopez by TKO
Ike Quartey vs Miguel Cotto = Ike was good but... C'mon. Don't see it
Pernell Whitaker vs Miguel Cotto = Whitaker by UD
Felix Trinidad vs Miguel Cotto = Tito by KO
Sorry. Just needed to fix some errors;D
The record shows that Delahoya beat Quartey but everybody and there motherknows Ike got the bone that night, Ike was Awesome and his Jab is great and had the heart and skill to beat Cotto
An Cotto's jab sucks:rolleyes:
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
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JT Rock
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DaxxKahn
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JT Rock
I should have been clearer, I mean as of today skill for skill
Right now they are both in same league...Neither is elite....Both have enough to give any elite fighter a hard time and maybe win if the night is right but it is obvious neither is the fighter they once were...if that makes any sense
My point exactly... Though the Cottodonians, think him beating Mosely was monumental, but Mayweather beats Delahoya and he gets credit for beating an old man
Truth is at this stage Cotto had a bit harder time with Mosley then he should have....Was it a really good night for Shane or bad night for Cotto?...Not sure and would not make judgement until I see both fight again....It was obvious that the Shane of 3 or 4 years ago would have made an easy night of Cotto....Not dis-crediting Cotto because I like him as a fighter....I even said that it is unfair to judge him against elite of the 90's because he has not peaked yet...and in truth DLH, Mosley, Pernell are all on the top 50 ATG list P4P....Not really being fair to Cotto
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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JT Rock
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Originally Posted by
PRIDE OF BOSTON
Sorry ICB... Everyone knows I'm not a big Cotto fan but here goes!
Younger Shane Mosley vs Miguel Cotto = Mosley still doesn't use his jab enough... Cotto the same way
ODLH vs Miguel Cotto = ODLH by UD
Jose Luis Lopez vs Miguel Cotto = Lopez by TKO
Ike Quartey vs Miguel Cotto = Ike was good but... C'mon. Don't see it
Pernell Whitaker vs Miguel Cotto = Whitaker by UD
Felix Trinidad vs Miguel Cotto = Tito by KO
Sorry. Just needed to fix some errors;D
The record shows that Delahoya beat Quartey but everybody and there motherknows Ike got the bone that night, Ike was Awesome and his Jab is great and had the heart and skill to beat Cotto
An Cotto's jab sucks:rolleyes:
if you are comparing Cotto's jab to Quartey's, your friggin crazy and need to watch some Quartey fights
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
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JT Rock
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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JT Rock
The record shows that Delahoya beat Quartey but everybody and there motherknows Ike got the bone that night, Ike was Awesome and his Jab is great and had the heart and skill to beat Cotto
An Cotto's jab sucks:rolleyes:
if you are comparing Cotto's jab to Quartey's, your friggin crazy and need to watch some Quartey fights
Actually I do. I've only seen 3 or 4 from his prime...
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
Quartey had the better jab but Cotto's is nice, not to be underestimated at all. That and Ike was always a bit open for left hooks. I'd go with Cotto there. The others are tough ones. I think he could beat Lopez but he'd probably have to get off the mat and if anybody was getting stopped its probably Cotto.
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
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JT Rock
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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JT Rock
The record shows that Delahoya beat Quartey but everybody and there motherknows Ike got the bone that night, Ike was Awesome and his Jab is great and had the heart and skill to beat Cotto
An Cotto's jab sucks:rolleyes:
if you are comparing Cotto's jab to Quartey's, your friggin crazy and need to watch some Quartey fights
Quartey had a hell of a jab...Hard and accurate....The Cotto of right now against a prime Quartey of 97-98 would lose
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Sorry but to compare Cotto's jab to Quartey's jab is just plain silly. Quartey had one of the best jabs of all time, the snap and speed of the punch was a thing of beauty. And the sound of it was menacing similar to Larry Holmes jab.
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ICB
Sorry but to compare Cotto's jab to Quartey's jab is just plain silly. Quartey had one of the best jabs of all time, the snap and speed of the punch was a thing of beauty. And the sound of it was menacing similar to Larry Holmes jab.
Ok, then I stand corrected... I'll have to bone up... Like I said, I've never been that into him so I guess I'm thinking of an older Quartey
No worries:)
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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ICB
Sorry but to compare Cotto's jab to Quartey's jab is just plain silly. Quartey had one of the best jabs of all time, the snap and speed of the punch was a thing of beauty. And the sound of it was menacing similar to Larry Holmes jab.
Ok, then I stand corrected... I'll have to bone up... Like I said, I've never been that into him so I guess I'm thinking of an older Quartey
No worries:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5ly20xU7y0
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
I wouldn't say Cotto could beat any of those guys as yet BUT,SSM has always had problems with a jab. Vernon showed it. Winky showed it and Cotto showed it. He would have had much faster handspeed sure,but I think Cotto would still land that jab.Not saying he would win but the jab would cause problems to SSM and to Oscar.Neither has ever been great at handling jabs.
I agree with Ouma,he COULD beat Lopez but more likely would end up getting stopped himself. I think it's a tad too early to put Cotto in with those monsters. I'd like to add that the Tito KO and the Pernell UD are DEAD CERTS and Pernell beats everyone on that list.:D
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
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El Gamo
I wouldn't say Cotto could beat any of those guys as yet BUT,SSM has always had problems with a jab. Vernon showed it. Winky showed it and Cotto showed it. He would have had much faster handspeed sure,but I think Cotto would still land that jab.Not saying he would win but the jab would cause problems to SSM and to Oscar.Neither has ever been great at handling jabs.
I agree with Ouma,he COULD beat Lopez but more likely would end up getting stopped himself. I think it's a tad too early to put Cotto in with those monsters. I'd like to add that the Tito KO and the Pernell UD are DEAD CERTS and Pernell beats everyone on that list.:D
I agree with pretty much everything you said good posting, but even though Mosley has had trouble with jabs in the past. I still think the 2000 version would beat Cotto at the moment, as for Lopez that man was a damn animal with one of the best chins i've ever seen, really can't see Cotto beating iron chinned Lopez in a toe to toe battle. As for Pernell i totally agree mate Whitaker is one of my all time favorites.
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
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Well Cotto winning against Mosely is about the samen as PBf beating Oscar in my opinion. And it is unfair to judge Cotto to atg because he may have more then what we are seeing now.
Except Mayweather had to move up to a weight class which he has never fought at before. Plus ODLH on fight night was 1 stone heavier than Mayweather so don't you think thats more of a risk ??
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Re: How Would Miguel Cotto Have Done Against Elite 90's Welterweights ??
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JT Rock
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
Sorry ICB... Everyone knows I'm not a big Cotto fan but here goes!
Younger Shane Mosley vs Miguel Cotto = Mosley still doesn't use his jab enough... Cotto the same way
ODLH vs Miguel Cotto = ODLH by UD
Jose Luis Lopez vs Miguel Cotto = Lopez by TKO
Ike Quartey vs Miguel Cotto = Ike was good but... C'mon. Don't see it
Pernell Whitaker vs Miguel Cotto = Whitaker by UD
Felix Trinidad vs Miguel Cotto = Tito by KO
Sorry. Just needed to fix some errors;D
The record shows that Delahoya beat Quartey but everybody and there motherknows Ike got the bone that night, Ike was Awesome and his Jab is great and had the heart and skill to beat Cotto
It was a close fight but the rounds wern't really that hard to score IMO, Quartey busted ODLH up with the jab but i will give credit to ODLH. He come out for the 12th knowing he needed to do something dramatic and he did. Even though i thought Quartey won i had no problem with ODLH winning that fight based on his last round effort. Although the scoring was way off, if i remember right one judge had it so wide for ODLH that he didn't even need to score a KD in the last round that was a disgrace IMO. I think its pretty much impossible to have ODLH ahead in that right after 11 rounds without seriously biased scoring.
