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any good lads ? fill me in please
Everybody uses them
are they any good
are they bad on your kidneys ?
are they high in fat ?
Its not wether or not you use them,its what brand you useQuote:
Originally Posted by leggy
I use Body Fortress personally
How did people develop the idea that Protein shakes were bad for your kidneys? After all they are just protein, some mixed with carbohydrates, etc. Check the back of the tub to see the amino acid profile as well to see what you are getting.
The idea comes from the whole crazy high protein, very low carb diets. If your body doesnt have carbs and fat to burn it will start to burn protein as energy, which is bad for your kidneys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty
Protein shakes are a great way to add protein and other nutrients to your diet.
I include any or all of these (depending when im drinking it) in mine:
Protein powder (whey and or cassein)
water
Milk
Yogurt
Eggs
Berries (frozen or fresh)
juice
fiber supplements
peanut butter
bananas
You need to realize that some have added carbs and fats and are high calories. And some are low carb, fats and calories. It depends on your goals, which you should choose.
Actually too much protien is bad on your kidneys,but its got to be meat protien,not whey proteinQuote:
Originally Posted by Salty
Its that stupid Atkins Diet
Meat protein and whey protein are basically the same thing. The only difference is the amino acid profile and where it comes from (whey is from milk). Too much whey would be the same as too much meat protein.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
No, because your not considering the gristle content,which will take a parkQuote:
Originally Posted by wesrmanMeat protein and whey protein are basically the same thing. The only difference is the amino acid profile and where it comes from (whey is from milk). Too much whey would be the same as too much meat protein.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Atkins has caused Kidney shutdowns,hell the man himself died partially from one
That still doesnt change the fact that whey and meat proteins are the same thing. You can still get kidney problems from too much whey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyNo, because your not considering the gristle content,which will take a parkQuote:
Originally Posted by wesrmanMeat protein and whey protein are basically the same thing. The only difference is the amino acid profile and where it comes from (whey is from milk). Too much whey would be the same as too much meat protein.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Atkins has caused Kidney shutdowns,hell the man himself died partially from one
Too much protein makes your kidneys work much harder than they should, regardless of what kind of protein.
Besides the problems he had were caused more by the lack of carbs for the body to burn as fuel than it was by fat. As i said earlier, when the body burns protein as its primary source of fuel is when the problems arise.
I think we are both arguing the same side (anti atkins) in different ways :)
Excess protein can cause kidney damage because the acid group of the amino acid is converted into ammonia and then to urea which then passes through the kidneys. Too much urea passing through kidneys can cause kidney problems.
By the way, it's the amino group of the amino acid that is converted to glucose (if necessary) so actually burning excess protein for energy is not the reason for potential kidney damage...but yeah i can see what your saying - too much protein (regardless of whether or not it's whey) can cause kidney damage
Regardless,
By abstaining from Protein shakes in modern sports you're putting yourself at an instant disadvantage.
what does abstaining meen ?Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
In this context it means deciding not to take protein shakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by leggywhat does abstaining meen ?Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Lets face it,just about all fighters are on at the very least protein shakes,and usually creatine as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyIn this context it means deciding not to take protein shakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by leggywhat does abstaining meen ?Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
The Atkins diet is still a death sentence
For a person such as myself, low in body fat who has a fairly vigorous workout routine, adding protein shakes and L-glutamine to my post workouts immediately had me going from having muscle strains and injuries...to having next to none and showing rapid lean muscle gain. Essentially, meeting my goals without pain and injury.
30g protein (non-gainer) + 5g L-glutamine after every hard workout.
You need to take in simple carbs after each workout also to replace the glycogen you burn during your workout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
I use WHEY Protein.Quote:
Originally Posted by leggy
protein shakes helped me lose weight at one time.
I know there are good for that.
Would this be SPAMQuote:
Originally Posted by Lusia_knox
I believe it was;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SharlaWould this be SPAMQuote:
Originally Posted by Lusia_knox
Just eating protein after exercise is pretty much as good. In theory a shake would be better as digestion would be quicker...but the difference is minimal. Personally i haven't had a protein shake for about 6 months. There's been no holt in progress...just made sure i consume enough protein in my diet.
I used to rely on them a lot when i thought i needed 300 g of protein per day ;D
Speed of absorption (if its whey mixed with water), convenience (not having to cook a meal), and the fact that they taste good and act as a sort of treat are the main reasons i like them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
I know this is psychological but i always just feel like I've had a drink - i can never convince myself I've had a meal! It's as if psychologically solid things are just way more filling or something? :p Ok weird I know!Quote:
Originally Posted by wesrmanSpeed of absorption (if its whey mixed with water), convenience (not having to cook a meal), and the fact that they taste good and act as a sort of treat are the main reasons i like them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
haha same with me Sharla, I always have to have some peanuts and sultana's with it or a small bowl of rice, just so I get that "I've just eaten" feeling.
Glad I'm not the only one! I feel a bit less nutty now - and with me every little bit of sanity counts :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty
Maybe it's partially just the action of chewing and the act which triggers something in the brain?
Yeah sort of like mental conditioning I'm guessing, our whole lives we've been taught that eating food is what we need to get rid of hunger. I've heard some obese people confuse thirst with hunger, a reason for there over eating.Quote:
Originally Posted by SharlaGlad I'm not the only one! I feel a bit less nutty now - and with me every little bit of sanity counts :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty
Maybe it's partially just the action of chewing and the act which triggers something in the brain?
I think I do that sometimes too!Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyYeah sort of like mental conditioning I'm guessing, our whole lives we've been taught that eating food is what we need to get rid of hunger. I've heard some obese people confuse thirst with hunger, a reason for there over eating.Quote:
Originally Posted by SharlaGlad I'm not the only one! I feel a bit less nutty now - and with me every little bit of sanity counts :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty
Maybe it's partially just the action of chewing and the act which triggers something in the brain?
Luckily i've managed to get away with it so far -
I wonder if that has anything to do with what i've read about people who have a higher percentage of water being less overweight on average.
Might also be part of why caffiene is not really recommened too? too much coffee (a huge vice for me) equals less water and more false hunger?
Or is that reaching a bit!
add a little flaxseed oil. it's good for everything that ails you.
anyone do the low carb, high fat and protein diet here?
probablyQuote:
Originally Posted by boxer1234
but it's a bad idea...especially if they are boxing
:)Quote:
Originally Posted by onoprobablyQuote:
Originally Posted by boxer1234
but it's a bad idea...especially if they are boxing
I wouldn't say i do the diet but I try to be aware of how much I'm burning and especially at times when i can't train as much as I would like to I find it easier to cut down on carbs than on protein because high protein foods are so much more filling.
I have body fat % scales and I find if I gain weight my body fat percentage doesn't go up much but my muscle mass does. Perhaps I don't usually get enough protein or recover properly when I'm in full training! :confused:
Also if I'm making weight for a competition the first thing I'll cut out is complex carbs from pasta and bread but I'll keep eating tuna and having protein supplements until fairly close to the weigh in.