How anyone can say that the Christian faith isn't being singled out is mind-boggling.
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How anyone can say that the Christian faith isn't being singled out is mind-boggling.
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I don't have time to read, but I will and respond.
Oh my God! How a private group spend their own money to encourage people to be moral individuals without using the fear of the wrath of what might well be a mythological being to compel them!
AAAAAAaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!
It's really easy to explain BG, it's called Freedom of Speech. If you don't like it, well tough shit. I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but people are allowed to say what they will, it's not hurting anybody, and it's not like someone is going to read that and go, "you know what? I'm not going to believe in God anymore."
Would you prefer to live in a place where people are not allowed to say such things?
No, the almost 30 year old song, Jesus Entering Through The Rear, was a slight against Christ
Thats a billboard encouraging free thought
Let me repeat what I've said in the 'doomed' thread couple blocks away. When the da Vinci Code came out in the theaters, I thought that the world, especially the Western world, was in for a big trouble. Then, the subprime mortgage crisis came and I thought this must be it, just maybe (the crisis started almost immediately after that). Coincidence? Hmmm, perhaps...
That God you believe in seems awfully vindictive.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
It's not necessarily from God where it's coming from (and I didn't mean the devil either). Remember, I think differently but I've already made my mystical thoughts known at the other threads, and they are too long and arduous:-\ to repeat so I can't go into that here... Keep your mind open, CFH, keep 'em open.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHThat God you believe in seems awfully vindictive.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
"Why believe in a god? Just be good for goodness' sake,"
How does that upset anyone that believes in a god? You need god to be good? :-\
Of course, as evidenced by the actions of the Christians through out history. They have a lovely record of kindness, acceptance, and understanding, towards all living things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
One thing for sure, it is a sin and disrespectful to take the lords name in vain. I mean...try to be a bit more respectful for Christs sake.
I don't let religion guide my life in any way, never have, and I've always celebrated Christmas. I find this campaign really odd. To see a sign like that on a bus is weird. Of course a lot of christians are going to be a little upset over it. It just seems uncool for the Humanists to present their case in this way.
A quote from the leader of this "Humanist" Association...
"Our reason for doing it during the holidays is there are an awful lot of agnostics, atheists and other types of non-theists who feel a little alone during the holidays because of its association with traditional religion."
Sounds like horseshit to me. What, did he do a survey or something, or did he just imagine it was so to further his cause? Is their anyone here who knows any atheists or agnostics who would like to celebrate Christmas but don't because of its traditional religeous connotations? Not me, that's for sure.
Meh, Christmas is awesome. Easily one of my favorite days of the year....being an atheist, and a hypocritical one at that, going to a catholic highschool and all.
I suppose this may bother some hardcore religious fanatics as I likely appreciate it less for the religion, and more for the happiness, gifts and family. But then again, in the spirit of Christ, I like giving gifts...so possible the 'better to give then to receive' is not completely lost on me.
Christmas is as much, if not more, a secular holiday than it is a religious one. If some atheists or agnostics have a problem with it they can fuck off and grow a thicker skin. I hate this ridiculous PC bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
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Originally Posted by CFHChristmas is as much, if not more, a secular holiday than it is a religious one. If some atheists or agnostics have a problem with it they can fuck off and grow a thicker skin. I hate this ridiculous PC bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
I'm not sure of your point here. If some atheists or agnostics have a problem with what exactly?
It was regarding this quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGMQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHChristmas is as much, if not more, a secular holiday than it is a religious one. If some atheists or agnostics have a problem with it they can fuck off and grow a thicker skin. I hate this ridiculous PC bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
I'm not sure of your point here. If some atheists or agnostics have a problem with what exactly?
"Our reason for doing it during the holidays is there are an awful lot of agnostics, atheists and other types of non-theists who feel a little alone during the holidays because of its association with traditional religion."
Tough fucking shit if a religious holiday makes you feel a little alone. It's not even really a religious holiday anymore. No one forces you to view it as such.
gotcha. I guess I agree, but not quite so vehemently. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHIt was regarding this quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGMQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I'm not sure of your point here. If some atheists or agnostics have a problem with what exactly?
"Our reason for doing it during the holidays is there are an awful lot of agnostics, atheists and other types of non-theists who feel a little alone during the holidays because of its association with traditional religion."
Tough fucking shit if a religious holiday makes you feel a little alone. It's not even really a religious holiday anymore. No one forces you to view it as such.
I'm just bored. I do find much of this stuff ridiculous though, it can be a bit exasperating.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGMgotcha. I guess I agree, but not quite so vehemently. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHIt was regarding this quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
"Our reason for doing it during the holidays is there are an awful lot of agnostics, atheists and other types of non-theists who feel a little alone during the holidays because of its association with traditional religion."
Tough fucking shit if a religious holiday makes you feel a little alone. It's not even really a religious holiday anymore. No one forces you to view it as such.
And why isn't there a picture of a menorah on that sign?
Isn't christmas derived from Pagan traditions Yule?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHChristmas is as much, if not more, a secular holiday than it is a religious one. If some atheists or agnostics have a problem with it they can fuck off and grow a thicker skin. I hate this ridiculous PC bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
Christ's Mass = Christmas
It is the day Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. The "Christmas tree" is a throwback to a pagan tradition, but it is in celebration of something different.
It is absurd that someone who does not believe in Christ feels "leftout" of the Holiday. That is just an excuse to take a stab at Jesus. Not Muhammad not a "miracle of oil" and not Buddah. The God they denounce on those signs is the Christian God.
Except that December 25th was allready considered the birthday of the pagan Sun-God,the first Christ Mass doesnt occur until the 4th century.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
Add on the book of Luke mentions his birth at census time which occurs right after harvest not in the teeth of winter, Christ was probably born in October or September
That's why I said the day Christians "celebrate" his birth.
And like I said,non-christians celebrate other thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
Educated beyond your intellegence I see. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyAnd like I said,non-christians celebrate other thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
How did you type that, with your fingers in your ears?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorillaEducated beyond your intellegence I see. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyAnd like I said,non-christians celebrate other thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
I must agree that Christmas has a pagan origin but celebrating it does not mean celebrating the pagan traditions. We are simply commemorating the birth of Christ as celebrated by almost all who believe in Christ. Finding the accurate date to celebrate the birth of Christ would be impossible. There's no record as to its exact date. If we celebrate it in September or October(assuming one of them is the correct month), the next question would then be.... What DAY?
Regarding these atheists, if they don't believe in Christ or in God, why would they be celebrating Christmas?:-\
First off Agnostic, secondly because for one single day of the year, people act like the people they could be,and treat each other with kindnessQuote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
Maybe their doing it for the sun god, maybe theyre doing it for Kwanza,Maybe theyre doing it for Hannuka maybe their doing it for the heck of it.
But they are doing it that day
Thats something worth celebrating all on its own
Christmas has no real spiritual meaning for me. Christmas Day is the same as any other day really in Korea. Its different back home because Mum likes to get stressed over cooking the Christmas dinner and there is family and gifts for everyone to share around. But even back home it has never been symbolic of Christ, its just about getting the family together and have a day without bickering and eating well. I would appreciate that more if I was back home, but it certainly wouldnt be a religious thing. Family is all it could be about for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
And here I am still waffling on, and never getting around to going home. :-\
Yeah True.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyExcept that December 25th was allready considered the birthday of the pagan Sun-God,the first Christ Mass doesnt occur until the 4th century.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
Add on the book of Luke mentions his birth at census time which occurs right after harvest not in the teeth of winter, Christ was probably born in October or September
Christ consioussness is the next immediate stage up from us in the state we are now in.
The real man who got crucified his name was Yeshua Ben Joseph. He is the leader of the Christ state of consiusness . Jesus is the name that came from the Greek translation some 300 years after the event.
Greeks cant say Yerh like in the sound that Y makes in the word yes.
So they got as close as they had which was a J.
Thus Jesus the Christed one became Jesus Christ. He was a Picean.
There has been other Christed beings too ,but this one is the King of this way of being.
Yeshuas father Joseph was a craftsman;not a woodcarpenter, A master craftsmen of the Essene order.
His mother; Mary, a temple virgin as all temple virgins were all called Mary .The story got a bit bent ,but that serves a greater purpose too, both for the lost that buy it and the ones who continue to profit from it.
These people who make such adverts as this one the bus are cool they also serve the purpose of humans exploring every avenue possible,its why we are here its what we do here.
The Roman Church messed with so much truth when they took over the Pauline style of Christianity that was overtaking their own religion and rule.The Bastards changed his birth date, moved it to their existing holiday time, Sabbath moved from Saturday to Sunday and worse of all,they placed themselves in between God and humans by making themselves the reciever of confessions and the forgiver of such, for money or favour or pennance if you were broke. They hid from sight the texts that show that God is within and can only be reached that way. They hid the way. They did this so that they as a group intent on business and ruling over the masses could keep control.
The Christian Church has followed suit.
Santa/Satan/ more stuff from out of duality not from the single divine source.
You're talking about Mithras, born of a virgin mother some centuries before the "birth" of Christ, correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyExcept that December 25th was allready considered the birthday of the pagan Sun-God,the first Christ Mass doesnt occur until the 4th century.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
Add on the book of Luke mentions his birth at census time which occurs right after harvest not in the teeth of winter, Christ was probably born in October or September
Honestly, BG, what's the biggest religion in this country by far? It's like the guy who made the documentary, "Supersize Me." It's really an indictment of all fast food restaurants, but he went after the biggest one. It's the same thing here. I wouldn't call that singling out Christianity moreso than going after the one that is the predominant symbol of religion in this country. To include them all might perhaps have diluted the message.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
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Originally Posted by Andre
I decoded your message. Very clever, my man. Very clever.
2.5.9.2.6.16.9 = 5+6+16 = 27 2+7= 9
9 rings of power... 9 ring wraiths...
Bilbo = 2.9.12.2.15 = 9+12+15 = 36 3+6 = 9
A cat has nine lives ;)
SIN HATE EVIL LAVA CINCI = Bengals. Cat. Bilbo. 9...
Actually Mithras himself wasnt the Sun God but was assisted by the sun god.Quote:
Originally Posted by KillfaceYou're talking about Mithras, born of a virgin mother some centuries before the "birth" of Christ, correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyExcept that December 25th was allready considered the birthday of the pagan Sun-God,the first Christ Mass doesnt occur until the 4th century.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
Add on the book of Luke mentions his birth at census time which occurs right after harvest not in the teeth of winter, Christ was probably born in October or September
Early Christianity didnt celebrate the birthdays of any gods (and you can argue still dont considering they still have the date wrong) it was common in paganism of all sorts
So you get three 9's. And you know what happens when you turn those 9s upside down, don't you? :oQuote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorillaQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre
I decoded your message. Very clever, my man. Very clever.
2.5.9.2.6.16.9 = 5+6+16 = 27 2+7= 9
9 rings of power... 9 ring wraiths...
Bilbo = 2.9.12.2.15 = 9+12+15 = 36 3+6 = 9
A cat has nine lives ;)
SIN HATE EVIL LAVA CINCI = Bengals. Cat. Bilbo. 9...
Excellent stuff ;D.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGMSo you get three 9's. And you know what happens when you turn those 9s upside down, don't you? :oQuote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorillaQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre
I decoded your message. Very clever, my man. Very clever.
2.5.9.2.6.16.9 = 5+6+16 = 27 2+7= 9
9 rings of power... 9 ring wraiths...
Bilbo = 2.9.12.2.15 = 9+12+15 = 36 3+6 = 9
A cat has nine lives ;)
SIN HATE EVIL LAVA CINCI = Bengals. Cat. Bilbo. 9...
Dark Lord AL will be following along soon to clear up any loose ends
Wha ha ha ha ha.:goodvsevil:
The real enemy of God mankind and Christ consiousness...
666 and the titles of the Pope
Pretty much sealed and dried eh?
Considering they have changed all Gods laws and scriptures to suit themselves and their rule over us all,including all I mentioned in the other post and they actually have more pedaphilles per head per capita than any other known group.
Its pretty clear who the enemy is ,they trully are the Anti Christ.
Christmas falls in December because of the Roman pagan holiday Saturnalia, which fell in late December. Biblical scholars are fairly certain that Jesus was not born in winter. When Christianity was adopted by the Roman world, many elements of paganism were incorporated. People were willing to buy into the message, but they couldn't let go of many ancient customs and symbols. Other examples include the Easter bunny (a pagan fertility symbol for the spring), the worship of Mary (goddess worship), and the idea of saints (polytheism).Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepIsn't christmas derived from Pagan traditions Yule?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHChristmas is as much, if not more, a secular holiday than it is a religious one. If some atheists or agnostics have a problem with it they can fuck off and grow a thicker skin. I hate this ridiculous PC bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
Christianity is largely a hybrid of beliefs of Judaism, Paganism, Zoroastrianism, and Mithrism. Even a Christian religious scholar will tell you this if he's an actual scholar of world religion. A graduate of some backwater bible college might deny it, but I've heard this acknowledged by Catholic bishops and Protestant ministers alike.
If Christians get offended by the suggestion there are other ways to be a good person, or the fact that some people think their believes are nonsense, they need to suck it up and deal, just as non-Christians living in predominantly Christian nations need to deal with being saturated by Christmas for one month out of the year. I spend a beautiful December once in Israel where Christmas is barely a blip on the radar, unless you go to Jerusalem because it's teaming the Christians on pilgrimage. If you are that offended by Christmas, move somewhere else. There are plenty of other place to live that aren't Christian dominated.
If you are living in a Muslim country, are you getting to be offended because you can't get a pork chop for lunch during Ramadan? No, you better deal, because that's the dominant culture.
Christianity is a religion built on trying to convince people to believe something other than what they already believe. If people want to use their right of free speech to convince people that there are other option, they have that right, just as much as Christians have the right to try to covert people. Do the Jehovah's Witness's "offend" me when they come to my house, ring my bell, and try to convince me my beliefs are wrong? No, I just thank them for their time, say no-thank you, and have a chuckle as I wave them goodbye. Same with all those campus groups back in college.
Without prothelitizing Christians, how would you get back from the bars during Spring Break? A little speech about Jesus is well worth a free ride back to hotel to drunkenly fornicate with a little hottie you just met at the bar!!:o
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Originally Posted by CFH
Whilst I agree that freedom of speech means they can say what they want you have to admit it's blatently antagonistic.
That's to say nothing of the sheer hypocrisy on display here These humanists literally run to the law courts every time there's a suggestion that evolution actually be critiqued in the classroom and, heaven forbid that kids might be indoctrinated with the idea that the universe might be intelligently designed. 'Keep it out of the classroom!' they cry, 'religion has no place mixing with science, bla bla bla'.
Yet they themselves have no qualms at all about trying to sabatage Christianity's greatest annual celebration with their positive message of meaningless and nothing :rolleyes:
Plus it sounds all very nice to say you can have 'goodness for goodness sake' but what does that actually mean?
Without an absolute frame of reference you cannot have a system of morality as what constitutes 'good' is entirely the subjective opinions of each individual.
As it says in the book of Judges where it describes Isreal's decline into moral decadence and spiritual emptiness 'Without a ruler to judge them, everybody did what was right in his own eyes'.
That basis for morality always leads to complete shitness and the eventual collapse of every civilisation that has gone before us.
The Western world is now just going the way of Ancient Rome, it won't last much longer.
I have religion class next term. Looking forward to it actually as they are making me attend as they don't feel I will benefit from doing my usual laptop school work.
Yes, looking forward to it indeed. I anticipate much sleeping. :drool:
What fun a Catholic school!:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
Why dont you make it interesting and ask them a few questions.
Hey just for fun :;D ask them this: In Genesis page 1 it states that God said let there be light and there was light and it was the first day.
later on in the same chapter it says (a couple of days later) like on the 3rd day etc And God made the large light for the day and the lesser light for the night.
Ask them what the original light source was on the first day,if they make an excuse up about getting the verses slightly the wrong way around etc;they dont know and are are just parrot teachers going word for word ;leave them and go to sleep;). If they explain to you what that original light actually was ,please let us know their answer.
there is one I want to know if they know.
Also:
Strange how that the new "Lord God" showed up to Moses right when he needed a new explaination for his unrepentant followers to stick with him through the desert years!
So the Lord God shows up to Moses with a name change after Billions of years of creation had already been underway with commandments telling them what to do and they will be judged if they dont and vengence will be poured out on their m/asses for all eternity! :confused: Bit strange.
After all the same Bible says no one except Jesus has seen the one God even he says as much, later on in the same book; If the word of Jesus is true , who did Moses see up on the mountain?
So does this mean that the "Lord God" the vengeful one now called "Jehova" is a sub level part of the Original God "Elohim" the original creator of all that is.
That should get things interesting.
Oh and if you want an extended break from school ;D ask them why they changed Gods Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? :DSAy to them "You represent the Catholic Church dont you"?,so why did the Roman Church do that?
want some more?;D